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  1. I've got chronic achilles tendonitis in both feet due to running, and
    I found that my walking boots were pretty painful to wear when I got
    them out and did a bit of walking in them earlier this year. The tops
    of the backs rubbed on my ATs, which was pretty sore.

    Partly for that reason, on my recent walk I wore new boots with lower
    backs - sort of a cross between a traininer and a boot - but although
    it hurt in a different way it was still painful, and now have lumps on
    the back of each tendon.

    Does anyone else have achilles tendonitis? If so, have you had
    problems with boots? If you have, do you have any tips that might help
    me?

    Thanks for any help 🙂

    Best wishes,
    --
    Peewiglet

  2. On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 16:45:43 +0100, Peewiglet <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    I've got chronic achilles tendonitis in both feet due to running,

    8-/ Really sorry to hear that.

    Quoted message said:

    any tips that might help me?

    I'm sure you know the only thing that's going to help you is
    *absolute* rest, but its the least attractive solution that anyone
    who's active wants to hear ;-) Honest pw, there's no way around it
    (unless you can pay for extensive phsio)

    Tendon injuries are the pits, I'd rather fracture a bone! The rest
    needs to be absolute and *prolonged*; I had a finger tendon injury,
    from climbing, over the summer and it took 3 months to clear (5 of
    which purposefully and sadly had no climbing at all) and I still need
    to strap it. Rest your achilles competely for 6 weeks to 2 months (but
    stretch it gently), it really is a short time once you get used to
    being inactive :-( all other options just drag the injury along -
    there's no route to *complete* recovery other than rest. Then you can
    pick your training up feeling refreshed and injury free :-)

    SteveO

    NE Climbers & walkers chat forum;
    http://www.thenmc.org.uk/phpBB2/index.php

    NMC website: http://www.thenmc.org.uk

  3. SteveO said:

    On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 16:45:43 +0100, Peewiglet <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    I've got chronic achilles tendonitis in both feet due to running,

    8-/ Really sorry to hear that.

    Quoted message said:

    any tips that might help me?

    I'm sure you know the only thing that's going to help you is
    *absolute* rest, but its the least attractive solution that anyone
    who's active wants to hear ;-) Honest pw, there's no way around it
    (unless you can pay for extensive phsio)

    You might want to have a read at this.

    http://www.podiatrychannel.com/achillestendinitis/

    --

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    Sandy
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  4. "Peewiglet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    Does anyone else have achilles tendonitis? If so, have you had
    problems with boots? If you have, do you have any tips that might help
    me?


    I suffered with AT a few years ago, and remember that it was extremely
    painful to have anything rubbing up against my achilles tendon. The doc
    prescibed absolute rest and a bumper pack of Ibuprofen, which did the trick.
    After a few days, I was able to walk kind of OK, provided that nothing was
    actually touching my achilles, so ended up getting an old pair of shoes and
    cutting a hole in the back of one of them, so at least I could get around a
    little bit . In the end, I think it was about 3 weeks before I was back to
    fighting fit, but it probably would have been a bit less if I'd had total
    rest.

  5. In [email hidden]
    SteveO mused:

    Quoted message said:

    On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 16:45:43 +0100, Peewiglet <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    I've got chronic achilles tendonitis in both feet due to running,

    8-/ Really sorry to hear that.

    Likewise.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    any tips that might help me?

    I'm sure you know the only thing that's going to help you is
    *absolute* rest, but its the least attractive solution that anyone
    who's active wants to hear ;-) Honest pw, there's no way around it
    (unless you can pay for extensive phsio)

    The bulge in my left achilles took nearly two years of drastically
    reducing my outdoor activities - I gave up running, then climbing, and
    then only put in a few day walks a year. Prior to that I went to the
    quacks (manipulation <pain!>, physio sessions, orthotic inserts) and
    eventually it culminated (after about 2 years on-and-of on various
    things) in the discussion with a consultant surgeon "live with it, rest
    it totally and it will probably get better, or if you're really
    desperate we can operate but you may end worse than before". Before that
    I just cut down on things a little in the hope it would go away.

    The bulge in the tendon has now gone after maybe 4-5 years, but the
    bulge of the belly has expanded somewhat.

    Recommendation?

    Seek medical advice. Sooner rather than later.

