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  1. NEW YORK (Reuters) - U.S. cycling champion Adham Sbeih
    became the first American athlete to be banned for EPO when
    he was given a two-year suspension on Thursday.

    Sbeih tested positive at the U.S. cycling federation elite
    track nationals on August 26. The 30-year-old is national
    champion in the 4,000 meters individual pursuit.

    "This decision should reassure all clean athletes that USADA
    (United States Anti-Doping Agency) and science are on their
    side, and that we are making significant strides through
    research and the application of science to eliminate drug
    use from sport," said Terry Madden, USADA's chief executive
    officer in a statement.

    Sbeih won the individual pursuit and team pursuit at the
    2003 national championships but will now be stripped of
    those victories.

    EPO is a synthetic hormone that stimulates the body's
    production of red blood cells, increasing oxygen transport
    and aerobic power. The drug has been at the center of
    several doping scandals in cycling.

  2. tispectrum said:

    NEW YORK (Reuters) - U.S. cycling champion Adham Sbeih
    became the first American athlete to be banned for EPO when
    he was given a two-year suspension on Thursday.


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    Sbeih won the individual pursuit and team pursuit at the
    2003 national championships but will now be stripped of
    those victories.

    What happens to the medals for the other members of his team
    pursuit squad?

    Are they also stripped of their victory because they
    benefitted from Sbeih's juiced performance, or are they
    innocent victims that should be allowed to keep their
    winning credentials?

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  3. "tispectrum" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    EPO is a synthetic hormone that stimulates the body's
    production of red blood cells, increasing oxygen transport
    and aerobic power. The drug has been at the center of
    several doping scandals in cycling.

    EPO is not a synthetic hormone it is the real thing. Some
    rhEPO's are almost completely identical to that manufactured
    by your body but have a somewhat different charge so can be
    identified.

  4. Yeah, but the pee test is good for about 3 days. Who takes
    EPO 3 days before competition? Unless of course he took that
    "other" EPO, Darbepoetin Alfa. I still can't believe these
    guys keep busted. I was also surprised to hear Manzano talk
    about nandrolone use in the winter, because that stuff is
    detectable for 18 months. But then again, I don't get paid
    to figure out how to beat the tests.

    CH

    "Tom Kunich" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<P-
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    "tispectrum" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    EPO is a synthetic hormone that stimulates the body's
    production of red blood cells, increasing oxygen
    transport and aerobic power. The drug has been at the
    center of several doping scandals in cycling.

    EPO is not a synthetic hormone it is the real thing. Some
    rhEPO's are almost completely identical to that
    manufactured by your body but have a somewhat different
    charge so can be identified.

  5. "Tom Kunich" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    "tispectrum" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    EPO is a synthetic hormone that stimulates the body's
    production of red blood cells, increasing oxygen
    transport and aerobic power. The drug has been at the
    center of several doping scandals in cycling.

    EPO is not a synthetic hormone it is the real thing. Some
    rhEPO's are almost completely identical to that
    manufactured by your body but have a somewhat different
    charge so can be identified.

    How come when an American gets busted for doping, we all cry
    foul, and that it must be a mistake. And then when a Euro
    pro gets pinched for it, we always knew that they were
    doping anyway. Why the dichotomy? Isn't a cheater a cheater?
    If Adam Sbeih wasn't doping; how did he end up with rEPO in
    his system? Any answers for that one?

    Tom

  6. Tom Arsenault said:


    How come when an American gets busted for doping, we all
    cry foul, and that it must be a mistake.


    Is my newsreader dropping posts? I haven't heard anyone here
    claiming Adham was clean. He got busted. He was unlucky.

  7. HE claimed he had no idea how it happened...I guess no one
    told him there's no way to contaminate his protein with EPO.

    CH

    "Kyle Legate" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<-
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    Tom Arsenault said:


    How come when an American gets busted for doping, we all
    cry foul, and that it must be a mistake.


    Is my newsreader dropping posts? I haven't heard anyone
    here claiming Adham was clean. He got busted. He was
    unlucky.

