Abadzhiev "After Sydney, I'll quit the weightlifting."
Interviewer "And then what?"
"That's it. I am very old. I don't think I will live much longer. I used to know one old lady who all her life, up to when she turned 105, lived in a small village, had a small farm and a cow. And then decided that she is too old for early morning wake-up, farm work. She gave her cow to the neighbors. And then she died in a few months. When a person stops to work intensively - whatever he's doing - his body loses it. He gets ill. But... I'll think about it. Maybe I will keep my cow for a while."
Abadzhiev "After Sydney, I'll quit the weightlifting."
Interviewer "And then what?"
"That's it. I am very old. I don't think I will live much longer. I used to know one old lady who all her life, up to when she turned 105, lived in a small village, had a small farm and a cow. And then decided that she is too old for early morning wake-up, farm work. She gave her cow to the neighbors. And then she died in a few months. When a person stops to work intensively - whatever he's doing - his body loses it. He gets ill. But... I'll think about it. Maybe I will keep my cow for a while."
You neglected to tag this as "OT". What does this have to do with politics or overweight women and dating? -- -Larry
Abadzhiev "After Sydney, I'll quit the weightlifting."
Interviewer "And then what?"
"That's it. I am very old. I don't think I will live much longer. I used to know one old lady who all her life, up to when she turned 105, lived in a small village, had a small farm and a cow. And then decided that she is too old for early morning wake-up, farm work. She gave her cow to the neighbors. And then she died in a few months. When a person stops to work intensively - whatever he's doing - his body loses it. He gets ill. But... I'll think about it. Maybe I will keep my cow for a while."
You neglected to tag this as "OT". What does this have to do with politics or overweight women and dating?
He should have also mentioned that they were juiced to the gills.
Abadzhiev "After Sydney, I'll quit the weightlifting."
Interviewer "And then what?"
"That's it. I am very old. I don't think I will live much longer. I used to know one old lady who all her life, up to when she turned 105, lived in a small village, had a small farm and a cow. And then decided that she is too old for early morning wake-up, farm work. She gave her cow to the neighbors. And then she died in a few months. When a person stops to work intensively - whatever he's doing - his body loses it. He gets ill. But... I'll think about it. Maybe I will keep my cow for a while."
You neglected to tag this as "OT". What does this have to do with politics or overweight women and dating?
He should have also mentioned that they were juiced to the gills.
He does in the article. But they point out they weren't taking anything better than the other guys were. You don't think the Russians and the Americans were juiced in the 70's? You honestly think Bulgaria has better drug technology than the USA?
On Mon, 23 May 2005 21:58:15 -0700, "Larry Hodges" <[email hidden]> wrote in misc.fitness.weights:
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Hobbes wrote: > A great interview with the Bulgarian national team coach from the > 70's and 80's who took Bulgaria to the top in olympic weightlifting. > > http://www.chidlovski.net/liftup/a_interview_abadzhiev_111999.asp > > My favorite quote in the article: > > Abadzhiev > "After Sydney, I'll quit the weightlifting." > > Interviewer > "And then what?" > > "That's it. I am very old. I don't think I will live much longer. I > used to know one old lady who all her life, up to when she turned > 105, lived in a small village, had a small farm and a cow. And then > decided that she is too old for early morning wake-up, farm work. She > gave her cow to the neighbors. And then she died in a few months. > When a person stops to work intensively - whatever he's doing - his > body loses it. He gets ill. But... I'll think about it. Maybe I will > keep my cow for a while."
You neglected to tag this as "OT". What does this have to do with politics or overweight women and dating?
He should have also mentioned that they were juiced to the gills.
He does in the article. But they point out they weren't taking anything better than the other guys were. You don't think the Russians and the Americans were juiced in the 70's? You honestly think Bulgaria has better drug technology than the USA?
No, but these days the US has better drug testing technology (and enforcement), and "tested" US lifters need to be more careful and restricted in what and when they take than do "tested" lifters in certain other countries.
I'll admit I don't know much about the history of drug testing back to the 70's. Is it possible the same was true back then?
