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  1. My 20 year old daughter is planning a long walking trip of
    several months and we have just started looking around at
    Rucksacks, Backpacks, that might be suitable and comfortable
    and waterproof etc.

    The 'outdoor' shops seem to plug a particular brand and
    offer conflicting advice, from assistants that are too young
    or too inexperienced to *know*, so I was just wondering if
    the combined wisdom of folks on this group might be able to
    give some snippets of their wisdom in helping to choose a
    Rucksack that might help us arrive at the 'perfect' choice.
    Gadjets or mechanisms to avoid and pointers to look out for
    when choosing would be a great help.

    We've read the recent thread "What size rucksack?" so have
    picked up a few pointers from there. We've also been 'Google-
    ing' and have seen items such as this

    This Rucksack with wheels ... beaversports.co.uk-beaversports.co.uk-
    /catalogue/rucksacks/rucksacks.htm

    or any of the ones listed here, Berghaus, Karrimor, etc
    ... edirectory.co.uk5
    5/ca1256.html

    or the women's one (second one down on this page) ...
    hard2buy4.comi 11697.html

    --
    Thanks ..... Trevor George, Bristol, UK. onmywindow.co.ukonmywindow.co.uk

  2. Trevor George said:

    My 20 year old daughter is planning a long walking trip of
    several months and we have just started looking around at
    Rucksack, Backpacks, that might be suitable and
    comfortable and waterproof etc.

    The 'outdoor' shops seem to plug a particular brand
    and offer


    conflictexpeditionce, from assistants that are too young or
    too inexperienced to *know*,

    Quoted message said:

    so I was just wondering if the combined wisdom of folks on
    this group might be able to give some snippets of their
    wisdom in helping to choose a Rucksack that might help us
    arrive at the 'perfect' choice. Gadgets or mechanisms to
    avoid and pointers to look out for when choosing would be
    a great help.

    We've read the recent thread "What size rucksack?" so have
    picked up a few pointers from there. We've also been 'Goole-
    ing' and have seen items such as this

    This Rucksack with wheels ... beaversports.co.-beaversports.co.-
    uk/catalogue/rucksacks/rucksacks.htm

    or any of the ones listed here, Berghaus, Karrimor, etc
    ... edirectory.co.uk5
    5/ca1256.html

    or the women's one (second one down on this page) ...
    hard2buy4.comi 11697.html

    --
    Thanks ..... Trevor George, Bristol, UK.
    onmywindow.co.ukonmywindow.co.uk

    Depends on what you want it for ! if you will only ever use
    on a car train plane then any will do . If you intend to
    carry it for 8 hrs a day for three months I would recommend
    at least 65 ltr and a good make ie Karrimor berghaus
    Macpack etc .

    Make sure they have a lap strap as well as a comfortable
    back system . I would expect to pay at least £150, the
    cheap ones from Millets etc are not comfortable enough to
    carry day in day out despite what they will assure you.

    I personally would only ever buy Karrimor or Berghaus as
    they of excellent quality and very durable .I last bought a
    Karrimor (65lt) rucksack 10 years ago and the one before
    that 25 years ago both are still very usable but the new on
    is allot more comfortable to carry all day .

    My new big rucksack is 100 ltr which I got cheap from the
    Karrimor seconds shop, which I have used about three times
    since. It is great for backpacking with the kitchen sink as
    well it's so big you could almost sleep in it. I would not
    have bought something that big if it was not cheap It is
    really an expedition sac but what can do allot can do a
    little as well.
    --
    Certified Microsoft free Checked with Suse 9.1

  3. Bit of a generalisation there about assistants. Many of
    them, although young, are very experienced
    climbers/mountaineers with knowledge of what is good and
    what is bad gear. Every time I go into Brigham's in
    Liverpool and ask a question about gear I get good sound
    advice from the assistants.

    Mike Mason "Trevor George" <[email hidden]>
    wrote in message news:MZfwc.363$WN6.5803028@news-
    text.cableinet.net...