  6. As others have said, total rest. After that you'll need to protect
    the tendons a bit, so depending on season you could try:
    - teva sandals or similar
    - walshes or other fell running shoes (better than trainers as the
    lack of raised heel minimises the chance of turning an ankle)
    - low-heeled approach shoes (eg salomons)

  7. On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 16:45:43 +0100, Peewiglet <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    I've got chronic achilles tendonitis

    Just found the following, near the bottom of this page (if naught else
    it might add to a greater understanding):

    Rainmaker's Hiking Mechanics
    http://www.trailquest.net/mechanics.html

    ========================================================

    How I Care For / Prevent Achilles Tendonitis:

    I had my first bout of Achilles tendonitis in 1992 when I hiked the
    Appalachian Trail. It redefined my concept of pain. It struck the 3rd
    day after I left Springer Mtn., put me off the trail twice, and I was
    still bothered by it (this is putting it mildly) when I reached Mt.
    Katahdin after 7 1/2 months of hiking. Believe me, it is nothing to
    take lightly or fool around with.

    The fact that I was able to complete my hike was due largely to the
    efforts of an orthopedic doctor who took an interest in my hike and
    gave me a crash course in tendonitis.

    The Achilles tendon is the large tendon located at the back of the
    ankle. Flex your ankle so that the front of your foot and toes are
    pointed toward the ceiling and you'll be able to feel it.

    When we hike uphill, the back part of the foot is lower than the front
    part of the foot (heel is lower than the toes). Just like the motion
    indicated above of pointing the toes towards the ceiling to feel the
    Achilles tendon, this uphill hiking motion causes the tendon to be
    stretched tight. Occasionally, the tendon will get more of this abuse
    than it can handle. At that point, it may become painful and inflamed.

    When I began to get severe pain in my Achilles tendons, I got off the
    trail and went to a doctor. This was a fairly easy decision to make,
    because I couldn't walk. My hike had temporarily lost its meaning and
    purpose, anyway. If I ever have pain like that again, I'll do the same
    thing. However, I will make sure I go to an orthopedic doctor who has
    experience treating sports related injuries, even if I have to get on
    a bus or train and travel several hundred miles from the trail to do
    it.

    One of the first things the doctor did in 1992 was look at my hiking
    boots. He pulled out one of my arch supports and looked at it closely.
    He then explained how it appeared to over-compensate for the arch.
    When it forced the middle of my foot up, it was also forcing the heel
    down, which was helping to stretch the Achilles tendon. He performed a
    quick and painless arch support-ectomy on both hiking boots. I was on
    the road to recovery with a lesson learned the hard way. The doctor
    suggested that I not use any arch supports for a while, then switch to
    a set that didn't provide so much lift for the arch.

    He also examined my Achilles tendons and said that other than the pain
    of inflammation, they were fine (no other injuries or structural
    damage). I believe it is very important that a medical professional
    make this determination. A ruptured Achilles tendon is a very serious
    injury.

    He then explained about how important it is to warm up tendons with
    slow, gradual use, using the analogy about baseball pitchers warming
    up extensively before trying to throw a 90 mph fastball. He suggested
    that I remember that analogy after I returned to the trail, and that I
    walk around slowly without my pack for several minutes each morning.
    He also suggested that I start hiking each morning slowly, and
    gradually increase my hiking speed as my body gets warmed up.

    He also made other suggestions. He said to get rid of my hiking boots,
    because my tendons would not tolerate the leather rubbing against them
    with every step. He suggested that I switch to jogging shoes for a
    couple of months on my hike. I had an old pair of jogging shoes, and
    had them resoled with Vibram soles. Although I didn't realize it at
    the time, I'd just created one of the first pair of Trail Runners. I
    used those shoes for about 600 miles of hiking, then switched to
    fabric-style hiking boots. I haven't hiked in leather boots since
    1992, and never will again. I now use lightweight Trail Runners for
    3-season backpacking.

    The doctor also explained how I could use oil (any kind of oil, even
    vegetable oil) to massage my Achilles tendons in the evenings and
    mornings. He suggested that I ice the tendons, but explained how
    important it was not to use ice on them until I was finished hiking
    for the day. He used another sports analogy, asking me to think about
    all the times I'd seen athletes put ice on an injured limb, but only
    after they were finished for the day. When's the last time you saw
    Michael Jordan ice his knee, then return to a game?

