Alternative Med People

Sue in Texas has a problem. She obviously doesn't like traditional
medicine people (not to mention, lawyers, global corporations, insurance
companies, the Government, etc. etc.), so maybe it's time for you (Jan,
Dr. Ph.d, whoever) to step up to the plate & give her some concrete
ideas on how to cure her cancer since you're the experts. Where should
she go? What should she do? Now's the time to jump in.

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Date: 12/27/2003 8:47 PM Central Standard Time
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Sue in Texas has a problem. She obviously doesn't like traditional
medicine people (not to mention, lawyers, global corporations, insurance
companies, the Government, etc. etc.), so maybe it's time for you (Jan,
Dr. Ph.d, whoever) to step up to the plate & give her some concrete
ideas on how to cure her cancer since you're the experts.

Indeedy. Kathy, I cure cancer everyday, I'm an expert.

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Where should she go? What should she do? Now's the time to jump in.

Personally, I think it's time for you to jump out.

Jan

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Sue in Texas has a problem. She obviously doesn't like traditional
medicine people (not to mention, lawyers, global corporations, insurance
companies, the Government, etc. etc.), so maybe it's time for you (Jan,
Dr. Ph.d, whoever) to step up to the plate & give her some concrete
ideas on how to cure her cancer since you're the experts. Where should
she go? What should she do? Now's the time to jump in.

"traditional" medicine? What makes mainstream/ conventional/ scientific
medicine "traditional" as compared to the offerings of alternaitve medicine?
.. You are being suckered by an "alternative" medical word game, designed
to make conventional medicine look outdated and old hat, when from the
beginning the reliance upon science and its methods has set the pace in
terms of diagnostic ability, increasing understanding of illness, its
treatment, and the recruitment of technology in the service of medicine.

Ask yourself how hundreds-of- years old TCM, two- hundred- year old
homeopathy or a hundred year old chiropractic have advanced medicine.

Peter Moran

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Sue in Texas has a problem. She obviously doesn't like traditional
medicine people (not to mention, lawyers, global corporations, insurance
companies, the Government, etc. etc.), so maybe it's time for you (Jan,
Dr. Ph.d, whoever) to step up to the plate & give her some concrete
ideas on how to cure her cancer since you're the experts. Where should
she go? What should she do? Now's the time to jump in.

As Sue is in Texas, the obvious way to go would seem to be the
Burzynski route, but Jan agrees with me that after 8,000 patients
Burzynski has yet to claim a single cure. He is therefore such an
abject failure that he is probably best avoided. In any case, Sue
probably hasn't got the $5,000 needed to buy the Burzynski starter kit
(which he buys for about $300).

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Peter Bowditch
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The Green Light http://www.ratbags.com/greenlight
and The New Improved Quintessence of the Loon with added Vitamins and C-Q10 http://www.ratbags.com/loon
To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com

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Sue in Texas has a problem. She obviously doesn't like traditional
medicine people (not to mention, lawyers, global corporations, insurance
companies, the Government, etc. etc.), so maybe it's time for you (Jan,
Dr. Ph.d, whoever) to step up to the plate & give her some concrete
ideas on how to cure her cancer since you're the experts. Where should
she go? What should she do? Now's the time to jump in.

"traditional" medicine? What makes mainstream/ conventional/ scientific
medicine "traditional" as compared to the offerings of alternaitve medicine?
. You are being suckered by an "alternative" medical word game, designed
to make conventional medicine look outdated and old hat, when from the
beginning the reliance upon science and its methods has set the pace in
terms of diagnostic ability, increasing understanding of illness, its
treatment, and the recruitment of technology in the service of medicine.

Ask yourself how hundreds-of- years old TCM, two- hundred- year old
homeopathy or a hundred year old chiropractic have advanced medicine.

Really, Peter, I expected a bit more from you. TCM was the very first form of
literate medicine. Long before western doctors or medicine men were even
literate, all TCM apprentices & doctors had to read, write, and DOCUMENT their
patient's medical history & record the treatment method and results. Beyond
that, TCM is the first form of medicine to recognize that some diseases are
clearly genetic and that some diseases are contagious, spread by "fire-toxins"
from person to person. TCM also was the very first to recognize that lifestyle
(exercise, diet, drinking, smoking, occupational hazards, etc) also greatly
impact health.

