Almost more than 2xbodyweight DL :)

I know. Needed another 4 inches or so to lock it out... stupid grip
was giving out on me again 🙁 I've ran into grip problems for quite
some time. Back when I was in the lower 200's.

On 27 Aug 2005 08:25:58 -0700, [email hidden] wrote in
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Pulled it off the floor about a foot but had to set it down or break my
floor. Next week should be good 🙂 Especially if I drop back 5lbs and
my weight returns to what it was last week (173.2).

355lbs @ 175.2 bodyweight = 202.6%

Nice effort but close doesn't count.

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John Hanson said:

On 27 Aug 2005 08:56:44 -0700, [email hidden] wrote in
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I know. Needed another 4 inches or so to lock it out... stupid grip
was giving out on me again 🙁 I've ran into grip problems for quite
some time. Back when I was in the lower 200's.

Really. Grip problems in the deadlift are pretty rare unless you are
an elite lifter moving huge amounts of weight. Even then it's not
very common.

If memory serves me correctly, my grip wasn't very good when I started
deadlifting again about 5 years ago. But, I never specifically
trained my grip and it isn't a problem for me nor is it a problem for
any of the lifters I train with. Your grip will get better just
through the course of normal training.

I'm wondering if he is using a mixed grip with chalk? Cuz otherwise the
sweat and the bar turning in your hands can cause it to slip.

--
Keith

On 27 Aug 2005 08:56:44 -0700, [email hidden] wrote in
misc.fitness.weights:

Quoted message said:

I know. Needed another 4 inches or so to lock it out... stupid grip
was giving out on me again 🙁 I've ran into grip problems for quite
some time. Back when I was in the lower 200's.

Really. Grip problems in the deadlift are pretty rare unless you are
an elite lifter moving huge amounts of weight. Even then it's not
very common.

If memory serves me correctly, my grip wasn't very good when I started
deadlifting again about 5 years ago. But, I never specifically
trained my grip and it isn't a problem for me nor is it a problem for
any of the lifters I train with. Your grip will get better just
through the course of normal training.

Not necessary. Maybe the chalk. Its with a DL/Trap bar.

Got 12x245 about 5 minutes after that. With pausing to reposition my
hands twice.

I'm not that much off with a straight bar. Maybe 5lbs with reverse
grip. Its just easier to maintain my form with the trap bar.

On 27 Aug 2005 09:29:08 -0700, [email hidden] wrote in
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Not necessary. Maybe the chalk. Its with a DL/Trap bar.

Trap bars don't count.

ewitte wrote:

Got to agree with John. Just getting the weight off the floor is
very almost.

Quoted message said:

I know. Needed another 4 inches or so to lock it out... stupid grip
was giving out on me again 🙁 I've ran into grip problems for quite
some time. Back when I was in the lower 200's.

Make sure you aren't over-squeezing the bar. No need to choke it,
just hold it. Although the thumbs should be squeezed down on
the first finger or three.

It's also best to let the bar sit down in the fingers, which
may not be possible with smaller hands/short fingers.

In article <[email hidden]>,

Quoted message said:

Pulled it off the floor about a foot but had to set it down or break my
floor. Next week should be good 🙂 Especially if I drop back 5lbs and
my weight returns to what it was last week (173.2).

355lbs @ 175.2 bodyweight = 202.6%

Cool! ;-)
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

In article <[email hidden]>,

Quoted message said:

I'm not that much off with a straight bar. Maybe 5lbs with reverse
grip. Its just easier to maintain my form with the trap bar.

Try a mixed grip.
It makes all the difference in the WORLD with a straight bar.
I can't lift near as much on DL's with a regular grip.
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

ewitte said:

John Hanson wrote:

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>Pulled it off the floor about a foot but had to set it down or break my
>>floor. Next week should be good 🙂 Especially if I drop back 5lbs and
>>my weight returns to what it was last week (173.2).
>>
>>355lbs @ 175.2 bodyweight = 202.6%

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>Nice effort but close doesn't count.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I know. Needed another 4 inches or so to lock it out... stupid grip
was giving out on me again 🙁 I've ran into grip problems for quite
some time. Back when I was in the lower 200's.

Quoted message said:

Really. Grip problems in the deadlift are pretty rare unless you are
an elite lifter moving huge amounts of weight. Even then it's not
very common.

Quoted message said:

Not necessary. Maybe the chalk. Its with a DL/Trap bar.

That's a very different lift. You should have mentioned that.

A deadlift bar is speciality bar used in some PL conests. The 'bar' part
is thinner and the knurling is better/sharper.

Jeff Finlayson said:

ewitte wrote:

Got to agree with John. Just getting the weight off the floor is
very almost.

People vary, if I get the bar 4 inches off the floor then I'll finish the
lift.

Peter

On Sat, 27 Aug 2005 19:58:33 +0100, "Peter Allen"
<[email hidden]> wrote in misc.fitness.weights:

Quoted message said:

Jeff Finlayson said:

ewitte wrote:

Got to agree with John. Just getting the weight off the floor is
very almost.

People vary, if I get the bar 4 inches off the floor then I'll finish the
lift.

