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  1. I was riding my Coker today, had a UPD to the front. The handle from my
    KH saddle whacked my left leg about 2 inches above the heel bone.

    My tendon is sore there, It is not broken. This is not the first time
    the seat handle has done this.

    PLEASE, I need some advice from others on how to protect this. I would
    hate to have a severed Achilles tendon.

    Most leg armor is open or only has fabric on the back. I doubt the
    fabric will protect the tendon much in this case.

    How could you make the front of the handle softer or how can you
    effectively protect the tendons?

    Please, I really want protection here!!!

    Thanks
    Bruce🙂

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  2. Tape carpet to your ankles

    Tape carpet to your handle

    Foam

    Whatever

    Done

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  3. n9jcv said:

    How could you make the front of the handle softer or how can you
    effectively protect the tendons?

    I have no ideas how to protect the Achilles tendon, but just confirm
    that you are very right to be concerned about it. Someone on this
    forum (was it wobbling bear?) severely damaged his Achilles tendon
    from the seat wacking it after a upd and is out of commission for four
    months or so. I don't think it was on a Coker though.

    Klaas Bil - Newsgroup Addict
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  4. Good footbal shin protectors have pretty good AT felt guard attached.
    It is enough to rip it off and saw it back to front and U have all
    'behind' protected the calf included.
    As to present injury. It will be wise not to challange it at all untill
    all symptoms will wanish. The reason being....posttroumatic AT
    paratendinitis (inflammation of the 'envelope' of the AT tendon) is
    ,many a time ,very difficult to treat on the LONG RUN.Wishing
    good recovery.🙂
    PS. That is how I protect my AT having lacerated skin over that area.

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  5. t's never happened to me, but I remember reading the post that Klaas Bil
    just mentioned and being pretty horrified; sounded like a nasty
    injury.

    I wonder if the trauma is caused by the impact or whether it's more the
    sharpish edge of a KH handle?

    For example, I've got a well padded Reeder handle of my muni
    (bent/angled metal bar that runs at a slight angle along the front of
    the seat and an inch or so in front).

    Maybe one of those would be better in an impact than a KH style plastic
    seat with its narrow lower edge?

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  6. I've just done a search and tracked down wobbling bears thread about the
    tendon injury: -

    http://tinyurl.com/55zv3

    one of the nastiest uni injuries I've read about, partly because you
    just wouldn't expect that a blow there could be so damaging.

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  7. High top hiking boots.

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  8. or you could just get out of the way of it
    😄

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  9. IDEA for Achilles Protection

    After spending all day looking for ankle/heel/leg pads, I thought, why
    don't I address the seat. Here is what I did;

    I may still use hiking boots or some neoprene ankle supports, but this I
    figured should definitely help. I took a small piece of pipe
    insulation, then I wrapped it with a Velcro neoprene wrist strap. The
    wrist strap alone should provide good protection, but I figured I could
    go one better. Now the only thing, I need to go buy some wide webbing
    and put velcro on the ends. I will wrap it with the webbing, which
    should hold up better than the neoprene, when the coker hits the
    ground.

    What do you guys think? What else do you have to show?

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  10. One solution is to figure out a way to armor or pad your Achilles
    tendon. You could try some soccer shin pads turned around to the back
    of the leg. There are many different styles and shapes of soccer shin
    pads. One of them ought to work well for Achilles tendon protection.
    What you don't want is something that restricts your ankle from flexing
    properly as you pedal. You need to be able to freely flex your ankle in
    order to pedal correctly.

    The other solution is to stop falling off the Coker at speed. UPDs at
    speed should be very rare unless you are the type of rider who pushes
    the speed envelope. I ride conservatively and I am having difficulty
    trying to recall the last time I had a UPD at speed where I would have
    been at risk of the saddle hitting my Achilles tendon.

    When I first got my Coker I was about a level 3 rider. I was able to
    ride, but UPDs at 10+ mph were common. I was a UPD waiting to happen.
    Then I started working on my freestyle skills. I now consider myself a
    level 5 (although I've never been tested) with some level 6 and 7 skills
    thrown in. I'm a much better rider now. My balance is better. The
    better riding transfered over to the Coker. I'm now a much better Coker
    rider than I was. UPDs at speed are now very rare. Low speed UPDs are
    still common, from trying to do things like a sharp U-turn on a bike
    path, but those aren't anything to be concerned about. If I was to push
    my limits and try for speed I would be falling more. I keep my speed
    reasonable and at a pace that I can maintain a comfortable margin of
    control. For me, that means keeping my speed below 14.5 mph. Above
    that speed and things start to get sketchy for me.

    So work on your unicycling skills and your Coker riding will improve.
    It may not seem obvious that learning how to wheel walk or ride one
    footed on a standard unicycle will help your Coker riding, but it will.
    The freestyle skills force you to improve your balance and control.
    You'll find that you are riding well within the boundaries of the
    balance envelope which means much fewer UPDs at speed. Look at the
    people who are doing great things on the Coker and you'll find that most
    of them are level 5 and above unicyclists.

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  11. I have only had the Coker for a week. I have only been unicycling for 3
    months. I am not even sure I am level 1. I can ride, turn, freemount
    (not the Coker yet). I can only freemount with one foot. I can ride 6
    miles or more.

    I generally keep the speed at about 7 - 10mph on the Coker, as I do not
    want to fall moving too fast.

