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Just out of curiosity: at this time of year I'm supposed to build a
base physique and do long low intensity rides. However, days are short
and the weather is just plain terrible.
I don't mind the weather for a ride but cleaning my bike and getting
every itty bitty sand out of the chain and drivetrain is just hours of
work. If I don't I'm just grinding components.

I like my trainer but being stationary for about an hour is my limit.
It's a bit annoying to sit still for longer times.

So, how do you people manage? Does anyone spend 3 hours on their
trainer doing long low intensity rides ?

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Quoted message said:

Just out of curiosity: at this time of year I'm supposed to build a
base physique and do long low intensity rides. However, days are short
and the weather is just plain terrible.
I don't mind the weather for a ride but cleaning my bike and getting
every itty bitty sand out of the chain and drivetrain is just hours of
work. If I don't I'm just grinding components.

I like my trainer but being stationary for about an hour is my limit.
It's a bit annoying to sit still for longer times.

So, how do you people manage?

I loathe trainers, although I'll use stationary bikes and probably spin this
year. I'd rather ride in the [censored] and deal with cleaning it (once a week)
than sit on a trainer. My rain bike has an aluminum frame. After wet rides
I'll wipe the chain and get major stuff, then strip down and wash it all.
Here's some help for cleaning if you're interested:

http://www.parktool.com/repair/readhowto.asp?id=85

--
JF

webhead said:

So, how do you people manage?

I live somewhere that you can ride all year, if not every day all
year.

Other people, who live elsewhere? I hear that some of them turn the
lights off.

But seriously, I went to a Spin class the other day and the leader
(who you couldn't hear over the loud, distorted music) (I mean
understand, you could hear her just fine and you probably could have
heard her just fine *without* the microphone) turned down the lights
when it was effort time.

Completely screwed.

Fixed gear bike, some old thing that is expendable, old chains, cheap
cogs and old chainrings, etc. etc. Cleaning optional. That's the way
we did it in the Old Country (GFN).

Do other things. Hike, swim. Stair climbing is great for conditioning
if it doesn't tear you up.

Or find Spin classes where they leave the lights on and don't scream
through blaring speakers.

I'm gonna get an SPL meter this winter, I swear. --D-y

webhead said:

So, how do you people manage? Does anyone spend 3 hours on their
trainer doing long low intensity rides ?

Rollers. Perfect for entertaining yourself.

For example, see my stupid roller tricks from last night...

Next I'll try to bunny-hop off in a full sprint. Will I go skidding across
the floor??

Mark
http://marcofanelli.blogspot.com

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webhead said:

So, how do you people manage? Does anyone spend 3 hours on their
trainer doing long low intensity rides ?

Rollers. Perfect for entertaining yourself.

For example, see my stupid roller tricks from last night...

Next I'll try to bunny-hop off in a full sprint. Will I go skidding across
the floor??

Mark
http://marcofanelli.blogspot.com

Absolutely sick.

--
JF

webhead said:

Just out of curiosity: at this time of year I'm supposed to build a
base physique and do long low intensity rides. However, days are short
and the weather is just plain terrible.
I don't mind the weather for a ride but cleaning my bike and getting
every itty bitty sand out of the chain and drivetrain is just hours of
work. If I don't I'm just grinding components.

I like my trainer but being stationary for about an hour is my limit.
It's a bit annoying to sit still for longer times.

So, how do you people manage? Does anyone spend 3 hours on their
trainer doing long low intensity rides ?

This time of year, we do cyclocross. HTFU!

Quoted message said:

But seriously, I went to a Spin class the other day and the leader
(who you couldn't hear over the loud, distorted music) (I mean
understand, you could hear her just fine and you probably could have
heard her just fine *without* the microphone) turned down the lights
when it was effort time.

I imagine loads of big girls trying to shed some dough there. I kind
of worry that I can't do my own training but it's intriguing though.

