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  1. Yes, I did search, and didn't find the answer I'm looking for. This
    is, in fact, a question I've had for a long time.

    Which is better for touring/distance - the old skool airseat (or in
    this case a new skool airseat made from a KH Fusion) or the KH
    Freeride? I've ridden an airseat but never a freeride, and I've never
    met anyone who's done extensive distance on both - just one or the
    other.

    Anyone have experience touring on both and have a preference?

    Please leave money/cost out of the argument. This is purely based on
    comfort, not comfort per cost.

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  2. I've ridden extensively on both.

    The airseat supports you in all the wrong places. Softer doesn't mean
    it's better. Have you ever seen a bicyclist use an airseat?

    The freeride is pretty good, although still a little bit fat. Needs to
    lose a bit of foam up the front end and also lose some thickness.

    Ken

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  3. that's what my guess was. I only muni on my airseat, for which it's
    great. But whenever I sit for while I get annoyed at where the air
    pushes.

    What do you ride? Some sort of custom something?

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  4. Go Freeride, its not perfect yet but its the closest production saddle
    to perfection at the moment.

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  5. Depends on which unicycle I'm using. But the one I have with me at the
    moment has an unmodified KH Freeride on it. I will be getting out the
    breadknife shortly.

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  6. Two 50 mile coker rides the verdict from me is: Fusion freeride all the
    way; especially with my current seat cover mod.

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  7. I would guess. Different weight, size, talent etc. of riders.

    I have only been riding about a year, but I have bought and messed with
    most of the better saddles.

    If you don't want to mess with them, the KH street is the best small
    saddle, and the KH free ride is the best large saddle. The Nimbus gell
    and Torker saddles are sorta lame in comparison IMHO.

    The stock KH air is weird and not so good. The tubes shift around.
    However, the drawstring cover is easy to remove and reinstall. My duct
    taped and extra padded KH air seat is the most comfortable (better then
    a KH free ride by 32 % ass opinion lol ). But you need at least a roll
    of duct tape, and hopefully some foam, plus a desire to mess with it,
    to make a KH air seat uber cool. Experimentation is key here. The
    modded KH air seat is bulky and heavy compared to other seats, but has
    almost an inch of suspension travel. Easily better then a KH free ride
    on some unis IMHO.

    If you don't want to mess around, the stock KH free ride is the best
    all around seat. The KH street seat is excellent, and better on small
    wheels because it's very small and comfortable. The Nimbus gell is
    large but sorta roundy, feels a bit like the seat is on crooked. Not
    really more comfortable then the KH street.

    I really liked Terry's modded KH free ride idea. I have no idea how
    well it would work, but I think it would be great to try🙂 .

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  8. I've ridden quite a bit on borrowed airseats, and they nearly always
    seem to suck in some way or another. They're usually massive, typically
    have a bit of wobble in them, and aren't as comfy as a stock KH seat.

    Massive seats are rubbish for long distance, as you chafe more on a big
    seat, this is part of why the newer KH seats are way better than the
    old big ones were.

    Airseats also are often not very good in terms of control, as they have
    wobble when you turn, sort of not too bad on a muni, where a lot of the
    hard stuff where you need control you're standing on the pedals, but I
    don't like it on cokers at all.

    I think big squishy seats are overrated, if you ride a lot, your [censored]
    gets used to a firmer seat, and you get much more comfy, whereas if you
    have a big squishy seat, it's just always gonna be squishy.

    The other advantage of normal seats is that you don't have bloody seat
    flats and make everyone wait for you to fix your seat.

    I think airseats seem great to beginners, as they have an instant comfy
    feel compared to other seats, but really you can't judge seats by how
    comfy they are for the first mile, you need to ride a seat for a few
    hundred miles before you have any idea.

    Joe

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  9. I disagree with most riders when it comes to massive seats. My seat
    isn't too massive, and not any wider than a KH Freeride seat, but it is
    perfect.

    Ken believes that the KH freeride has too much foam, where I believe
    that the shape is perfect, but it needs a little thin slab of foam
    underneath it to be more comfy for long rides. I have experimented a
    lot with seat set ups and I really like my current set up and have been
    running it for about a year and a half with very little problems.

    I used to have an airseat, which was great for 10 miles or so, anything
    after that it sucked.

    I tried the stock KH fusion saddle with a rail adapter tilted back and
    that made me go numb fast.

