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  1. I keep reading that you should reduce tire pressure for muni, but they
    don't say WHY, or how much! I assume by letting SOME pressure out will
    allow more rubber to contact the terrain, improving traction, and also
    reduce the possibilty of punctures, right? But too little air also
    makes for a "sluggish" ride, and that means more energy expended. So,
    my tire's pressure recommendation is 30-50 psi. It's a Kenda 24x2.6.
    Where I ride allows me to switch from undulating offroad terrain, to a
    paved, less hilly road, so if the tire pressure is too low, it's really
    noticeable in the paved section, and it's harder to pedal. "squishy" is
    a good way to put it🙂 🙂So, one LAST time, please chime in with where
    YOU fall in with air pressure category for muni. Do you fill the tire
    to the LOWER end of the PSI recommendation, somewhere in the middle, or
    closer to the max? THANK YOU ALL!!!:p

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  2. Try starting with the mid pressure that is recommended, then change it
    depending on your needs.

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  3. it really depends on your tire and your preferences. I have my MUni tire
    at an extremely low pressure, like 21 psi or so, but it's a 24x3.

    the main reason for me to have low pressure is because I ride trials on
    my MUni, and like low pressure for hops. For MUni, low pressure allows
    you some suspension, which is good to have.

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  4. My new muni will have a 24x3" Duro tire, and I was wondering the same
    thing! Thanks for making this thread. 🙂

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  5. I'm about 150 lbs, and I run at around 15-17 psi on a 24x3.0 Gazz. Any
    lower and I start get pinch flats. Your weight and riding style both
    make difference on what pressure to run the tire. My personal
    experience with low pressure is that it lessens the rebound off of big
    hops and drops, and minimizes foldover when landing on weird-angled
    rock. It's really difficult to stay in the saddle on rocky terrain
    when the tire has a lot of "spring" to it. And as you also stated, low
    pressure improves overall traction.

    Since you are using a slightly skinnier tire, your equipment may
    perform differently under similar conditions. You'll probably want a
    higher pressure. My advice, as Fuego said, is to play around and see
    what you like. Also, your preferences may change as your skill grows,
    or you try different terrain types.

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  6. entropy said:

    I'm about 150 lbs, and I run at around 15-17 psi on a 24x3.0 Gazz. ....

    At that LOW pressure, isn't it harder to pedal? With that much rubber
    contacting the surface, and because your sidewalls sounds like they're
    verging on touching the ground-at least during drops-how can it NOT
    make riding more strenuous? That's probaly why, on theopposite
    spectrum, that road bikes use such skinny tires with ultra high
    pressure, because the LESS rubber that contacts the road, the faster
    you can go. Now imagine that same bike with wide, almost flat tires,
    and it would be like riding with the brakes on! -Slightly
    Lower-pressure can make it easier to ride over obstacles, add some
    needed suspension, reduce the chance of a puncture, but waaaay lower
    pressure? Sounds like overkill and also makes you work harder to move
    your uni along, no?😕

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  7. terrybigwheel said:

    At that LOW pressure, isn't it harder to pedal? With that much rubber
    contacting the surface, and because your sidewalls sounds like they're
    verging on touching the ground-at least during drops-how can it NOT
    make riding more strenuous? That's probaly why, on theopposite
    spectrum, that road bikes use such skinny tires with ultra high
    pressure, because the LESS rubber that contacts the road, the faster
    you can go. Now imagine that same bike with wide, almost flat tires,
    and it would be like riding with the brakes on! -Slightly
    Lower-pressure can make it easier to ride over obstacles, add some
    needed suspension, reduce the chance of a puncture, but waaaay lower
    pressure? Sounds like overkill and also makes you work harder to move
    your uni along, no?😕

    It does make it more strenuous on flat ground and roads. But I focus
    on riding difficult trails that have lots of weird angles, huge drops,
    and jutting rocks to roll through around and over. I find that on this
    type of terrain, higher pressure actually ends up being more work
    because your legs have to compensate for a stiff tire by absorbing all
    the bumps. If the tire folds on a drop with higher pressures, it is
    difficult to stay on the unicycle during the rebound.

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  8. terrybigwheel said:

    I keep reading that you should reduce tire pressure for muni, but they
    don't say WHY, or how much! I assume by letting SOME pressure out will
    allow more rubber to contact the terrain, improving traction, and also
    reduce the possibilty of punctures, right? But too little air also
    makes for a "sluggish" ride, and that means more energy expended. So,
    my tire's pressure recommendation is 30-50 psi. It's a Kenda 24x2.6.
    Where I ride allows me to switch from undulating offroad terrain, to a
    paved, less hilly road, so if the tire pressure is too low, it's really
    noticeable in the paved section, and it's harder to pedal. "squishy" is
    a good way to put it🙂 🙂So, one LAST time, please chime in with where
    YOU fall in with air pressure category for muni. Do you fill the tire
    to the LOWER end of the PSI recommendation, somewhere in the middle, or
    closer to the max? THANK YOU ALL!!!:p

    For real MUni (as opposed to cross-country on easy trails), you want
    the tire as low as it will go without bottoming on the typical rocks
    and drops you're doing. For me, 185 pounds plus gear, on my Kenda
    24x2.6, I run at just over 20 psi, which seems fine for drops up to
    about two feet, which is as big as I go. On my Gazz 26x3.0, I run more
    like 17-18 psi. I like the feel of the Gazz better, and would run the
    Kenda lower if I could, but then I start getting bottoming on drops.

    Pumping it higher really makes a negative difference in your ability to
    get up and down technical terrain.