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On Mon, 23 May 2005 21:58:15 -0700, "Larry Hodges" <[email hidden]> wrote in misc.fitness.weights:
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Hobbes wrote: > A great interview with the Bulgarian national team coach from the > 70's and 80's who took Bulgaria to the top in olympic weightlifting. > > http://www.chidlovski.net/liftup/a_interview_abadzhiev_111999.asp > > My favorite quote in the article: > > Abadzhiev > "After Sydney, I'll quit the weightlifting." > > Interviewer > "And then what?" > > "That's it. I am very old. I don't think I will live much longer. I > used to know one old lady who all her life, up to when she turned > 105, lived in a small village, had a small farm and a cow. And then > decided that she is too old for early morning wake-up, farm work. She > gave her cow to the neighbors. And then she died in a few months. > When a person stops to work intensively - whatever he's doing - his > body loses it. He gets ill. But... I'll think about it. Maybe I will > keep my cow for a while."
You neglected to tag this as "OT". What does this have to do with politics or overweight women and dating?
He should have also mentioned that they were juiced to the gills.
He does in the article. But they point out they weren't taking anything better than the other guys were. You don't think the Russians and the Americans were juiced in the 70's? You honestly think Bulgaria has better drug technology than the USA?
I don't know. Ever hear about the Eastern Block countries using surgery to improve an athletes leverages? I just heard that rumor a couple of weeks ago.
On Mon, 23 May 2005 21:58:15 -0700, "Larry Hodges" <[email hidden]> wrote in misc.fitness.weights:
>Hobbes wrote: >> A great interview with the Bulgarian national team coach from the >> 70's and 80's who took Bulgaria to the top in olympic weightlifting. >> >> http://www.chidlovski.net/liftup/a_interview_abadzhiev_111999.asp >> >> My favorite quote in the article: >> >> Abadzhiev >> "After Sydney, I'll quit the weightlifting." >> >> Interviewer >> "And then what?" >> >> "That's it. I am very old. I don't think I will live much longer. I >> used to know one old lady who all her life, up to when she turned >> 105, lived in a small village, had a small farm and a cow. And then >> decided that she is too old for early morning wake-up, farm work. She >> gave her cow to the neighbors. And then she died in a few months. >> When a person stops to work intensively - whatever he's doing - his >> body loses it. He gets ill. But... I'll think about it. Maybe I will >> keep my cow for a while." > >You neglected to tag this as "OT". What does this have to do with >politics >or overweight women and dating?
He should have also mentioned that they were juiced to the gills.
He does in the article. But they point out they weren't taking anything better than the other guys were. You don't think the Russians and the Americans were juiced in the 70's? You honestly think Bulgaria has better drug technology than the USA?
No, but these days the US has better drug testing technology (and enforcement), and "tested" US lifters need to be more careful and restricted in what and when they take than do "tested" lifters in certain other countries.
I'll admit I don't know much about the history of drug testing back to the 70's. Is it possible the same was true back then?
No. Steroids were pretty much legal. Ask Mike Bridges.
And Carl Lewis pretty much shows drug testing in American T&F was aimed at making sure you didn't get caught internationally. Same as the other guys.
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On Mon, 23 May 2005 21:58:15 -0700, "Larry Hodges" <[email hidden]> wrote in misc.fitness.weights:
>Hobbes wrote: >> A great interview with the Bulgarian national team coach from the >> 70's and 80's who took Bulgaria to the top in olympic weightlifting. >> >> http://www.chidlovski.net/liftup/a_interview_abadzhiev_111999.asp >> >> My favorite quote in the article: >> >> Abadzhiev >> "After Sydney, I'll quit the weightlifting." >> >> Interviewer >> "And then what?" >> >> "That's it. I am very old. I don't think I will live much longer. I >> used to know one old lady who all her life, up to when she turned >> 105, lived in a small village, had a small farm and a cow. And then >> decided that she is too old for early morning wake-up, farm work. She >> gave her cow to the neighbors. And then she died in a few months. >> When a person stops to work intensively - whatever he's doing - his >> body loses it. He gets ill. But... I'll think about it. Maybe I will >> keep my cow for a while." > >You neglected to tag this as "OT". What does this have to do with
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>or overweight women and dating?
He should have also mentioned that they were juiced to the gills.
He does in the article. But they point out they weren't taking anything better than the other guys were. You don't think the Russians and the Americans were juiced in the 70's? You honestly think Bulgaria has better drug technology than the USA?