I might use an old bike that may be trashed or so and I've tried some
cross training by running or swimming but that just doesn't do it. I
like running somewhat but I'm not good and I seem to get sore rather
easy. Swimming doesn't get my heart rate up high enough and I read
that's due to a lack of technique.

So from what I've gathered most here don't actually train as much as
they keep up a base level of physique until outdoor rides become
favorable again.

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This time of year, we do cyclocross. HTFU!

I'd like to very much but I'm still building my cross bike. I don't
have big $ to spend.

Mark Fennell said:

webhead said:

So, how do you people manage? Does anyone spend 3 hours on their
trainer doing long low intensity rides ?

Rollers. Perfect for entertaining yourself.

For example, see my stupid roller tricks from last night...

Next I'll try to bunny-hop off in a full sprint. Will I go skidding across
the floor??

Good stuff. When I rode rollers a lot I used to entertain folks in the
shop by taking my shirt on and off. I never tried shorts though...

MC

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Mark Fennell said:

webhead said:

So, how do you people manage? Does anyone spend 3 hours on their
trainer doing long low intensity rides ?

Rollers. Perfect for entertaining yourself.

Or hurting yourself.

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For example, see my stupid roller tricks from last night...

Nice work. The standup sprint bit is pretty hard, isn't it? I can't say that I
ever tried to take a foot out of the pedal on rollers. Oh, good choice of music. Too
bad the rest of that record is so, well, overwrought.

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Next I'll try to bunny-hop off in a full sprint. Will I go skidding across
the floor??

Ah, Maddog's patented roastie burnout trick. Make sure you have a padded wall to
plow into.

--
tanx,
Howard

Safe when used as directed...

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

Howard Kveck schreef:

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Mark Fennell said:

Oh, good choice of music.

Trolling for Tosi?

webhead said:

Just out of curiosity: at this time of year I'm supposed to build a
base physique and do long low intensity rides. However, days are short
and the weather is just plain terrible.
I don't mind the weather for a ride but cleaning my bike and getting
every itty bitty sand out of the chain and drivetrain is just hours of
work. If I don't I'm just grinding components.

I like my trainer but being stationary for about an hour is my limit.
It's a bit annoying to sit still for longer times.

So, how do you people manage? Does anyone spend 3 hours on their
trainer doing long low intensity rides ?

RBR's Greatest Hits:

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/browse_frm/thread/644e84fe361431c2/4ddb176d10d0277f#4ddb176d10d0277f

Suddenly, I feel nostalgic.

It's not like there's some magic threshold
where a 3 hour low intensity ride benefits
you and a 1 hour ride doesn't. The 3 hour ride
is just more training volume. So do the 1 hour
ride if that's all you can stand, then go for
a walk or shovel snow or something. Other
people ride outside, or if they're pros or
rich they travel someplace warm. If you're
just worried about grit in the drivetrain, ride
anything, even an old ten speed. The bike makes
little difference to a training ride. If your
derailleur ices up, turn it into a singlespeed.

Or go buy a $50 used mountain bike and race
cyclocross. Don't use money and waiting to build a
CX bike as a reason to skip the season.

Ben

On Dec 2, 7:49 pm, "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

webhead said:

Just out of curiosity: at this time of year I'm supposed to build a
base physique and do long low intensity rides. However, days are short
and the weather is just plain terrible.
I don't mind the weather for a ride but cleaning my bike and getting
every itty bitty sand out of the chain and drivetrain is just hours of
work. If I don't I'm just grinding components.

Quoted message said:

I like my trainer but being stationary for about an hour is my limit.
It's a bit annoying to sit still for longer times.

Quoted message said:

So, how do you people manage? Does anyone spend 3 hours on their
trainer doing long low intensity rides ?

RBR's Greatest Hits:

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/browse_frm/thread/...

Suddenly, I feel nostalgic.