Long before any western doctor could write his own name, TCM doctors were
keeping patient records and writing herbal formulas. Long before any western
doctor considered PMS to be anything other than a symptom of a bad attitude, it
was being successfully treated in China. Long before western psychology had
coined the term somatization disorder, it was already an accepted condition in
TCM.

The list goes on & on.

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Sue in Texas has a problem. She obviously doesn't like traditional
medicine people (not to mention, lawyers, global corporations, insurance
companies, the Government, etc. etc.), so maybe it's time for you (Jan,
Dr. Ph.d, whoever) to step up to the plate & give her some concrete
ideas on how to cure her cancer since you're the experts. Where should
she go? What should she do? Now's the time to jump in.

"traditional" medicine? What makes mainstream/ conventional/ scientific
medicine "traditional" as compared to the offerings of alternaitve

medicine?

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. You are being suckered by an "alternative" medical word game, designed
to make conventional medicine look outdated and old hat, when from the
beginning the reliance upon science and its methods has set the pace in
terms of diagnostic ability, increasing understanding of illness, its
treatment, and the recruitment of technology in the service of medicine.

Ask yourself how hundreds-of- years old TCM, two- hundred- year old
homeopathy or a hundred year old chiropractic have advanced medicine.

Really, Peter, I expected a bit more from you. TCM was the very first form

of

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literate medicine. Long before western doctors or medicine men were even
literate, all TCM apprentices & doctors had to read, write, and DOCUMENT

their

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patient's medical history & record the treatment method and results.

Beyond

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that, TCM is the first form of medicine to recognize that some diseases are
clearly genetic and that some diseases are contagious, spread by

"fire-toxins"

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from person to person. TCM also was the very first to recognize that

lifestyle

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(exercise, diet, drinking, smoking, occupational hazards, etc) also greatly
impact health.

Long before any western doctor could write his own name, TCM doctors were
keeping patient records and writing herbal formulas. Long before any

western

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doctor considered PMS to be anything other than a symptom of a bad

attitude, it

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was being successfully treated in China. Long before western psychology

had

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coined the term somatization disorder, it was already an accepted condition

in

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TCM.

The list goes on & on.

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Peter Moran

Why do proponents of TCM leave out the fact that a great deal of the
treatments use not herbs but animal products
such as Rhino horns, Tiger bones, Snake body parts (snake oil) ect . They
also like to leave out facts like the treatments of TCM were totally
ineffective for almost all maladies. Like western medicine that was
practiced hundreds of years ago was also ineffective. Where you got the idea
that western "Doctors" did not document well their treatments???
So called western writings go back thousands of years (like the Old
Testament) Torah ect. and spell out in detail treatments. Almost all were
like TCM totally ineffective.
JO

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Date: 12/28/2003 4:34 AM Central Standard Time
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Sue in Texas has a problem. She obviously doesn't like traditional
medicine people (not to mention, lawyers, global corporations, insurance
companies, the Government, etc. etc.), so maybe it's time for you (Jan,
Dr. Ph.d, whoever) to step up to the plate & give her some concrete
ideas on how to cure her cancer since you're the experts. Where should
she go? What should she do? Now's the time to jump in.

As Sue is in Texas, the obvious way to go would seem to be the
Burzynski route, but Jan agrees with me that after 8,000 patients
Burzynski has yet to claim a single cure. He is therefore such an
abject failure that he is probably best avoided.

One needs to be very careful reading Peter Bowditch's posts. First he states
Burzynski is a quack because he claims to cure cancer, AIDS and autoimmune
diseases.

He didn't ,of course, Peter made it up.

Then he states if he hasn't claimed a cure, he must be a failure.

Peter also overlooks these facts:

(see his success rate at the bottom)

He is a member in good standing of the American and World Medical Associations,
The American Association for Cancer Research, The Society for Neuroscience, The
Texas Medical Association, The Academy of Medical Ethics, The Society for

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Neuro-Oncology, and many others. Dr. Burzynski has privileges at the Bayou

City Medical Center in Houston.

