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  1. You should do your aerobibs first thing in the morning before eating
    breakfast, since at this point your muscles glycogen stores are
    depleted and thus your body is forced to use stored fat as energy!
    Furthermore, your metabolic rate can stay elevated for as long as 18
    hours, provided you do not go to sleep! So, there are the two very good
    reasons to do your aerobis in the morning.

    Aerobics should be vigorous, or even interval type strenuous training.
    Admittedly, this type of rigorous training does use mainly glycogen
    (carbs) as energy (if available), but after the workaout it uses a lot
    more fat than does less demanding aerobic exercise! So, the total fat
    use is probably even higher! And, it uses much more energy per time
    than less demanding aerobic exercise, so at least those carbs have no
    wya of being stored as fat since they are used. So, to use an egual
    amount of calories (fat and carbs), do you want to do aerobics for an
    hour or 20 minutes? The choise is yours! And with this kind of intense
    interwal training you will have a much better cardiovascular condition,
    which means you can train harder at the gym as well!

    As for carbs, consume most of your daily carbs at breakfast and lunch
    and make sure they are of the slow and fibrous kind! Do not consume any
    carbs after 8pm, unless you have been weight training that evening! In
    that case, all the carbs will likely be used to replenish used muscle
    glycogen stores. This is good!

    Caution! Vigorous aerobics might affect muscle gains negatively,
    specifically in the muscles that are used for that aerobics (usually
    lower body, that is).

    A good and effective workout could be to take a light barbell and do
    deep squats, power cleans (end jerks) and barbell rows a few long (20
    reps) sets back to bac without any pause ien between! The more muscle
    mass you use, the more calories you burn and the more you elevate your
    metabolic rate (which stays elevated for quite some time)!

  2. max said:

    You should do your aerobibs first thing in the morning before eating
    breakfast, since at this point your muscles glycogen stores are
    depleted and thus your body is forced to use stored fat as energy!
    Furthermore, your metabolic rate can stay elevated for as long as 18
    hours, provided you do not go to sleep! So, there are the two very
    good reasons to do your aerobis in the morning.

    Not true.

    Quoted message said:

    Aerobics should be vigorous, or even interval type strenuous training.
    Admittedly, this type of rigorous training does use mainly glycogen
    (carbs) as energy (if available), but after the workaout it uses a lot
    more fat than does less demanding aerobic exercise! So, the total fat
    use is probably even higher! And, it uses much more energy per time
    than less demanding aerobic exercise, so at least those carbs have no
    wya of being stored as fat since they are used. So, to use an egual
    amount of calories (fat and carbs), do you want to do aerobics for an
    hour or 20 minutes? The choise is yours! And with this kind of intense
    interwal training you will have a much better cardiovascular
    condition, which means you can train harder at the gym as well!

    Right plan (assuming you're dealing with someone who doesn't do too much
    aerobic work), wrong reason.

    Quoted message said:

    As for carbs, consume most of your daily carbs at breakfast and lunch
    and make sure they are of the slow and fibrous kind! Do not consume
    any carbs after 8pm, unless you have been weight training that
    evening! In that case, all the carbs will likely be used to replenish
    used muscle glycogen stores. This is good!

    Can be useful if you're dieting, but not for the reason you give (actually
    you'd do this because it makes you less hungry so easier to stick to the
    diet).

    Quoted message said:

    Caution! Vigorous aerobics might affect muscle gains negatively,
    specifically in the muscles that are used for that aerobics (usually
    lower body, that is).

    A good and effective workout could be to take a light barbell and do
    deep squats, power cleans (end jerks) and barbell rows a few long (20
    reps) sets back to bac without any pause ien between! The more muscle
    mass you use, the more calories you burn and the more you elevate your
    metabolic rate (which stays elevated for quite some time)!

    Only if you're reasonably strong but not very fit (so, OK, most of this
    group).

    Peter

  3. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Peter Allen said:
    max said:

    You should do your aerobibs first thing in the morning before eating
    breakfast, since at this point your muscles glycogen stores are
    depleted and thus your body is forced to use stored fat as energy!
    Furthermore, your metabolic rate can stay elevated for as long as 18
    hours, provided you do not go to sleep! So, there are the two very
    good reasons to do your aerobis in the morning.

    Not true.

    Quoted message said:

    Aerobics should be vigorous, or even interval type strenuous training.
    Admittedly, this type of rigorous training does use mainly glycogen
    (carbs) as energy (if available), but after the workaout it uses a lot
    more fat than does less demanding aerobic exercise! So, the total fat
    use is probably even higher! And, it uses much more energy per time
    than less demanding aerobic exercise, so at least those carbs have no
    wya of being stored as fat since they are used. So, to use an egual
    amount of calories (fat and carbs), do you want to do aerobics for an
    hour or 20 minutes? The choise is yours! And with this kind of intense
    interwal training you will have a much better cardiovascular
    condition, which means you can train harder at the gym as well!

    Right plan (assuming you're dealing with someone who doesn't do too much
    aerobic work), wrong reason.

