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  1. Remedy that worked extremely well: Wash area stung with soap and warm water. Apply neat TCP(see
    below). The pain was effectively gone in a couple of hours, about six hours later the welts
    were gone too.

    This was the treatment I applied after I had received a really bad second sting in two days. I was
    about 100m out body surfing, and had popped about half a dozen blue bottles (I assume they sink when
    the air sac is popped - maybe not, and this is why I got stung). I am always careful when surfacing
    after diving under a wave as I am really scared of getting stung near my eyes, but this one got me
    while I was swimming (head up, water-polo style) against the sidewash in clear water. It got me
    across my cheek, neck, chest, under the arm and across the shoulder blade. I scraped it off
    furiously for a few seconds (never did see the air sac) then struck off for the beach. I had had a
    bad sting two days before (see below) so was worried that I might get a limb seizure as I had
    previously.

    Read the rest of this message... (55 more lines) *** THIS IS RECOMMENDED IF YOU WANT THE FULL
    DETAILS OF THE REMEDY ***

    Once on land I asked at the life-guard tower for some vinegar (this is provided at beaches at the
    Great Barrier reef for same - I will quote an article tomorrow that claims this is ineffective,
    which suggested meat tenderizer instead {I remember when I was a child my father used to say use paw-
    paw skin, apparently some enzyme therein helps}). The life guards had a tube of white cream, I asked
    to see what it was, the name was not memorable - something pretty generic and uninformative. I most
    remember them asking me to leave the tower as I was dripping on their floor!

    I made speed back to the holiday flat, fortunately only a few minutes fast walk. By now my cheek and
    underarm were stinging violently. Once there I did not try any of the previous remedy that had not
    worked, instead took a warm bath and soaped off all the stinging areas. On a whim I tried neat TCP,
    applied liberally to all these areas. TCP is an antiseptic product produced by Pfizer Laboratories,
    containing 6% Chlorinated Phenol 2% Phenol (Isn't this the stuff mothballs are made of - it
    certainly smells thereof) 1% Iodinated Phenol ½% Sodium Salicylate.

    I am not sure whether it was the soapy wash or the TCP, but the results were dramatic compared with
    the previous treatment I attempted. As I said above, 6 hours later no pain and no marks.

    The previous sting referred to above, occurred when walking at the surf's edge on the beach. Being
    aware of blue bottle presence, I was watching out for them, and had been fishing them out and
    burying them. A lifeguard's opinion was that the stinging tails remain active for about 12 hours
    after removal from water - any one have corroboration of this or alternative information?

    Anyway, out of the blue I got a stinging tail wrapped around my ankle. The first priority was to get
    this off - no sticks or implements around so I scoured it off with sand (the article I will cite
    tomorrow also says this is a no-no, what else can one do though?). Then I got some ice from a beach
    vendor and held this on for about 10 minutes. The latter is my universal treatment for all injuries
    bar frost-bite, and generally it works very well, particularly for cuts, burns, bruises, insect
    bites etc.

    So I sat on the beach, watching everyone else continue swimming in blue bottle riddled water (as I
    was to do myself too, prior to the incident above) waiting for my remedy to take effect. Well it
    didn't, I started developing a mild seizure in my hamstring and also began to feel dizzy. I stuck
    this out for about 45 minutes, with the side effects getting worse, then decided to get back to
    flat. I doused it with methiolate there (a mercurochrome based product) and had a few cups of warm
    sugary tea, but it took most of the day before I felt up to doing anything, and it was painful for a
    couple of days.

    The contrast between the two recoveries astounded me. I realise one probably gets variation in
    virulence between bluebottles, but given the initial pain of the later sting being as much, if not
    more, pronounced than the sting on my ankle, I doubt this could explain the different reactions.

    The final anecdote I have was the only other time I had a serious blue bottle sting - the tail
    wrapped a couple of times round my forearm. I don't think I put anything on that, if anything it was
    only something like Dettol. I can't remember how long the stinging lasted, but the welt was visible
    for 8-10 days.

  2. Thanks for that Paul. I was also stung today...Lots of the blighters.... The worst I had was a few
    years ago when I had a blue bottle wash into my wetsuit. It was like whiplash across my neck and
    chest. I tried everything then. With not much luck. NZed

    "Paul Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Remedy that worked extremely well: Wash area stung with soap and warm water. Apply neat TCP(see
    below). The pain was effectively gone in a couple of hours, about six hours later the welts were
    gone too.

