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  1. I'm interested to know how some master's clubs might be coordinated with
    their local kid's age-group clubs. It appears to me that the carry over
    from the age-group clubs to swimming master's is very low and I'm
    wondering why that is. Does anyone have some good experience with club
    activities that might counter this trend?

    Do you think if the kids were encouraged to try some swim related sports
    like triathlon, water polo or surf-guard events it might help keep them
    connected to swimming after the competitive swim seasons are done? Perhaps
    we could bring in a guest coach or attend an introductory meet, like a
    Try-a-Tri as a club.

  2. mike said:

    I'm interested to know how some master's clubs might be coordinated with
    their local kid's age-group clubs. It appears to me that the carry over
    from the age-group clubs to swimming master's is very low and I'm
    wondering why that is. Does anyone have some good experience with club
    activities that might counter this trend?

    Do you think if the kids were encouraged to try some swim related sports
    like triathlon, water polo or surf-guard events it might help keep them
    connected to swimming after the competitive swim seasons are done? Perhaps
    we could bring in a guest coach or attend an introductory meet, like a
    Try-a-Tri as a club.


    Given the schedules of kids swimming
    practices and the truly mind-boggling
    routines at college level, burn-out is
    inevitable. Probably a good thing, too,
    so swimmers can get a life. There's a
    considerable migration to masters after
    age 35, at least for women.

    rtk

  3. Burn out is indeed a large problem. As a former age group swimmer
    turned coach and (lazy) master's swimmer I see a lot of my peers slowly
    returning to the pool after a decade or more.

    Sometimes after working so hard, sacrificing so much, it's truly hard
    to kinda just hang around part time.

    That being said at a few of the programs I've worked with we've tried
    to form a little tighter ties between the master's and the highschool
    kids. If for no other reason then to offer a realistic migration path
    for those kids who will never make a national team. Read: virtually
    everyone who can't realisticly expect to sacrifice 20-30 hours a week
    to, and warp the other 140 odd hours around, your sport.

    Some mixed results.

    It's really hard to get adults and kids to the pool at the same time
    and, unless you've handled it well and have a good group, it's hard not
    to make someone in at least one camp feel put on or slighted. It takes
    a lot for some parents to have their asses handed to them by the
    -warmup_ their kids breezed through. it's even worse when a 12 year old
    woorks like a horse and can't hold a candle to a middle aged, pumpkin
    shaped, exnational finalist who hasn't so much as gone wading in 30
    years.

    When it does work though it can be a lot of fun. Lots of work, but very
    rewarding. Swimming is (or should be) for life.

    --Mike

  4. I think many programs just struggle to provide enough pool time for their
    age group/senior teams, without adding in another 2hours/day. I'd love to
    get in a masters group with our team, but sadly, we're already bursting at
    the seams, and filling our pools all evening til 8pm. Masters can be a great
    source of revenue (sorry that sounds so mercenary), but unless you have the
    staff and lanes to run one, its just not an option.

  5. mike said:

    I'm interested to know how some master's clubs might be coordinated with
    their local kid's age-group clubs. It appears to me that the carry over
    from the age-group clubs to swimming master's is very low and I'm
    wondering why that is. Does anyone have some good experience with club
    activities that might counter this trend?

    Do you think if the kids were encouraged to try some swim related sports
    like triathlon, water polo or surf-guard events it might help keep them
    connected to swimming after the competitive swim seasons are done? Perhaps
    we could bring in a guest coach or attend an introductory meet, like a
    Try-a-Tri as a club.

    Whatever you do, for most people college is going to come between kids'
    swimming and adult swimming. And that means either NCAA or not doing it
    at all. If it's NCAA, they may come out of college burnt out and want a
    break. If it's not doing it at all, they've already taken a break.
    Either way, they won't just move directly from kids' swimming to adult
    swimming - they're going to stop and have to start again.

    Still, if an effort is made to connect kids' swimming with adult
    swimming, it might help kids to realize that swimming doesn't have to
    stop once they reach adulthood. From what I've seen, though, we have a
    long way to go before this happens. At the pool where I do my
    practices, kids who are into competitive swimming and adults who are
    into competitive swimming rarely even talk to each other. Still, it is
    now possible for USA Swimming and U.S. Masters Swimming to run joint
    meets, and that might provide a way for adults and kids who are into
    competitive swimming to at least meet each other.

    Bob

  6. "Robert W. McAdams" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    mike said:
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    Still, if an effort is made to connect kids' swimming with adult swimming,
    it might help kids to realize that swimming doesn't have to stop once they
    reach adulthood. From what I've seen, though, we have a long way to go
    before this happens. At the pool where I do my practices, kids who are
    into competitive swimming and adults who are into competitive swimming
    rarely even talk to each other. Still, it is now possible for USA
    Swimming and U.S. Masters Swimming to run joint meets, and that might
    provide a way for adults and kids who are into competitive swimming to at
    least meet each other.

    I've seen a number of combined kids/Masters meets in Australia and none of
    them were all that inspiring. They can work "once" and you do see some of
    the kids jaws drop when they see some of the adults perform. The major
    problem is that the cultures of the two bodies are too different: Masters
    swimmers don't have parents running around after them, Masters meets are
    usually less regimented, kids and adults in the main talk about different
    things, different senses of humour and so on.

    King Frog

  7. Robert W. McAdams said:
    mike said:

    I'm interested to know how some master's clubs might be coordinated with
    their local kid's age-group clubs. It appears to me that the carry over
    from the age-group clubs to swimming master's is very low and I'm
    wondering why that is. Does anyone have some good experience with club
    activities that might counter this trend?

    Do you think if the kids were encouraged to try some swim related sports
    like triathlon, water polo or surf-guard events it might help keep them
    connected to swimming after the competitive swim seasons are done? Perhaps
    we could bring in a guest coach or attend an introductory meet, like a
    Try-a-Tri as a club.

    Whatever you do, for most people college is going to come between kids'
    swimming and adult swimming. And that means either NCAA or not doing it
    at all.

    Most people in North America, you mean.

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