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Cubit wrote:
::
:: I'm starting to get an idea of what my burn rate is, in Fitday
:: numbers. It seems to be somewhere around 1900 calories per day.
:: This seems so huge after so many months at 1400, and then 1200
:: calories per day.

I seem to remember commenting on a maintenance level of about 2000 calories
per day a couple of week ago....to which you countered (ie, attacked) by
saying you'd gain a pound a week if you ate that much. Tsk, tsk...

::
:: From my reading, I had entertained a theory that there is a maximum
:: absorption rate for fat. In review of my massive indulgence in
:: almonds several weeks back, it appears that every calorie counted,
:: even on a day with over 4000 calories. There is no free lunch, so
:: to speak.

Yep.

"Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Cubit wrote:
::
:: I'm starting to get an idea of what my burn rate is, in Fitday
:: numbers. It seems to be somewhere around 1900 calories per day.
:: This seems so huge after so many months at 1400, and then 1200
:: calories per day.

Quoted message said:

I seem to remember commenting on a maintenance level of about 2000

calories

Quoted message said:

per day a couple of week ago....to which you countered (ie, attacked) by
saying you'd gain a pound a week if you ate that much. Tsk, tsk...

In a context of the OP's low carb "diet," which I took to be a weightloss
effort and not maintenance, I said:

"Add some minimal carbs and you are talking 2250. At my BMI, I would gain a
pound a week with calories like that. 2100 "ain't much" only if you weigh
400 pounds."

At the time I thought my burn rate was 1800. 2250 minus 1800 is 450.
Multiply by 7 days and you have 3150. 3500 is a pound, so I wasn't that far
off.

If you were telling people to try to lose weight at 2100 calories per day, I
was right to take exception.

Cubit said:

I've been dining out twice a week and holding even with a little effort on
the other days. I still measure everything at home and estimate portions at
restaurants.

I have stayed low carb except one time dining out at an Ethiopian
restaurant. The injera are basically a form of bread. This left no option.
Ethiopian is eaten by hand with no utensils. The injera is used to pick up
the food. So, I cheated, but by the end of the week my carb percentage was
still low enough.

I'm starting to get an idea of what my burn rate is, in Fitday numbers. It
seems to be somewhere around 1900 calories per day. This seems so huge
after so many months at 1400, and then 1200 calories per day.

From my reading, I had entertained a theory that there is a maximum
absorption rate for fat. In review of my massive indulgence in almonds
several weeks back, it appears that every calorie counted, even on a day
with over 4000 calories. There is no free lunch, so to speak.

Not so in fact.

This is why you need to eat frequent small meals when body building.
There is a finite limit as to how much you can absorb in one sitting.

The same daily totals spread out over six or more meals allow much more
weight gain than over one or two meals. I keep very accurate records,
weighing and recording everything that I eat and drink and have often
noted a loss for the same nutritional totals when I eat them in only one
or two meals per day, if I have been getting some medical tests for
instance with nil by mouth a twelve hour requirement before the test.

I lose weight very quickly if I don't keep up my minimum daily calories.
My metabolism is very fast, I can spend a weeks putting a couple of
pounds and lose it in day if I can't keep up the calories. I lose weight
every time they keep me in hospital for a few days. (I have some
physical/surgical problems unrelated to diabetes).

Regards

David

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I went to the vet for a grooming. For my dog, that is. The groomer asked
me about my weightloss. I tried to answer some questions and point her
toward Atkins, but somehow I just can't seem to lead anyone to an epiphany.

I can't eat as much LC ice cream as I used to. I'm much more sensitive to
the sugar alcohol laxative effect. I drink more heavy cream instead.

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Cubit said:

I've been dining out twice a week and holding even with a little effort on
the other days. I still measure everything at home and estimate portions at
restaurants.

I have stayed low carb except one time dining out at an Ethiopian
restaurant. The injera are basically a form of bread. This left no option.
Ethiopian is eaten by hand with no utensils. The injera is used to pick up
the food. So, I cheated, but by the end of the week my carb percentage was
still low enough.

I'm starting to get an idea of what my burn rate is, in Fitday numbers. It
seems to be somewhere around 1900 calories per day. This seems so huge
after so many months at 1400, and then 1200 calories per day.

