ABC 774 - Bike path discussion + talkback

cfsmtb said:

Currently on ABC 774 with Robin from DarebinBUG and Mark from BV. Should have a mp3 this arvo for your listening pleasure. 🙂

Quick precis, pretty good onair allocation (10mins+) - lots of talkback & sms. And talkback + sms from at least two 'known' suspects. 😄

cfsmtb said:

Quick precis, pretty good onair allocation (10mins+) - lots of talkback & sms. And talkback + sms from at least two 'known' suspects. 😄

'peter from surrey hills' is 'known' also (presuming he wasnt in your count)
Greens candidate and BBUGerer

flyingdutch said:

'peter from surrey hills' is 'known' also (presuming he wasnt in your count) Greens candidate and BBUGerer

Not that troublemaker 'Fil' again, was it? 😄

cfsmtb said:

Not that troublemaker 'Fil' again, was it? 😄

Peter Campbell. is pushing for an 'Eastern Railtrail': hence his 'angle'

refer:
lexicon.netEastern rail trail proposal 0.3.htmlOpen ↗

a bit rough. makes sense in bigger picture. a few areas are gonna be tricky tho 🙁

Link to audio from this morning 19/12 - file (6mb & 26 minutes) should be there for a few weeks

I'll also host it on YarraBUG & post a link later.

Top work Robin, well done! 🙂

cfsmtb said:

cfsmtb said:

Currently on ABC 774 with Robin from DarebinBUG and Mark from BV. Should
have a mp3 this arvo for your listening pleasure. 🙂

Quick precis, pretty good onair allocation (10mins+) - lots of talkback
& sms. And talkback + sms from at least two 'known' suspects. 😄

Had a listen. Heard Jason from North Balwyn but was wondering why
FlyingDutch wasn't ringing up. And Jason asking someone from BV
questions had me coughing <cough> setup <end cough>. But great to hear
so much airplay.

Good to hear 2500 Yarra Trail users per week day. Maybe the woman who
complained about the lack of users should have been reminded that maybe
that perception is because there is no gridlock like on the road.

DaveB

On 2005-12-19, DaveB (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:

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cfsmtb said:

cfsmtb said:

Currently on ABC 774 with Robin from DarebinBUG and Mark from BV. Should
have a mp3 this arvo for your listening pleasure. 🙂

Quick precis, pretty good onair allocation (10mins+) - lots of talkback
& sms. And talkback + sms from at least two 'known' suspects. 😄

Had a listen. Heard Jason from North Balwyn but was wondering why
FlyingDutch wasn't ringing up. And Jason asking someone from BV
questions had me coughing <cough> setup <end cough>. But great to hear
so much airplay.

Heh. I just listened to it (the pain I have to go through, because of
that freaking system upgrade[1]. xmms can't play mp3s anymore. What
the feck is the good of that?). But I digress.

Possibly Jason didn't quite emphasise enough that tax payers pay for
the roads (sure, he said rego /doesn't/ pay for them). So it is
sensible for taxpayers also to pay for bike paths, particularly since
current Australian bike path spending is an average of $3 per capita
(and roads are a hellovalota more expensive than that).

I guess there's only so much you can say in a 30 second call before
non-believers switch off.

[1] The university has just replaced every single phone with an $600
IP phone. The rings all sound the same, so I can't tell whose phone
is ringing. The system keeps going down, and you certainly won't want
to rely on them in an emergency. And you need to have a windows
account to use voicemail. And it's not at all like with have an
ethernet port shortage up here, is it?! Furrfu!

--
TimC
Experiments must be reproducible; they should all fail in the same way.

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>> "cfsmtb" == cfsmtb <[email hidden]> writes:

cfsmtb> Link to audio from this morning 19/12 - file (6mb & 26
cfsmtb> minutes) should be there for a few weeks
cfsmtb> http://users.tpg.com.au/adslmith/cm/3loBikepaths191205.mp3

Thanks for that.

In one respect I found the article uplifting, in another way I found it
rather depressing.

The uplifting aspect is that it was acknowledged that the bike path
network was engineered and designed as a recreational network rather
than a transport network.

The depressing aspect is that caller after caller identified a fear of
using the roads. ``I'd use my bike but I'm scared of the road.''

A couple of days ago I stumbled upon this article:

http://www.bikexprt.com/research/pasanen/index.htm

From the abstract:

``In the City of Helsinki, the number of injury-causing bicycle
accidents per km traveled is 5-times higher than for motorcar traffic
and 10-times higher than for bus traffic.