Dr. Burzynski received his M.D. degree from the Medical Academy of Lublin,
Poland, in 1967, where he was first in his class. That same year, he identified

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naturally occurring peptides in the body which he concluded control the growth
of cancer. He subsequently earned his Ph.D. in biochemistry.

From 1970 to 1977, he served as a researcher and assistant professor at the
Baylor School of Medicine in Houston, Texas, where his research was sponsored
and partially funded by the National Cancer Institute. In May 1977 he founded
the Burzynski Clinic in Houston where he has treated over 8,000 patients. He
also serves as director of the Burzynski Research Institute, where he

continues

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to pursue scientific research on causes and treatments for cancer. Dr.
Burzynski, is the author and co-author of 182 scientific publications and is
the recipient of numerous prestigious awards. He currently holds 160 patents

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35 countries for his treatments and inventions, and he has been the subject of
many articles and interviews.

Other groups have replicated and expanded Dr. Burzynski’s work, including

theNational Cancer Institute, the Medical College of Georgia, the Imperial
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of London and the University of Kurume Medical School in Japan.

http://www.weeklyuniverse.com/2003/burzynski.htm

Antineoplaston's astonishing success rate vs. standard treatments are
starkest with brain tumors. Burzynski has about a 65% response rate for all
types of brain cancers, whereas chemo and radiation achieve five-year cures in
less than 1% of all cases. Chemotherapeutic agents rarely reach the brain
(because of the "blood-brain barrier"😉 whereas antineoplastons do!

Antineoplastons have also proven dramatically effective against such
cancers as lymphomas (Hodgkins and non-Hodgkins), renal cell (kidney), hepatic
(liver), and breast.

That's why Peter calls him a quack and a failure. It appears his suuccess rate
is 64% greater than chemo and radiation.

Does Peter care??

Is he really concerned about curing cancer??

Organized medicine WantS to be RIGHT and wants to maintain EGO, is greedy for
the money.

They have taken Burzynski to court, they have harassed him, and he was
vindicated.

Look at the time, money and aggravation spent in court that could be used for
further research.

This is EVIL!!

Jan

I suggest start counting after the leeches and the bleedings ...

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Ask yourself how hundreds-of- years old TCM, two- hundred- year old
homeopathy or a hundred year old chiropractic have advanced medicine.

Peter Moran

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Sue in Texas has a problem. She obviously doesn't like traditional
medicine people (not to mention, lawyers, global corporations,

insurance

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companies, the Government, etc. etc.), so maybe it's time for you (Jan,
Dr. Ph.d, whoever) to step up to the plate & give her some concrete
ideas on how to cure her cancer since you're the experts. Where should
she go? What should she do? Now's the time to jump in.

"traditional" medicine? What makes mainstream/ conventional/

scientific

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medicine "traditional" as compared to the offerings of alternaitve

medicine?

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. You are being suckered by an "alternative" medical word game,

designed

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to make conventional medicine look outdated and old hat, when from the
beginning the reliance upon science and its methods has set the pace in
terms of diagnostic ability, increasing understanding of illness, its
treatment, and the recruitment of technology in the service of medicine.

Ask yourself how hundreds-of- years old TCM, two- hundred- year old
homeopathy or a hundred year old chiropractic have advanced medicine.

Really, Peter, I expected a bit more from you. TCM was the very first

form of

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literate medicine. Long before western doctors or medicine men were even
literate, all TCM apprentices & doctors had to read, write, and DOCUMENT

their

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patient's medical history & record the treatment method and results.

Beyond

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that, TCM is the first form of medicine to recognize that some diseases

are

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clearly genetic and that some diseases are contagious, spread by

"fire-toxins"

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from person to person. TCM also was the very first to recognize that

lifestyle

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(exercise, diet, drinking, smoking, occupational hazards, etc) also

greatly

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impact health.

Long before any western doctor could write his own name, TCM doctors were
keeping patient records and writing herbal formulas.
Long before any western
doctor considered PMS to be anything other than a symptom of a bad

attitude, it

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was being successfully treated in China. Long before western psychology

had

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coined the term somatization disorder, it was already an accepted

condition in

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TCM.

No culture had anything remotely resembling scientific medicine before the
last hundred years or so, although there were elements of it in all
traditions, probably as notably in Arabic medicine as elsewhere in the last
two millenia (until recently).

