Alternative proofs? read this!

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Parachute use to prevent death and major trauma related to gravitational
challenge: systematic review of randomised controlled trials.

BRILLIANT!! Hilarious too!! Thank you for pointing this very cerebral study out to us.

I noted this in the abstract.

Funding: None.

Competing interests: None declared.

Ethical approval: Not required.

I think I will pass on the double blind trial. Any takers? BL

"As the waves pass the rock, their shape is changed. There is a hologram of the rock within the wave
that comes forward and crashes on the beach, then there's a reflected wave back." Ralph Abraham

"I'd like to learn to windsurf." BL

COOL POST ,

True stuff , their biased trials mean zip anyway , facts speak louder .

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1: BMJ. 2003 Dec 20;327(7429):1459-61. Related Articles, Links

Parachute use to prevent death and major trauma related to gravitational challenge: systematic
review of randomised controlled trials.

Smith GC, Pell JP.

Department of Obstetrics and Gynaecology, Cambridge University, Cambridge CB2 2QQ. <Email
withheld>

OBJECTIVES: To determine whether parachutes are effective in preventing major trauma related to
gravitational challenge. DESIGN: Systematic review of randomised controlled trials. DATA SOURCES:
Medline, Web of Science,

Embase,

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and the Cochrane Library databases; appropriate internet sites and

citation

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lists. STUDY SELECTION: Studies showing the effects of using a parachute during free fall. MAIN
OUTCOME MEASURE: Death or major trauma, defined as an

injury

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severity score > 15. RESULTS: We were unable to identify any randomised controlled trials of
parachute intervention. CONCLUSIONS: As with many interventions intended to prevent ill health,
the effectiveness of parachutes has not been subjected to rigorous evaluation by using randomised

controlled

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trials. Advocates of evidence based medicine have criticised the adoption

of

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interventions evaluated by using only observational data. We think that everyone might benefit if
the most radical protagonists of evidence based medicine organised and participated in a double
blind, randomised, placebo controlled, crossover trial of the parachute.

Publication Types: Review Review, Academic

PMID: 14684649 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

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Subject: Re: Alternative proofs? read this!
From: "Bew" qw@nonamewhatsover
Date: 2/29/2004 9:52 PM Pacific Standard Time
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COOL POST ,

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True stuff , their biased trials mean zip anyway , facts speak louder .

OMG...perhaps you need a brain colonic!! hawki.....

Hahah excellente! Anth

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1: BMJ. 2003 Dec 20;327(7429):1459-61. Related Articles, Links

Parachute use to prevent death and major trauma related to gravitational challenge: systematic
review of randomised controlled trials.

Smith GC, Pell JP.

Department of Obstetrics and Gynaecology, Cambridge University, Cambridge CB2 2QQ. <Email
withheld>

OBJECTIVES: To determine whether parachutes are effective in preventing major trauma related to
gravitational challenge. DESIGN: Systematic review of randomised controlled trials. DATA SOURCES:
Medline, Web of Science,

Embase,

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and the Cochrane Library databases; appropriate internet sites and

citation

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lists. STUDY SELECTION: Studies showing the effects of using a parachute during free fall. MAIN
OUTCOME MEASURE: Death or major trauma, defined as an

injury

Quoted message said:

severity score > 15. RESULTS: We were unable to identify any randomised controlled trials of
parachute intervention. CONCLUSIONS: As with many interventions intended to prevent ill health,
the effectiveness of parachutes has not been subjected to rigorous evaluation by using randomised

controlled

Quoted message said:

trials. Advocates of evidence based medicine have criticised the adoption

of

Quoted message said:

interventions evaluated by using only observational data. We think that everyone might benefit if
the most radical protagonists of evidence based medicine organised and participated in a double
blind, randomised, placebo controlled, crossover trial of the parachute.

Publication Types: Review Review, Academic

PMID: 14684649 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

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Parachute use to prevent death and major trauma related to gravitational challenge: systematic
review of randomised controlled trials.

BRILLIANT!! Hilarious too!! Thank you for pointing this very cerebral

study

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out to us.

I noted this in the abstract.

Funding: None.

Competing interests: None declared.

Ethical approval: Not required.

I think I will pass on the double blind trial. Any takers?

Jan and Gymmy should volunteer. I could gladly spend a few hours training them and then let the
guess which one has the placebo parachute.

We could all invite them to drop in.