  8. On 26 Mar 2004 09:49:00 -0800, [email hidden] (Tom Arsenault)

    Quoted message said:

    we all cry foul,

    Who is "we all"?

    JT

  9. "Kyle Legate" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Tom Arsenault said:


    How come when an American gets busted for doping, we all
    cry foul, and that it must be a mistake.


    Is my newsreader dropping posts? I haven't heard anyone
    here claiming Adham was clean. He got busted. He was
    unlucky.

    I won't claim he was clean. But in his interview with
    Velonews I thought one venue of defense they were going to
    use was that he was of Arab descent and the baseline testing
    was only done with Caucasians, and that did not appear in
    the summary.

  10. "chris" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Yeah, but the pee test is good for about 3 days. Who takes
    EPO 3 days before competition? Unless of course he took
    that "other" EPO, Darbepoetin Alfa. I still can't believe
    these guys keep busted. I was also surprised to hear
    Manzano talk about nandrolone use in the winter, because
    that stuff is detectable for 18 months. But then again, I
    don't get paid to figure out how to beat the tests.

    The nandrolone was sort of a giveaway don't you think? All
    of the real dummies have these myths about what you can get
    away with and what you can't. They've just been lucky and
    not tested at the right times.

  11. "Tom Arsenault" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "Tom Kunich" <[email hidden]> wrote in message


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    "tispectrum" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    EPO is a synthetic hormone that stimulates the body's
    production of


    red

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    blood cells, increasing oxygen transport and aerobic
    power. The drug


    has

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    been at the center of several doping scandals in
    cycling.

    EPO is not a synthetic hormone it is the real thing.
    Some rhEPO's are


    almost

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    completely identical to that manufactured by your body
    but have a


    somewhat

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    different charge so can be identified.

    How come when an American gets busted for doping, we all
    cry foul, and that it must be a mistake. And then when a
    Euro pro gets pinched for it, we always knew that they
    were doping anyway. Why the dichotomy? Isn't a cheater a
    cheater? If Adam Sbeih wasn't doping; how did he end up
    with rEPO in his system? Any answers for that one?

    You seem to have quoted all of the posting. Where did anyone
    cry foul? Duhhhhhhhh.

  12. "John Forrest Tomlinson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    On 26 Mar 2004 09:49:00 -0800, [email hidden] (Tom

    Arsenault) said:

    we all cry foul,

    Who is "we all"?

    He obviously has a mouse in his pocket. If EPO was found it
    was the real thing.

  13. [email hidden] (Tom Arsenault) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    "Tom Kunich" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:-
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    "tispectrum" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    EPO is a synthetic hormone that stimulates the body's
    production of red blood cells, increasing oxygen
    transport and aerobic power. The drug has been at the
    center of several doping scandals in cycling.

    EPO is not a synthetic hormone it is the real thing.
    Some rhEPO's are almost completely identical to that
    manufactured by your body but have a somewhat different
    charge so can be identified.

    How come when an American gets busted for doping, we all
    cry foul, and that it must be a mistake. And then when a
    Euro pro gets pinched for it, we always knew that they
    were doping anyway. Why the dichotomy? Isn't a cheater a
    cheater? If Adam Sbeih wasn't doping; how did he end up
    with rEPO in his system? Any answers for that one?

    Tom

    Because there is a naive hope that U.S. racing is clean
    simply because the stakes aren't high enough to justify
    it. (ergo, max salary for US pro = <$100k, max salary for
    Euro pro >4M).

    Note: operative words are "naive" and "hope"

    Scott

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    [email hidden] (Tom Arsenault) wrote in message
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    "tispectrum" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    >
    > EPO is a synthetic hormone that stimulates the
    > body's production of red blood cells, increasing
    > oxygen transport and aerobic power. The drug has
    > been at the center of several doping scandals in
    > cycling.

    EPO is not a synthetic hormone it is the real thing.
    Some rhEPO's are almost completely identical to that
    manufactured by your body but have a somewhat
    different charge so can be identified.

