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  1. Several years ago, I was diagnosed with possible Celiac disease, as a
    cause of my perceived reactions to wheat (mostly intestinal, lower
    abdominal pain, etc.) I never bought into it completely, since, as I
    explained to the doc, I could eat rye, oats, and even spelt with no
    problem. I did cut wheat out of my diet almost completely, with much
    improvement, but would periodically experience similar symptoms, even
    when I knew my diet had been clean.

    I eventually came to realize that I was much more sensitive to corn
    than to wheat, and that was what was sneaking in on me. It appears
    that it is only the starch (and perhaps the proteins that come with
    it) that bothers me. Corn sugar, syrup, oil, are all fine, but
    milligrams of corn starch, and I know it!

    Besides the fact that corn starch creeps into so many products and
    dishes it's tough to avoid, I still love - and miss - the taste and
    texture of many corn dishes. One in particular is Polenta, having
    grown up Italian...

    Can anyone suggest another grain that I could cook up in a similar
    fashion? Suitably seasoned and served, maybe almost acceptable as a
    substitute? Qinoa? Millet? Teff? ???

    Dave

  2. "Dave" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Several years ago, I was diagnosed with possible Celiac disease, as a
    cause of my perceived reactions to wheat (mostly intestinal, lower
    abdominal pain, etc.) I never bought into it completely, since, as I
    explained to the doc, I could eat rye, oats, and even spelt with no
    problem. I did cut wheat out of my diet almost completely, with much
    improvement, but would periodically experience similar symptoms, even
    when I knew my diet had been clean.

    I eventually came to realize that I was much more sensitive to corn
    than to wheat, and that was what was sneaking in on me. It appears
    that it is only the starch (and perhaps the proteins that come with
    it) that bothers me. Corn sugar, syrup, oil, are all fine, but
    milligrams of corn starch, and I know it!

    Besides the fact that corn starch creeps into so many products and
    dishes it's tough to avoid, I still love - and miss - the taste and
    texture of many corn dishes. One in particular is Polenta, having
    grown up Italian...

    Can anyone suggest another grain that I could cook up in a similar
    fashion? Suitably seasoned and served, maybe almost acceptable as a
    substitute? Qinoa? Millet? Teff? ???

    Dave

    Can you eat rice; brown rice?
    So simple. Perhaps you mentioned it, but I missed it.
    Dee Dee

  3. Dee Dee said:

    "Dave" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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    Quoted message said:

    Several years ago, I was diagnosed with possible Celiac disease, as a
    cause of my perceived reactions to wheat (mostly intestinal, lower
    abdominal pain, etc.) I never bought into it completely, since, as I
    explained to the doc, I could eat rye, oats, and even spelt with no
    problem. I did cut wheat out of my diet almost completely, with much
    improvement, but would periodically experience similar symptoms, even
    when I knew my diet had been clean.

    Quoted message said:

    I eventually came to realize that I was much more sensitive to corn
    than to wheat, and that was what was sneaking in on me. It appears
    that it is only the starch (and perhaps the proteins that come with
    it) that bothers me. Corn sugar, syrup, oil, are all fine, but
    milligrams of corn starch, and I know it!

    Quoted message said:

    Besides the fact that corn starch creeps into so many products and
    dishes it's tough to avoid, I still love - and miss - the taste and
    texture of many corn dishes. One in particular is Polenta, having
    grown up Italian...

    Quoted message said:

    Can anyone suggest another grain that I could cook up in a similar
    fashion? Suitably seasoned and served, maybe almost acceptable as a
    substitute? Qinoa? Millet? Teff? ???

    Quoted message said:

    Dave

    Can you eat rice; brown rice?
    So simple. Perhaps you mentioned it, but I missed it.
    Dee Dee

    Yes, rice is fine - thank God!
    How about cracked rice, either cereal or the Vietnamese rice porridge?
    I could make that up with chicken broth (about 1 in 5 varieties has no
    corn or "modified food starch"!)

    Dave

  4. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Dave said:
    Dee Dee said:

    "Dave" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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    Quoted message said:

    Several years ago, I was diagnosed with possible Celiac disease, as a
    cause of my perceived reactions to wheat (mostly intestinal, lower
    abdominal pain, etc.) I never bought into it completely, since, as I
    explained to the doc, I could eat rye, oats, and even spelt with no
    problem. I did cut wheat out of my diet almost completely, with much
    improvement, but would periodically experience similar symptoms, even
    when I knew my diet had been clean.