    This was the treatment I applied after I had received a really bad second sting in two days. I was
    about 100m out body surfing, and had popped about half a dozen blue bottles (I assume they sink
    when the air sac is popped - maybe not, and this is why I got stung). I am always careful when
    surfacing after diving under a wave as I am really scared of getting stung near my eyes, but this
    one got me while I was swimming (head up, water-polo style) against the sidewash in clear water.
    It got me across my cheek, neck, chest, under the arm and across the shoulder blade. I scraped it
    off furiously for a few seconds (never did see the air sac) then struck off for the beach. I had
    had a bad sting two days before (see below) so was worried that I might get a limb seizure as I
    had previously.

    Read the rest of this message... (55 more lines) *** THIS IS RECOMMENDED IF YOU WANT THE FULL
    DETAILS OF THE REMEDY ***

    Once on land I asked at the life-guard tower for some vinegar (this is provided at beaches at the
    Great Barrier reef for same - I will quote an article tomorrow that claims this is ineffective,
    which suggested meat tenderizer instead {I remember when I was a child my father used to say use
    paw-paw skin, apparently some enzyme therein helps}). The life guards had a tube of white cream, I
    asked to see what it was, the name was not memorable - something pretty generic and uninformative.
    I most remember them asking me to leave the tower as I was dripping on their floor!

    I made speed back to the holiday flat, fortunately only a few minutes fast walk. By now my cheek
    and underarm were stinging violently. Once there I did not try any of the previous remedy that had
    not worked, instead took a warm bath and soaped off all the stinging areas. On a whim I tried neat
    TCP, applied liberally to all these areas. TCP is an antiseptic product produced by Pfizer
    Laboratories, containing 6% Chlorinated Phenol 2% Phenol (Isn't this the stuff mothballs are made
    of - it certainly smells thereof) 1% Iodinated Phenol ½% Sodium Salicylate.

    I am not sure whether it was the soapy wash or the TCP, but the results were dramatic compared
    with the previous treatment I attempted. As I said above, 6 hours later no pain and no marks.

    The previous sting referred to above, occurred when walking at the surf's edge on the beach. Being
    aware of blue bottle presence, I was watching out for them, and had been fishing them out and
    burying them. A lifeguard's opinion was that the stinging tails remain active for about 12 hours
    after removal from water - any one have corroboration of this or alternative information?

    Anyway, out of the blue I got a stinging tail wrapped around my ankle. The first priority was to
    get this off - no sticks or implements around so I scoured it off with sand (the article I will
    cite tomorrow also says this is a no-no, what else can one do though?). Then I got some ice from a
    beach vendor and held this on for about 10 minutes. The latter is my universal treatment for all
    injuries bar frost-bite, and generally it works very well, particularly for cuts, burns, bruises,
    insect bites etc.

    So I sat on the beach, watching everyone else continue swimming in blue bottle riddled water (as I
    was to do myself too, prior to the incident above) waiting for my remedy to take effect. Well it
    didn't, I started developing a mild seizure in my hamstring and also began to feel dizzy. I stuck
    this out for about 45 minutes, with the side effects getting worse, then decided to get back to
    flat. I doused it with methiolate there (a mercurochrome based product) and had a few cups of warm
    sugary tea, but it took most of the day before I felt up to doing anything, and it was painful for
    a couple of days.

    The contrast between the two recoveries astounded me. I realise one probably gets variation in
    virulence between bluebottles, but given the initial pain of the later sting being as much, if not
    more, pronounced than the sting on my ankle, I doubt this could explain the different reactions.

    The final anecdote I have was the only other time I had a serious blue bottle sting - the tail
    wrapped a couple of times round my forearm. I don't think I put anything on that, if anything it
    was only something like Dettol. I can't remember how long the stinging lasted, but the welt was
    visible for 8-10 days.

  3. i heard that vinegar works well

    "Paul Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Remedy that worked extremely well: Wash area stung with soap and warm water. Apply neat TCP(see
    below). The pain was effectively gone in a couple of hours, about six hours later the welts were
    gone too.

    This was the treatment I applied after I had received a really bad second sting in two days. I was
    about 100m out body surfing, and had popped about half a dozen blue bottles (I assume they sink
    when the air sac is popped - maybe not, and this is why I got stung). I am always careful when
    surfacing after diving under a wave as I am really scared of getting stung near my eyes, but this
    one got me while I was swimming (head up, water-polo style) against the sidewash in clear water.
    It got me across my cheek, neck, chest, under the arm and across the shoulder blade. I scraped it
    off furiously for a few seconds (never did see the air sac) then struck off for the beach. I had
    had a bad sting two days before (see below) so was worried that I might get a limb seizure as I
    had previously.