    How come when an American gets busted for doping, we all
    cry foul, and that it must be a mistake. And then when a
    Euro pro gets pinched for it, we always knew that they
    were doping anyway. Why the dichotomy? Isn't a cheater a
    cheater? If Adam Sbeih wasn't doping; how did he end up
    with rEPO in his system? Any answers for that one?

    Tom

    Because there is a naive hope that U.S. racing is clean
    simply because the stakes aren't high enough to justify
    it. (ergo, max salary for US pro = <$100k, max salary for
    Euro pro >4M).

    Note: operative words are "naive" and "hope"

    Scott

    Sorry I wasn't more clear in a previous post, but I wasn't
    quoting any previous post, but just kind of "wondering
    aloud". I had read a letter somewhere either on
    Cyclingnews.com or Velonews, that someone had written in and
    made the usual comments, "I know Adam, and he would never do
    something like that." sort of thing. Same as people made for
    Monniger, same for Amber Neben last year. I was just trying
    to say that American supporters of cycling seem to go out on
    a limb when one of our own get busted, but always just
    assume that the Euros are doing it, and snicker and point
    fingers when they get busted. I was just maybe dangerously
    generalizing there in my previous post.

    Tom

  15. On 29 Mar 2004 05:15:38 -0800, [email hidden] (Tom Arsenault)

    Quoted message said:

    I was just trying to say that American supporters of
    cycling seem to go out on a limb when one of our own get
    busted, but always just assume that the Euros are doing
    it, and snicker and point fingers when they get busted. I
    was just maybe dangerously generalizing there in my
    previous post.

    "Maybe"?

    JT

  16. John Forrest Tomlinson <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    On 29 Mar 2004 05:15:38 -0800, [email hidden] (Tom

    Arsenault) said:

    I was just trying to say that American supporters of
    cycling seem to go out on a limb when one of our own get
    busted, but always just assume that the Euros are doing
    it, and snicker and point fingers when they get busted.
    I was just maybe dangerously generalizing there in my
    previous post.

    "Maybe"?

    JT

    OK, so I was. I admit it. But you do know what I'm talking
    about. Right?

    Tom

  17. Moninger isn't the sort of guy to dope. And if he were do
    you suppose he'd chose one of the things most easily found
    in a doping test?

    "Tom Arsenault" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    > "tispectrum" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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    > > EPO is a synthetic hormone that stimulates the
    > > body's production


    of red

    Quoted message said:
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    > > blood cells, increasing oxygen transport and
    > > aerobic power. The


    drug has

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    > > been at the center of several doping scandals in
    > > cycling.
    >
    > EPO is not a synthetic hormone it is the real thing.
    > Some rhEPO's


    are almost

    Quoted message said:
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    > completely identical to that manufactured by your
    > body but have a


    somewhat

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > different charge so can be identified.

    How come when an American gets busted for doping, we
    all cry foul, and that it must be a mistake. And then
    when a Euro pro gets pinched for it, we always knew
    that they were doping anyway. Why the dichotomy? Isn't
    a cheater a cheater? If Adam Sbeih wasn't doping; how
    did he end up with rEPO in his system? Any answers for
    that one?

    Tom

    Because there is a naive hope that U.S. racing is clean
    simply because the stakes aren't high enough to justify
    it. (ergo, max salary for US pro = <$100k, max salary
    for Euro pro >4M).

    Note: operative words are "naive" and "hope"

    Scott

    Sorry I wasn't more clear in a previous post, but I wasn't
    quoting any previous post, but just kind of "wondering
    aloud". I had read a letter somewhere either on
    Cyclingnews.com or Velonews, that someone had written in
    and made the usual comments, "I know Adam, and he would
    never do something like that." sort of thing. Same as
    people made for Monniger, same for Amber Neben last year.
    I was just trying to say that American supporters of
    cycling seem to go out on a limb when one of our own get
    busted, but always just assume that the Euros are doing
    it, and snicker and point fingers when they get busted. I
    was just maybe dangerously generalizing there in my
    previous post.

    Tom

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