    That's pretty much what happened to me. I was never diagnosed Coeliac,
    but my doctor's attitude was "if eating wheat makes you sick, don't eat
    it". So I don't. And I'm much, much healthier than I was.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I eventually came to realize that I was much more sensitive to corn
    than to wheat, and that was what was sneaking in on me. It appears
    that it is only the starch (and perhaps the proteins that come with
    it) that bothers me. Corn sugar, syrup, oil, are all fine, but
    milligrams of corn starch, and I know it!

    🙁

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Besides the fact that corn starch creeps into so many products and
    dishes it's tough to avoid, I still love - and miss - the taste and
    texture of many corn dishes. One in particular is Polenta, having
    grown up Italian...

    Quoted message said:

    Can anyone suggest another grain that I could cook up in a similar
    fashion? Suitably seasoned and served, maybe almost acceptable as a
    substitute? Qinoa? Millet? Teff? ???

    Quoted message said:

    Dave

    Can you eat rice; brown rice?
    So simple. Perhaps you mentioned it, but I missed it.
    Dee Dee

    Yes, rice is fine - thank God!
    How about cracked rice, either cereal or the Vietnamese rice porridge?
    I could make that up with chicken broth (about 1 in 5 varieties has no
    corn or "modified food starch"!)

    Home-made chicken broth is easy to make corn-free. 🙂

    To the OP, quinoa might be just what you're after.

    Miche

    --
    In the monastery office --
    Before enlightenment: fetch mail, shuffle paper
    After enlightenment: fetch mail, shuffle paper

  5. "Dave" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Several years ago, I was diagnosed with possible Celiac disease, as a
    cause of my perceived reactions to wheat (mostly intestinal, lower
    abdominal pain, etc.) I never bought into it completely, since, as I
    explained to the doc, I could eat rye, oats, and even spelt with no
    problem. I did cut wheat out of my diet almost completely, with much
    improvement, but would periodically experience similar symptoms, even
    when I knew my diet had been clean.


    I hope you know that there is a lot more to gluten than just wheat. Rye,
    spelt and barley all contain gluten. You can buy gluten free oats. All
    other oats may or may not be okay. The issue there as I understand it is
    cross contamination in the way the oats are grown, stored and transported.

    Quoted message said:

    I eventually came to realize that I was much more sensitive to corn
    than to wheat, and that was what was sneaking in on me. It appears
    that it is only the starch (and perhaps the proteins that come with
    it) that bothers me. Corn sugar, syrup, oil, are all fine, but
    milligrams of corn starch, and I know it!

    Corn is in everything. But I wonder why only the starch would bother you?
    That doesn't make sense.

    Quoted message said:


    Besides the fact that corn starch creeps into so many products and
    dishes it's tough to avoid, I still love - and miss - the taste and
    texture of many corn dishes. One in particular is Polenta, having
    grown up Italian...

    Can anyone suggest another grain that I could cook up in a similar
    fashion? Suitably seasoned and served, maybe almost acceptable as a
    substitute? Qinoa? Millet? Teff? ???

    The only one of those I've tried is quinoa. I like it. Tastes rather like
    rice to me. Some needs to be rinsed after cooking or it can be bitter. The
    brand I buy says it requires no rinsing. I prepare it like I would a pilaf
    with some cooked vegetables added.

  6. "Dee Dee" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Can you eat rice; brown rice?
    So simple. Perhaps you mentioned it, but I missed it.

    Italians can be funny with rice. My in-laws are Italian and rice was not
    commonly served in the part of Italy they were from. My FIL wouldn't touch
    the stuff for that reason. MIL is less picky.

  7. "Julie Bove" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "Dee Dee" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Can you eat rice; brown rice?
    So simple. Perhaps you mentioned it, but I missed it.

    Italians can be funny with rice. My in-laws are Italian and rice was not
    commonly served in the part of Italy they were from. My FIL wouldn't
    touch the stuff for that reason. MIL is less picky.

    Ah, yes. Risotto - I'm going to have to perfect this for myself.

    I just received in the mail today, "Risotto" by Judith Barrett, and
    wondering what broths they use for making risotto.

    Basic: veal and chicken backs and necks
    Chicken: whole or parts
    Vegetable: veggies
    Fish: 1 fish frame (scale and head) I wonder what they mean by this: frame,
    then they put in parenthesis,scale and head.??

