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  1. Want to buy a bike for keeping fit - but gently - not
    mountainbiking! I haven't owned a bike for 20 yrs so not
    sure what to look for. Can anyone tell me what might be
    wrong with this one...

    argos.co.ukProductDis
    play?storeId=1000 1&langId=-1&catalogId=1751&productId=84002

    has an aluminium frame, so I assume it's probably light,
    which is what I want & it's a respectable brand. Could I get
    one with these attributes (light, good suspension) for less?
    I notice it doesn't have mudguards but I'm not expecting to
    go out in the rain so guess that doesn't matter.

    Thanks, Dulcie

  2. Sounds like you are between what is commonly called a
    "Comfort" bike and a "Hybrid". A comfort bike is pretty much
    what you have shown with the link you provided. A hybrid
    will move just a smidge toward performance, but still be
    quite comfortable to ride on roads. Neither of these should
    be considered for any but the most mild offroad riding.

    Personally, I would suggest NOT looking for suspension.
    For an inexpensive bike, it wont work well, and will
    weigh down the bike - ultimately making the bike more
    difficult to ride.

    Mudguards as you call them can be added to most any bike in
    one way or another, but I would agree that you will probably
    be happier starting without them.

    Bottom line, spend as much as you feel comfortable spending
    on the bike itself. Make sure it fits and is comfortable to
    ride. I would suggest looking at your local bike shop
    instead of the discount stores since even though you may
    pay a few dollars more, they will make sure the bike fits
    and is tuned up for you while you learn the sport / hobby
    of bike riding 🙂

    Below the bottom line..... Just have fun!

    Dulcie said:

    1&langId=-1&catalogId=1751&productId=84002

  3. "Dan Brussee" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Personally, I would suggest NOT looking for suspension.
    For an inexpensive bike, it wont work well, and will weigh
    down the bike - ultimately making the bike more difficult
    to ride.

    What do you mean by 'inexpensive'? - about the price of the
    one I gave the link for? What would I have to pay for a bike
    with reasonable suspension?

    Quoted message said:

    I would suggest looking at your local bike shop instead of
    the discount stores since even though you may pay a few
    dollars more, they will make sure the bike fits and is
    tuned up for you while you learn the sport / hobby of bike
    riding 🙂<<

    I would do, but I have quite bad allergic type reactions to
    the petrochemical rubber smell that always seems to permeate
    these shops. It would be easier just to order one.

    Quoted message said:

    Below the bottom line..... Just have fun!

    I hope I will!

    Thanks dulcie

  4. I have not seen any comfort bikes with suspension that is
    worth it's extra weight. Remember, of course this is just my
    opinion. I know on a mountain bike until you get into the 4
    to 5 hundred dollar range, the suspension is barely useful.
    I have Trek 4500 and the forks do ok, but no great shakes.

    As for the smelly bike shops, look around some more. The
    older shops are definitely in that category around here too,
    but there are newer shops around that are more customer
    oriented and are much cleaner - at least up front 🙂

    Where do you live? Maybe there are people who can make
    specific suggestions on shops. By the way, depending on what
    level of riding you are going to do, you might consider a
    lightweight cruiser style. Definitely comfortable, but only
    for a relatively short ride (short for people who typically
    haunt this group anyway). I doubt you would enjoy the ride
    after 10 to 12 miles.

    Dulcie said:


    "Dan Brussee" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Personally, I would suggest NOT looking for suspension.
    For an inexpensive bike, it wont work well, and will
    weigh down the bike - ultimately making the bike more
    difficult to ride.

    What do you mean by 'inexpensive'? - about the price of the
    one I gave the link for? What would I have to pay for a
    bike with reasonable suspension?

    Quoted message said:

    I would suggest looking at your local bike shop instead of
    the discount stores since even though you may pay a few
    dollars more, they will make sure the bike fits and is
    tuned up for you while you learn the sport / hobby of bike
    riding 🙂<<

    I would do, but I have quite bad allergic type reactions to
    the petrochemical rubber smell that always seems to
    permeate these shops. It would be easier just to order one.

    Quoted message said:

    Below the bottom line..... Just have fun!

    I hope I will!

    Thanks dulcie

  5. "Dan Brussee" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    but there are newer shops around that are more customer
    oriented and are much cleaner - at least up front 🙂<<

    There are 2 bike shops round here, but both smell like a
    tyre factory..