    Quoted message said:

    As for carbs, consume most of your daily carbs at breakfast and lunch
    and make sure they are of the slow and fibrous kind! Do not consume
    any carbs after 8pm, unless you have been weight training that
    evening! In that case, all the carbs will likely be used to replenish
    used muscle glycogen stores. This is good!

    Can be useful if you're dieting, but not for the reason you give (actually
    you'd do this because it makes you less hungry so easier to stick to the
    diet).

    Quoted message said:

    Caution! Vigorous aerobics might affect muscle gains negatively,
    specifically in the muscles that are used for that aerobics (usually
    lower body, that is).

    A good and effective workout could be to take a light barbell and do
    deep squats, power cleans (end jerks) and barbell rows a few long (20
    reps) sets back to bac without any pause ien between! The more muscle
    mass you use, the more calories you burn and the more you elevate your
    metabolic rate (which stays elevated for quite some time)!

    Only if you're reasonably strong but not very fit (so, OK, most of this
    group).

    Fit for what?

    --
    Keith

  4. Hobbes said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Peter Allen said:
    max said:

    You should do your aerobibs first thing in the morning before eating
    breakfast, since at this point your muscles glycogen stores are
    depleted and thus your body is forced to use stored fat as energy!
    Furthermore, your metabolic rate can stay elevated for as long as 18
    hours, provided you do not go to sleep! So, there are the two very
    good reasons to do your aerobis in the morning.

    Not true.

    Quoted message said:

    Aerobics should be vigorous, or even interval type strenuous
    training. Admittedly, this type of rigorous training does use
    mainly glycogen (carbs) as energy (if available), but after the
    workaout it uses a lot more fat than does less demanding aerobic
    exercise! So, the total fat use is probably even higher! And, it
    uses much more energy per time than less demanding aerobic
    exercise, so at least those carbs have no wya of being stored as
    fat since they are used. So, to use an egual amount of calories
    (fat and carbs), do you want to do aerobics for an hour or 20
    minutes? The choise is yours! And with this kind of intense
    interwal training you will have a much better cardiovascular
    condition, which means you can train harder at the gym as well!

    Right plan (assuming you're dealing with someone who doesn't do too
    much aerobic work), wrong reason.

    Quoted message said:

    As for carbs, consume most of your daily carbs at breakfast and
    lunch and make sure they are of the slow and fibrous kind! Do not
    consume any carbs after 8pm, unless you have been weight training
    that evening! In that case, all the carbs will likely be used to
    replenish used muscle glycogen stores. This is good!

    Can be useful if you're dieting, but not for the reason you give
    (actually you'd do this because it makes you less hungry so easier
    to stick to the diet).

    Quoted message said:

    Caution! Vigorous aerobics might affect muscle gains negatively,
    specifically in the muscles that are used for that aerobics (usually
    lower body, that is).

    A good and effective workout could be to take a light barbell and do
    deep squats, power cleans (end jerks) and barbell rows a few long
    (20 reps) sets back to bac without any pause ien between! The more
    muscle mass you use, the more calories you burn and the more you
    elevate your metabolic rate (which stays elevated for quite some
    time)!

    Only if you're reasonably strong but not very fit (so, OK, most of
    this group).

    Fit for what?

    Aerobically... you know what I meant. A weightlifter may be very fit for
    lifting weights, but their VO2max output might be only like 300W or
    something.

    Peter

  5. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Peter Allen said:
    Hobbes said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Peter Allen said:

    max wrote:
    > You should do your aerobibs first thing in the morning before eating
    > breakfast, since at this point your muscles glycogen stores are
    > depleted and thus your body is forced to use stored fat as energy!
    > Furthermore, your metabolic rate can stay elevated for as long as 18
    > hours, provided you do not go to sleep! So, there are the two very
    > good reasons to do your aerobis in the morning.

    Not true.

    > Aerobics should be vigorous, or even interval type strenuous
    > training. Admittedly, this type of rigorous training does use
    > mainly glycogen (carbs) as energy (if available), but after the
    > workaout it uses a lot more fat than does less demanding aerobic
    > exercise! So, the total fat use is probably even higher! And, it
    > uses much more energy per time than less demanding aerobic
    > exercise, so at least those carbs have no wya of being stored as
    > fat since they are used. So, to use an egual amount of calories
    > (fat and carbs), do you want to do aerobics for an hour or 20
    > minutes? The choise is yours! And with this kind of intense
    > interwal training you will have a much better cardiovascular
    > condition, which means you can train harder at the gym as well!

    Right plan (assuming you're dealing with someone who doesn't do too
    much aerobic work), wrong reason.

    > As for carbs, consume most of your daily carbs at breakfast and
    > lunch and make sure they are of the slow and fibrous kind! Do not
    > consume any carbs after 8pm, unless you have been weight training
    > that evening! In that case, all the carbs will likely be used to
    > replenish used muscle glycogen stores. This is good!

    Can be useful if you're dieting, but not for the reason you give
    (actually you'd do this because it makes you less hungry so easier
    to stick to the diet).