    I have had the same problem of a UPD and the seat hitting the back of my
    leg on my Torker 24 as well.

    Like I say, this has happened 3 or 4 times (Torker/Coker) and I think it
    is just too likely to happen again, so I must use protection. I tried a
    bunch of shin pads, but like you say they restricted my heel/achilles
    movement, something I do not want.

    Any other photos of what other people have done???
    b

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  12. Padding up as you feel necessary is a good idea on the Coker. I still
    ride with knee pads most of the time. I haven't needed them in a while,
    but if/when I need them again I'll be glad they're there. Scraping up
    the knees hurts, the skin on the knee doesn't heal quickly, and badly
    scraped up knees would keep me from riding till they healed. Reasons
    enough for me to put the knee pads on.

    The good news is that as you get better at riding you will have fewer
    and fewer unexpected UPDs. Don't neglect the freestyle riding practice
    because improvements there will filter over to improved Coker riding.

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  13. wear pads/pad the seat/handle as you see fit but getting better at
    getting out of the way would solve the problem more perminantly. also
    check out the GB4 coker handles on unicycle.com, they are two handed and
    have a spot for a cyclocomputer.

    here's a link. 'GB4 coker handle'
    (http://www.unicycle.com/shopping/shopexd.asp?id=576)

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  14. n9jcv said:

    *I I have had the same problem of a UPD and the seat hitting the back
    of my leg on my Torker 24 as well.

    Like I say, this has happened 3 or 4 times (Torker/Coker) and I think
    it is just too likely to happen again, so I must use protection. I
    tried a bunch of shin pads, but like you say they restricted my
    heel/achilles movement, something I do not want.
    *

    If it's happening to you regularly on both unicycles, it's probably a
    technique issue. Your best bet is to try and work out why it's happening
    to you and try and ride differently. It's such a rare thing to happen
    that there must be something specific you're doing that makes it more
    likely to happen to you.

    Joe

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  15. This is really basic but, do you attempt to grab the seat when you
    UPD?

    Maybe it's way less practical on a Coker, but, certainly on my muni and
    29-er, it's very rare that I don't come out of a UPD without holding
    onto the seat.

    The few UPDs that are too fast for that generally end with me running
    out of them, again meaning that I don't get hit by a seat.

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  16. as pointed earlier I had a really nasty injury that way
    (recent radios show that my muscle is really sore and looks
    like a battleground 😠 )

    now I use 2 kick-boxing pads to the rear of my 661
    I just look like an eskimo with kamiks but I don't care....
    they're so padded that I am quite sure I can withstand an anvil falling
    from the clouds!

    I put these back-protection even without the 661 .. just any time while
    uniing .... even if it's just a trip to the grocer's shop.

    bear

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  17. Well, I padded the seat handle in front. I am also wearing neoprene
    ankle supports, they are not too thick but offer some cushion.

    I generally do not grab the seat during a UPD, I would rather save my
    face, than save a few scratches on my Uni seat. I am sure as I get
    better, this will be less of an issue.

    On a positive note, tonight, I got some practice in. I did not really
    ride much, but I was able to successfully mount the coker about 10
    times. Oh, that was a great feeling.

    I looked at all kinds of pads for the back of my leg, but nothing was
    comfortable.

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  18. The only times I can remember my seat hitting my achilles is during
    Muni, especially when I first started. That was after my broken heel
    when I had bad tendonitis. The few times I got hit was a sudden, wheel
    stopping, UPD where I fell so fast I couldn't grab the seat in time.

    Why it seems to always hit the bad left tendon, and never the right, is
    a mystery to me. And the Reeder handle on my 26 seemed to have better
    aim than the Kinport handle on my 24. Good thing it's a rare occurence
    for me.

    Grabbing the seat will become second nature after a while but sometimes
    ya just got to fall.

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  19. another thought: if you don't grab the seat, do you try to push it out
    from under you? from muni-ing i've learned that landing on the uni is
    way worse than even a semi-controlled fall. Unless its a really really
    sudden upd, i either hang on to the handle, or i use the handle to push
    it out from under me so i don't land on it or i have room to run out the
    fall.

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  20. onewheeldave said:

    *This is really basic but, do you attempt to grab the seat when you
    UPD?

    Maybe it's way less practical on a Coker, but, certainly on my muni
    and 29-er, it's very rare that I don't come out of a UPD without
    holding onto the seat.

    The few UPDs that are too fast for that generally end with me running
    out of them, again meaning that I don't get hit by a seat. *

    Funny, I'm the opposite. I can't remember the last time I UPD'd and
    caught the seat. When I fall I ususally have far more important things
    on my mind then the state of my seat, such as whether or not I will be
    able to roll out of the fall, or whether I will land with my ribs or my
    soft inner armpit muscle on the armrest of the bench (I wonder if I'm
    thinking of a specific fall that happened twice in 1 ride yesterday...).
    I've found that the moment I no longer feel like I'm gonna stay on the
    uni, I don't give a [censored] about where it is, as long as it's not in my
    way. Even if I am falling and know I could catch the seat, I usually
    don't care enough to inconvience myself by catching it.

    I've never been hit in the achilles tendon with my seat. ::knocks on
    wood:: The worst I had was falling backwards and getting it caught
    between my crank and wheel. That hurt like crazy.

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