Religious or superstitious beliefs and taboos probably played a greater role
than literacy in hampering medical progress in many cultures. They seem to
have been less of a problem in Christian and Islamic nations at a critical
time when advances in chemistry and physics were suggesting that the
inexplicable or mystical could be elucidated by appropriate observation and
experimentation. Chinese science was still rather isolated, and gave up
some of its own discoveries to the West without necessarily being leavened
itself by the interchanges that were occurring between many nations.

In old Chinese medicine pulse diagnosis and the dolls to show where it
hurts reflect taboos against physical examination at least of females.

I understand the Chinese also had a taboo against dissection of the human
body which among other things meant that the microscope could never play
the role it did in elucidating how the body worked in sickness and in
health. It was only when doctors started to "go and look", as they were
able to do in the Middle East and Wwest, that medical knowledge began to
bloom.

The inability of the precepts of TCM (and homeopathy, and other mystical
medical frameworks) to meld in with evolving medical knowledge is telling.

Peter Moran

This is all [censored], Jan. Burzynski IS a quack.

have a look at his web site

http://www.cancermed.com/index.htm

Show me where he offers any evidence that his treatment cures any form of
cancer, so as to justify its enormous cost. By definition that makes him
a quack. He has even admitted in a magazine interview that he doesn't know
how often his treatment works. After twenty five years of "research"? Come
on!!!

The only place you will find any data is on his supporter's web site, and
that is uninterpretable very short term follow-up claiming a 65% remision
rate with brain tumours already treated by other means.

What is his final cure rate with biopsy-proven, otherwise untreatable, brain
tumours? What is his cure rate with metastatic cancer? Why are cancer
patients invited to give him a great deal of money, but not entitled to know
these things? He claims to not have the funds to publish any research, but
by his own admission is taking in millions of dollars yearly.

Peter Moran

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Subject: Re: Alternative Med People
From: "Anth" [email hidden]
Date: 12/27/03 1:02 PM Eastern Standard Time
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(No one wants to tell her because it might not work and that's the crutch

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Can mainstream offer her extended life or a cure at the moment?
Anth

One must remember that the body is self healing and self regenerating. We

get

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a new body every 7 years. Whether that body is healthier or sicker than

the

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old one us totally up to us. It is like living in a brick house where

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are brick layers constantly removing old brick and brick layers constantly
replacing the missing bricks with new bricks.

If I had stage a resectable cancer with good prospects of a cure, I would
definately try to get it mainstream treated before trying unknowns.
If I had any working experience with alternatives ad they showed a better
effect that mainstream then I would go the alternatives.

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When it comes to cancer, if you survive the treatments of modern medicine

and

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still have cancer, you must admit that the oncologist failed. What makes

you

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think an alt. practitioner can succeed when given the living remains of

the

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oncologist's failure? It is very difficult to do. It is like

handicapping

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the alt. practitioner.

It's her life - she has to decide basically - it's up to her if she wants to
trust some quack treatment that might not work.

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What a person needs to do is go the alt. route first, and use the MD as a
monitor. The MD will have all the means of testing and monitoring the

cancer

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and your medical insurance will pay for that. If the alt route fails to

give

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the desired results, at least you will be in better condition mentally and
physically to survive what the oncologist will do to you in the name of
medicine. When you do it modern medicine first and the alt route second,

you

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have diminished your chances by a wide margin.

I disagree on this - (see above)
Whatever gives the best chance of working I would take.

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However, alt routes, if you choose the correct one and have a competent
adviser, do work. I had one client ( I am not allowed to have patients,

a

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copyrighted word of the medical monopoly ) who was diagnosed with an
untreatable brain tumor and lung cancer as well. The honest oncologist

told her

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that there was nothing he could do. She came to me as a last resort,

which is

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what 99.999% of people will do, because she was not ready to die in 3 to 6
months as she had been told.

After following my recommendations, she went back in for a brain scan a

month

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later. Much to her surprise and that of her oncologist, the brain tumor

was

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gone.

Cool - what treatments did she try?

