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  1. Those of you in New York and New England (and probably Tennessee Titans
    fans as well) know what kind of weather they're talking about for today.
    Not all-time record low, but probably a record low for the date, and
    possibly a record lowest daily high. When I got up this morning it was
    about -2°F, and by 10:00 it had warmed up to a toasty zero.

    My family had been bugging me last night to go out and get ice cream, but I refused. However I
    decided today might be a good day for a winter ride just to see how I fared, and to get the ice
    cream without having to worry about it melting on the way home. So went through my ski clothes
    trying to figure out what would be about right to keep my face, hands and feet warm without making
    my torso sweat. For my hands, I ended up with a pair of Pearl Izumi full-finger cool-weather cycling
    gloves under a pair of heavy leather fleece-lined mittens. On my head I put a silk balaclava mask
    with a foam rubber-like half-face mask over it, and my helmet on top. Then a regular cotton t-shirt
    and turtle neck, and my regular winter coat with a liner which can be zipped separately. On my legs
    I had a pair of sweat pants under a pair of insulated nylon warmup pants. My feet had a pair of thin
    UnderArmor socks underneath some heavy ski socks.

    Once I started moving, I tried the shifters to be sure everything was working, and that I could
    control them ok with the mittens on. Shifting the Tiagra STI's with heavy mittens was a little
    clumsy, but acceptable as long as I was a little careful. The front shifted a little stiff but still
    worked ok, since I only expected to need to shift it once.

    Then I headed out. To be sure I didn't work up a sweat, I went up the hill from my house in the
    granny (30x23), and kept my cadence down to around 70, but I still ended up fogging my glasses. So I
    took off the half-mask and pulled down the opening in the balaclava to below my mouth. The bike came
    with an 11-32 cassette, but I had swapped it out for an Ultegra 11-23 a month ago to get some closer
    gears for racing, and because I never needed the 30x32 or 30x28 gears.

    Going to the store was with the wind (not a whole lot of it; maybe 5 - 10 mph), and I was able to
    maintain about 15 mph with little effort at a lower-than-normal cadence. I quickly found myself
    starting to get excessively warm, so I unzipped the outer coat about half-way, and that seemed to
    work well.

    Loading up to head home from the store, I had to rearrange things a bit because I was heading into
    the wind. I needed the half-mask to keep my cheekbones from feeling like they were going to freeze,
    and my forehead above my eyebrows felt like it was going to no matter what I did.

    By the time I got home, the thermometer on the house was registering about 6°F, but I was sweating
    pretty good even with both the outer coat and the liner zipped halfway down from riding into the
    wind, and my toes were cold. So I still have a bit to learn about what to wear to keep from
    sweating, and need to figure out something to keep my toes warm.

    Other interesting lessons learned:

    My Specialized SpeedZone pro computer doesn't register the temperature when it gets down
    around zero (the manual says what the minimum it will register is, but I don't remember off
    the top of my head), and the LCD display is a bit slow to update, but seems to work fine
    otherwise. No problems like others have reported with blank displays or inaccurate readings
    on other brands of computers.

    My new seat (Specialized BG2 Sport) is great, and works well with non-biking clothes. The
    cutout gave enough room for the crotch seams of my two pairs of pants so that I had no
    problems with pressure points or chafing. It was a short ride, though, so that might change
    with more time in the saddle.

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  2. Quoted post said:

    Originally posted by David Kerber
    Those of you in New York and New England (and probably Tennessee Titans fans as well) know what kind of weather they're talking about for today. Not all-time record low, but probably a record low for the date, and possibly a record lowest daily high. When I got up this morning it was about -2°F, and by 10:00 it had warmed up to a toasty zero.

    kept my cadence down to around 70, but I still ended up fogging my glasses.

    Here in Minnesota for winter rides I've used a pair of old Scott dual lens ski Goggles which solved the fogging issues.

