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  1. I don't often do this, but here's a post on the DragonDoor
    strength/conditioning forum I think most of us could stand to read, on
    the subject of trying to find the "perfect" workout. The author, Steve
    Maxwell, is someone who walks the walk as both teacher and performer -
    he's a multi-time world champion wrestler, but he's also coached world
    champions and has a reputation for creating workouts to any sport or
    activity you can think of.

    http://tinyurl.com/d9knd

    or

    http://forum.dragondoor.com/training/message/360590?kbid=1022

    -S-
    http://www.kbnj.com

  2. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Steve Freides said:

    I don't often do this, but here's a post on the DragonDoor
    strength/conditioning forum I think most of us could stand to read, on
    the subject of trying to find the "perfect" workout. The author, Steve
    Maxwell, is someone who walks the walk as both teacher and performer -
    he's a multi-time world champion wrestler, but he's also coached world
    champions and has a reputation for creating workouts to any sport or
    activity you can think of.

    http://tinyurl.com/d9knd

    or

    http://forum.dragondoor.com/training/message/360590?kbid=1022

    -S-
    http://www.kbnj.com

    You worry too much!
    I go to the gym to have fun as I happen to _like_ weight lifting,
    so I'm not going to agonize over the "perfect" workout.

    Sorry! ;-)
    --
    Om.

    "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

  3. "OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Steve Freides said:

    I don't often do this, but here's a post on the DragonDoor
    strength/conditioning forum I think most of us could stand to read,
    on
    the subject of trying to find the "perfect" workout. The author,
    Steve
    Maxwell, is someone who walks the walk as both teacher and
    performer -
    he's a multi-time world champion wrestler, but he's also coached
    world
    champions and has a reputation for creating workouts to any sport or
    activity you can think of.

    http://tinyurl.com/d9knd

    or

    http://forum.dragondoor.com/training/message/360590?kbid=1022

    -S-
    http://www.kbnj.com

    You worry too much!
    I go to the gym to have fun as I happen to _like_ weight lifting,
    so I'm not going to agonize over the "perfect" workout.

    Good for you! But I think you're in the minority.

    We see so many posts here like: should I do a this-day split or a
    that-day split, should I do this before that, and the like, accompanied
    by vague goals like "I want to get more definition and I wouldn't mind a
    little more size but I don't want to be huge or anything" - more
    specific goals and less specific training minutae would benefit these
    people, IMHO.

    Just my opinion.

    -S-
    http://www.kbnj.com

    Quoted message said:

    Sorry! ;-)
    --
    Om.

    "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack
    Nicholson

  4. "Steve Freides" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    "OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:
    Steve Freides said:

    I don't often do this, but here's a post on the DragonDoor
    strength/conditioning forum I think most of us could stand to read, on
    the subject of trying to find the "perfect" workout. The author, Steve
    Maxwell, is someone who walks the walk as both teacher and performer -
    he's a multi-time world champion wrestler, but he's also coached world
    champions and has a reputation for creating workouts to any sport or
    activity you can think of.
    http://tinyurl.com/d9knd
    or
    http://forum.dragondoor.com/training/message/360590?kbid=1022

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    You worry too much!
    I go to the gym to have fun as I happen to _like_ weight lifting,
    so I'm not going to agonize over the "perfect" workout.

    Good for you! But I think you're in the minority.

    I don't think so. Those who worry a lot about the details of their workouts
    are prone to post questions about it, and those of us who take life a little
    less seriously don't post such questions.

    We are the Silent Majority.

    David

  5. "Steve Freides" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    "OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:
    Steve Freides said:

    I don't often do this, but here's a post on the DragonDoor
    strength/conditioning forum I think most of us could stand to read, on
    the subject of trying to find the "perfect" workout. The author, Steve
    Maxwell, is someone who walks the walk as both teacher and performer -
    he's a multi-time world champion wrestler, but he's also coached world
    champions and has a reputation for creating workouts to any sport or
    activity you can think of.
    http://tinyurl.com/d9knd
    or
    http://forum.dragondoor.com/training/message/360590?kbid=1022

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    You worry too much!
    I go to the gym to have fun as I happen to _like_ weight lifting,
    so I'm not going to agonize over the "perfect" workout.

    Good for you! But I think you're in the minority.

    I don't think so. Those who worry a lot about the details of their workouts
    are prone to post questions about it, and those of us who take life a little
    less seriously don't post such questions.

    We are the Silent Majority.