    Quoted message said:

    My 20 year old daughter is planning a long walking trip of
    several months and we have just started looking around at
    Rucksacks, Backpacks, that


    might

    Quoted message said:

    be suitable and comfortable and waterproof etc.

    The 'outdoor' shops seem to plug a particular brand and
    offer conflicting advice, from assistants that are too
    young or too inexperienced to *know*, so I was just
    wondering if the combined wisdom of folks on this group


    might

    Quoted message said:

    be able to give some snippets of their wisdom in
    helping to choose a Rucksack that might help us arrive
    at the 'perfect' choice. Gadjets or mechanisms to avoid
    and pointers to look out for when choosing would be a
    great help.

    We've read the recent thread "What size rucksack?" so have
    picked up a few pointers from there. We've also been 'Google-
    ing' and have seen items such as this

    This Rucksack with wheels ... beaversports.co.-beaversports.co.-
    uk/catalogue/rucksacks/rucksacks.htm

    or any of the ones listed here, Berghaus, Karrimor, etc
    ... edirectory.co.uk5
    5/ca1256.html

    or the women's one (second one down on this page) ...
    hard2buy4.comi 11697.html

    --
    Thanks ..... Trevor George, Bristol, UK.
    onmywindow.co.ukonmywindow.co.uk

  4. In article <[email hidden]>,
    [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:

    My 20 year old daughter is planning a long walking trip of
    several months and we have just started looking around at
    Rucksacks, Backpacks, that might be suitable and
    comfortable and waterproof etc.

    The 'outdoor' shops seem to plug a particular brand and
    offer conflicting advice, from assistants that are too
    young or too inexperienced to *know*, so I was just
    wondering if the combined wisdom of folks on this group
    might be able to give some snippets of their wisdom in
    helping to choose a Rucksack that might help us arrive
    at the 'perfect' choice. Gadjets or mechanisms to avoid
    and pointers to look out for when choosing would be a
    great help.

    We've read the recent thread "What size rucksack?" so have
    picked up a few pointers from there. We've also been 'Google-
    ing' and have seen items such as this

    I'm sure other people will offer the advice on size etc
    based on usage and how much it will be carried, is it an
    accompanied walking trip where the kit is carried separately
    for example?

    What I would say is how tall and large (no offense) framed
    is your daughter. I'm 6 foot 5/6 but my white bergus looks
    daft on my 5 foot 3 fiancee!

    I would buy the best you can buy as it really will pay
    off. Depending on the load it might be worth your daughter
    doing some pre-training? We're off on a little hike in the
    summer so we filled the backpacks and took them out for
    15-16 miles today just to get our shoulders used to them
    again. Incidentally we did the Europe thing after Uni for
    a month (I think) and 65 litres was fine for me and 55
    litres fine for my lady. Depends on what you are prepared
    to cope without.

    Half the stuff twice the money.
    --
    For recipes, cooking tips and recommended butchers
    sausagefans.comsausagefans.com

  5. In article <[email hidden]>,
    [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:

    What I would say is how tall and large (no offense) framed
    is your daughter. I'm 6 foot 5/6 but my white bergus looks
    daft on my 5 foot 3 fiancee!

    Goodness knows how my spell checker changed 65 litre
    to "white"!
    --
    For recipes, cooking tips and recommended butchers
    sausagefans.comsausagefans.com

  6. Quoted message said:

    Bit of a generalisation there about assistants. Many of
    them, although young, are very experienced
    climbers/mountaineers with knowledge of what


    is

    Quoted message said:

    good and what is bad gear. Every time I go into Brigham's
    in Liverpool and ask a question about gear I get good
    sound advice from the assistants.

    Agree fully with that sentiment.

    A month ago I was moved to write a letter of commendation
    to Ellis Brigham about the knowledge and excellent customer
    service from their staff in the Deansgate, Manchester
    store. They were first class and I thought they deserved a
    pat on the back.