    Quoted message said:

    Where do you live?<

    In the UK nr. Reading.

    Quoted message said:

    By the way, depending on what level of riding you are
    going to do, you might consider a lightweight cruiser
    style. Definitely comfortable, but only for a relatively
    short ride (short for people who typically haunt this
    group anyway). I doubt you would enjoy the ride after 10
    to 12 miles.<

    How come they're more comfortable, but uncomfortable after
    12 miles? I assume they're lighter, so easier in that sense,
    but lack of suspension means you get 'all shook up' after a
    while? :-)

    Dulcie

  6. In article <tNY2c.4744$sq2.1523@newsfe2-
    gui.server.ntli.net>, [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:


    "Dan Brussee" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    but there are newer shops around that are more customer
    oriented and are much cleaner - at least up front 🙂<<

    There are 2 bike shops round here, but both smell like a
    tyre factory..

    Quoted message said:

    Where do you live?<

    In the UK nr. Reading.

    Quoted message said:

    By the way, depending on what level of riding you are
    going to do, you might consider a lightweight cruiser
    style. Definitely comfortable, but only for a relatively
    short ride (short for people who typically haunt this
    group anyway). I doubt you would enjoy the ride after 10
    to 12 miles.<

    How come they're more comfortable, but uncomfortable after
    12 miles? I assume they're lighter, so easier in that
    sense, but lack of suspension means you get 'all shook up'
    after a while? :-)

    The soft padding on a "comfort" saddle means that you sink
    into it, which causes pressure on the blood vessels and
    nerves in that area (the area away from your sit bones).
    AFter a while, that can cause numbness and extreme
    discomfort which is not there when you first sit down.

    --
    Remove the ns_ from if replying by e-mail (but keep posts in
    the newsgroups if possible).

  7. "David Kerber" <ns_dkerber@ns_ids.net> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    The soft padding on a "comfort" saddle means that you sink
    into it, which causes pressure on the blood vessels and
    nerves in that area (the area away from your sit bones).
    AFter a while, that can cause numbness and extreme
    discomfort which is not there when you first sit down.

    Good tip - thanks 🙂

  8. A petrochemical smell in bike shops? Hmm I guess my years of
    working in laboratories with all sorts of organic solvents
    has left me inured to it. I got to the point where I found
    the odor of some solvents definitely pleasant, but I never
    indulged in sniffing them. I am not THAT stupid.

    Quite a few things are sold as "comfort" bikes. I have even
    seen road bikes marketed that way.

    Personally, I would recommend a road bike if you think you
    may get involved in cycling for anything more then very
    modest distances and if you have any inclinations at all
    to performance. They are far more efficient and I think
    more comfortable too. They can LOOK intimidating though.
    The thing is that some people get bitten by the "bug" and
    end up riding far more and far farther then they ever
    thought possible.

    The thing is to look for a bike that fits you well. That is
    where a good bike shop comes in. The people there should
    take some care and make sure that the bike fits you. The
    brands are not that important. The components (the
    deraillers, cranks, brakes, shifters etc) are pretty much
    all made by shimano or campy. The brand is usually the
    company that makes the frame. At the same price, the
    difference between brand A and brand B is the frame and they
    both have the same stuff hanging on it. The 2 bikes might
    have a subtly different ride but the difference is not
    profound. Shoot a good mechanic can make a decent bike in a
    garage with the right tubing and a welding torch. Making a
    decent frame is not that hard for a well capitalized
    company. Again, a good bike shop will not carry anything
    there that is good.

    I would just suggest giving road bikes a look and try test
    riding one if they don't intimidate you too much.

    I know, if I were starting out now, I would be attracted to
    hybrids and "comfort" bikes also. I was just lucky, when I
    got in it was getting a road bike or getting a road bike.

  9. On Mon, 8 Mar 2004 11:21:34 -0000, "Dulcie" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:


    "Dan Brussee" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    but there are newer shops around that are more customer
    oriented and are much cleaner - at least up front 🙂<<

    There are 2 bike shops round here, but both smell like a
    tyre factory..

    There are probably more, and at least one of them won't
    smell. Halfords' or Argos are unlikely to get you a bicycle
    you'll be happy with, long-term. They are usually badly-
    assembled and much,much heavier than quality bicycles. A
    quality bicycle, while costing a bit more, is a lot more
    fun to ride.