    David

  6. In article <[email hidden]>,

    David Cohen said:

    "Steve Freides" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    "OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    "Steve Freides" <[email hidden]> wrote:
    > I don't often do this, but here's a post on the DragonDoor
    > strength/conditioning forum I think most of us could stand to read, on
    > the subject of trying to find the "perfect" workout. The author, Steve
    > Maxwell, is someone who walks the walk as both teacher and performer -
    > he's a multi-time world champion wrestler, but he's also coached world
    > champions and has a reputation for creating workouts to any sport or
    > activity you can think of.
    > http://tinyurl.com/d9knd
    > or
    > http://forum.dragondoor.com/training/message/360590?kbid=1022

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    You worry too much!
    I go to the gym to have fun as I happen to _like_ weight lifting,
    so I'm not going to agonize over the "perfect" workout.

    Good for you! But I think you're in the minority.

    I don't think so. Those who worry a lot about the details of their workouts
    are prone to post questions about it, and those of us who take life a little
    less seriously don't post such questions.

    We are the Silent Majority.

    David

    Now why didn't _I_ think of that? :-)
    --
    Om.

    "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

  7. In article <[email hidden]>,

    David Cohen said:

    "Steve Freides" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    "OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    "Steve Freides" <[email hidden]> wrote:
    > I don't often do this, but here's a post on the DragonDoor
    > strength/conditioning forum I think most of us could stand to read, on
    > the subject of trying to find the "perfect" workout. The author, Steve
    > Maxwell, is someone who walks the walk as both teacher and performer -
    > he's a multi-time world champion wrestler, but he's also coached world
    > champions and has a reputation for creating workouts to any sport or
    > activity you can think of.
    > http://tinyurl.com/d9knd
    > or
    > http://forum.dragondoor.com/training/message/360590?kbid=1022

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    You worry too much!
    I go to the gym to have fun as I happen to _like_ weight lifting,
    so I'm not going to agonize over the "perfect" workout.

    Good for you! But I think you're in the minority.

    I don't think so. Those who worry a lot about the details of their workouts
    are prone to post questions about it, and those of us who take life a little
    less seriously don't post such questions.

    We are the Silent Majority.

    David

    Now why didn't _I_ think of that? :-)
    --
    Om.

    "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

  8. "David Cohen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Steve Freides" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    "OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    "Steve Freides" <[email hidden]> wrote:
    > I don't often do this, but here's a post on the DragonDoor
    > strength/conditioning forum I think most of us could stand to read,
    > on
    > the subject of trying to find the "perfect" workout. The author,
    > Steve
    > Maxwell, is someone who walks the walk as both teacher and
    > performer -
    > he's a multi-time world champion wrestler, but he's also coached
    > world
    > champions and has a reputation for creating workouts to any sport
    > or
    > activity you can think of.
    > http://tinyurl.com/d9knd
    > or
    > http://forum.dragondoor.com/training/message/360590?kbid=1022

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    You worry too much!
    I go to the gym to have fun as I happen to _like_ weight lifting,
    so I'm not going to agonize over the "perfect" workout.

    Good for you! But I think you're in the minority.

    I don't think so. Those who worry a lot about the details of their
    workouts are prone to post questions about it, and those of us who
    take life a little less seriously don't post such questions.

    We are the Silent Majority.

    Good point.

    For anyone interested, my training log is at the link below.

    -S-
    http://www.kbnj.com/log.htm

    Quoted message said:

    David

  9. "David Cohen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Steve Freides" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    "OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    "Steve Freides" <[email hidden]> wrote:
    > I don't often do this, but here's a post on the DragonDoor
    > strength/conditioning forum I think most of us could stand to read,
    > on
    > the subject of trying to find the "perfect" workout. The author,
    > Steve
    > Maxwell, is someone who walks the walk as both teacher and
    > performer -
    > he's a multi-time world champion wrestler, but he's also coached
    > world
    > champions and has a reputation for creating workouts to any sport
    > or
    > activity you can think of.
    > http://tinyurl.com/d9knd
    > or
    > http://forum.dragondoor.com/training/message/360590?kbid=1022

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    You worry too much!
    I go to the gym to have fun as I happen to _like_ weight lifting,
    so I'm not going to agonize over the "perfect" workout.

    Good for you! But I think you're in the minority.

    I don't think so. Those who worry a lot about the details of their
    workouts are prone to post questions about it, and those of us who
    take life a little less seriously don't post such questions.

    We are the Silent Majority.

    Good point.

    For anyone interested, my training log is at the link below.

    -S-
    http://www.kbnj.com/log.htm

    Quoted message said:

    David

  10. "Steve Freides" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    "David Cohen" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    "Steve Freides" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    "OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote
    > "Steve Freides" <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >> I don't often do this, but here's a post on the DragonDoor
    >> strength/conditioning forum I think most of us could stand to read, on
    >> the subject of trying to find the "perfect" workout. The author,
    >> Steve
    >> Maxwell, is someone who walks the walk as both teacher and performer -
    >> he's a multi-time world champion wrestler, but he's also coached world
    >> champions and has a reputation for creating workouts to any sport or
    >> activity you can think of.
    >> http://tinyurl.com/d9knd
    >> or
    >> http://forum.dragondoor.com/training/message/360590?kbid=1022

    Quoted message said:

    > You worry too much!
    > I go to the gym to have fun as I happen to _like_ weight lifting,
    > so I'm not going to agonize over the "perfect" workout.

