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  1. OK, I've cooked prime rib roasts before, although not too often. I'm
    curious (it's an affliction, I swear <g>😉 if I should remove the roast
    from the fridge and let it come to room temp before I put it in the 450F
    oven? Usually, I just take the roast from the fridge to the oven (yes,
    I S&P the thing and a wee bit more), but I wonder if allowing to come to
    room temp first will enhance it somehow? What say y'all?

    Sky, who's curious as always 😉

    P.S. Should I lower the oven temp to 350-375F after the first 15-20
    minutes in the oven?

  2. Skyhooks said:

    OK, I've cooked prime rib roasts before, although not too often. I'm
    curious (it's an affliction, I swear <g>😉 if I should remove the roast
    from the fridge and let it come to room temp before I put it in the 450F
    oven? Usually, I just take the roast from the fridge to the oven (yes,
    I S&P the thing and a wee bit more), but I wonder if allowing to come to
    room temp first will enhance it somehow? What say y'all?


    Most stuff I have read suggests letting it come to room temperature
    first. It will cook more evenly then, from what I gather. And most
    literature says to take it out about a half hour to an hour before.

    I find that it doesn't come up to room temperature then, but it does
    take off the chill a bit.

    This advice is pertinent to many meats that one cooks.

    Christine

  3. Christine Dabney said:

    <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    OK, I've cooked prime rib roasts before, although not too often. I'm
    curious (it's an affliction, I swear <g>😉 if I should remove the roast
    from the fridge and let it come to room temp before I put it in the 450F
    oven? Usually, I just take the roast from the fridge to the oven (yes,
    I S&P the thing and a wee bit more), but I wonder if allowing to come to
    room temp first will enhance it somehow? What say y'all?

    Quoted message said:

    Most stuff I have read suggests letting it come to room temperature
    first. It will cook more evenly then, from what I gather. And most
    literature says to take it out about a half hour to an hour before.

    I find that it doesn't come up to room temperature then, but it does
    take off the chill a bit.

    I will take a roast out of refrigeration 3 hours before it
    goes into the oven. (Technically, for food safety requirements
    it should only be 2 hours, but I figure 3 is okay for us
    amateurs.)

    Steve

    Quoted message said:

    This advice is pertinent to many meats that one cooks.

    Christine

  4. Quoted message said:

    OK, I've cooked prime rib roasts before, although not too often. I'm
    curious (it's an affliction, I swear <g>😉 if I should remove the roast
    from the fridge and let it come to room temp before I put it in the 450F
    oven? Usually, I just take the roast from the fridge to the oven (yes,
    I S&P the thing and a wee bit more), but I wonder if allowing to come to
    room temp first will enhance it somehow? What say y'all?

    Sky, who's curious as always 😉

    P.S. Should I lower the oven temp to 350-375F after the first 15-20
    minutes in the oven?

    Here's the Bob Pastorio method for prime rib roasts:

    Roasting Prime Rib Directions

    Funny thing about this. Two outside sources for what I'm about to put down
    here plus having done thousands of them in my restaurants. The two outside
    sources are Harold McGee ("On food and Cooking" and other writings on the
    science of the kitchen) and the current Gourmet magazine that has an article
    on the scientific tests going on now in matters culinary and the surprises
    that have been demonstrated, particularly about meats.

    The basic *laws of physics* rule: The hotter the meat gets, the more
    moisture it loses. Period. When protein gets hot, it contracts and
    surrenders its water-based juices. Fat melts off and out. Putting it into a
    hot oven heats the outside sharply and forms a crust, yes, but it also
    permits the moisture at and just under the surface to dehydrate. The
    moisture in the center of the meat will migrate out to seek osmotic
    equilibrium (sorry for the tech talk). It'll hit the dried crust and soften
    it by dispersing into it and then evaporating. But even more moisture will
    be lost by being squeezed out of the hot protein fibers. Getting that crust
    (called Maillard reactions) is an expensive proposition when you consider
    what you're losing to get it. Something over 15% of the meat and maybe as
    much as 25%.

    The more slowly the meat cooks, the more moisture it will retain since none
    of it will get as hot as it would in a hot oven. (Example: tonight I cooked
    a pork tenderloin in a 200F convection oven. I wanted it to reach 140F and I
    would then carve and serve it. Took 2.5 hours from somewhat above fridge
    temp. No crust to speak of because it was below the boiling point of water
    and so didn't dehydrate the surface. It weighed 3 pounds 7 ounces. It came
    out weighing 3 pounds 2 ounces. I got a 91% yield [50 ounces finished
    divided by 55 ounces as purchased].