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Yes alt treatments can work even when the oncologist's treatments fail,

but

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don't count it. Do you homework, choose the alt procedure you can believe
in, and go for it. Then, if you must, consider using what the oncologist

will

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offer as a "cure." There are no cancer cures, but if you survive, you may

live

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a few more years in great pain and discomfort and you may be minus a few

body

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parts.

Let me state that I did my doctoral research in cancer research, and I

know the

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area all too well.

DrC PhD.

Anth

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I see at other sites that Dr. B. was accepted into Phase II FDA trials
with his cancer treatment/prospective cure in 1996. Since we're now
going into 2004 & that was 8 years ago, what is the status? Are these
the clincal trials that supposedly cost $125,000?

At one stage he had all 72 of them up on his web site. It was the one
trial repeated 72 times, using the Replace All option in Microsoft
Word to make each new one. The one I remember best was a "cure" for
cancer of the cervix which suddenly started talking about ovaries in
mid-sentence.

Anybody who got worse was removed from the trials immediately, so only
"successes" remained. To be called a success, a cancer had to grow by
less that 100% in a month. Let me repeat that in another way. If
someone had a cancer which grew 50% in size in a month, it was
considered a success. Groups were aggregated into different "trials"
to keep the numbers up as people dropped out or died.

That is incorrect and implies that he removed those people, as I recall it
was in fact the NCI who removed those people from the trial.

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He called his treatments "clinical trials" because his lawyers had
found a loophole in the regulations. He could say that he was doing
research rather than treatment. I assume it was the same lawyers who
told him to never utter the word "cure".

The $125,000 case was a 14 year old girl. I found a web site set up by
a family friend trying to raise the money. Someone I know contacted
the site owner and he was horrified to find that the site was still
visible. The ISP who had donated the web space was supposed to have
removed the site after the girl died. We were not able to find out
whether she had survived for more than a month under Burzynski's
"care", thus being counted as a success under his trial criteria.

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and The New Improved Quintessence of the Loon with added Vitamins and

C-Q10 http://www.ratbags.com/loon

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Subject: Re: Alternative Med People
From: "Anth" [email hidden]
Date: 12/27/03 1:02 PM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

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(No one wants to tell her because it might not work and that's the crutch of
it)

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Can mainstream offer her extended life or a cure at the moment?
Anth

One must remember that the body is self healing and self regenerating. We get
a new body every 7 years. Whether that body is healthier or sicker than the
old one us totally up to us. It is like living in a brick house where there
are brick layers constantly removing old brick and brick layers constantly
replacing the missing bricks with new bricks.

When it comes to cancer, if you survive the treatments of modern medicine and
still have cancer, you must admit that the oncologist failed. What makes you
think an alt. practitioner can succeed when given the living remains of the
oncologist’s failure? It is very difficult to do. It is like handicapping
the alt. practitioner.

What a person needs to do is go the alt. route first, and use the MD as a
monitor. The MD will have all the means of testing and monitoring the cancer
and your medical insurance will pay for that. If the alt route fails to give
the desired results, at least you will be in better condition mentally and
physically to survive what the oncologist will do to you in the name of
medicine. When you do it modern medicine first and the alt route second, you
have diminished your chances by a wide margin.

However, alt routes, if you choose the correct one and have a competent
adviser, do work. I had one client ( I am not allowed to have patients, a
copyrighted word of the medical monopoly ) who was diagnosed with an
untreatable brain tumor and lung cancer as well. The honest oncologist told her
that there was nothing he could do. She came to me as a last resort, which is
what 99.999% of people will do, because she was not ready to die in 3 to 6
months as she had been told.

After following my recommendations, she went back in for a brain scan a month
later. Much to her surprise and that of her oncologist, the brain tumor was
gone.

Yes alt treatments can work even when the oncologist’s treatments fail, but
don’t count it. Do you homework, choose the alt procedure you can believe
in, and go for it. Then, if you must, consider using what the oncologist will
offer as a "cure." There are no cancer cures, but if you survive, you may live
a few more years in great pain and discomfort and you may be minus a few body
parts.

Let me state that I did my doctoral research in cancer research, and I know the
area all too well.

DrC PhD.

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Let me state that I did my doctoral research in cancer research, and I

know the

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area all too well.

DrC PhD.