    More to the point, nobody will help fit you to a bike at
    Halfords' or Argos. You order it and that's that. You are
    unlikely to continue riding if you buy an ill-fitting
    bicycle. As a regular around here (a shop owner) will
    undoubtedly tell you, the most expensive bicycle you buy is
    the one you never use.

    Remember that you'll probably be wanting mudguards and
    a lock as well, at the very least. And lights, so
    budget for that.

    Quoted message said:

    How come they're more comfortable, but uncomfortable after
    12 miles? I assume they're lighter, so easier in that
    sense, but lack of suspension means you get 'all shook up'
    after a while? :-)

    You only get 'all shook up' if you're riding Roman roads,
    with original cobbles, and two thousand years of ruts.

    the tyres absorb most of the shock. remember you are also
    *riding* the bicycle, not merely sitting on it--proper
    position on the bicycle and a relaxed manner whilst riding
    will absorb shock as well. The remainder isn't really
    anything to worry about.

    As far as the big squidgy saddles go: avoid avoid avoid. If
    you're only going a few hundred yards, they're fine. But as
    you start building time in the saddle, you sink into the
    foam (think of what happens when you've been on the sofa for
    a long time). At the start of the ride, you are being
    supported by two bones on your pelvis. By the end, you have
    sunk deep enough into the saddle to be supported by the
    unprintable soft bits that usually have a great deal of
    nerve endings to numb and/or irritate. Definitely *not* the
    best way to go.

    Don't be suckered by claims that Aluminium is
    automatically 'lighter' than steel or whatever. There are
    lots of variables at work here, of which material is only
    one. Remember, which is heavier--a tonne of feathers or a
    tonne of lead?

    For further helpful and more locally-relevant advice, drop a
    post over on uk.rec.cycling

    you'll probably get specific shop information.

    -Luigi

  10. On Mon, 8 Mar 2004 11:21:34 -0000, "Dulcie" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    By the way, depending on what level of riding you are
    going to do, you might consider a lightweight cruiser
    style. Definitely comfortable, but only for a relatively
    short ride (short for people who typically haunt this
    group anyway). I doubt you would enjoy the ride after 10
    to 12 miles.<

    How come they're more comfortable, but uncomfortable after
    12 miles? I assume they're lighter, so easier in that
    sense, but lack of suspension means you get 'all shook up'
    after a while? :-)

    Dulcie

    Along with the soft seat, the basic position that these
    bikes put you in is not very good for comfortable riding.
    For example, an upright posture means that your butt muscles
    aren't contributing much- the basic angle is wrong for these
    muscles to exert much force. And flat handlebars put your
    lower arms and wrist at an angle that is both uncomfortable
    and, again, doesn't allow your arms to play their most
    efficient role in powering the bike as they could.

    It's a series of small things like this that leads to
    tightness and being uncomfortable after a certain time on
    the bike. And causes these designs to take more energy to
    ride the same distance.

    Then again, if someone is uncomfortable when they first get
    on the bike, they may never ride 12 miles in the first
    place. Better to get a bike that you enjoy riding right now
    and learn its limits over time than to get a bike that is
    uncomfortable and ends up sitting in the corner.

  11. "Pbwalther" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    A petrochemical smell in bike shops? Hmm I guess my years
    of working in laboratories with all sorts of organic
    solvents has left me inured to


    it.<<

    Strange medical condition- I could explain but I'd be here
    for weeks..

    Quoted message said:

    but I never indulged in sniffing them. I am not THAT
    stupid.<

    well that's a relief - stoned and in charge of a bicycle?..
    you'd be a menace to polite society =o)

    Quoted message said:

    The components (the deraillers, cranks, brakes, shifters
    etc) are pretty much all made by


    shimano

    Quoted message said:

    or campy. <<

    I've noticed that..

    Quoted message said:

    I would just suggest giving road bikes a look and try test
    riding one if


    they

    Quoted message said:

    don't intimidate you too much.

    worth thinking about...

    Thanks dulcie

  12. ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Luigi de Guzman" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    But as you start building time in the saddle, you sink into
    the foam (think of what happens when you've been on the
    sofa for a long time). <

    Oh yes! Will avoid squidgy saddles.

