Alan Webb does it again

dwjones45 said:

By finishing 8th in the mens 1500m final. This much over hyped and vastly
over rated middle distance runner could run fast times and break American
records in races that don't matter. But when it comes time for the big
important races Alan has always failed miserably. Nice Job Alan.

Lets give him al ittle credit. He was only a second off the pace
(actually less than a second), which BTW was won by an American. Of
course, with him only being a second out he had a chance and choked as
normal.

John

dwjones45 said:

By finishing 8th in the mens 1500m final. This much over hyped and vastly
over rated middle distance runner could run fast times and break American
records in races that don't matter. But when it comes time for the big
important races Alan has always failed miserably. Nice Job Alan.

Link to the race results
http://osaka2007.iaaf.org/results/gender=M/discipline=1500/combCode=hash/roundCode=f/result.html

At least he wasn't leading at 1200m and not even finish top 3

John

dwjones45 said:

By finishing 8th in the mens 1500m final. This much over hyped and vastly
over rated middle distance runner could run fast times and break American
records in races that don't matter.
But when it comes time for the big
important races Alan has always failed miserably. Nice Job Alan.

Hello, are you trolling again ?

Cheers,
--
Elflord

dwjones45 said:

By finishing 8th in the mens 1500m final. This much over hyped and vastly
over rated middle distance runner could run fast times and break American
records in races that don't matter.
But when it comes time for the big
important races Alan has always failed miserably. Nice Job Alan.

Hello, are you trolling again ?

Cheers,
--
Elflord

"dwjones45" <[email hidden]> wrote

You talk tough. Do tell us about some of your recent PR's and victories,
DW...

D Stumpus said:

You talk tough. Do tell us about some of your recent PR's and victories,
DW...

I will. I did Carmen two nights ago, and Maria last night, and when
Maria's husband caught us, I beat his PR ass, so it was a victory.

When are the Olympic qualifiers? next spring?
Thats what counts. I hope he can realize his potential.

rick++ said:

When are the Olympic qualifiers? next spring?
Thats what counts. I hope he can realize his potential.

Me too, you idiot.

runsrealfast said:

Link to the race results
http://osaka2007.iaaf.org/results/gender=M/discipline=1500/combCode=h...

....and to the flocasts interview the day after:
http://www.flocasts.com/flotrack/speakers.php?sid=132&vid=4723

dwjones' critique isn't totally, completely out of the blue: Alan has
had his share of disappointment in tactical championship type races.
But he's had a hell of a season, and he has some prime years in front
of him. If nothing else he's clearly worked any kinks out of his
training - you don't break the longstanding American mile record by
accident! We'll see if he puts all the pieces together in some big
races next year.

And big props to winner Bernard Lagat, who always comes across as one
of the classiest guys in the game.

Quoted message said:

dwjones' critique isn't totally, completely out of the blue: Alan has
had his share of disappointment in tactical championship type races.
But he's had a hell of a season, and he has some prime years in front
of him. If nothing else he's clearly worked any kinks out of his
training - you don't break the longstanding American mile record by
accident!

I don't think it does it justice to just call it an American record.
He's 8th fastest of all time, and only one other runner (El G) has run a faster
mile this century.

I thought he ran fine tactically, he just didn't have enough in the tank on the day.

3:43.13 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14 09 1974 1 Roma 07 07 1999
3:43.40 Noah Ngeny KEN 02 11 1978 2 Roma 07 07 1999
3:44.39 Noureddine Morceli ALG 28 02 1970 1 Rieti 05 09 1993
3:44.60 Hicham El Guerrouj 1 Nice 16 07 1998
3:44.90 Hicham El Guerrouj 1 Oslo 04 07 1997
3:44.95 Hicham El Guerrouj 1 Roma 29 06 2001
3:45.19 Noureddine Morceli 1 Zürich 16 08 1995
3:45.64 Hicham El Guerrouj 1 Berlin 26 08 1997
3:45.96 Hicham El Guerrouj 1 London 05 08 2000
3:46.24 Hicham El Guerrouj 1 Oslo 28 07 2000
3:46.32 Steve Cram GBR 14 10 1960 1 Oslo 27 07 1985
3:46.38 Daniel Komen KEN 17 05 1976 2 Berlin 26 08 1997
3:46.70 Vénuste Niyongabo BDI 09 12 1973 3 Berlin 26 08 1997
3:46.76 Saïd Aouita MAR 02 11 1959 1 Helsinki 02 07 1987
3:46.78 Noureddine Morceli 1 Berlin 27 08 1993
3:46.91 Alan Webb USA 13 01 1983 1 Brasschaat 21 07 2007

Cheers,
--
Elflord

Donovan said:

I thought [Webb] ran fine tactically, he just didn't have enough in
the tank on the day.

That seems right to me as well, best I can tell.

Just sayin', those who express frustration with Alan's record in big
races do have *some* historical basis for their complaint, regardless
whether it's expressed reasonably. As contrasted with hypothetical
bandwagon jumper-offers who might've slagged on Kenny B after his
meltdown in the three hundred degree Mombasa heat of World XC - the
very rare off race for him.

Even before his July 3:46, seems to me Webb had run a few outstanding
races/times earlier in the season. Maybe he peaked a little early
this year?

Elflord said:

3:46.32 Steve Cram GBR 14 10 1960 1 Oslo 27 07 1985

he was the best whitey

"Charlie Pendejo" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

Even before his July 3:46, seems to me Webb had run a few outstanding
races/times earlier in the season. Maybe he peaked a little early
this year?

Webb has the fastest 1500 in the world this year -- 3:30, I think.

I think the fact that he trained for distance last year -- he ran 27:34 in
his first 10k, edging Ritz -- gave him a boost in his 1500 this year.

Charlie Pendejo said:

Donovan said:

I thought [Webb] ran fine tactically, he just didn't have enough in
the tank on the day.

That seems right to me as well, best I can tell.

Just sayin', those who express frustration with Alan's record in big
races do have *some* historical basis for their complaint, regardless
whether it's expressed reasonably. As contrasted with hypothetical
bandwagon jumper-offers who might've slagged on Kenny B after his
meltdown in the three hundred degree Mombasa heat of World XC - the
very rare off race for him.

Maybe ... but Webb ain't Kenny B, and the 1500m is a very unforgiving race.

It often happens that very talented guys don't make the finals. For example,
Baala was eliminated in both this and the world champs (largely due to getting
stuck in traffic in very slow heats)

He consistently makes the finals and his previous placings were comensurate
with his ability. In Osaka and Tokyo, he really wasn't better than Lagat,
Ramzi, Komen, El G, etc.

I don't think he had the credentials to be a strong contender for the win
until this year -- at best, he was a dark horse contender for bronze ...

Quoted message said:

Even before his July 3:46, seems to me Webb had run a few outstanding
races/times earlier in the season. Maybe he peaked a little early
this year?

I think that could have been it. He was eating Lagat's and Baala's lunch in
the Golden League series, but Ramzi and Lagat looked like vastly superior
runners throughout this one.

Cheers,
--
Elflord