Perhaps you can direct us to where your research is published? What kind of
cancer did you research? What was your hypothesis? What were your
conclusions? Since getting your doctorate, have you continued your career in
cancer research? What are you working on now? Are you keeping up on the
cutting edge work, such as cancer vaccines, and fringe work like using polio
viruses to treat brain tumors? Tell us all about it.

--Rich

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Subject: Re: Alternative Med People
From: "Anth" [email hidden]
Date: 12/27/03 1:02 PM Eastern Standard Time
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(No one wants to tell her because it might not work and that's the crutch of
it)

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Can mainstream offer her extended life or a cure at the moment?
Anth

One must remember that the body is self healing and self regenerating. We get
a new body every 7 years.

A meaningless claim. Some parts of the body renew every couple of
weeks, some every month or so, some much more slowly. Some of your
cells, such as most neurons, will be with you forever.

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When it comes to cancer, if you survive the treatments of modern medicine and
still have cancer, you must admit that the oncologist failed. What makes you
think an alt. practitioner can succeed when given the living remains of the
oncologist's failure? It is very difficult to do. It is like handicapping
the alt. practitioner.

But such a perfect excuse for the alt practitioner to justify any
failures: "It's because you went to the MDs first!" I mean, how
many patients will never see an MD?

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What a person needs to do is go the alt. route first, and use the MD
as a monitor. The MD will have all the means of testing and
monitoring the cancer and your medical insurance will pay for that.
If the alt route fails to give the desired results, at least you
will be in better condition mentally and physically to survive what
the oncologist will do to you in the name of medicine.

Not if you wait long enough -- when your alt treatment fails, your
cancer can be much farther along, and then you'll be much less likely
to survive no matter what.

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However, alt routes, if you choose the correct one and have a competent
adviser, do work.

Of course, if it doesn't work, it's all your fault, because you either
failed to find a competent advisor or you chose the wrong one.

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I had one client ( I am not allowed to have patients, a copyrighted
word of the medical monopoly )

Thank goodness for that. The trail of bodies an ignoramus like you
would leave behind is a frightening thing to contemplate.

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who was diagnosed with an untreatable brain tumor and lung cancer as
well. The honest oncologist told her that there was nothing he could
do. She came to me as a last resort, which is what 99.999% of people
will do, because she was not ready to die in 3 to 6 months as she had
been told.

After following my recommendations, she went back in for a brain scan a month
later. Much to her surprise and that of her oncologist, the brain tumor was
gone.

I notice you didn't mention the lung cancer.

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Then, if you must, consider using what the oncologist will offer as a
"cure." There are no cancer cures, but if you survive, you may live
a few more years in great pain and discomfort and you may be minus a
few body parts.

An unusually stupid claim, even for you, Chalupa Chuck. Someone who
gets a basal cell carcinoma removed isn't going to be cured? Is going
to live in great pain? Puh-leeze.

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Let me state that I did my doctoral research in cancer research, and
I know the area all too well.

Let me state that I absolutely don't believe you.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

Anth said:

(No one wants to tell her because it might not work and that's the crutch of
it)

For information try googling :-
Kelley's One Answer To Cancer
Dr Gonzalez cancer.
Trophoblast thesis of cancer.

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Can mainstream offer her extended life or a cure at the moment?

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Anth

That is THE criminally misleading question !
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Any idiot can offer anything. But can he REALLY do what he promised !?
Can he KEEP his promises !?

In a case I just work on a naturopath company claims bettering of
symptoms of more than 50 percent with cancer. Any proof ? No. Never.

Regards,

Aribert Deckers
--
World Conference
"Health Care Systems: Public and Private Management"

http://www.ariplex.com/ama/ama_p0.htm

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Subject: Re: Alternative Med People
From: "Peter Moran" [email hidden]
Date: 12/28/2003 3:56 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:
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This is all [censored], Jan. Burzynski IS a quack.

Typical from you.

<snip>

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The only place you will find any data is on his supporter's web site, and
that is uninterpretable very short term follow-up claiming a 65% remision
rate with brain tumours already treated by other means.

Five year follow up. Those other means have a 1% rate.

People like you calling him a quack are the same as those who wnt after him. He
was vindicated.