From my reading, I had entertained a theory that there is a maximum
absorption rate for fat. In review of my massive indulgence in almonds
several weeks back, it appears that every calorie counted, even on a day
with over 4000 calories. There is no free lunch, so to speak.

Not so in fact.

This is why you need to eat frequent small meals when body building.
There is a finite limit as to how much you can absorb in one sitting.

The same daily totals spread out over six or more meals allow much more
weight gain than over one or two meals. I keep very accurate records,
weighing and recording everything that I eat and drink and have often
noted a loss for the same nutritional totals when I eat them in only one
or two meals per day, if I have been getting some medical tests for
instance with nil by mouth a twelve hour requirement before the test.

I lose weight very quickly if I don't keep up my minimum daily calories.
My metabolism is very fast, I can spend a weeks putting a couple of
pounds and lose it in day if I can't keep up the calories. I lose weight
every time they keep me in hospital for a few days. (I have some
physical/surgical problems unrelated to diabetes).

Regards

David

Quoted message said:

I went to the vet for a grooming. For my dog, that is. The groomer asked
me about my weightloss. I tried to answer some questions and point her
toward Atkins, but somehow I just can't seem to lead anyone to an epiphany.

I can't eat as much LC ice cream as I used to. I'm much more sensitive to
the sugar alcohol laxative effect. I drink more heavy cream instead.

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Cubit wrote:
:: "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
:: news:[email hidden]...
::: Cubit wrote:
:::::
::::: I'm starting to get an idea of what my burn rate is, in Fitday
::::: numbers. It seems to be somewhere around 1900 calories per day.
::::: This seems so huge after so many months at 1400, and then 1200
::::: calories per day.
::
::
::
::: I seem to remember commenting on a maintenance level of about 2000
::: calories per day a couple of week ago....to which you countered
::: (ie, attacked) by saying you'd gain a pound a week if you ate that
::: much. Tsk, tsk...
::
:: In a context of the OP's low carb "diet," which I took to be a
:: weightloss effort and not maintenance, I said:
::
:: "Add some minimal carbs and you are talking 2250. At my BMI, I
:: would gain a pound a week with calories like that. 2100 "ain't
:: much" only if you weigh 400 pounds."
::
:: At the time I thought my burn rate was 1800. 2250 minus 1800 is 450.
:: Multiply by 7 days and you have 3150. 3500 is a pound, so I wasn't
:: that far off.
::
:: If you were telling people to try to lose weight at 2100 calories
:: per day, I was right to take exception.

If you weren't so bent on being right all the time, you'd realize that lots
of folks can lose at 2100 calories per day, especially if they are willing
to exercise. Here you are maintaining at almost 13x bodyweight....there are
lots of 210+ lbs folks who'd lose just fine at 2100.

Given my success, I feel I have some pertinent insights into resolving
weightloss problems. Yet, I fail to communicate that success to others. On
USENET there is always someone to jump in and contradict anything I say.
The effect is to blur my pearls of wisdom into the sewage of random opinion.

320/153/?

"Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Cubit wrote:
:: "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
:: news:[email hidden]...
::: Cubit wrote:
:::::
::::: I'm starting to get an idea of what my burn rate is, in Fitday
::::: numbers. It seems to be somewhere around 1900 calories per day.
::::: This seems so huge after so many months at 1400, and then 1200
::::: calories per day.
::
::
::
::: I seem to remember commenting on a maintenance level of about 2000
::: calories per day a couple of week ago....to which you countered
::: (ie, attacked) by saying you'd gain a pound a week if you ate that
::: much. Tsk, tsk...
::
:: In a context of the OP's low carb "diet," which I took to be a
:: weightloss effort and not maintenance, I said:
::
:: "Add some minimal carbs and you are talking 2250. At my BMI, I
:: would gain a pound a week with calories like that. 2100 "ain't
:: much" only if you weigh 400 pounds."
::
:: At the time I thought my burn rate was 1800. 2250 minus 1800 is 450.
:: Multiply by 7 days and you have 3150. 3500 is a pound, so I wasn't
:: that far off.
::
:: If you were telling people to try to lose weight at 2100 calories
:: per day, I was right to take exception.