    He suggested that I not do any stretching exercises for my tendons,
    stating that stretching them is what got them in their present
    condition to begin with. He suggested that I just walk around slowly
    in the mornings, and listen to my body. He said that it would tell me
    when it was ready to hike. He was right.

    In the end, the doctor told me to take a few weeks off and instructed
    me how to care for my tendons. He told me that I could then go back to
    the trail, and that if I could stand the pain, I could hike. I could,
    and I did.

    I still warm up slowly in the mornings. I get twinges in my Achilles
    tendons now when I'm hiking, but using the above techniques,
    thankfully it has not reached the point where it has put me off the
    trail again.

    It would have been very easy for this doctor to merely tell me I had
    tendonitis, prescribe some medications and tell me to go home and
    rest. This would have been treating the symptom. However, in addition
    to treating the symptom, he also treated the cause. The willingness to
    treat the cause of a problem (in addition to the symptom) is one
    standard that I now apply to health care professionals. Personally, I
    feel that someone who treats only symptoms is in the sickness
    business, and someone who treats the cause and the symptom is in the
    health business.

    ========================================================

    SteveO

    NE Climbers & walkers chat forum;
    http://www.thenmc.org.uk/phpBB2/index.php

    NMC website: http://www.thenmc.org.uk

  8. "Peewiglet" wrote

    Quoted message said:

    I've got chronic achilles tendonitis in both feet due to running, and
    I found that my walking boots were pretty painful to wear when I got
    them out and did a bit of walking in them earlier this year. The tops
    of the backs rubbed on my ATs, which was pretty sore.

    Partly for that reason, on my recent walk I wore new boots with lower
    backs - sort of a cross between a traininer and a boot - but although
    it hurt in a different way it was still painful, and now have lumps on
    the back of each tendon.

    Does anyone else have achilles tendonitis? If so, have you had
    problems with boots? If you have, do you have any tips that might help
    me?


    I damaged my left AT last year on a walk on Exmoor, didn't realise that the
    wet leaves on the steep decent no longer had soil under them but smooth rock
    and fell down rather badly. Had to walk out of there too, no other way.
    12 months on and my AT is still swollen and I still can't use my normal high
    backed leather boots without aggravating the injury again. I now use Salomon
    Lows as they have a lower back to the heel which misses the damaged bit,
    there are other similar "Approach shoes" (Trainers! dare I say) with even
    lower backs.
    Doc says it will flatten back to normal eventually but it takes time, a lot
    of time it seems. Sorry to disappoint you.
    --
    Regards
    Bob
    In Runnymede, 17 miles West of London

  9. Many thanks to all for the helpful advice re: my achilles tendonitis.

    I agree with those who suggest that total rest is likely to be the
    only long-term solution. I've tried taking a month or so off running
    once or twice over the last couple of years, but it hasn't helped.
    Having said that, it's now 7 weeks since I've been for a run, and 3
    weeks since I returned from my walk. I'm wondering whether to extend
    the break from running, but I can't face the prospect of taking no
    exercise at all...

    I think the time may have come for me to get some heavy duty
    anti-inflammatories from the GP.

    Thanks again for the advice: it's much appreciated.

    Best wishes,
    --
    Peewiglet

  10. On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 22:35:01 +0100, Simon Caldwell
    <[email hidden]> wrote:

    [...]

    Quoted message said:

    - walshes or other fell running shoes (better than trainers as the
    lack of raised heel minimises the chance of turning an ankle)

    Unfortunately, I think fell shoes have made it worse for me. I tend to
    use them for running in the woods/along the beach, as well as on the
    hills, and that's most of my running these days as I actively dislike
    running on roads. Although the back is low, I think the total lack of
    support has exacerbated the symptoms, as there's a constant strain on
    my achilles :-(

    Best wishes,
    --
    Peewiglet

  11. On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 20:07:18 +0100, "Bootlaces"
    <[email hidden]> wrote:

    [...]