    Dee Dee

  8. Dave said:


    Several years ago, I was diagnosed with possible Celiac disease, as a
    cause of my perceived reactions to wheat (mostly intestinal, lower
    abdominal pain, etc.) I never bought into it completely, since, as I
    explained to the doc, I could eat rye, oats, and even spelt with no
    problem. I did cut wheat out of my diet almost completely, with much
    improvement, but would periodically experience similar symptoms, even
    when I knew my diet had been clean.

    I eventually came to realize that I was much more sensitive to corn
    than to wheat, and that was what was sneaking in on me. It appears
    that it is only the starch (and perhaps the proteins that come with
    it) that bothers me. Corn sugar, syrup, oil, are all fine, but
    milligrams of corn starch, and I know it!

    Besides the fact that corn starch creeps into so many products and
    dishes it's tough to avoid, I still love - and miss - the taste and
    texture of many corn dishes. One in particular is Polenta, having
    grown up Italian...

    Can anyone suggest another grain that I could cook up in a similar
    fashion? Suitably seasoned and served, maybe almost acceptable as a
    substitute? Qinoa? Millet? Teff? ???

    Dave

    Barley, rye and oats can also be served up like polenta.

    For thickening you can use arrowroot.

  9. "Arri London" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Barley, rye and oats can also be served up like polenta.

    All contain gluten unless you buy gluten free oats.

    Quoted message said:


    For thickening you can use arrowroot.

    I think sweet rice flour works better.

  10. "Dave" <[email hidden]> ha scritto nel messaggio
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    .. One in particular is Polenta, having

    Quoted message said:

    grown up Italian...

    Can anyone suggest another grain that I could cook up in a similar
    fashion? Suitably seasoned and served, maybe almost acceptable as a
    substitute? Qinoa? Millet? Teff? ???

    Dave

    Before there was corn, there was polenta of wheat and chestnuts. Try
    coarsely ground semolina or spelt or use chestnut flour.

    --
    http://www.judithgreenwood.com

  11. "Giusi" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    "Dave" <[email hidden]> ha scritto nel messaggio
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    . One in particular is Polenta, having

    Quoted message said:

    grown up Italian...

    Can anyone suggest another grain that I could cook up in a similar
    fashion? Suitably seasoned and served, maybe almost acceptable as a
    substitute? Qinoa? Millet? Teff? ???

    Dave

    Before there was corn, there was polenta of wheat and chestnuts. Try
    coarsely ground semolina or spelt or use chestnut flour.

    --
    http://www.judithgreenwood.com

    noun: milled product of durum wheat (or other hard wheat) used in pasta
    Dee Dee

  12. "Dee Dee" <[email hidden]> ha scritto nel messaggio
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    Quoted message said:


    "Giusi" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    "Dave" <[email hidden]> ha scritto nel messaggio
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    . One in particular is Polenta, having

    Quoted message said:

    grown up Italian...

    Can anyone suggest another grain that I could cook up in a similar
    fashion? Suitably seasoned and served, maybe almost acceptable as a
    substitute? Qinoa? Millet? Teff? ???

    Dave

    Before there was corn, there was polenta of wheat and chestnuts. Try
    coarsely ground semolina or spelt or use chestnut flour.

    --
    http://www.judithgreenwood.com

    noun: milled product of durum wheat (or other hard wheat) used in pasta
    Dee Dee

    That's an American definition. Semolina here is a coarse grind and can be
    various. You can buy it in the US and I have in the past. Ordinary grocery
    store, I'm sure.

  13. On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 15:33:35 GMT, "Julie Bove" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:


    "Arri London" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Barley, rye and oats can also be served up like polenta.

    All contain gluten unless you buy gluten free oats.

    But the OP said that he can eat all of the above with no
    ill-effects... he said he MIGHT be celiac, not he knew he WAS. While
    they have gluten, they're not a problem for him.

    To the OP, if what causes you distress but the other grains don't, you
    might be sensitive to the wheat protein rather than the gluten...

  14. "Giusi" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    "Dee Dee" <[email hidden]> ha scritto nel messaggio
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    Quoted message said:


    "Giusi" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "Dave" <[email hidden]> ha scritto nel messaggio
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    . One in particular is Polenta, having
    > grown up Italian...
    >
    > Can anyone suggest another grain that I could cook up in a similar
    > fashion? Suitably seasoned and served, maybe almost acceptable as a
    > substitute? Qinoa? Millet? Teff? ???
    >
    > Dave

    Before there was corn, there was polenta of wheat and chestnuts. Try
    coarsely ground semolina or spelt or use chestnut flour.