If you weren't so bent on being right all the time, you'd realize that

lots

Quoted message said:

of folks can lose at 2100 calories per day, especially if they are willing
to exercise. Here you are maintaining at almost 13x bodyweight....there

are

Quoted message said:

lots of 210+ lbs folks who'd lose just fine at 2100.

To wit,

I am not exactly counting calories in (will do it if I have to to lose,
but I don't need to now). I do make an estimate of calories out with my
step counter/step diet book. Am currently eating over 2000 calories per
day, almost without a doubt. High fat, high protein, a couple of large
meals. Am currently 227.5, and losing about 1/3rd a pound a day. Of
course, just form the walking and breathing and respirating, I'm doing
~3000 calories a day (I don't know how to factor the two+ miles I walk
with my laptop case (>20Lbs), so it's likely more calories from walking
than I think).

While I don't think a calorie is a calorie in all cases, I do think
that if you increase movement and hold food steady, you can lose. When
I'm in the 210's next month, I'll let you know how it's working out,
but from the 260's to the 220's, it's been going pretty well, even as
my body is burning fewer calories on its own and I'm getting fewer
calories per step (cause I'm moving less of me about I guess).

-Hollywood

Roger Zoul said:

Cubit wrote:
:: "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
:: news:[email hidden]...
::: Cubit wrote:
:::::
::::: I'm starting to get an idea of what my burn rate is, in Fitday
::::: numbers. It seems to be somewhere around 1900 calories per day.
::::: This seems so huge after so many months at 1400, and then 1200
::::: calories per day.
::
::
::
::: I seem to remember commenting on a maintenance level of about 2000
::: calories per day a couple of week ago....to which you countered
::: (ie, attacked) by saying you'd gain a pound a week if you ate that
::: much. Tsk, tsk...
::
:: In a context of the OP's low carb "diet," which I took to be a
:: weightloss effort and not maintenance, I said:
::
:: "Add some minimal carbs and you are talking 2250. At my BMI, I
:: would gain a pound a week with calories like that. 2100 "ain't
:: much" only if you weigh 400 pounds."
::
:: At the time I thought my burn rate was 1800. 2250 minus 1800 is 450.
:: Multiply by 7 days and you have 3150. 3500 is a pound, so I wasn't
:: that far off.
::
:: If you were telling people to try to lose weight at 2100 calories
:: per day, I was right to take exception.

If you weren't so bent on being right all the time, you'd realize that lots
of folks can lose at 2100 calories per day, especially if they are willing
to exercise. Here you are maintaining at almost 13x bodyweight....there are
lots of 210+ lbs folks who'd lose just fine at 2100.

Cubit wrote:
:: Given my success, I feel I have some pertinent insights into
:: resolving weightloss problems.

I think you do too.

:: Yet, I fail to communicate that
:: success to others. On USENET there is always someone to jump in and
:: contradict anything I say. The effect is to blur my pearls of wisdom
:: into the sewage of random opinion.

Nonsense. You simply need to remember that there is more than one solution,
more than one thing that works. I'm certain that lots of people can use
your pearls of wisdom to great success. Others won't. It's not an
indictment upon you that some won't or that some will disagree with you. The
following holds true on usenet: Take what you need, leave the rest. This
also works: Give what you can.

Just lighten up a bit, Dave. Don't place so much of your self worth in this
weight loss business - there's a lot more to life.