Urban legend. If you ask they will say they moved the biceps insertion. Which, of course, is a non-facor in weightlifting.
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I don't know. Ever hear about the Eastern Block countries using surgery to improve an athletes leverages? I just heard that rumor a couple of weeks ago.
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On Tue, 24 May 2005 06:35:14 -0600, [email hidden] (Hobbes) wrote in misc.fitness.weights:
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> On Mon, 23 May 2005 21:58:15 -0700, "Larry Hodges" > <[email hidden]> wrote in misc.fitness.weights: > > >Hobbes wrote: > >> A great interview with the Bulgarian national team coach from the > >> 70's and 80's who took Bulgaria to the top in olympic weightlifting. > >> > >> http://www.chidlovski.net/liftup/a_interview_abadzhiev_111999.asp > >> > >> My favorite quote in the article: > >> > >> Abadzhiev > >> "After Sydney, I'll quit the weightlifting." > >> > >> Interviewer > >> "And then what?" > >> > >> "That's it. I am very old. I don't think I will live much longer. I > >> used to know one old lady who all her life, up to when she turned > >> 105, lived in a small village, had a small farm and a cow. And then > >> decided that she is too old for early morning wake-up, farm work. She > >> gave her cow to the neighbors. And then she died in a few months. > >> When a person stops to work intensively - whatever he's doing - his > >> body loses it. He gets ill. But... I'll think about it. Maybe I will > >> keep my cow for a while." > > > >You neglected to tag this as "OT". What does this have to do with
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> >or overweight women and dating? > > He should have also mentioned that they were juiced to the gills.
He does in the article. But they point out they weren't taking anything better than the other guys were. You don't think the Russians and the Americans were juiced in the 70's? You honestly think Bulgaria has better drug technology than the USA?
Urban legend. If you ask they will say they moved the biceps insertion. Which, of course, is a non-facor in weightlifting.
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I don't know. Ever hear about the Eastern Block countries using surgery to improve an athletes leverages? I just heard that rumor a couple of weeks ago.
Top posting now? Actually, it was moving leg muscles and it related to powerlifters.
Urban legend. If you ask they will say they moved the biceps insertion. Which, of course, is a non-facor in weightlifting.
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I don't know. Ever hear about the Eastern Block countries using surgery to improve an athletes leverages? I just heard that rumor a couple of weeks ago.
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Top posting now? Actually, it was moving leg muscles and it related to powerlifters.
How could you move leg muscles to improve leverage?
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On Wed, 25 May 2005 06:34:24 -0600, [email hidden] (Hobbes) wrote in misc.fitness.weights:
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On Tue, 24 May 2005 06:35:14 -0600, [email hidden] (Hobbes) wrote in misc.fitness.weights:
>In article <[email hidden]>, John Hanson ><[email hidden]> wrote: > >> On Mon, 23 May 2005 21:58:15 -0700, "Larry Hodges" >> <[email hidden]> wrote in misc.fitness.weights: >> >> >Hobbes wrote: >> >> A great interview with the Bulgarian national team coach from the >> >> 70's and 80's who took Bulgaria to the top in olympic weightlifting. >> >> >> >> http://www.chidlovski.net/liftup/a_interview_abadzhiev_111999.asp >> >> >> >> My favorite quote in the article: >> >> >> >> Abadzhiev >> >> "After Sydney, I'll quit the weightlifting." >> >> >> >> Interviewer >> >> "And then what?" >> >> >> >> "That's it. I am very old. I don't think I will live much longer. I >> >> used to know one old lady who all her life, up to when she turned >> >> 105, lived in a small village, had a small farm and a cow. And then >> >> decided that she is too old for early morning wake-up, farm work. She >> >> gave her cow to the neighbors. And then she died in a few months. >> >> When a person stops to work intensively - whatever he's doing - his >> >> body loses it. He gets ill. But... I'll think about it. Maybe I will >> >> keep my cow for a while." >> > >> >You neglected to tag this as "OT". What does this have to do with
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>> >or overweight women and dating? >> >> He should have also mentioned that they were juiced to the gills. > >He does in the article. But they point out they weren't taking anything >better than the other guys were. You don't think the Russians and the >Americans were juiced in the 70's? You honestly think Bulgaria has better >drug technology than the USA?