    That's considered impossible in foodservice circles using traditional
    cooking methods. And I didn't have time to brine it. That would have netted
    more meat finished.)

    Cooking the meats at low temperatures will retain more juices and provide
    more of the sensation of juiciness than cooking it completely or even for a
    short time at high temperatures. The major reason for the consistent
    moistness across the whole cut face is because the temperature differential
    between the hottest and coldest parts of the roast won't be very large. So
    little of the meat will dry out and draw moisture from the more moist parts.

    Brining it will actually bring more moisture into the meat and, in fact,
    change some of the properties of the protein such that it will surrender
    moisture less willingly. Cooking a brined roast at low temps to the same
    degree of doneness you usually do will result in a tastier, more tender,
    more flavorful and more juicy roast than you can get any other way. You
    can't cook roasts consistently without using a quick-read thermometer.
    Period. You can't cook by minutes per pound and expect consistent results.
    There are too many variables. Bone-in or boneless? Heavy fat cap or none?
    Short and thick or long and flat? Room temperature or cold?

    I hear people tell me how much they like roasts done by all these bizarre
    methods (start at 550F and turn it off but leave it in all night, or roast
    at 180 for 25 minutes per pound and finish to 450 for a crust, etc.) and I
    urge them to try a low temp roast before deciding what the best way is. A
    small clue about prime rib is that restaurants have specialized pieces of
    equipment called roaster-holders that roast the meats at low temps and hold
    them at 140F for service. The usual beef house roast temp is between 200F
    and 220F. That's because they get more out of the oven and it pleases their
    customers when it's juicy.

  5. "Skyhooks" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    OK, I've cooked prime rib roasts before, although not too often. I'm
    curious (it's an affliction, I swear <g>😉 if I should remove the roast
    from the fridge and let it come to room temp before I put it in the 450F
    oven? Usually, I just take the roast from the fridge to the oven (yes,
    I S&P the thing and a wee bit more), but I wonder if allowing to come to
    room temp first will enhance it somehow? What say y'all?

    Sky, who's curious as always 😉

    P.S. Should I lower the oven temp to 350-375F after the first 15-20
    minutes in the oven?

    Taking the chill off meat is not a bad idea but you always have to keep the
    "Danger Zone in mind.

    http://www.metrokc.gov/health/foodsfty/foodtemps.htm

    "Bacteria, or other germs, need time, food and moisture (or wetness) to grow;
    but they won't grow when the temperature of the food is colder than 41º F or
    hotter than 140º F. The temperatures in between 41º and 140º are in the "Danger
    Zone." Keep potentially hazardous foods out of the "Danger Zone!" For example,
    when food is left in the "Danger Zone", bacteria can grow fast, and make poisons
    that can make your customers and family very sick"

    Dimitri

  6. Skyhooks said:

    OK, I've cooked prime rib roasts before, although not too often. I'm
    curious (it's an affliction, I swear <g>😉 if I should remove the roast
    from the fridge and let it come to room temp before I put it in the 450F
    oven? Usually, I just take the roast from the fridge to the oven (yes,
    I S&P the thing and a wee bit more), but I wonder if allowing to come to
    room temp first will enhance it somehow? What say y'all?

    Sky, who's curious as always 😉

    P.S. Should I lower the oven temp to 350-375F after the first 15-20
    minutes in the oven?

    I never do, and have never had any problems, but it probably would
    cook more evenly if it was at room temp, not to mention quicker.

  7. merryb said:

    On May 3, 2:45 pm, Skyhooks <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    OK, I've cooked prime rib roasts before, although not too often. I'm
    curious (it's an affliction, I swear <g>😉 if I should remove the roast
    from the fridge and let it come to room temp before I put it in the 450F
    oven? Usually, I just take the roast from the fridge to the oven (yes,
    I S&P the thing and a wee bit more), but I wonder if allowing to come to
    room temp first will enhance it somehow? What say y'all?

    Quoted message said:

    I never do, and have never had any problems, but it probably would
    cook more evenly if it was at room temp, not to mention quicker.

    If you actually *want* a roast that is rare in the very center
    and well-done on the outside, then by all means take it directly
    from refrigerator to oven.

    I like a roast, particularly a rib roast, that is a rare pink all the
    way through. I've found the target temperature for removal from
    the oven is 120 F for a high-quality rib roast.

    Steve

  8. Hi Sky; I put mine in a 500* oven for 30 minutes and reduce the temp to
    300 for about 1-1 1/2 hours depending on the size it may take longer.