As long as you finish it, it counts. My buddy Keith always dies at
lockout. I'm talking all he needs to do is bring his knees in 1/2
inch but he'll fail right there...3 reds, no lift:-(

John Hanson said:

On Sat, 27 Aug 2005 19:58:33 +0100, "Peter Allen"
<[email hidden]> wrote in misc.fitness.weights:

Quoted message said:

Jeff Finlayson said:

ewitte wrote:

Got to agree with John. Just getting the weight off the floor is
very almost.

People vary, if I get the bar 4 inches off the floor then I'll
finish the lift.

As long as you finish it, it counts. My buddy Keith always dies at
lockout. I'm talking all he needs to do is bring his knees in 1/2
inch but he'll fail right there...3 reds, no lift:-(

I've never really been able to see how you can fail there when you were
strong enough to get it up that far already. Probably just that he lifts a
lot more than me and things are different, I suppose.

Peter

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On 27 Aug 2005 08:25:58 -0700, [email hidden] wrote in
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Pulled it off the floor about a foot but had to set it down or break my
floor. Next week should be good 🙂 Especially if I drop back 5lbs and
my weight returns to what it was last week (173.2).

355lbs @ 175.2 bodyweight = 202.6%

Nice effort but close doesn't count.

Do you have to be such a hard-ass all the time? How about "time effort,
you'll get it next time?"

As to grip, my DL grip has improved by doing other things - like a lot of
folks, I don't DL all that much, and I find I can train my grip a lot more
than I want to DL. For me, the grip work is kettlebell swings and snatches.
I've gotten over 2x bodyweight with an overhand grip of late and that's a
relatively recent development for me.

Anyway, to the OP, you might try some additional grip work, even if it's
just taking a weight you know you can pull and holding it at lockout for a
while.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com

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On 27 Aug 2005 08:25:58 -0700, [email hidden] wrote in
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Pulled it off the floor about a foot but had to set it down or break my
floor. Next week should be good 🙂 Especially if I drop back 5lbs and
my weight returns to what it was last week (173.2).

355lbs @ 175.2 bodyweight = 202.6%

Nice effort but close doesn't count.

Do you have to be such a hard-ass all the time? How about "time effort,
you'll get it next time?"

I'm even harder on myself. How about, "if you didn't get it, don't
even mention it?" That's like the kid in elementary school who
answers 5 to "what's 2+2?". The fact of the matter is the kid didn't
get it right and he shouldn't be praised for getting it wrong. It
creates a nation of little softies.

Quoted message said:

As to grip, my DL grip has improved by doing other things - like a lot of
folks, I don't DL all that much, and I find I can train my grip a lot more
than I want to DL. For me, the grip work is kettlebell swings and snatches.
I've gotten over 2x bodyweight with an overhand grip of late and that's a
relatively recent development for me.

Anyway, to the OP, you might try some additional grip work, even if it's
just taking a weight you know you can pull and holding it at lockout for a
while.

Or just carry on with his training as the grip strength will come.

John Hanson said:

On Sat, 27 Aug 2005 19:58:33 +0100, "Peter Allen"
<[email hidden]> wrote in misc.fitness.weights:

Quoted message said:

Jeff Finlayson said:

ewitte wrote:

Got to agree with John. Just getting the weight off the floor is
very almost.

People vary, if I get the bar 4 inches off the floor then I'll finish the
lift.

As long as you finish it, it counts. My buddy Keith always dies at
lockout. I'm talking all he needs to do is bring his knees in 1/2
inch but he'll fail right there...3 reds, no lift:-(

I've known a few lifters like that. The bar flies off of the ground
and dies just before lockout. They pull and pull (and sometimes hitch)
and they cannot get that last inch. They all have short torsos and
long legs so likely it is a leverage thing. Although maybe it is not a
case of weak leverage at the top but strong leverage at the bottom
because these guys I know are all good deadlifters and they move huge
weights, they just cannot seem to finish the huger ones.

I imagine that this would be a non-issue with a trap bar but I could be
wrong.

On 27 Aug 2005 14:45:31 -0700, "zxcv" <[email hidden]> wrote in
misc.fitness.weights:

Quoted message said:

John Hanson said:

On Sat, 27 Aug 2005 19:58:33 +0100, "Peter Allen"
<[email hidden]> wrote in misc.fitness.weights:

Quoted message said:

Jeff Finlayson wrote:
> ewitte wrote:
>
> Got to agree with John. Just getting the weight off the floor is
> very almost.

People vary, if I get the bar 4 inches off the floor then I'll finish the
lift.

As long as you finish it, it counts. My buddy Keith always dies at
lockout. I'm talking all he needs to do is bring his knees in 1/2
inch but he'll fail right there...3 reds, no lift:-(

I've known a few lifters like that. The bar flies off of the ground
and dies just before lockout. They pull and pull (and sometimes hitch)
and they cannot get that last inch. They all have short torsos and
long legs so likely it is a leverage thing. Although maybe it is not a
case of weak leverage at the top but strong leverage at the bottom
because these guys I know are all good deadlifters and they move huge
weights, they just cannot seem to finish the huger ones.

I imagine that this would be a non-issue with a trap bar but I could be
wrong.

Keith has a long torso and short legs. He also has very short arms.