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  9. I just found the following quote from John Childs in cyclingforums.com
    archive. It seems to make sense and he offers several very helpful
    guidelines. Another very succinct, but different quote from
    "Krashin'Kenny", offers this formula: fill the tire with 1psi for every
    10 ounds of body weight. That seems a bit low to me, but hey, what do I
    know?

    Here's the John Childs quote:

    The ideal tire pressure for muni depends on a lot of different
    factors.
    It depends on rider weight, stiffness of the tire, what tire you're
    using, how new the tire is, what tube you're using, what rim you're
    using, your riding style, the terrain on the trail, how rocky and
    rooty
    the trail is, and other factors. There is no set rule for tire
    pressure
    that will hold for everyone for every situation.

    I typically ride with something between 16 psi and 22 psi. It all
    depends on the trail and whether I remember to check the pressure
    before
    the ride.

    The basic concern is that you want enough air in the tire to keep from
    getting pinch flats. You also want enough air in the tire so the tire
    doesn't fold over when doing side hops or when pecking up a hill.

    Here's a set of guidelines or a heuristic to help in determining ideal
    tire pressure. This is a list that I posted back in 2000 and has been
    copied to the 'tips section of Muniac Manor'
    (http://www.muniac.com/tips.htm#pressure)

    1) Ride right into a root or a similar obstacle. Don't try to hop over
    it, just ride right into it and try to roll over it. If the wheel
    bounces back instead of rolling over the root consider lowering the
    tire
    pressure. If you lose traction on the root consider lowering the tire
    pressure.

    2) Side hop up a hill. If the tire folds over increase the tire
    pressure. Wider rims also help prevent the tire from folding over.
    Tires
    with stiffer sidewalls (like the Intense DH tires) are less likely to
    fold over than tires with softer sidewalls.

    3) Hop and jump on a log or similar obstacle perpendicular to its
    length
    (the length of the log will be to your left and right). Pick a log
    that
    is about 6" or less in diameter. A parking lot divider will also work.
    If the tire bottoms out then increase the tire pressure.

    4) If you get pitched off the MUni during a ride because the tire
    bounced backwards (or upwards) after hitting an obstacle instead of
    rolling over the obstacle consider lowering the tire pressure.

    5) If you are going to be riding on fire roads or other similar "easy"
    trails consider increasing the tire pressure to decrease rolling
    resistance.

    6) If you lose traction during a ride consider lowering the tire
    pressure.

    7) If you ever get a pinch flat consider increasing the tire pressure.
    Also look for a thicker tube like the Intense DH tubes.

    In the end it all depends on the rider, the terrain, and the style of
    riding. The pressure that works for me may not be the pressure that
    works for you.

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  10. tholub said:

    For real MUni (as opposed to cross-country on easy trails), you want the
    tire as low as it will go without bottoming on the typical rocks and
    drops you're doing. For me, 185 pounds plus gear, on my Kenda 24x2.6,
    I run at just over 20 psi, which seems fine for drops up to about two
    feet, which is as big as I go. On my Gazz 26x3.0, I run more like
    17-18 psi. I like the feel of the Gazz better, and would run the Kenda
    lower if I could, but then I start getting bottoming on drops.

    Pumping it higher really makes a negative difference in your ability to
    get up and down technical terrain.

    1 psi for 10 pounds of body weight is a good rule of thumb for a 24x3
    tire. I weigh about the same as tholub and also run my 24x2.6 Kenda at
    20-22 psi but am most comfortable at 18-19 psi in my 24x3 Gazz

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  11. Fuego said:

    my MUni tire at an extremely low pressure, like 21 psi or so, but it's a
    24x3.

    .

    i can top that, i ride at 17psi on a duro 3"

    i like it really squishy and bouncy

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  12. Watching Joey Cohn do some amazing natural trials in rocky Upstate New
    York, I asked him that question. I figured he had some magic formula.
    He responded that he really doesn't pay that much attention to it.

    I learned from that not to worry too much about air pressure. It may
    be a factor, but it's not the most important thing. As long as you're
    floating above the rim, you should be fine.

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  13. The main issue I see in riding with such low psi ia the rolling
    resitance it creates. For me, the trails I ride are only semi-rocky,
    but very hilly, with some fairly smooth sections, so with too low a psi
    It just adds resistance to pedalling. I guess I'll just have to
    experiment with it tofind whatworks best. thanks all!

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  14. I never ever check my tire pressure in PSI's. I fill it up, get on and
    hop around, let some out, untill it's a little squishy, then I hop high
    and land hard, if it bottoms out* I add a little more, if not I leave
    it.

    *by bottoming out, I mean to were the rim hits the ground.

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  15. Well Im running hte Exact same tire...and I dont think Ive ever checked
    the psi once in it... But what I do is fill it til its kinda medium,
    and soft side, acuse I cant stand hard bottom outs and sluggish
    riding... I stop putting air in when I can get a really good prehop
    outa the tire with it just comming short of bottoming out...or Il hop
    on some rails and if the tire hits too hard I pump it up a lil....but
    pressure is easy to take out, so give it a couple pounds extra before
    your ride, and if you want it lower take out a lil...

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  16. I ride a 24X3 Duro tire, and in the snow, I ride with barely any
    pressure at all. For dirt trails, I ride at about half inflation. I
    don't actually gauge the pressure in my tire though. I have it full
    when I start a ride, and I let out air as I go.

    One thing I'd recommend is to buy a small tire pump, and bring it with
    you for Munis. It sucks to let too much out when you're an hour in the
    woods.

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