It's not like there's some magic threshold
where a 3 hour low intensity ride benefits
you and a 1 hour ride doesn't. The 3 hour ride
is just more training volume. So do the 1 hour
ride if that's all you can stand, then go for
a walk or shovel snow or something. Other
people ride outside, or if they're pros or
rich they travel someplace warm. If you're
just worried about grit in the drivetrain, ride
anything, even an old ten speed. The bike makes
little difference to a training ride. If your
derailleur ices up, turn it into a singlespeed.

Or go buy a $50 used mountain bike and race
cyclocross. Don't use money and waiting to build a
CX bike as a reason to skip the season.

Ben

You're probably right that the kind of bike doesn't matter to a
training ride.
I don't think that a 1 hour hard ride and snow shoveling would be the
same as a 3 hour ride. Sure it might raise my heartrate slightly but
that's not a problem. I'm pretty sure that maintaining a posture and
way of moving during several hours leads to an adaptation and training
effect unachievable by cross training.
For one thing the kind of muscle simulation leads to a specified
adaptation. I do a lot of weight training (not for cycling purposes,
unrelated) and endurance isn't trained by short period high weight
stimulation but by smaller weight and multiple repetitions.

So I wondered, getting "base miles" early on the season, would that be
for cardiovascular endurance alone? I'm sure posture adaptation would
come into play big time. I'm not sure if it's possible to do a 7 hour
bike ride if you've only done 1 hour interval training for months on
end.
From what I've learned out of exercise physiology is that short high
intensity rides help prevent decline in VO2max and although it does
decline much less fast, it drops nevertheless.

To put it simply: I think in order to train for long bike rides I'd
need to do long bike rides or am I just completely missing something
here. It just seems somewhat contradictory that the time of year you
need to do your long hours of training just coincides with bad weather
and short daytime.

webhead said:

Just out of curiosity: at this time of year I'm supposed to build a
base physique and do long low intensity rides. However, days are short
and the weather is just plain terrible.
I don't mind the weather for a ride but cleaning my bike and getting
every itty bitty sand out of the chain and drivetrain is just hours of
work. If I don't I'm just grinding components.

I like my trainer but being stationary for about an hour is my limit.
It's a bit annoying to sit still for longer times.

So, how do you people manage? Does anyone spend 3 hours on their
trainer doing long low intensity rides ?

You might be amazed that I do practically all my easy rides indoors on
my trainer. I live in downtown Paris and riding outside can be fairly
annoying, and pretty much every outdoor ride is either too stressful
or too hard for recovery. My longest trainer ride is about 1:30.

-ilan

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webhead said:

Just out of curiosity: at this time of year I'm supposed to build a
base physique and do long low intensity rides. However, days are short
and the weather is just plain terrible.
I don't mind the weather for a ride but cleaning my bike and getting
every itty bitty sand out of the chain and drivetrain is just hours of
work. If I don't I'm just grinding components.

I like my trainer but being stationary for about an hour is my limit.
It's a bit annoying to sit still for longer times.

So, how do you people manage? Does anyone spend 3 hours on their
trainer doing long low intensity rides ?

You might be amazed that I do practically all my easy rides indoors on
my trainer. I live in downtown Paris and riding outside can be fairly
annoying, and pretty much every outdoor ride is either too stressful
or too hard for recovery. My longest trainer ride is about 1:30.

Hey Ilan, when are you coming back to Stanford?

Tom

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webhead said:

Just out of curiosity: at this time of year I'm supposed to build a
base physique and do long low intensity rides. However, days are short
and the weather is just plain terrible.
I don't mind the weather for a ride but cleaning my bike and getting
every itty bitty sand out of the chain and drivetrain is just hours of
work. If I don't I'm just grinding components.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I like my trainer but being stationary for about an hour is my limit.
It's a bit annoying to sit still for longer times.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

So, how do you people manage? Does anyone spend 3 hours on their
trainer doing long low intensity rides ?