    --
    http://www.judithgreenwood.com

    noun: milled product of durum wheat (or other hard wheat) used in pasta
    Dee Dee

    That's an American definition. Semolina here is a coarse grind and can be
    various. You can buy it in the US and I have in the past. Ordinary
    grocery store, I'm sure.


    Coarse ground what? i.e., wheat, corn?
    IOW what does the coarsely ground semolina in Italy consist of; what is it
    ground from?
    Thanks.
    Dee Dee

  15. Arri London said:

    Barley, rye and oats can also be served up like polenta.

    For thickening you can use arrowroot.

    I actually prefer potato starch to corn starch (aside from allergy issues.)

    Dave

  16. Karen AKA Kajikit said:

    On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 15:33:35 GMT, "Julie Bove" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    "Arri London" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Barley, rye and oats can also be served up like polenta.


    All contain gluten unless you buy gluten free oats.

    But the OP said that he can eat all of the above with no
    ill-effects... he said he MIGHT be celiac, not he knew he WAS. While
    they have gluten, they're not a problem for him.

    To the OP, if what causes you distress but the other grains don't, you
    might be sensitive to the wheat protein rather than the gluten...


    Yeah, it's something like that. I used to eat fresh fre3nch bread like a
    hog, and it would get to me. Now, after staying mostly clean for a year
    or so, I can eat small amounts of wheat with no ill effects. Lots
    (although not unlimited) of spelt, so I didn't have to entirely give up
    on good bread, I just had to learn to bake it!

    Dave

  17. Giusi said:

    "Dave" <[email hidden]> ha scritto nel messaggio
    news:[email hidden]...
    . One in particular is Polenta, having

    Quoted message said:

    grown up Italian...

    Can anyone suggest another grain that I could cook up in a similar
    fashion? Suitably seasoned and served, maybe almost acceptable as a
    substitute? Qinoa? Millet? Teff? ???

    Dave

    Before there was corn, there was polenta of wheat and chestnuts. Try
    coarsely ground semolina or spelt or use chestnut flour.


    So I've discovered, while trying to research this!
    Pulentum is far older than New World maize.
    Now, I do see "buckwheat polenta" becoming trendy, but all the meak I
    find is just yellow corn with a bit of buckwheat added for accent, not
    the oure thing. I wondered about chestnut meal; grind dried chestnuts?
    Might be worth a try. And acorns, roasted a bit!
    For now, I'm going to start with cracked rice, and see how it goes...

    Dave

  18. "Dee Dee" <[email hidden]> ha scritto nel messaggio
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    Quoted message said:

    Coarse ground what? i.e., wheat, corn?
    IOW what does the coarsely ground semolina in Italy consist of; what is it
    ground from?
    Thanks.
    Dee Dee

    Normally wheat, but the word isn't on a package like it is in the UK and US.
    It describes a grind. UKers make it into a pudding that apparently no one
    likes.
    --
    http://www.judithgreenwood.com

  19. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Dave Bell said:
    Giusi said:

    "Dave" <[email hidden]> ha scritto nel messaggio
    news:[email hidden]...
    . One in particular is Polenta, having

    Quoted message said:

    grown up Italian...

    Can anyone suggest another grain that I could cook up in a similar
    fashion? Suitably seasoned and served, maybe almost acceptable as a
    substitute? Qinoa? Millet? Teff? ???

    Dave

    Before there was corn, there was polenta of wheat and chestnuts. Try
    coarsely ground semolina or spelt or use chestnut flour.


    So I've discovered, while trying to research this!
    Pulentum is far older than New World maize.
    Now, I do see "buckwheat polenta" becoming trendy, but all the meak I
    find is just yellow corn with a bit of buckwheat added for accent, not
    the oure thing. I wondered about chestnut meal; grind dried chestnuts?
    Might be worth a try. And acorns, roasted a bit!

    Acorns were a staple food in some parts. They need to be processed
    before consumption to reduce the tannins, but I don't have the details o
    how.

    Miche

    --
    In the monastery office --
    Before enlightenment: fetch mail, shuffle paper
    After enlightenment: fetch mail, shuffle paper

  20. Julie Bove said:


    "Arri London" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    Barley, rye and oats can also be served up like polenta.

    All contain gluten unless you buy gluten free oats.

    The OP's problem isn't gluten as such apparently.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    For thickening you can use arrowroot.

    I think sweet rice flour works better.

    Can't say but doesn't it add it's own flavour? Potato starch should work
    as should tapioca flour.

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