    Read the rest of this message... (55 more lines) *** THIS IS RECOMMENDED IF YOU WANT THE FULL
    DETAILS OF THE REMEDY ***

    Once on land I asked at the life-guard tower for some vinegar (this is provided at beaches at the
    Great Barrier reef for same - I will quote an article tomorrow that claims this is ineffective,
    which suggested meat tenderizer instead {I remember when I was a child my father used to say use
    paw-paw skin, apparently some enzyme therein helps}). The life guards had a tube of white cream, I
    asked to see what it was, the name was not memorable - something pretty generic and uninformative.
    I most remember them asking me to leave the tower as I was dripping on their floor!

    I made speed back to the holiday flat, fortunately only a few minutes fast walk. By now my cheek
    and underarm were stinging violently. Once there I did not try any of the previous remedy that had
    not worked, instead took a warm bath and soaped off all the stinging areas. On a whim I tried neat
    TCP, applied liberally to all these areas. TCP is an antiseptic product produced by Pfizer
    Laboratories, containing 6% Chlorinated Phenol 2% Phenol (Isn't this the stuff mothballs are made
    of - it certainly smells thereof) 1% Iodinated Phenol ½% Sodium Salicylate.

    I am not sure whether it was the soapy wash or the TCP, but the results were dramatic compared
    with the previous treatment I attempted. As I said above, 6 hours later no pain and no marks.

    The previous sting referred to above, occurred when walking at the surf's edge on the beach. Being
    aware of blue bottle presence, I was watching out for them, and had been fishing them out and
    burying them. A lifeguard's opinion was that the stinging tails remain active for about 12 hours
    after removal from water - any one have corroboration of this or alternative information?

    Anyway, out of the blue I got a stinging tail wrapped around my ankle. The first priority was to
    get this off - no sticks or implements around so I scoured it off with sand (the article I will
    cite tomorrow also says this is a no-no, what else can one do though?). Then I got some ice from a
    beach vendor and held this on for about 10 minutes. The latter is my universal treatment for all
    injuries bar frost-bite, and generally it works very well, particularly for cuts, burns, bruises,
    insect bites etc.

    So I sat on the beach, watching everyone else continue swimming in blue bottle riddled water (as I
    was to do myself too, prior to the incident above) waiting for my remedy to take effect. Well it
    didn't, I started developing a mild seizure in my hamstring and also began to feel dizzy. I stuck
    this out for about 45 minutes, with the side effects getting worse, then decided to get back to
    flat. I doused it with methiolate there (a mercurochrome based product) and had a few cups of warm
    sugary tea, but it took most of the day before I felt up to doing anything, and it was painful for
    a couple of days.

    The contrast between the two recoveries astounded me. I realise one probably gets variation in
    virulence between bluebottles, but given the initial pain of the later sting being as much, if not
    more, pronounced than the sting on my ankle, I doubt this could explain the different reactions.

    The final anecdote I have was the only other time I had a serious blue bottle sting - the tail
    wrapped a couple of times round my forearm. I don't think I put anything on that, if anything it
    was only something like Dettol. I can't remember how long the stinging lasted, but the welt was
    visible for 8-10 days.

  4. in article [email hidden], NZed at
    [email hidden] wrote on 1/19/04 7:58 AM:

    Quoted message said:

    Thanks for that Paul. I was also stung today...Lots of the blighters.... The worst I had was a few
    years ago when I had a blue bottle wash into my wetsuit. It was like whiplash across my neck and
    chest. I tried everything then. With not much luck. NZed

    "Paul Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Remedy that worked extremely well: Wash area stung with soap and warm water. Apply neat TCP(see
    below). The pain was effectively gone in a couple of hours, about six hours later the welts were
    gone too.

    By TCP do you mean Trisodium Phosphate? That's what it means to me and it's EXTREMELY corrosive - we
    use it to scrub paint!

  5. Try pissing on yourself

    "XPEH" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    i heard that vinegar works well

  6. Meat tenderizer or baking soda also work well for Bluebottle (aka Portugese Man O' War) stings, as
    they neutralize the sting. I have also been told that putting water on or rubbing the affected area
    will only worsen the sting.