::
:: 320/153/?
::
:: "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
:: news:[email hidden]...
::: Cubit wrote:
::::: "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
::::: news:[email hidden]...
:::::: Cubit wrote:
::::::::
:::::::: I'm starting to get an idea of what my burn rate is, in Fitday
:::::::: numbers. It seems to be somewhere around 1900 calories per
:::::::: day. This seems so huge after so many months at 1400, and then
:::::::: 1200 calories per day.
:::::
:::::
:::::
:::::: I seem to remember commenting on a maintenance level of about
:::::: 2000 calories per day a couple of week ago....to which you
:::::: countered (ie, attacked) by saying you'd gain a pound a week if
:::::: you ate that much. Tsk, tsk...
:::::
::::: In a context of the OP's low carb "diet," which I took to be a
::::: weightloss effort and not maintenance, I said:
:::::
::::: "Add some minimal carbs and you are talking 2250. At my BMI, I
::::: would gain a pound a week with calories like that. 2100 "ain't
::::: much" only if you weigh 400 pounds."
:::::
::::: At the time I thought my burn rate was 1800. 2250 minus 1800 is
::::: 450. Multiply by 7 days and you have 3150. 3500 is a pound, so I
::::: wasn't that far off.
:::::
::::: If you were telling people to try to lose weight at 2100 calories
::::: per day, I was right to take exception.
:::
::: If you weren't so bent on being right all the time, you'd realize
::: that lots of folks can lose at 2100 calories per day, especially if
::: they are willing to exercise. Here you are maintaining at almost
::: 13x bodyweight....there are lots of 210+ lbs folks who'd lose just
::: fine at 2100.

"Cubit" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Given my success, I feel I have some pertinent insights into resolving
weightloss problems.

Yes you do.

Quoted message said:

Yet, I fail to communicate that success to others.

It may seem that way at times.

Quoted message said:

On
USENET there is always someone to jump in and contradict anything I say.

I don't think you are the only one that feels this way.

Quoted message said:

The effect is to blur my pearls of wisdom into the sewage of random

opinion.

I like to read what you have to say. I don't always agree because my
goals are different then yours. A good example would be exercise. I know
some people in my personal life that think exercise is pointless given the
type of world we live in. Machines or construction workers do all the labor
in their lives. To them there is no need to run, or be strong in any way. I
can somewhat see their point, but don't agree about the way they have come
to that conclusion. Sure, these abilities may not be required in the modern
world, but I believe the body needs activity to function properly.
Does this mean they have no valuable knowledge in other areas? No. If I
want advice concerning movies, wine to take to a friend's house for supper,
or the best vehicle to purchase, I am all ears as to what they have to say.
Newsgroups, as in real life, has a wide variety of people with different
views. I would love to be able to spew out mounds of valuable advise and
have everyone value my opinions. The truth is, it is just my opinion, and
others are entitled to their own.
About the only thing I don't like is when someone implies, or directly
questions my intelligence. I do my best to give sound advice in a way that
is not disrespectful of others. I have sometimes spent a few hours
researching or answering a lengthy post with my own lengthy replies. I feel
sometimes as though it was a complete waste of my time.
I believe that for every poster, there is probably a dozen or more
lurkers. Not many will post a thankyou, but probably do appreciate the
knowledge of experienced dieters. It seems more likely that a person will
comment only if they disagree with the postings. I'm almost glad at times
when there isn't a subpost under mine. I then think; "Well, I guess what I
said wasn't too bad, there wasn't any negative replies."
There are many ASDLC members that haven't posted in a long time. They
probably feel as you do, that at times it is not worth the effort. It would
probably be easier to blurt out a rude one liner, or just stay silent.
I often praise my daughter for being such a good, caring, and thoughtful
person (now anyways). I didn't realize until she pointed out to me one day
that I often tell her what to do when she makes a mistake. She felt that she
was a bad kid that couldn't do anything right. How could she feel otherwise?
I never said much if things were going well. What she felt wasn't how I
viewed her at all. Same as you.
Looking forward to reading more of your posts.

"Tom G" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

"Cubit" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Given my success, I feel I have some pertinent insights into resolving
weightloss problems.

Yes you do.

Quoted message said:

Yet, I fail to communicate that success to others.

It may seem that way at times.

Quoted message said:

On
USENET there is always someone to jump in and contradict anything I say.

I don't think you are the only one that feels this way.

Quoted message said:

The effect is to blur my pearls of wisdom into the sewage of random

opinion.

I like to read what you have to say. I don't always agree because my
goals are different then yours. A good example would be exercise. I know
some people in my personal life that think exercise is pointless given the
type of world we live in. Machines or construction workers do all the

labor

Quoted message said:

in their lives. To them there is no need to run, or be strong in any way.