    Helen

    --
    Helen
    in
    FERGUS/HARLINGEN
    http://www.mompeagram.homestead.com/index.html
    "Skyhooks" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    OK, I've cooked prime rib roasts before, although not too often. I'm
    curious (it's an affliction, I swear <g>😉 if I should remove the roast
    from the fridge and let it come to room temp before I put it in the 450F
    oven? Usually, I just take the roast from the fridge to the oven (yes,
    I S&P the thing and a wee bit more), but I wonder if allowing to come to
    room temp first will enhance it somehow? What say y'all?

    Sky, who's curious as always 😉

    P.S. Should I lower the oven temp to 350-375F after the first 15-20
    minutes in the oven?

  9. I forgot to say. Yes take the roast out of the frig a couple of hours
    ahead.

    Helen

    --
    Helen
    in
    FERGUS/HARLINGEN
    http://www.mompeagram.homestead.com/index.html
    "MOMPEAGRAM" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Hi Sky; I put mine in a 500* oven for 30 minutes and reduce the temp to
    300 for about 1-1 1/2 hours depending on the size it may take longer.

    Helen

    --
    Helen
    in
    FERGUS/HARLINGEN
    http://www.mompeagram.homestead.com/index.html
    "Skyhooks" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    OK, I've cooked prime rib roasts before, although not too often. I'm
    curious (it's an affliction, I swear <g>😉 if I should remove the roast
    from the fridge and let it come to room temp before I put it in the
    450F
    oven? Usually, I just take the roast from the fridge to the oven (yes,
    I S&P the thing and a wee bit more), but I wonder if allowing to come
    to
    room temp first will enhance it somehow? What say y'all?

    Sky, who's curious as always 😉

    P.S. Should I lower the oven temp to 350-375F after the first 15-20
    minutes in the oven?

  10. (no spam) said:


    Here's the Bob Pastorio method for prime rib roasts:

    Roasting Prime Rib Directions

    Funny thing about this. Two outside sources for what I'm about to put down
    here plus having done thousands of them in my restaurants. The two outside
    sources are Harold McGee ("On food and Cooking" and other writings on the
    science of the kitchen) and the current Gourmet magazine that has an article
    on the scientific tests going on now in matters culinary and the surprises
    that have been demonstrated, particularly about meats.

    The basic *laws of physics* rule: The hotter the meat gets, the more
    moisture it loses. Period. When protein gets hot, it contracts and
    surrenders its water-based juices. Fat melts off and out. Putting it into a
    hot oven heats the outside sharply and forms a crust, yes, but it also
    permits the moisture at and just under the surface to dehydrate. The
    moisture in the center of the meat will migrate out to seek osmotic
    equilibrium (sorry for the tech talk). It'll hit the dried crust and soften
    it by dispersing into it and then evaporating. But even more moisture will
    be lost by being squeezed out of the hot protein fibers. Getting that crust
    (called Maillard reactions) is an expensive proposition when you consider
    what you're losing to get it. Something over 15% of the meat and maybe as
    much as 25%.

    The more slowly the meat cooks, the more moisture it will retain since none
    of it will get as hot as it would in a hot oven. (Example: tonight I cooked
    a pork tenderloin in a 200F convection oven. I wanted it to reach 140F and I
    would then carve and serve it. Took 2.5 hours from somewhat above fridge
    temp. No crust to speak of because it was below the boiling point of water
    and so didn't dehydrate the surface. It weighed 3 pounds 7 ounces. It came
    out weighing 3 pounds 2 ounces. I got a 91% yield [50 ounces finished
    divided by 55 ounces as purchased].

    That's considered impossible in foodservice circles using traditional
    cooking methods. And I didn't have time to brine it. That would have netted
    more meat finished.)

    Cooking the meats at low temperatures will retain more juices and provide
    more of the sensation of juiciness than cooking it completely or even for a
    short time at high temperatures. The major reason for the consistent
    moistness across the whole cut face is because the temperature differential
    between the hottest and coldest parts of the roast won't be very large. So
    little of the meat will dry out and draw moisture from the more moist parts.

    Brining it will actually bring more moisture into the meat and, in fact,
    change some of the properties of the protein such that it will surrender
    moisture less willingly. Cooking a brined roast at low temps to the same
    degree of doneness you usually do will result in a tastier, more tender,
    more flavorful and more juicy roast than you can get any other way. You
    can't cook roasts consistently without using a quick-read thermometer.
    Period. You can't cook by minutes per pound and expect consistent results.
    There are too many variables. Bone-in or boneless? Heavy fat cap or none?
    Short and thick or long and flat? Room temperature or cold?