    > Caution! Vigorous aerobics might affect muscle gains negatively,
    > specifically in the muscles that are used for that aerobics (usually
    > lower body, that is).
    >
    > A good and effective workout could be to take a light barbell and do
    > deep squats, power cleans (end jerks) and barbell rows a few long
    > (20 reps) sets back to bac without any pause ien between! The more
    > muscle mass you use, the more calories you burn and the more you
    > elevate your metabolic rate (which stays elevated for quite some
    > time)!

    Only if you're reasonably strong but not very fit (so, OK, most of
    this group).

    Fit for what?

    Aerobically... you know what I meant. A weightlifter may be very fit for
    lifting weights, but their VO2max output might be only like 300W or
    something.

    Yeah. But you also know what I meant.

    Plus I've run marathons (well, two is marathon_s_ I guess). I'm fitter
    right now than when I ran the marathons, for most activities. For
    example my rugby game was pretty good this summer until I separated my
    shoulder.

    --
    Keith

  6. "Hobbes" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:


    Plus I've run marathons (well, two is marathon_s_ I guess). I'm fitter
    right now than when I ran the marathons, for most activities. For
    example my rugby game was pretty good this summer until I separated my
    shoulder.


    Ouch!

    What effect does a shoulder separation have on olympic lifting?

  7. On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 08:13:29 -0600, Hobbes <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Plus I've run marathons (well, two is marathon_s_ I guess). I'm fitter
    right now than when I ran the marathons, for most activities

    You are an idiot.
    TBR

    "As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and
    more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day
    the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the
    White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
    H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
    "Anyone with degrees from Yale and Harvard is presumed to be intelligent,
    but George W. Bush has managed to overcome that presumption."

  8. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Lee Michaels said:

    "Hobbes" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:


    Plus I've run marathons (well, two is marathon_s_ I guess). I'm fitter
    right now than when I ran the marathons, for most activities. For
    example my rugby game was pretty good this summer until I separated my
    shoulder.


    Ouch!

    What effect does a shoulder separation have on olympic lifting?

    It was a minor separation - no torn ligaments, just stretched.

    But obviously the overhead work has suffered. The clean and [censored] are
    down from just running all summer. I tried pressing the other day and
    managed a few reps with the empty bar relatively pain free. So it is
    coming.

    For now I'm focusing on squats and pulls. As long as I don't take the
    bar overhead I'm okay. I'm pressing light and when that starts to
    improve I'll start working on the catch and jerks.

    --
    Keith

  9. In article <[email hidden]>,

    The Bill Rodgers said:

    On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 08:13:29 -0600, Hobbes <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Plus I've run marathons (well, two is marathon_s_ I guess). I'm fitter
    right now than when I ran the marathons, for most activities

    You are an idiot.

    Running distance isn't the healthiest of activities. Strength, speed and
    flexibility all suffer as a result of the focus on endurance. My knees
    and hips paid a price for distance running. It took me a couple of years
    to get my knees back into decent shape.

    --
    Keith

  10. On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 09:31:14 -0600, Hobbes <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Running distance isn't the healthiest of activities. Strength, speed and
    flexibility all suffer as a result of the focus on endurance. My knees
    and hips paid a price for distance running. It took me a couple of years
    to get my knees back into decent shape.

    To be fit running cannot be beat. You A) have a back problem causing
    those problems, or B) you had the wrong shoes for your feet/style.
    TBR

    "As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and
    more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day
    the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the
    White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
    H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
    "Anyone with degrees from Yale and Harvard is presumed to be intelligent,
    but George W. Bush has managed to overcome that presumption."

  11. In article <[email hidden]>,

    The Bill Rodgers said:

    On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 09:31:14 -0600, Hobbes <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Running distance isn't the healthiest of activities. Strength, speed and
    flexibility all suffer as a result of the focus on endurance. My knees
    and hips paid a price for distance running. It took me a couple of years
    to get my knees back into decent shape.

    To be fit running cannot be beat. You A) have a back problem causing
    those problems, or B) you had the wrong shoes for your feet/style.

    No back problem that I'm aware of. The problem was very strong, tight
    hamstrings pulling the knee out of alignment.

    I still run - but I do sprints and intervals now rather than long slow
    running. Also remember that I have a high proportion of fast-twitch
    versus slow-twitch muscle. I'm not genetically suited for distance
    running.

    --
    Keith

  12. On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 19:14:30 -0600, Hobbes <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    No back problem that I'm aware of. The problem was very strong, tight
    hamstrings pulling the knee out of alignment.

    The key words are "that you are aware of" because something caused
    your problems. Either shoes, spinal alignment, or a physical defect,
    but it's not a naturally occuring problem with others, therefore you
    were doing something wrong.

    Quoted message said:

    I still run - but I do sprints and intervals now rather than long slow
    running. Also remember that I have a high proportion of fast-twitch
    versus slow-twitch muscle. I'm not genetically suited for distance
    running.

    Interesting, I'd expect fast running to give you more problems. But I
    do agree that when you train specifically for endurance, but this is
    true of almost any sport.
    TBR

    "As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and
    more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day
    the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the
    White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
    H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
    "Anyone with degrees from Yale and Harvard is presumed to be intelligent,
    but George W. Bush has managed to overcome that presumption."

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