    Quoted message said:

    The bulge in my left achilles took nearly two years of drastically
    reducing my outdoor activities - I gave up running, then climbing, and
    then only put in a few day walks a year. Prior to that I went to the
    quacks (manipulation <pain!>, physio sessions, orthotic inserts) and
    eventually it culminated (after about 2 years on-and-of on various
    things) in the discussion with a consultant surgeon "live with it, rest
    it totally and it will probably get better, or if you're really
    desperate we can operate but you may end worse than before". Before that
    I just cut down on things a little in the hope it would go away.

    The bulge in the tendon has now gone after maybe 4-5 years, but the
    bulge of the belly has expanded somewhat.

    Recommendation?

    Seek medical advice. Sooner rather than later.


    I've had enormous difficulty in finding someone to help.

    My GP isn't into sport and doesn't understand the problem.

    I thought I'd be able to get recommendations for a good physio from my
    running club, but I was wrong. It seems that many club runners are
    reluctant to seek assistance with injuries and just try to run through
    them (generally a bad idea), so they had hardly anyone to recommend.
    Those who'd seen a physio had used the local bloke, and so I went to
    see him. He told me to dump the custom orthotics prescribed by a
    podiatrist when my AT was first diagnosed about 2 years ago (he
    doesn't believe in orthotics...). I did, and promptly pulled a muscle
    in my calf, presumably because my leg had grown used to running with
    the extra support from the orthotic for 2 years. Aagghh... I tried
    asking runners from other clubs, but they didn't know any physios
    either.

    I could ask the GP to send me to an orthopaedic surgeon, but unless
    he/she was experienced in sports injuries it would probably be a waste
    of time and money. I wouldn't have believed it was possibe to have so
    much difficulty trying to get help with such a common sports injury!

    <fx: whimper...>

    Best wishes,
    --
    Peewiglet

  12. On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 17:40:50 +0100, SteveO wrote:

    [...]

    Quoted message said:

    Tendon injuries are the pits, I'd rather fracture a bone! The rest
    needs to be absolute and *prolonged*; I had a finger tendon injury,
    from climbing, over the summer and it took 3 months to clear (5 of
    which purposefully and sadly had no climbing at all) and I still need
    to strap it.

    Wow.... that's a long time.

    Quoted message said:

    Rest your achilles competely for 6 weeks to 2 months (but
    stretch it gently), it really is a short time once you get used to
    being inactive :-( all other options just drag the injury along -
    there's no route to *complete* recovery other than rest. Then you can
    pick your training up feeling refreshed and injury free :-)

    I think I put on about a stone just *thinking* about another month
    without activity...

    Best wishes,
    --
    Peewiglet

  13. On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 12:45:32 +0100, SteveO wrote:

    [...]

    Quoted message said:

    Just found the following, near the bottom of this page (if naught else
    it might add to a greater understanding):

    Rainmaker's Hiking Mechanics
    http://www.trailquest.net/mechanics.html


    [...]

    Many thanks!

    Best wishes,
    --
    Peewiglet

  14. Sandy Birrell said:

    You might want to have a read at this.

    http://www.podiatrychannel.com/achillestendinitis/

    Many thanks 🙂

    Best wishes,
    --
    Peewiglet

  15. In article <[email hidden]>, Peewiglet
    <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:

    On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 20:07:18 +0100, "Bootlaces"
    <[email hidden]> wrote:


    [snip]

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Recommendation?

    Seek medical advice. Sooner rather than later.


    I've had enormous difficulty in finding someone to help.

    My GP isn't into sport and doesn't understand the problem.

    If I were you I would google for sports injury clinics near you. I did
    this when needing to get a nasty sprain sorted out quickly last year so
    I didn't miss a race series I was particularly keen on.

    I found a local physio that got me running again in 2 weeks when the
    local A&E had said no running for six weeks. I was a bit wary of putting
    my ankle in the hands of an unknown quantity but he was great. It cost
    me a fair bit of money but I think it was well worth it - my other ankle
    is a bit of a mess from a nasty break 8 years ago so I thought I had
    better look after the good one!

    Quoted message said:


    <fx: whimper...>

    That reminds me how I felt when the doctor said forget the running 🙁

    --

    Dominic Sexton
    http://www.dscs.demon.co.uk/

  16. On Sun, 3 Oct 2004 16:07:10 +0100, Dominic Sexton
    <[email hidden]> wrote:

    [...]

    Quoted message said:

    If I were you I would google for sports injury clinics near you. I did
    this when needing to get a nasty sprain sorted out quickly last year so
    I didn't miss a race series I was particularly keen on.