    --
    Dave Newton

    Lake District walk&image site daves-lakeland-daves-lakeland-
    mountains.co.uk

  7. I didn't quite know where to put this in the thread, but
    it's just to say thanks to all contributors.

    It's been a great help in assessing what she needs.

    We must have encountered a 'stand-in' assistant on the
    Saturday when we visited our local 'Outdoor' supplier, as
    we've had some very useful help on our return visit there.

    Maybe they read the post :-)

    --
    Thanks ..... Trevor George, Bristol, UK. onmywindow.co.ukonmywindow.co.uk

  8. Trevor George said:

    My 20 year old daughter is planning a long walking trip of
    several months and we have just started looking around at
    Rucksacks, Backpacks, that might be suitable and
    comfortable and waterproof etc.

    It depends exactly what she has in mind. If it's walking
    around wild places largely unsupported or if it's walking
    around a selection of great cities then I'd personally use
    rather different packs for the job.

    So, if you can define "a long walking trip of several
    months" a bit more closely we can probably provide some
    more help!

    But beyond that... There's one very good way to decide what
    packs are comfy, and that's to try them on with an
    approximate travel weight loaded inside (this is also the
    best way to assess size: if you try and put what you intend
    to carry inside you'll know if it fits or not). It will be
    self evident which is most comfortable, and because
    different packs fit different bodies better it's far more
    reliable than someone else saying "I like Brand X". While
    not doubting that they do, it doesn't necessarily mean that
    another person will fit Brand X's gear well.

    As for waterproofing, there are a few out there that are
    genuinely waterproof (various (but not all!) models from Vau
    De, Craghoppers and Ortlieb, for example), but for the most
    part although packs are made of waterproof fabrics they leak
    through the seams, so the more seams the less waterproof. To
    keep contents dry use either internal waterproof liners
    (binliners will do, but they tend to rip easily so
    personally I use and recommend rather tougher purpose built
    liner sacks) and/or an external raincover.

    Quoted message said:

    Gadjets or mechanisms to avoid and pointers to look out
    for when choosing would be a great help.

    Again, this depends on the exact format.

    Quoted message said:

    This Rucksack with wheels ... beaversports.co.-beaversports.co.-
    uk/catalogue/rucksacks/rucksacks.htm

    Great for wheeling around airports and the overall format
    means it'll be fairly easy to pack and unpack and keep
    clothes presentable. Probably well suited to a holiday with
    lots of urban stops connected by flights. Of rather less use
    on a mountain track where the wheels and stiffening for them
    are just dead weight. Eagle Creek do a fairly well thought
    of range of these.

    Quoted message said:

    or any of the ones listed here, Berghaus, Karrimor, etc
    ... edirectory.co.uk5
    5/ca1256.html

    or the women's one (second one down on this page) ...
    hard2buy4.comi 11697.html

    The Usual Suspects listed above, in women's shapes and not,
    are all down to try them on with weight in and see how they
    fit. Women's fit bags take the general anatomical
    differences into account, but that isn't necessarily a win
    as not only are women different from men, but also from one
    another! my girlfriend is taller than I am and relatively
    broad across the shoulders compared to Ms. U.K. Average, and
    I don't think her big pack is a women's model as the men's
    generally fit her better. Try things on to be sure.

    For more general info on what packs may work well for
    different things have a butchers at
    personal.dundee.ac.ukpacks.htm and see
    if there's anything there that helps.

    Beyond the pack, there's what to put in it. Fortunately
    "travel gear"
    is /in/ right now and everyone is falling over themselves to
    provide clothes that are not only fine for walking
    in but pack small, wash easily, dry fast and won't
    have you looking like a refugee from Everest Base
    Camp if you need to look smart (pleading your case
    on an international border to a bureaucrat in the
    wrong language may well work better if you're
    presentably smart by his standards). Rohan
    (www.rohan.co.uk) are probably the archetype, but by
    no means the only game in town. Shop around and see
    what fits and is affordable.