Quoted message said:

You might be amazed that I do practically all my easy rides indoors on
my trainer. I live in downtown Paris and riding outside can be fairly
annoying, and pretty much every outdoor ride is either too stressful
or too hard for recovery. My longest trainer ride is about 1:30.

Hey Ilan, when are you coming back to Stanford?

Tom

Not to Stanford. I doubt whether I'll be visiting the Bay Area before
2009, and I'll probably stay in Berkeley.
Thanks for asking!

-ilan

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webhead said:

Just out of curiosity: at this time of year I'm supposed to build a
base physique and do long low intensity rides. However, days are short
and the weather is just plain terrible.
I don't mind the weather for a ride but cleaning my bike and getting
every itty bitty sand out of the chain and drivetrain is just hours of
work. If I don't I'm just grinding components.

I like my trainer but being stationary for about an hour is my limit.
It's a bit annoying to sit still for longer times.

So, how do you people manage? Does anyone spend 3 hours on their
trainer doing long low intensity rides ?

RBR's Greatest Hits:

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/browse_frm/thread/644e84fe361431c2/4ddb176d10d0277f#4ddb176d10d0277f

But who can watch television for seven hours?
No, don't tell me.

--
Michael Press

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On Dec 1, 6:55 pm, webhead <[email hidden]> wrote:
> Just out of curiosity: at this time of year I'm supposed to build a
> base physique and do long low intensity rides. However, days are short
> and the weather is just plain terrible.
> I don't mind the weather for a ride but cleaning my bike and getting
> every itty bitty sand out of the chain and drivetrain is just hours of
> work. If I don't I'm just grinding components.

Quoted message said:

> I like my trainer but being stationary for about an hour is my limit.
> It's a bit annoying to sit still for longer times.

Quoted message said:

> So, how do you people manage? Does anyone spend 3 hours on their
> trainer doing long low intensity rides ?

Quoted message said:

You might be amazed that I do practically all my easy rides indoors on
my trainer. I live in downtown Paris and riding outside can be fairly
annoying, and pretty much every outdoor ride is either too stressful
or too hard for recovery. My longest trainer ride is about 1:30.

Hey Ilan, when are you coming back to Stanford?

Tom

Not to Stanford. I doubt whether I'll be visiting the Bay Area before
2009, and I'll probably stay in Berkeley.

When you're in town let me know and I'll buy you dinner in one of the real
dives out there in Berkeley. You know - Chez Panisse? Well, the owner's
daughter has this great Mexican restaurant out near the freeway.

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Tom Kunich' cyclintom@yahoo. com said:

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> On Dec 1, 6:55 pm, webhead <[email hidden]> wrote:
>> Just out of curiosity: at this time of year I'm supposed to build a
>> base physique and do long low intensity rides. However, days are short
>> and the weather is just plain terrible.
>> I don't mind the weather for a ride but cleaning my bike and getting
>> every itty bitty sand out of the chain and drivetrain is just hours of
>> work. If I don't I'm just grinding components.

>> I like my trainer but being stationary for about an hour is my limit.
>> It's a bit annoying to sit still for longer times.

>> So, how do you people manage? Does anyone spend 3 hours on their
>> trainer doing long low intensity rides ?

> You might be amazed that I do practically all my easy rides indoors on
> my trainer. I live in downtown Paris and riding outside can be fairly
> annoying, and pretty much every outdoor ride is either too stressful
> or too hard for recovery. My longest trainer ride is about 1:30.

Hey Ilan, when are you coming back to Stanford?

Not to Stanford. I doubt whether I'll be visiting the Bay Area before
2009, and I'll probably stay in Berkeley.

When you're in town let me know and I'll buy you dinner in one of the real
dives out there in Berkeley. You know - Chez Panisse? Well, the owner's
daughter has this great Mexican restaurant out near the freeway.

Rose Bistro on Shattuck near University.
My birthday dinner is memorable.
Ask for something not on the wine list. I did.

--
Michael Press