    Good for you! But I think you're in the minority.

    I don't think so. Those who worry a lot about the details of their
    workouts are prone to post questions about it, and those of us who take
    life a little less seriously don't post such questions.

    We are the Silent Majority.

    Good point.

    For anyone interested, my training log is at the link below.

    -S-
    http://www.kbnj.com/log.htm

    If some people "worry a lot about the details of their workouts", what about
    those who publish their training logs? What are the psychological
    implications? I don't know. Where's Jack Darkes when you need him?

    David

  11. "Steve Freides" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    "David Cohen" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    "Steve Freides" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    "OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote
    > "Steve Freides" <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >> I don't often do this, but here's a post on the DragonDoor
    >> strength/conditioning forum I think most of us could stand to read, on
    >> the subject of trying to find the "perfect" workout. The author,
    >> Steve
    >> Maxwell, is someone who walks the walk as both teacher and performer -
    >> he's a multi-time world champion wrestler, but he's also coached world
    >> champions and has a reputation for creating workouts to any sport or
    >> activity you can think of.
    >> http://tinyurl.com/d9knd
    >> or
    >> http://forum.dragondoor.com/training/message/360590?kbid=1022

    Quoted message said:

    > You worry too much!
    > I go to the gym to have fun as I happen to _like_ weight lifting,
    > so I'm not going to agonize over the "perfect" workout.

    Good for you! But I think you're in the minority.

    I don't think so. Those who worry a lot about the details of their
    workouts are prone to post questions about it, and those of us who take
    life a little less seriously don't post such questions.

    We are the Silent Majority.

    Good point.

    For anyone interested, my training log is at the link below.

    -S-
    http://www.kbnj.com/log.htm

    If some people "worry a lot about the details of their workouts", what about
    those who publish their training logs? What are the psychological
    implications? I don't know. Where's Jack Darkes when you need him?

    David

  12. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Steve Freides said:

    I don't often do this, but here's a post on the DragonDoor
    strength/conditioning forum I think most of us could stand to read, on
    the subject of trying to find the "perfect" workout. The author, Steve
    Maxwell, is someone who walks the walk as both teacher and performer -
    he's a multi-time world champion wrestler, but he's also coached world
    champions and has a reputation for creating workouts to any sport or
    activity you can think of.

    http://tinyurl.com/d9knd

    or

    http://forum.dragondoor.com/training/message/360590?kbid=1022

    A couple of people I know (and respect) design their workouts
    randomly: they assign different exercises to each card in a deck, draw
    a card, and do what it says. (NB: "different exercises" can be
    different numbers of reps: one assigns 4 different katas, one per
    suit, and uses the number to perform that kata that many times. The
    face cards are something different.)

    Seth
    --
    Who cares? Shut up and lift. -- Watson (the pencil neck) Davis

  13. David Cohen said:


    "Steve Freides" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:


    For anyone interested, my training log is at the link below.

    -S-
    http://www.kbnj.com/log.htm

    If some people "worry a lot about the details of their workouts", what about
    those who publish their training logs? What are the psychological
    implications? I don't know. Where's Jack Darkes when you need him?

    Well, I think that Jack avoids a certain web forum where *everybody*
    seems to publish their training logs, leading to immense threads on
    that subject.

    Of course, you would never frequent such a place. 😉

  14. In article <[email hidden]>,

    (Seth Breidbart) said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Steve Freides said:

    I don't often do this, but here's a post on the DragonDoor
    strength/conditioning forum I think most of us could stand to read, on
    the subject of trying to find the "perfect" workout. The author, Steve
    Maxwell, is someone who walks the walk as both teacher and performer -
    he's a multi-time world champion wrestler, but he's also coached world
    champions and has a reputation for creating workouts to any sport or
    activity you can think of.

    http://tinyurl.com/d9knd

    or

    http://forum.dragondoor.com/training/message/360590?kbid=1022

    A couple of people I know (and respect) design their workouts
    randomly: they assign different exercises to each card in a deck, draw
    a card, and do what it says. (NB: "different exercises" can be
    different numbers of reps: one assigns 4 different katas, one per
    suit, and uses the number to perform that kata that many times. The
    face cards are something different.)

    Seth

    I like that idea. :-)
    --
    Om.