A recent study in Helsinki showed that it is safer to cycle on streets
amongst cars than on our two-way cycle paths along streets. It is hard
to imagine that our present two-way cycling network could be
rebuilt. But in those countries and cities which are just beginning to
build their cycling facilities, two-way cycle paths should be avoided in
urban street networks.

Even in more advanced cycling countries like Denmark and in the
Netherlands, with a lot of cyclists and with their one-way lanes and
paths, cycling is still much more dangerous than car driving or public
transport.''

Granted accidents per km travelled is a poor measure for comparison,
typically cars achieve a far greater mileage than cars. Also no
consideration is given to the comparable severity of injuries or the
decreased health costs which come about from better health from cycling.

What is clear though is that bicycle paths are more dangerous than using
the roads.

``Figure 2 shows that 45% of the cycling kilometres in Helsinki are on
cycle paths along streets, but 56% of injury accidents happen to these
cyclists.''

I've yet to see a study which proves that off road bike paths are safer
than cycling on the roads, so why are we persisting with off-road bike
paths for transport?
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Cheers | ~~ __@
Euan | ~~ _-\<,
Melbourne, Australia | ~ (*)/ (*)

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>> "TimC" == TimC <[email hidden]> writes:

TimC> Heh. I just listened to it (the pain I have to go through,
TimC> because of that freaking system upgrade[1]. xmms can't play
TimC> mp3s anymore. What the feck is the good of that?). But I
TimC> digress.

Red Hat? It's a patent issue if it is, nothing stopping you loading the
codecs yourself but Red Hat will not open themselves to lawsuits by
distributing a proprietary codec. But I digress :-)

TimC> Possibly Jason didn't quite emphasise enough that tax payers
TimC> pay for the roads (sure, he said rego /doesn't/ pay for them).
TimC> So it is sensible for taxpayers also to pay for bike paths,
TimC> particularly since current Australian bike path spending is an
TimC> average of $3 per capita (and roads are a hellovalota more
TimC> expensive than that).

I thought Jason did a great job actually. Paraphrasing, ``not 1 cent of
rego goes to roads''. Pretty clear to me.

TimC> [1] The university has just replaced every single phone with
TimC> an $600 IP phone. The rings all sound the same, so I can't
TimC> tell whose phone is ringing. The system keeps going down, and
TimC> you certainly won't want to rely on them in an emergency. And
TimC> you need to have a windows account to use voicemail. And it's
TimC> not at all like with have an ethernet port shortage up here,
TimC> is it?! Furrfu!

We're trialling IP phones at work, so far they're excellent. We're
using Nortel, no extra ethernet ports required. One port plugs in to
the 'phone and a patch lead plugs the 'phone in to the computer.
Voicemail's done by call pilot as per usual.

What system are you using? Sounds like a real bone one.
--
Cheers | ~~ __@
Euan | ~~ _-\<,
Melbourne, Australia | ~ (*)/ (*)

On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 07:48:42 GMT, Euan said (and I quote):

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I've yet to see a study which proves that off road bike paths are safer
than cycling on the roads, so why are we persisting with off-road bike
paths for transport?

Who's "we"?

Anyway, the answer is because it suits the motorists' agenda.

Motorists hate it when cyclists use the road. They want us off the road
system (which also happens to be the best quality, most comprehensive
cycle system) so they can have it all to themselves.

Foolish and ignorant cyclists have been brainwashed by motorists to
believe that cycling on the road is dangerous, and so have been co-opted
into the motorists agenda.
--
What was I thinking?

TimC said:

I guess there's only so much you can say in a 30 second call before
non-believers switch off.

tip someone gave me recently. make one point.
clearly. try not to gablle/get-sidetracked or you sound like a lefty-raving-pinko-commy-collingwood-supporter
🙄

flyingdutch said:

tip someone gave me recently. make one point.
clearly. try not to gablle/get-sidetracked or you sound like a lefty-raving-pinko-commy-collingwood-supporter
🙄

Spot on - say one thing, say it well, say it clearly and repeat as required. Push your one statement, don't get sucked into the inerviewer's agenda. Bring the interviewer back to your one point as necessary (remember - journo's are airheads and lose track of your point - you have to keep reminding them :p ). Think of a snappy one-liner as the sound grab - the journo can then hang their story on that one line: journo gets their piece and you get your one thing across and aired.