If he cured cancer before your very eyes, you wouldn't believe it, sadly that
is how you were trained.

http://www.forhealthfreedom.org/Publications/wsj-970623.html

http://www.cancermed.com/drburzynski.htm

MEET DR. BURZYNSKI

Stanislaw R. Burzynski, M.D., Ph.D., internationally recognized physician and
scientist, has been treating patients with terminal cancer for over 25 years.
He is a member in good standing of the American and World Medical Associations,
The American Association for Cancer Research, The Society for Neuroscience, The
Texas Medical Association, The Academy of Medical Ethics, The Society for
Neuro-Oncology, and many others. Dr. Burzynski has privileges at the Bayou City
Medical Center in Houston.

Dr. Burzynski received his M.D. degree from the Medical Academy of Lublin,
Poland, in 1967, where he was first in his class. That same year, he identified
naturally occurring peptides in the body which he concluded control the growth
of cancer. He subsequently earned his Ph.D. in biochemistry.

From 1970 to 1977, he served as a researcher and assistant professor at the
Baylor School of Medicine in Houston, Texas, where his research was sponsored
and partially funded by the National Cancer Institute. In May 1977 he founded
the Burzynski Clinic in Houston where he has treated over 8,000 patients. He
also serves as director of the Burzynski Research Institute, where he continues
to pursue scientific research on causes and treatments for cancer. Dr.
Burzynski, is the author and co-author of 182 scientific publications and is
the recipient of numerous prestigious awards. He currently holds 160 patents in
35 countries for his treatments and inventions, and he has been the subject of
many articles and interviews.

Other groups have replicated and expanded Dr. Burzynski’s work, including the
National Cancer Institute, the Medical College of Georgia, the Imperial College
of London and the University of Kurume Medical School in Japan.

Dr. Burzynski has helped many people and some of them have formed a "Patient
Group Website" on the internet. This site provides information for prospective
patients, their families and friends. The patient group website can be found at
www.burzynskipatientgroup.org . It is maintained and operated independently by
that group.

Jan

(Jan) said:

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Subject: Re: Alternative Med People
From: Peter Bowditch [email hidden]
Date: 12/28/2003 4:34 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

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Sue in Texas has a problem. She obviously doesn't like traditional
medicine people (not to mention, lawyers, global corporations, insurance
companies, the Government, etc. etc.), so maybe it's time for you (Jan,
Dr. Ph.d, whoever) to step up to the plate & give her some concrete
ideas on how to cure her cancer since you're the experts. Where should
she go? What should she do? Now's the time to jump in.

As Sue is in Texas, the obvious way to go would seem to be the
Burzynski route, but Jan agrees with me that after 8,000 patients
Burzynski has yet to claim a single cure. He is therefore such an
abject failure that he is probably best avoided.

One needs to be very careful reading Peter Bowditch's posts. First he states
Burzynski is a quack because he claims to cure cancer, AIDS and autoimmune
diseases.

To those who don't know Jan, she is what is known as an absolute
concrete literalist. Unless Burzynski actually used the specific word
"cure", to her he has not claimed the ability cure anything. If he
says that he can make things all better, that is not using the word
"cure" and so he is not claiming a cure. This literalist nonsense
reached an apogee when Jan said that a book with the title "The Cure
for All Cancers" was not a claim to have a cure for cancer because it
did not contain the precise phrase "I can cure cancer". Jan will now
say that this thread is not about Hulda Clark. This is correct, and it
should not be because Dr Burzynski's research shows that Clark's ideas
are ridiculous.

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He didn't ,of course, Peter made it up.

8,000 patients and not one claimed cure. Sounds like failure to me.

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Then he states if he hasn't claimed a cure, he must be a failure.

Has he cured anyone? After 8,000 attempts without a cure, it is
certainly looking like failure.

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Peter also overlooks these facts:

(see his success rate at the bottom)

He is a member in good standing of the American and World Medical Associations,
The American Association for Cancer Research, The Society for Neuroscience, The
Texas Medical Association, The Academy of Medical Ethics, The Society for

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Neuro-Oncology, and many others. Dr. Burzynski has privileges at the Bayou

City Medical Center in Houston.

