aiiyeee, broken frame

That was a bit silly! Blowtorch to frame, indeed! Didn't you read
Sheldon Brown's FAQ on how to get a seatpost out that's stuck before
you tried this?

http://www.sheldonbrown.com/stuck-seatposts.html

And if you loved your bike, why didn't you pull it out and grease it
occasionally? No sympathy (well, not much) from me.Take it down to
Paconi (he probably built it anyway) and ask Kevin if he can weld
another tube in. What material (type/make/model of steel) is it? That
factor will govern yes or no.

MH

AndrewJ said:

Warning, picture may cause pain:

http://members.optusnet.com.au/~modelforecast/frame.jpg

I'm not critical at all of the Cecil frame. It has done many, many
kilometers. I think this break is the aftermath of some extreme
"treatment" to overcome stuck seatpost. Repeated application of
blowtorch to this sort of frame is not such a smart idea. It lasted
about 18 months after this treatment.

Strangely, I didn't notice this until I got home.

Quoted message said:

That was a bit silly! Blowtorch to frame, indeed! Didn't you read
Sheldon Brown's FAQ on how to get a seatpost out that's stuck before
you tried this?

http://www.sheldonbrown.com/stuck-seatposts.html

And if you loved your bike, why didn't you pull it out and grease it
occasionally? No sympathy (well, not much) from me.Take it down to
Paconi (he probably built it anyway) and ask Kevin if he can weld
another tube in. What material (type/make/model of steel) is it? That
factor will govern yes or no.

MH

AndrewJ said:

Warning, picture may cause pain:

http://members.optusnet.com.au/~modelforecast/frame.jpg

I'm not critical at all of the Cecil frame. It has done many, many
kilometers. I think this break is the aftermath of some extreme
"treatment" to overcome stuck seatpost. Repeated application of
blowtorch to this sort of frame is not such a smart idea. It lasted
about 18 months after this treatment.

Strangely, I didn't notice this until I got home.

Looks like you should get a longer seat post, that should hold the
frame together...

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

That was a bit silly! Blowtorch to frame, indeed! Didn't you read
Sheldon Brown's FAQ on how to get a seatpost out that's stuck before
you tried this?

http://www.sheldonbrown.com/stuck-seatposts.html

And if you loved your bike, why didn't you pull it out and grease it
occasionally? No sympathy (well, not much) from me.Take it down to
Paconi (he probably built it anyway) and ask Kevin if he can weld
another tube in. What material (type/make/model of steel) is it? That
factor will govern yes or no.

MH

AndrewJ said:

Warning, picture may cause pain:

http://members.optusnet.com.au/~modelforecast/frame.jpg

I'm not critical at all of the Cecil frame. It has done many, many
kilometers. I think this break is the aftermath of some extreme
"treatment" to overcome stuck seatpost. Repeated application of
blowtorch to this sort of frame is not such a smart idea. It lasted
about 18 months after this treatment.

Strangely, I didn't notice this until I got home.

Looks like you should get a longer seat post, that should hold the
frame together...

And with a bit of filler in the gap and a quick respray, who'd notice?

GDR

The blowtorch was a last resort, when all other methods failed.

Sadly, I think this is the end of this frame. I don't want to take the
chance on it failing again.

Yes, regular maintenance of seatpost is a good idea. But I think it may
have been the combination of aluminium seatpost and steel frame. They
may have "welded" together.

Quoted message said:

That was a bit silly! Blowtorch to frame, indeed! Didn't you read
Sheldon Brown's FAQ on how to get a seatpost out that's stuck before
you tried this?

http://www.sheldonbrown.com/stuck-seatposts.html

And if you loved your bike, why didn't you pull it out and grease it
occasionally? No sympathy (well, not much) from me.Take it down to
Paconi (he probably built it anyway) and ask Kevin if he can weld
another tube in. What material (type/make/model of steel) is it? That
factor will govern yes or no.

MH

AndrewJ said:

Warning, picture may cause pain:

http://members.optusnet.com.au/~modelforecast/frame.jpg

I'm not critical at all of the Cecil frame. It has done many, many
kilometers. I think this break is the aftermath of some extreme
"treatment" to overcome stuck seatpost. Repeated application of
blowtorch to this sort of frame is not such a smart idea. It lasted
about 18 months after this treatment.

Strangely, I didn't notice this until I got home.

That's what happens. I've used ammonia to great effect in the past to
get the stubborn buggers out.

But seriously, investigate the repair option. It might only cost you a
couple of hundred, vs a K or so for a good new one.

MH

AndrewJ said:

The blowtorch was a last resort, when all other methods failed.

Sadly, I think this is the end of this frame. I don't want to take the
chance on it failing again.