    I hear people tell me how much they like roasts done by all these bizarre
    methods (start at 550F and turn it off but leave it in all night, or roast
    at 180 for 25 minutes per pound and finish to 450 for a crust, etc.) and I
    urge them to try a low temp roast before deciding what the best way is. A
    small clue about prime rib is that restaurants have specialized pieces of
    equipment called roaster-holders that roast the meats at low temps and hold
    them at 140F for service. The usual beef house roast temp is between 200F
    and 220F. That's because they get more out of the oven and it pleases their
    customers when it's juicy.

    Well, I took the suggestion and "low and slow" cooked the rib roast 🙂
    However, I did preheat the oven to 450F because I figured the pan and
    roast would suck up a lot of that initial heat. Then after about 5 or
    10 minutes, I turned the thermostat down to 225F. I also had water in
    the bottom of the roasting pan to prevent any oil splatter, but I
    discovered there really was no need for that since the oven wasn't as
    hot as I was used to.

    I almost had a major goof though <g>. I initially inserted a candy
    thermometer into the roast, but luckily realized within 15 minutes what
    I had done. I rushed to exchange it for the meat thermometer!!! Whew!
    Nothing worse than a well-done prime rib roast (IMNSHO), well almost.

    The roast came out really, really nice! Thanks for all the tips, folks.

    Sky

  11. "Skyhooks" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    OK, I've cooked prime rib roasts before, although not too often. I'm
    curious (it's an affliction, I swear <g>😉 if I should remove the roast
    from the fridge and let it come to room temp before I put it in the 450F
    oven? Usually, I just take the roast from the fridge to the oven (yes,
    I S&P the thing and a wee bit more), but I wonder if allowing to come to
    room temp first will enhance it somehow? What say y'all?

    Sky, who's curious as always 😉

    P.S. Should I lower the oven temp to 350-375F after the first 15-20
    minutes in the oven?


    It's very important to rest the standing rib roast after it reaches 112-115F
    at a subwarming temp[about 90-100F] for 30 minutes. This equilibrates
    the temp from edge to edge. I think this also results in a moister roast
    from edge to
    edge. It tastes better at the table; I can't explain why!
    During that 30 minute period you make your Yorkshire pudding with the pan
    drippings.

    Kent

  12. Kent said:


    "Skyhooks" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    OK, I've cooked prime rib roasts before, although not too often. I'm
    curious (it's an affliction, I swear <g>😉 if I should remove the roast
    from the fridge and let it come to room temp before I put it in the 450F
    oven? Usually, I just take the roast from the fridge to the oven (yes,
    I S&P the thing and a wee bit more), but I wonder if allowing to come to
    room temp first will enhance it somehow? What say y'all?

    Sky, who's curious as always 😉

    P.S. Should I lower the oven temp to 350-375F after the first 15-20
    minutes in the oven?


    It's very important to rest the standing rib roast after it reaches 112-115F
    at a subwarming temp[about 90-100F] for 30 minutes. This equilibrates
    the temp from edge to edge. I think this also results in a moister roast
    from edge to
    edge. It tastes better at the table; I can't explain why!
    During that 30 minute period you make your Yorkshire pudding with the pan
    drippings.

    Kent

    Thanks, Kent. Yes, I "rested" the roast before it was carved. I know
    that's an important part of the process.

    Sky

    Sky

  13. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Skyhooks said:

    OK, I've cooked prime rib roasts before, although not too often. I'm
    curious (it's an affliction, I swear <g>😉 if I should remove the roast
    from the fridge and let it come to room temp before I put it in the 450F
    oven? Usually, I just take the roast from the fridge to the oven (yes,
    I S&P the thing and a wee bit more), but I wonder if allowing to come to
    room temp first will enhance it somehow? What say y'all?

    Sky, who's curious as always 😉

    P.S. Should I lower the oven temp to 350-375F after the first 15-20
    minutes in the oven?

    I've always used the Joy of Cooking method, preheating the oven to 550
    degrees and then turning it down to 325?. JOC says 350? but I've always
    used convection so I lower the temp by 25 degrees. My standing ribs
    have always been one of my very best meals so I'm not about to change my
    method. It's very important to use an excellent, very well marbled cut
    with plenty of top-side fat and I always do a minimum of 5 ribs. I
    remove mine from the fridge at least an hour before roasting.

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