    Quoted message said:

    Don't be suckered by claims that Aluminium is
    automatically 'lighter' than steel or whatever. There are
    lots of variables at work here,<<

    That had occurred to me, but w/out spending a lot of time in
    a bike shop lifting bikes around it's going to be difficult
    to tell which might be lighter - even then I'm not sure
    you'd notice unless there was a big difference... perhaps
    there isn't these days I don't know.

    Quoted message said:

    For further helpful and more locally-relevant advice, drop
    a post over on uk.rec.cycling

    I'll take a look, thanks..

    Dulcie

  13. On Mon, 8 Mar 2004 15:58:27 -0000, "Dulcie" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:


    ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luigi de Guzman"
    <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    But as you start building time in the saddle, you sink
    into the foam (think of what happens when you've been on
    the sofa for a long time). <

    Oh yes! Will avoid squidgy saddles.

    Quoted message said:

    Don't be suckered by claims that Aluminium is
    automatically 'lighter' than steel or whatever. There are
    lots of variables at work here,<<

    That had occurred to me, but w/out spending a lot of time
    in a bike shop lifting bikes around it's going to be
    difficult to tell which might be lighter - even then I'm
    not sure you'd notice unless there was a big difference...
    perhaps there isn't these days I don't know.

    the single biggest difference will be between the sort of
    thing you get at Halfords' and any quality bike shop cycle.
    In your price range, they are all quite competitive.

    I've been out of the UK for a year, but as I recall:

    If you *must* order online, the Edinburgh Bicycle
    Cooperative (www.edinburgh-cycle.co.uk) have a really nice
    bike in the Courier--well-reviewed in CyclingPlus. I've also
    seen a fair number of these in regular use in London. I've
    never actually ridden one myself, though.

    A mate of mine has a Ridgeback Cyclone
    (www.ridgebackbikes.co.uk) and really likes it.

    Those two are about UKP 260 each, incl. VAT but excl.
    mudguards, lights, and lock (which are more or less
    ncessary)

    If you've got the dosh, there are really nice German bikes
    by Fahrrad Manufaktur ("Bicycle Factory."😉. These are
    pricier but come fully-equipped w/ mudguards I believe.

    This sort of cycle is probably your best bet: versatile,
    durable, simple to maintain. And not punishingly heavy.

    -Luigi

  14. Luigi de Guzman said:

    If you *must* order online, the Edinburgh Bicycle
    Cooperative (www.edinburgh-cycle.co.uk)

    That's edinburgh-bicycle.co.ukedinburgh-bicycle.co.uk

    --
    Keith Willoughby flat222.orgkeith Fair and Balanced
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  15. Keith Willoughby said:
    Luigi de Guzman said:

    If you *must* order online, the Edinburgh Bicycle
    Cooperative (www.edinburgh-cycle.co.uk)

    That's edinburgh-bicycle.co.ukedinburgh-bicycle.co.uk

    ugh. yes that's right. stupid typos.

  16. Luigi de Guzman said:
    Keith Willoughby said:
    Luigi de Guzman said:

    If you *must* order online, the Edinburgh Bicycle
    Cooperative (www.edinburgh-cycle.co.uk)

    That's edinburgh-bicycle.co.ukedinburgh-bicycle.co.uk

    ugh. yes that's right. stupid typos.

    From their web site, they also seem to be producing their
    own models. The Courier and Country 2003 models look really
    sound and reasonable for the price.

  17. Jacques Moser said:
    Luigi de Guzman said:
    Keith Willoughby said:

    <Luigi de Guzman> wrote:
    > If you *must* order online, the Edinburgh Bicycle
    > Cooperative (www.edinburgh-cycle.co.uk)

    That's edinburgh-bicycle.co.ukedinburgh-bicycle.co.uk

    ugh. yes that's right. stupid typos.

    From their web site, they also seem to be producing their
    own models. The Courier and Country 2003 models look really
    sound and reasonable for the price.

    Hence my recommendation of the Courier. I've actually seen
    them around London and they're excellent bikes.

    The name is no accident; there are a lot of London bike
    couriers who have been modifying MTBs for courier work in
    just such a fashion (the single chainring, tyres, etc.).
    They look like pretty sturdy pieces of work.

    But then, the other half of the couriers in London all seem
    to be riding Condor racing or track frames.

    -Luigi

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