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BL

"As the waves pass the rock, their shape is changed. There is a hologram

of

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the rock within the wave that comes forward and crashes on the beach, then there's a reflected
wave back." Ralph Abraham

"I'd like to learn to windsurf." BL

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Subject: Re: Alternative proofs? read this! From: "Bew" qw@nonamewhatsover Date: 2/29/2004 9:52
PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: <[email hidden]>

COOL POST ,

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True stuff , their biased trials mean zip anyway , facts speak louder .

OMG...perhaps you need a brain colonic!! hawki.....

I told you that Alties were brain cleansed.

COOL POST ,

True stuff , their biased trials mean zip anyway , facts speak louder .

Maybe they would like to get into a debate on chemotherapy , or maybe HRT , or maybe how come so
many thousands of people die each year in the screwed up health system .

NAH , screw em I can't be bothered .

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x-no-archive: yes

1: BMJ. 2003 Dec 20;327(7429):1459-61. Related Articles, Links

Parachute use to prevent death and major trauma related to gravitational challenge: systematic
review of randomised controlled trials.

Smith GC, Pell JP.

Department of Obstetrics and Gynaecology, Cambridge University, Cambridge CB2 2QQ. <Email
withheld>

OBJECTIVES: To determine whether parachutes are effective in preventing major trauma related to
gravitational challenge. DESIGN: Systematic review of randomised controlled trials. DATA SOURCES:
Medline, Web of Science,

Embase,

Quoted message said:

and the Cochrane Library databases; appropriate internet sites and

citation

Quoted message said:

lists. STUDY SELECTION: Studies showing the effects of using a parachute during free fall. MAIN
OUTCOME MEASURE: Death or major trauma, defined as an

injury

Quoted message said:

severity score > 15. RESULTS: We were unable to identify any randomised controlled trials of
parachute intervention. CONCLUSIONS: As with many interventions intended to prevent ill health,
the effectiveness of parachutes has not been subjected to rigorous evaluation by using randomised

controlled

Quoted message said:

trials. Advocates of evidence based medicine have criticised the adoption

of

Quoted message said:

interventions evaluated by using only observational data. We think that everyone might benefit if
the most radical protagonists of evidence based medicine organised and participated in a double
blind, randomised, placebo controlled, crossover trial of the parachute.

Publication Types: Review Review, Academic

PMID: 14684649 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

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COOL POST ,

True stuff , their biased trials mean zip anyway , facts speak louder .

Maybe they would like to get into a debate on chemotherapy , or maybe HRT

,

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or maybe how come so many thousands of people die each year in the screwed up health system .

NAH , screw em I can't be bothered .

Yes, you have demonstrated that you cannot be bothered with intelligent disucssion and backing up
your blather with real proof.

Perhaps you would like to try an alternative parachute?

"Mark Probert-March 1, 2004" <Mark [email hidden]> wrote
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"Bew" <qw@nonamewhatsover> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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COOL POST ,

True stuff , their biased trials mean zip anyway , facts speak louder .

Maybe they would like to get into a debate on chemotherapy , or maybe

HRT

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,

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or maybe how come so many thousands of people die each year in the

screwed

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up health system .

NAH , screw em I can't be bothered .

Yes, you have demonstrated that you cannot be bothered with intelligent disucssion and backing up
your blather with real proof.

You bore me child .

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Perhaps you would like to try an alternative parachute?

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"Mark Probert-March 1, 2004" <Mark [email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Bew" <qw@nonamewhatsover> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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COOL POST ,

True stuff , their biased trials mean zip anyway , facts speak louder

.

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Maybe they would like to get into a debate on chemotherapy , or maybe

HRT

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,

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or maybe how come so many thousands of people die each year in the

screwed

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up health system .

NAH , screw em I can't be bothered .

Yes, you have demonstrated that you cannot be bothered with intelligent disucssion and backing
up your blather with real proof.

You bore me child .

Sorry, but I suspect that I am a bit older than you.

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Perhaps you would like to try an alternative parachute?

Why not try that? Just drop in sometime.

In article <[email hidden]>, "Bew" <qw@nonamewhatsover>

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"Mark Probert-March 1, 2004" <Mark [email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Bew" <qw@nonamewhatsover> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

COOL POST ,

True stuff , their biased trials mean zip anyway , facts speak louder .

Maybe they would like to get into a debate on chemotherapy , or maybe

HRT

Quoted message said:

,

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or maybe how come so many thousands of people die each year in the

screwed

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up health system .

NAH , screw em I can't be bothered .

Yes, you have demonstrated that you cannot be bothered with intelligent disucssion and backing
up your blather with real proof.

You bore me child .

That's nice, but it's still obvious that you can't produce any convincing evidence to support your
assertions regarding alt-med.

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