Urban legend. If you ask they will say they moved the biceps insertion. Which, of course, is a non-facor in weightlifting.
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I don't know. Ever hear about the Eastern Block countries using surgery to improve an athletes leverages? I just heard that rumor a couple of weeks ago.
Top posting now? Actually, it was moving leg muscles and it related to powerlifters.
Then it is [censored] for sure. Until the breakup of the Soviet bloc there was no organized powerlifting to speak of in the Soviet Union. They only brought their science to sports which gave them olympic medals. Check the numbers for Soviet powerlifting. Russian powerlifting - yes.
Plus you'd have to tear apart a person's body to move all the necessary insertions. I'm calling [censored] on that one. Let's see some proof. WHo are they saying it about? Sivokan? Mor? Where are the scars?
Urban legend. If you ask they will say they moved the biceps insertion. Which, of course, is a non-facor in weightlifting. > I don't know. Ever hear about the Eastern Block countries using > surgery to improve an athletes leverages? I just heard that rumor a > couple of weeks ago.
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Top posting now? Actually, it was moving leg muscles and it related to powerlifters.
How could you move leg muscles to improve leverage?
Build up under the patella. Move the hamstring further from the joints at both origin and insertion. There are ways. But it would be very difficult and powerlifting simply isn't that big a sport in Russian and it was non-existant in the former Soviet Union.
It's excuses is what it is. Blame the drugs. Blame the technology. The fact is that weightlifting is culturally huge in Eastern Europe and they don't lose all their top athletes to pro sports. Simple as that.
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How could you move leg muscles to improve leverage?
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Build up under the patella. Move the hamstring further from the joints at both origin and insertion. There are ways.
Ah, OK. Though that doesn't seem to add much.
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But it would be very difficult and powerlifting simply isn't that big a sport in Russian and it was non-existant in the former Soviet Union.
That's right. Powerlifting won't earn you a living no matter here or there. I'd believe in operations like that for weightlifters in USSR when the sport was state-sponsored, but now everybody is pretty much on their own and you cannot just drop by any hospital there and ask them to move muscle attachement points for free.
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It's excuses is what it is. Blame the drugs. Blame the technology. The fact is that weightlifting is culturally huge in Eastern Europe and they don't lose all their top athletes to pro sports. Simple as that.
Well, drugs might be a little different. In a sense that Anabol and such were pretty much a staple for PLs/WLs in ex'USSR up till now. Commonly accepted view is that it is very difficult to make Master of Sports in PL without drugs (possible, but not for everybody). Though they're cracking on it now, so it's probably going to be like with BB here (most of the elite will use it, but at least it won't be readily available to any teen who wants to bulk a bit).
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On Wed, 25 May 2005 06:34:24 -0600, [email hidden] (Hobbes) wrote in misc.fitness.weights:
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> On Tue, 24 May 2005 06:35:14 -0600, [email hidden] (Hobbes) wrote > in misc.fitness.weights: > > >In article <[email hidden]>, John Hanson > ><[email hidden]> wrote: > > > >> On Mon, 23 May 2005 21:58:15 -0700, "Larry Hodges" > >> <[email hidden]> wrote in misc.fitness.weights: > >> > >> >Hobbes wrote: > >> >> A great interview with the Bulgarian national team coach from the > >> >> 70's and 80's who took Bulgaria to the top in olympic weightlifting. > >> >> > >> >> http://www.chidlovski.net/liftup/a_interview_abadzhiev_111999.asp > >> >> > >> >> My favorite quote in the article: > >> >> > >> >> Abadzhiev > >> >> "After Sydney, I'll quit the weightlifting." > >> >> > >> >> Interviewer > >> >> "And then what?" > >> >> > >> >> "That's it. I am very old. I don't think I will live much longer. I > >> >> used to know one old lady who all her life, up to when she turned > >> >> 105, lived in a small village, had a small farm and a cow. And then > >> >> decided that she is too old for early morning wake-up, farm work. She > >> >> gave her cow to the neighbors. And then she died in a few months. > >> >> When a person stops to work intensively - whatever he's doing - his > >> >> body loses it. He gets ill. But... I'll think about it. Maybe I will > >> >> keep my cow for a while." > >> > > >> >You neglected to tag this as "OT". What does this have to do with politics > >> >or overweight women and dating? > >> > >> He should have also mentioned that they were juiced to the gills. > > > >He does in the article. But they point out they weren't taking anything > >better than the other guys were. You don't think the Russians and the > >Americans were juiced in the 70's? You honestly think Bulgaria has better > >drug technology than the USA? >
Urban legend. If you ask they will say they moved the biceps insertion. Which, of course, is a non-facor in weightlifting. > I don't know. Ever hear about the Eastern Block countries using > surgery to improve an athletes leverages? I just heard that rumor a > couple of weeks ago.