    I tried the KH freeride saddle and it was also great for short
    distances, but the lack of foam really hurt after a while.

    KH freeride saddle with a little extra foam on the bottom and a larger
    leather cover on top is great. Although my set up is a miyata base,
    steel stiffener plate, small bit of foam on top, kh freeride foam on
    top of that, leather cover on top tied underneath.

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  10. I ordered an air seat with my N36 and it was the first thing that I
    changed. I spent two months adjusting, modifying, and re-building the
    seat trying to make it comfortable. I just could not make it very
    comfortable for long rides. I ended up driving 300km on one of my days
    off to go to Saskatoon to buy a regular unicycle seat.

    I got a fusion Freeride which I instantly liked better than the air
    seat that I was fooling around with. It felt much more stable, didn't
    have to worry about flats, and didn’t have to fool around with air
    pressure and the center cutaway worked fairly well. After long rides
    thought it still seemed a bit too squishy. I switched out the foam with
    a cut up old school KH saddle which I used until recently. I really
    liked the firmer foam carved by me for me. The foam had top of the
    front sliced off, a wedge cut out of the back to flatten it and a grove
    down the middle. I found that a firmer saddle was better when it came
    to numbness.

    Just the other night I took one of those green and yellow dual density
    KH foams and sanded off most of the top in the front and back leaving
    the foam and the grove in the middle. I think I ended up with a
    slightly better shape than my old cut foam and look forward to finding
    out how I like it on a long ride.

    I think that the KH fusion Freeride is pertnear perfect for MUni but a
    tad soft for distance riding. I just don't like air seats.

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  11. With my KH freeride, I never get numb taint like I did with an airseat.

    I did last Saturday's ride (the one with Corbin and Tholub) using my
    Schlumpf 36er with a KH Street saddle and T7. It was 55 miles and seat
    comfort was never an issue. It seems that with the geared unicycles we
    put more weight on the petals and less on the saddle, reducing saddle
    soreness. I was planning on swapping the Street with a Freeride, but I
    may just leave it.

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  12. The title of the thread is a little misleading since we all seem to be
    talking about road riding here. The requirements of other types of
    riding are different so that's a factor in which seat's best for what.

    My favorite seat so far for Cokering is an old air seat with a carbon
    base and ripped Roach cover that Chris Reeder put together many years
    ago. I acquired it from him in 2002 or so with a rickety Trials
    unicycle he was discarding. It's still great (for me), except for that
    first half of the Tahoe ride last year when it was flat. 🙁

    I've been putting lots of miles on Robert Allen's Nimbus 36 with
    Schlumpf hub. It had a KH Freeride on there, which we both hated (for
    that cycle). For my RTL qualifying ride, I replaced it with a much
    older KH seat, possibly a 1st-generation one. Much better but still not
    as good as my air seat.

    I've now got a KH Fusion Freeride Air, but haven't put it on any of the
    cycles yet to compare.

    The thing is, I think your body position and riding style are also
    major factors in what kind of seat is going to work best for you. On my
    own Coker, I have a low pair of bar-ends that give me a slightly
    aerodynamic position. This puts my pelvic area at a different angle
    than on a Nimbus with T7 handle, for instance, which leaves me sitting
    up. I think A good bike seat is probably better for a road uni where
    you've got a good handlebar system and are all dialed in. A narrower
    unicycle seat that still has a handle on the front (for those steep
    spots) might be a future option on the market.

    My original air seat (circa 1997) used a skinny 20" tube in it (because
    that's all they had at the store, in 1997, and I was in a hurry). But
    it worked out great because you can position the skinny tubes to create
    somewhat of a channel down the middle. But I agree with most that the
    problem with air seats is they tend to put even pressure everywhere,
    which requires you to reposition a lot or have to stop for "circulation
    breaks."

    So that's my two cents at the moment. More RTL training will surely
    refine my opinion.

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  13. siafirede said:

    Ken believes that the KH freeride has too much foam, where I believe
    that the shape is perfect

    And you and Ken have different bodies. Keep in mind that a seat that
    works well for one person may cause pain to another. There isn't one
    seat that'll work for everyone.

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  14. maestro8 said:

    And you and Ken have different bodies. Keep in mind that a seat that
    works well for one person may cause pain to another. There isn't one
    seat that'll work for everyone.

    This is a subtle way of saying that Ken has larger junk than you do.

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