    "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

  15. "OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    (Seth Breidbart) said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Steve Freides said:

    I don't often do this, but here's a post on the DragonDoor
    strength/conditioning forum I think most of us could stand to read,
    on
    the subject of trying to find the "perfect" workout. The author,
    Steve
    Maxwell, is someone who walks the walk as both teacher and
    performer -
    he's a multi-time world champion wrestler, but he's also coached
    world
    champions and has a reputation for creating workouts to any sport or
    activity you can think of.

    http://tinyurl.com/d9knd

    or

    http://forum.dragondoor.com/training/message/360590?kbid=1022

    A couple of people I know (and respect) design their workouts
    randomly: they assign different exercises to each card in a deck,
    draw
    a card, and do what it says. (NB: "different exercises" can be
    different numbers of reps: one assigns 4 different katas, one per
    suit, and uses the number to perform that kata that many times. The
    face cards are something different.)

    Seth

    I like that idea. :-)

    It is a fine idea if your goals are general; my goals are specific -
    back health, bigger numbers in a few specific lifts, increased
    flexibility - and therefore it's not the best approach for me. It would
    be, however, a fine change of pace for me during an "off season". I'm
    hoping to pull at a meet in December so I'm starting to pay more
    attention to my DL these days.

    -S-
    http://www.kbnj.com

    Quoted message said:

    --
    Om.

    "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack
    Nicholson

  16. JMW said:
    David Cohen said:

    "Steve Freides" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    For anyone interested, my training log is at the link below.

    -S-
    http://www.kbnj.com/log.htm

    If some people "worry a lot about the details of their workouts", what about
    those who publish their training logs? What are the psychological
    implications? I don't know. Where's Jack Darkes when you need him?

    Well, I think that Jack avoids a certain web forum where *everybody*
    seems to publish their training logs, leading to immense threads on
    that subject.

    Of course, you would never frequent such a place. 😉

    Well, if I did, hypothetically, frequent such a place, I would
    certainly skip the training log forum, and the music forum with Jim's
    deliriums.

    David

  17. David Cohen said:
    JMW said:
    David Cohen said:

    "Steve Freides" <[email hidden]> wrote
    > For anyone interested, my training log is at the link below.
    >
    > -S-
    > http://www.kbnj.com/log.htm

    If some people "worry a lot about the details of their workouts", what about
    those who publish their training logs? What are the psychological
    implications? I don't know. Where's Jack Darkes when you need him?

    Well, I think that Jack avoids a certain web forum where *everybody*
    seems to publish their training logs, leading to immense threads on
    that subject.

    Of course, you would never frequent such a place. 😉

    Well, if I did, hypothetically, frequent such a place, I would
    certainly skip the training log forum, and the music forum with Jim's
    deliriums.

    Oh. You would hang out in the shoe forum with the chick who has the
    gay boyfriend?

  18. In article <[email hidden]>,

    David Cohen said:
    JMW said:
    David Cohen said:

    "Steve Freides" <[email hidden]> wrote
    > For anyone interested, my training log is at the link below.
    >
    > -S-
    > http://www.kbnj.com/log.htm

    If some people "worry a lot about the details of their workouts", what
    about
    those who publish their training logs? What are the psychological
    implications? I don't know. Where's Jack Darkes when you need him?

    Well, I think that Jack avoids a certain web forum where *everybody*
    seems to publish their training logs, leading to immense threads on
    that subject.

    Of course, you would never frequent such a place. 😉

    Well, if I did, hypothetically, frequent such a place, I would
    certainly skip the training log forum, and the music forum with Jim's
    deliriums.

    I published my training log on MFW for a few months...

    Lyle darn near died. I can't use 'x' around him anymore. As in

    5x3@495

    But I don't think it was from a hedonistic psyche thing-a-ma-jooger.

    --
    Keith

  19. "JMW" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    David Cohen said:
    JMW said:

    "David Cohen" <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >"Steve Freides" <[email hidden]> wrote
    >> For anyone interested, my training log is at the link below.
    >>
    >> -S-
    >> http://www.kbnj.com/log.htm
    >
    >If some people "worry a lot about the details of their workouts", what
    >about
    >those who publish their training logs? What are the psychological
    >implications? I don't know. Where's Jack Darkes when you need him?

    Well, I think that Jack avoids a certain web forum where *everybody*
    seems to publish their training logs, leading to immense threads on
    that subject.

    Of course, you would never frequent such a place. 😉

    Well, if I did, hypothetically, frequent such a place, I would
    certainly skip the training log forum, and the music forum with Jim's
    deliriums.

    Oh. You would hang out in the shoe forum with the chick who has the
    gay boyfriend?

    Yes.

    David

  20. David Cohen said:

    "JMW" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Well, if I did, hypothetically, frequent such a place, I would
    certainly skip the training log forum, and the music forum with Jim's
    deliriums.

    Oh. You would hang out in the shoe forum with the chick who has the
    gay boyfriend?

    Yes.

    David

    A. is gay? Why did no one ever tell me this before?

    And why doesn't he post here, if that's the case?

    Dally

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