Yes, regular maintenance of seatpost is a good idea. But I think it may
have been the combination of aluminium seatpost and steel frame. They
may have "welded" together.

Quoted message said:

That was a bit silly! Blowtorch to frame, indeed! Didn't you read
Sheldon Brown's FAQ on how to get a seatpost out that's stuck before
you tried this?

http://www.sheldonbrown.com/stuck-seatposts.html

And if you loved your bike, why didn't you pull it out and grease it
occasionally? No sympathy (well, not much) from me.Take it down to
Paconi (he probably built it anyway) and ask Kevin if he can weld
another tube in. What material (type/make/model of steel) is it? That
factor will govern yes or no.

MH

AndrewJ said:

Warning, picture may cause pain:

http://members.optusnet.com.au/~modelforecast/frame.jpg

I'm not critical at all of the Cecil frame. It has done many, many
kilometers. I think this break is the aftermath of some extreme
"treatment" to overcome stuck seatpost. Repeated application of
blowtorch to this sort of frame is not such a smart idea. It lasted
about 18 months after this treatment.

Strangely, I didn't notice this until I got home.

Mfhor said:

But seriously, investigate the repair option. It might only
cost you a couple of hundred, vs a K or so for a good new
one.

I disagree. Bin it. The seat tube is the core of the frame. Replacing it requires reflowing both bottom bracket and seat cluster. It's extremely unlikely that the repair will be sound, and less likely that it'll handle properly afterwards. The amount of work involved is not dissimilar to building a new frame from scratch.

Cheers,

Suzy

The next step in the saga. After trawling around the Net I settled on
either Mongoose randonneur or some sort of Surly. Discussed it at home
with the bicycle ignoramuses. Mongoose, they said, that is an old brand
- isn't it old style kid bmx's? What would they know?

So trundled to the bikeshop. "We're no longer mongoose dealers".
Spooky.

They directed my attention to the many Avanti's on display. Quickly
told them that I'd given up sprinting as it just brought home to me
exactly how old I really am. Seems they have many hybrid styles (quite
light) that can attach panniers to, but they have them new fangled flat
handlebars. But they look very promising. I'm inclined towards the top
of their "comfort" range. As long as "comfort" is not a byword for
"suitable for octagenarians".

suzyj said:

Mfhor said:

But seriously, investigate the repair option. It might only
cost you a couple of hundred, vs a K or so for a good new
one.

I disagree. Bin it. The seat tube is the core of the frame.
Replacing it requires reflowing both bottom bracket and seat cluster.
It's extremely unlikely that the repair will be sound, and less likely
that it'll handle properly afterwards. The amount of work involved is
not dissimilar to building a new frame from scratch.

Cheers,

Suzy

--
suzyj

AndrewJ said:

Warning, picture may cause pain:

http://members.optusnet.com.au/~modelforecast/frame.jpg

I'm not critical at all of the Cecil frame. It has done many, many
kilometers. I think this break is the aftermath of some extreme
"treatment" to overcome stuck seatpost. Repeated application of
blowtorch to this sort of frame is not such a smart idea. It lasted
about 18 months after this treatment.
Strangely, I didn't notice this until I got home.

I feel your pain man! My GT is still sitting in the lounge, broken and useless.

Odd place to break - is that where the old seatpost ended?

www.dirtworks.com.au used to be Oz Surly importers.

I was looking here and £325 for the 1x1 frame+fork compared to £450 for a complete Il Pompino doesn't bode well for me buying the Surly.

hippy

hippy said:

www.dirtworks.com.au used to be Oz Surly importers.

Still are, and Salsa as well. So they're not going to mind you choosing
either of your options, provided you buy it here. Oops!

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avoids needless violence and gunplay together, is our motto.

Just put a deposit down on Avanti Blade Comp.

Bicycle for: commuting, up to 1 week touring on made roads and rail
trails.

Initial thoughts: road type frame, or custom road type frame. Maybe
mtb.

Why not? Heavy, expensive. Fashion(?) dictates that flat bars are the
go. Decided to make the jump to the flat bar format.

Aluminium frame, will support both front and back panniers. Should be
faster than the heavy touring type thing. Feels about half the weight
of my old frame.

With luck should be back on the road Saturday.

See Avanti, all that late night consumer programming worked :-)

AndrewJ said:

Warning, picture may cause pain:

http://members.optusnet.com.au/~modelforecast/frame.jpg

I'm not critical at all of the Cecil frame. It has done many, many
kilometers. I think this break is the aftermath of some extreme
"treatment" to overcome stuck seatpost. Repeated application of
blowtorch to this sort of frame is not such a smart idea. It lasted
about 18 months after this treatment.

Strangely, I didn't notice this until I got home.