  7. Pre-emptively

    shaft®' shaft@da_pad.com said:

    Try pissing on yourself

    "XPEH" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    i heard that vinegar works well

  8. General advice from surf lifesaving training is to apply a lot of fresh water to the sting - washing
    off whatever remains. Then apply ice directly onto the sting to cool the burning sensation. Dont use
    salt water as this will make it worse. Vinegar is generally thought to be ineffective and may make
    some stings worse on children - even scarring.

    Dont pop the little buggers on the beach or in the sea as they are impossible to see when back in
    the water.

    Danger days are when there are North Easterly winds (East Coast) blowing the little buggers down
    from the tropics.

    I was told by guy up North that the large number of Bluebottles is due to the reduction in numbers
    of Barramundi - they apparently feed on the Bluebottles.

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  9. What should you do though while you are racing and get a blue-bottle sting? I am doing a 20km race
    next month and it is quite possible I'll get stung. What do you do if you still want to finish the
    race. I'm thinking of removing it, pouring vinegar on the infection and taking some liquid panadol.
    Is this a bad idea or have any otherong distance swimmers have some better ideas?

    Thanks, Glenn

  10. "Glenn" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    What should you do though while you are racing and get a blue-bottle


    sting?

    Quoted message said:

    I am doing a 20km race next month and it is quite possible I'll get stung. What do you do if you
    still want to finish the race. I'm thinking of removing it, pouring vinegar on the infection and
    taking some liquid panadol. Is this a bad idea or have any otherong distance swimmers have some
    better ideas?

    Call your mommy!

  11. Ooops - forgot to mention that vinegar is the first aid for the blue ring octopus sting - first
    aid!! If stung you must get to hospital ASAP. If stung some people will stop breathing and they
    should be given mouth to mouth until the paralysis stops and they can breathe again on their own.
    Never give up even if you have to keep at it for an hour or more.

  12. Roger Martin said:

    General advice from surf lifesaving training is to apply a lot of fresh water to the sting -
    washing off whatever remains. Then apply ice directly onto the sting to cool the burning sensation.
    Dont use salt water as this will make it worse. Vinegar is generally thought to be ineffective and
    may make some stings worse on children - even scarring.

    Dont pop the little buggers on the beach or in the sea as they are impossible to see when back in
    the water.

    ISTR that hot water is better than ice water, and that some people wear pantyhose or spandex
    rashguards during the season with some success. Dunno if that's true or not.

    Turby the Turbosurfer

  13. "Turby" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Roger Martin said:

    General advice from surf lifesaving training is to apply a lot of fresh water to the sting -
    washing off whatever remains. Then apply ice


    directly

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    onto the sting to cool the burning sensation. Dont use salt water as this will make it worse.
    Vinegar is generally thought to be ineffective and


    may

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    make some stings worse on children - even scarring.

    Dont pop the little buggers on the beach or in the sea as they are impossible to see when back in
    the water.

    ISTR that hot water is better than ice water, and that some people wear pantyhose or spandex
    rashguards during the season with some success. Dunno if that's true or not.

    Turby the Turbosurfer

    Stinger Suits are the go - full body rashies.

    The surf life saving clubs usually get the kids to wear them North of Hervey Bay during the stinger
    season. A few years ago when the State Champs for Nippers was held at Sarina it was compulsory for
    all of the kids to wear the stinger suits.

  14. "Raoul Duke" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    :"]news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    Meat tenderizer or baking soda also work well for Bluebottle (aka Portugese Man O' War) stings, as
    they neutralize the sting. I have also been told that putting water on or rubbing the affected
    area will only worsen the sting.

    I wondered if they were what we call Portugese Man O' War. Haven't had the pleasure myself, but I
    hear that's a sting that puts the standard jellyfish sting to shame! Ouch!

  15. best advice I've heard here for awhile. bluebottles aren't gonna kill anyone, box jelly fish or a
    fishy jelly box might! take precautions folks! 😉

    "Roger Martin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message -"]news:[email hidden]-
    berlin.de...

    Quoted message said:

    Ooops - forgot to mention that vinegar is the first aid for the blue ring octopus sting - first
    aid!! If stung you must get to hospital ASAP. If


    stung

    Quoted message said:

    some people will stop breathing and they should be given mouth to mouth until the paralysis stops
    and they can breathe again on their own. Never give up even if you have to keep at it for an hour
    or more.

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