    Good advice - I'll try that, thanks.

    Quoted message said:

    I found a local physio that got me running again in 2 weeks when the
    local A&E had said no running for six weeks. I was a bit wary of putting
    my ankle in the hands of an unknown quantity but he was great. It cost
    me a fair bit of money but I think it was well worth it - my other ankle
    is a bit of a mess from a nasty break 8 years ago so I thought I had
    better look after the good one!

    I'm very glad to hear that you managed to get your ankle sorted out in
    time to race. I understand that feeling of uncertainty with a new
    physio too! I'd be more than happy to pay for effective treatment.
    These things can turn into permanent disabilities if they're not
    properly sorted out.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    <fx: whimper...>

    Quoted message said:

    That reminds me how I felt when the doctor said forget the running 🙁

    It's very frustrating when the medics don't understand. I've spoken to
    quite a few runners, now, who were flatly told they'd never run again
    after suffering treatable injuries. I'm glad you overcame it :-)

    Best wishes,
    --
    Peewiglet

  17. On Sun, 03 Oct 2004 13:57:44 +0100, Peewiglet <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:


    Unfortunately, I think fell shoes have made it worse for me. I tend to
    use them for running in the woods/along the beach, as well as on the
    hills, and that's most of my running these days as I actively dislike
    running on roads. Although the back is low, I think the total lack of
    support has exacerbated the symptoms, as there's a constant strain on
    my achilles :-(

    Sounds like it might be a symptom of something else which is putting
    unusual strain on the achilles. Maybe a podiatrist might be able to
    help?

    S.

  18. Simon Caldwell said:

    On Sun, 03 Oct 2004 13:57:44 +0100, Peewiglet <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:


    Unfortunately, I think fell shoes have made it worse for me. I tend to
    use them for running in the woods/along the beach, as well as on the
    hills, and that's most of my running these days as I actively dislike
    running on roads. Although the back is low, I think the total lack of
    support has exacerbated the symptoms, as there's a constant strain on
    my achilles :-(

    Sounds like it might be a symptom of something else which is putting
    unusual strain on the achilles. Maybe a podiatrist might be able to
    help?

    I've been to a podiatrist. He said I have short ATs - he called it
    "ankle equinus" - and also a "rear foot varus" with "a suspicion of
    sagittal plane block". Hmmm....

    Anyway, he said expensive custom made orthotics would solve the
    problem. I bought them, but they didn't. Fell shoes make things worse
    for me, because without any support in my shoe my ATs are constantly
    under strain.

    Best wishes,
    --
    Peewiglet

  19. On Mon, 04 Oct 2004 19:05:08 +0100, Peewiglet <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:


    I've been to a podiatrist. He said I have short ATs - he called it
    "ankle equinus" - and also a "rear foot varus" with "a suspicion of
    sagittal plane block". Hmmm....

    Ah, I understand now ;-)

    Quoted message said:

    Anyway, he said expensive custom made orthotics would solve the
    problem. I bought them, but they didn't. Fell shoes make things worse
    for me, because without any support in my shoe my ATs are constantly
    under strain.

    A bit of a Catch 22 then - your ATs need support, but that support
    aggravates them too :-(

    I suspect my other suggestion of Salomon approach shoes (I think mine
    are called Lows or something) would have the same problem.

  20. In article <[email hidden]>,
    [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:
    Simon Caldwell said:

    On Sun, 03 Oct 2004 13:57:44 +0100, Peewiglet <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:


    Unfortunately, I think fell shoes have made it worse for me. I tend to
    use them for running in the woods/along the beach, as well as on the
    hills, and that's most of my running these days as I actively dislike
    running on roads. Although the back is low, I think the total lack of
    support has exacerbated the symptoms, as there's a constant strain on
    my achilles :-(

    Sounds like it might be a symptom of something else which is putting
    unusual strain on the achilles. Maybe a podiatrist might be able to
    help?

    I've been to a podiatrist. He said I have short ATs - he called it
    "ankle equinus" - and also a "rear foot varus" with "a suspicion of
    sagittal plane block". Hmmm....

    [censored]. If I was you I'd just get the damn things amputated - they
    obviously aren't worth spending any money on footwear for.

    --
    Darren

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