    Pete
    --
    Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer Tel 44 1382 660111
    ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital Fax 44 1382
    640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK net
    [email hidden] dundee.ac.uk~pjclinch

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    several months and we have just started looking around at
    Rucksacks, Backpacks, that mig=


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    be able to give some snippets of their wisdom in
    helping to choose a Rucksack that might help us arrive
    at the 'perfect' choice. Gadjets or mechanisms to avoid
    and pointers to look out for when choosing would be a
    great help.
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    or the women's one (second one down on this page) ...
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    --
    Thanks ..... Trevor George, Bristol, UK.
    onmywindow.co.ukonmywindow.co.uk
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    Start with the basics...

    She's female so will want the shorter back of the
    ladies models ( unless=20 she is tall and has a long
    back of course)

    After that what sort of load will she be carrrying?

    defines size

    How will she be carrying it? On her back all the time on/off
    transport? Does she need wheels and the=20 ability to hide
    the shoulder straps?

    What does she want to pay and how long do you want it to
    last?

    The "names" do last longer but cost more, will it be binned
    after one=20 year or possibly after a few weeks, maybe it's
    worth buying a =A325 one=20 every few months.=20

    Ask your self the questions collate the answers and you will
    probably=20 have made your choice by then.

  10. Peter Clinch wrote in message ...

    Quoted message said:

    So, if you can define "a long walking trip of several
    months" a bit more closely we can probably provide some
    more help!

    Peter, I'm away from home at the mo, but I really appreciate
    all you have written in response and I'll read it more
    fully, when I'm not paying these "Internet Cafe" charges.

    Cheers ..... Trevor George, Bristol, UK.
    onmywindow.co.ukonmywindow.co.uk

  11. In article <[email hidden]>,
    marc <marccdimspamremovedimspamto
    [email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    In article <MZfwc.363$WN6.5803028@news-
    text.cableinet.net>,=20
    [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:

    My 20 year old daughter is planning a long walking trip
    of several months and we have just started looking
    around at Rucksacks, Backpacks, that mig=


    ht

    Quoted message said:

    be suitable and comfortable and waterproof etc.
    =20
    The 'outdoor' shops seem to plug a particular brand and
    offer conflicting advice, from assistants that are too
    young or too inexperienced to *know*=


    ,

    Quoted message said:

    so I was just wondering if the combined wisdom of folks
    on this group mig=


    ht

    Quoted message said:

    be able to give some snippets of their wisdom in
    helping to choose a Rucksack that might help us arrive
    at the 'perfect' choice. Gadjets or mechanisms to avoid
    and pointers to look out for when choosing would be a
    great help.
    =20
    We've read the recent thread "What size rucksack?" so
    have picked up a fe=


    w

    Quoted message said:

    pointers from there. We've also been 'Google-ing' and
    have seen items suc=


    h

    Quoted message said:

    as this
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    This Rucksack with wheels ... beaversports.c-beaversports.c-
    o.uk/catalogue/rucksacks/rucksacks.htm
    =20
    or any of the ones listed here, Berghaus, Karrimor, etc
    ... edirectory.co.ukstatic
    /55/ca1256.html
    =20
    or the women's one (second one down on this page) ...
    hard2buy4.comi 11697.html
    =20
    --
    Thanks ..... Trevor George, Bristol, UK.
    onmywindow.co.ukonmywindow.co.uk
    =20 20 20 20


    Start with the basics...

    She's female so will want the shorter back of the
    ladies models ( unless=20 she is tall and has a long
    back of course)

    After that what sort of load will she be carrrying?

    defines size

    How will she be carrying it? On her back all the time
    on/off transport? Does she need wheels and the=20 ability
    to hide the shoulder straps?

    What does she want to pay and how long do you want it
    to last?

    The "names" do last longer but cost more, will it be
    binned after one=20 year or possibly after a few weeks,
    maybe it's worth buying a =A325 one=20 every few
    months.=20

    Ask your self the questions collate the answers and you
    will probably=20 have made your choice by then.

    If the intended use is in a hot environment and the intent
    is to do quite a bit of walking, you might consider a
    'framed' version. Cooler on the back.

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