Top posting now? Actually, it was moving leg muscles and it related to powerlifters.
Then it is [censored] for sure. Until the breakup of the Soviet bloc there was no organized powerlifting to speak of in the Soviet Union. They only brought their science to sports which gave them olympic medals. Check the numbers for Soviet powerlifting. Russian powerlifting - yes.
Plus you'd have to tear apart a person's body to move all the necessary insertions. I'm calling [censored] on that one. Let's see some proof. WHo are they saying it about? Sivokan? Mor? Where are the scars?
Nobody in particular. Like I said, I heard a rumor. Also, I heard it was current practice.
The thing is, when you cut a tendon or ligament and then re-attach it, it does not heal perfectly - it's always weaker in that point. Especially if you're attaching it to a different part of a bone - the bone-tendon interface is a tricky one. So I'm having a bit of trouble believing that a tendon re-attached this way can still hold any appreciable amount of weight. A person might be able to walk after this was done, but powerlifting?
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The thing is, when you cut a tendon or ligament and then re-attach it, it does not heal perfectly - it's always weaker in that point. Especially if you're attaching it to a different part of a bone - the bone-tendon interface is a tricky one. So I'm having a bit of trouble believing that a tendon re-attached this way can still hold any appreciable amount of weight. A person might be able to walk after this was done, but powerlifting?
Well, when my buddy Shawn had is biceps reattached, his doctor told him that the attachment will be stronger than the original. It was my first question to him and his to his doctor. We were both curious as to whether he would be more susceptible to it tearing in the future.
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The thing is, when you cut a tendon or ligament and then re-attach it, it does not heal perfectly - it's always weaker in that point. Especially if you're attaching it to a different part of a bone - the bone-tendon interface is a tricky one. So I'm having a bit of trouble believing that a tendon re-attached this way can still hold any appreciable amount of weight. A person might be able to walk after this was done, but powerlifting?
Well, when my buddy Shawn had is biceps reattached, his doctor told him that the attachment will be stronger than the original. It was my first question to him and his to his doctor. We were both curious as to whether he would be more susceptible to it tearing in the future.
My experience is the same. As a general rule the body heals stronger than the original - bones, for example.
One thing I had heard of in the past is the Soviets doing experiments and breaking bones on lifters systematically to get stronger bones. Once again I'm a little leery. They may have tried it on a few inmates in Siberia to see what happens, but I'd be suprised if it was done on their elite athletes.
Abadzhiev "After Sydney, I'll quit the weightlifting."
Interviewer "And then what?"
"That's it. I am very old. I don't think I will live much longer. I used to know one old lady who all her life, up to when she turned 105, lived in a small village, had a small farm and a cow. And then decided that she is too old for early morning wake-up, farm work. She gave her cow to the neighbors. And then she died in a few months. When a person stops to work intensively - whatever he's doing - his body loses it. He gets ill. But... I'll think about it. Maybe I will keep my cow for a while."
You neglected to tag this as "OT". What does this have to do with politics or overweight women and dating?
Bones, yes; but I'm not sure if it's true for tendons. I could be wrong.
When I was researching hand surgery for my wrists (thank God I didn't go through with it), one of the listed drawbacks of the surgery was that the scar in the tendon is not as strong as the tendon itself - tendons don't generally heal very well.
Bones, yes; but I'm not sure if it's true for tendons. I could be wrong.
When I was researching hand surgery for my wrists (thank God I didn't go through with it), one of the listed drawbacks of the surgery was that the scar in the tendon is not as strong as the tendon itself - tendons don't generally heal very well.
LM
John was talking about tendon insertion points - tendon on bone. A severed tendon may not heal well, but the bones are so metabolically active that tendon on bone heals very well.