I

Quoted message said:

can somewhat see their point, but don't agree about the way they have come
to that conclusion. Sure, these abilities may not be required in the

modern

Quoted message said:

world, but I believe the body needs activity to function properly.
Does this mean they have no valuable knowledge in other areas? No. If I
want advice concerning movies, wine to take to a friend's house for

supper,

Quoted message said:

or the best vehicle to purchase, I am all ears as to what they have to

say.

Quoted message said:

Newsgroups, as in real life, has a wide variety of people with different
views. I would love to be able to spew out mounds of valuable advise and
have everyone value my opinions. The truth is, it is just my opinion, and
others are entitled to their own.
About the only thing I don't like is when someone implies, or directly
questions my intelligence. I do my best to give sound advice in a way that
is not disrespectful of others. I have sometimes spent a few hours
researching or answering a lengthy post with my own lengthy replies. I

feel

Quoted message said:

sometimes as though it was a complete waste of my time.
I believe that for every poster, there is probably a dozen or more
lurkers. Not many will post a thankyou, but probably do appreciate the
knowledge of experienced dieters. It seems more likely that a person will
comment only if they disagree with the postings. I'm almost glad at times
when there isn't a subpost under mine. I then think; "Well, I guess what I
said wasn't too bad, there wasn't any negative replies."
There are many ASDLC members that haven't posted in a long time. They
probably feel as you do, that at times it is not worth the effort. It

would

Quoted message said:

probably be easier to blurt out a rude one liner, or just stay silent.
I often praise my daughter for being such a good, caring, and thoughtful
person (now anyways). I didn't realize until she pointed out to me one day
that I often tell her what to do when she makes a mistake. She felt that

she

Quoted message said:

was a bad kid that couldn't do anything right. How could she feel

otherwise?

Quoted message said:

I never said much if things were going well. What she felt wasn't how I
viewed her at all. Same as you.
Looking forward to reading more of your posts.

Thank you for the kind words.

When is the last time you lowered your bodyfat percentage?

--
You take stupid to a new level. -- MFW

"Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Cubit wrote:
:: "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
:: news:[email hidden]...
::: Cubit wrote:
:::::
::::: I'm starting to get an idea of what my burn rate is, in Fitday
::::: numbers. It seems to be somewhere around 1900 calories per day.
::::: This seems so huge after so many months at 1400, and then 1200
::::: calories per day.
::
::
::
::: I seem to remember commenting on a maintenance level of about 2000
::: calories per day a couple of week ago....to which you countered
::: (ie, attacked) by saying you'd gain a pound a week if you ate that
::: much. Tsk, tsk...
::
:: In a context of the OP's low carb "diet," which I took to be a
:: weightloss effort and not maintenance, I said:
::
:: "Add some minimal carbs and you are talking 2250. At my BMI, I
:: would gain a pound a week with calories like that. 2100 "ain't
:: much" only if you weigh 400 pounds."
::
:: At the time I thought my burn rate was 1800. 2250 minus 1800 is 450.
:: Multiply by 7 days and you have 3150. 3500 is a pound, so I wasn't
:: that far off.
::
:: If you were telling people to try to lose weight at 2100 calories
:: per day, I was right to take exception.

If you weren't so bent on being right all the time, you'd realize that
lots of folks can lose at 2100 calories per day, especially if they are
willing to exercise. Here you are maintaining at almost 13x
bodyweight....there are lots of 210+ lbs folks who'd lose just fine at
2100.

Do you have any evidence to back that up?

Many top authorities believe that the intake can be averaged out over
several days.

--
You take stupid to a new level. -- MFW

"J. David Anderson" <jdavidanderson_@hotmail> wrote in message
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Not so in fact.

This is why you need to eat frequent small meals when body building. There
is a finite limit as to how much you can absorb in one sitting.

JC Der Koenig said:

Do you have any evidence to back that up?

Yep.

Quoted message said:

Many top authorities believe that the intake can be averaged out over
several days.

Regards

David

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"J. David Anderson" <jdavidanderson_@hotmail> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

JC Der Koenig said:

Do you have any evidence to back that up?

Yep.

Quoted message said:

Nope. What you have is conjecture based on correlation, rather than
evidence based on causation.