Jan hates the AMA as it is a creation of Satan. (She will call me a
liar for saying that because she has never used the exact words "The
AMA is a creation of Satan".) As Dr Burzynski is a member in good
standing of the AMA, I assume he supports the AMA's position on, for
example, the safety of certain preservatives in vaccines.

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Dr. Burzynski received his M.D. degree from the Medical Academy of Lublin,
Poland, in 1967, where he was first in his class. That same year, he identified

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naturally occurring peptides in the body which he concluded control the growth
of cancer. He subsequently earned his Ph.D. in biochemistry.

From 1970 to 1977, he served as a researcher and assistant professor at the
Baylor School of Medicine in Houston, Texas, where his research was sponsored
and partially funded by the National Cancer Institute. In May 1977 he founded
the Burzynski Clinic in Houston where he has treated over 8,000 patients. He
also serves as director of the Burzynski Research Institute, where he

continues

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to pursue scientific research on causes and treatments for cancer. Dr.
Burzynski, is the author and co-author of 182 scientific publications and is
the recipient of numerous prestigious awards. He currently holds 160 patents

in

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35 countries for his treatments and inventions, and he has been the subject of
many articles and interviews.

I didn't overlook the fact that someone who claims to have "182
scientific publications" is only mentioned 9 times in Medline. Perhaps
his other 173 publications were in the paleontology literature.

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Other groups have replicated and expanded Dr. Burzynski’s work, including

theNational Cancer Institute, the Medical College of Georgia, the Imperial
College

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of London and the University of Kurume Medical School in Japan.

http://www.weeklyuniverse.com/2003/burzynski.htm

Antineoplaston's astonishing success rate vs. standard treatments are
starkest with brain tumors. Burzynski has about a 65% response rate for all
types of brain cancers, whereas chemo and radiation achieve five-year cures in
less than 1% of all cases. Chemotherapeutic agents rarely reach the brain
(because of the "blood-brain barrier"😉 whereas antineoplastons do!

Antineoplastons have also proven dramatically effective against such
cancers as lymphomas (Hodgkins and non-Hodgkins), renal cell (kidney), hepatic
(liver), and breast.

Citations, please.

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That's why Peter calls him a quack and a failure. It appears his suuccess rate
is 64% greater than chemo and radiation.

His success rate is 64% greater than chemotherapy and radiation, but
in 8,000 patients he has never cured anyone. There appears to be some
inconsistency here.

Actually, if you read carefully he is claiming a 6,500% greater
success rate than chemotherapy or radiation. Surely there must be a
cure there somewhere. Oh, I forgot. He doesn't says "cure" so he can't
be doing it. What a pathetic failure. And he only charges $125,000 to
get into a "clinical trial". He could charge more if he had any
success.

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Does Peter care??

Yes, which is why I don't like to see desperate people robbed by
charlatans like Burzynski.

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Is he really concerned about curing cancer??

Yes, which is why I don't like to see desperate people robbed by
charlatans like Burzynski.

I know some people who have been cured of cancer. Their doctors are
quite happy to claim that they have cured people of cancer. Why would
someone who had treated 8,000 patients with techniques which are
6,500% better than conventional methods be so shy that he doesn't
claim to have cured anyone? Unless he hasn't cured anyone, of course.

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Organized medicine WantS to be RIGHT and wants to maintain EGO, is greedy for
the money.

Not that Burzynski would want to charge the parents of a 14 year old
girl with cancer $125,000 to get into his program. Not that Burzynski
would sell some plastic tubes which cost him $300 for $5,000. No, that
would be being greedy for the money.

And why wouldn't medicine want to be right? Is being wrong better?

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They have taken Burzynski to court, they have harassed him, and he was
vindicated.

Look at the time, money and aggravation spent in court that could be used for
further research.

Look at the time, money and aggravation that could have been spent
getting proper treatment, rather than spending time with someone who
can't even claim one success after 8,000 patients.

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This is EVIL!!

It certainly is. Theft, fraud and raising false hopes in desperate
people to assist the theft and fraud are evil. I'm glad we can agree
on something.

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Jan

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I see at other sites that Dr. B. was accepted into Phase II FDA trials
with his cancer treatment/prospective cure in 1996. Since we're now
going into 2004 & that was 8 years ago, what is the status? Are these
the clincal trials that supposedly cost $125,000?