  3. I give you alot of credit. I rode earlier this week when it was 5F above
    but at -8F (upstate NY) this am, I headed for the trainer in the heated
    garage. What did you wear for shoes? What kind of UnderArmour socks? I
    can stay warm enough to ride even at zero, but haven't found anything to
    keep my feet warm
    "David Kerber" <ns_dkerber@ns_ids.net> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Those of you in New York and New England (and probably Tennessee Titans fans as well) know what
    kind of weather they're talking about for today. Not all-time record low, but probably a record
    low for the date, and possibly a record lowest daily high. When I got up this morning it was about
    -2°F, and by 10:00 it had warmed up to a toasty zero.

    My family had been bugging me last night to go out and get ice cream, but I refused. However I
    decided today might be a good day for a winter ride just to see how I fared, and to get the ice
    cream without having to worry about it melting on the way home. So went through my ski clothes
    trying to figure out what would be about right to keep my face, hands and feet warm without making
    my torso sweat. For my hands, I ended up with a pair of Pearl Izumi full-finger cool-weather
    cycling gloves under a pair of heavy leather fleece-lined mittens. On my head I put a silk
    balaclava mask with a foam rubber-like half-face mask over it, and my helmet on top. Then a
    regular cotton t-shirt and turtle neck, and my regular winter coat with a liner which can be
    zipped separately. On my legs I had a pair of sweat pants under a pair of insulated nylon warmup
    pants. My feet had a pair of thin UnderArmor socks underneath some heavy ski socks.

    Once I started moving, I tried the shifters to be sure everything was working, and that I could
    control them ok with the mittens on. Shifting the Tiagra STI's with heavy mittens was a little
    clumsy, but acceptable as long as I was a little careful. The front shifted a little stiff but
    still worked ok, since I only expected to need to shift it once.

    Then I headed out. To be sure I didn't work up a sweat, I went up the hill from my house in the
    granny (30x23), and kept my cadence down to around 70, but I still ended up fogging my glasses. So
    I took off the half-mask and pulled down the opening in the balaclava to below my mouth. The bike
    came with an 11-32 cassette, but I had swapped it out for an Ultegra 11-23 a month ago to get some
    closer gears for racing, and because I never needed the 30x32 or 30x28 gears.

    Going to the store was with the wind (not a whole lot of it; maybe 5 - 10 mph), and I was able to
    maintain about 15 mph with little effort at a lower-than-normal cadence. I quickly found myself
    starting to get excessively warm, so I unzipped the outer coat about half-way, and that seemed to
    work well.

    Loading up to head home from the store, I had to rearrange things a bit because I was heading into
    the wind. I needed the half-mask to keep my cheekbones from feeling like they were going to
    freeze, and my forehead above my eyebrows felt like it was going to no matter what I did.

    By the time I got home, the thermometer on the house was registering about 6°F, but I was sweating
    pretty good even with both the outer coat and the liner zipped halfway down from riding into the
    wind, and my toes were cold. So I still have a bit to learn about what to wear to keep from
    sweating, and need to figure out something to keep my toes warm.

    Other interesting lessons learned:

    My Specialized SpeedZone pro computer doesn't register the temperature when it gets down around
    zero (the manual says what the minimum it will register is, but I don't remember off the top of my
    head), and the LCD display is a bit slow to update, but seems to work fine otherwise. No problems
    like others have reported with blank displays or inaccurate readings on other brands of computers.

    My new seat (Specialized BG2 Sport) is great, and works well with non-biking clothes. The cutout
    gave enough room for the crotch seams of my two pairs of pants so that I had no problems with
    pressure points or chafing. It was a short ride, though, so that might change with more time in
    the saddle.

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  4. "David Kerber" <ns_dkerber@ns_ids.net> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Those of you in New York and New England (and probably Tennessee Titans fans as well) know what
    kind of weather they're talking about for today. Not all-time record low, but probably a record
    low for the date, and possibly a record lowest daily high. When I got up this morning it was about
    -2°F, and by 10:00 it had warmed up to a toasty zero.

    About a dozen of us did our 351rst consecutive club Saturday morning ride (30 mile loop), starting
    from Newton, MA, it was our coldest in that 7 years (~0 deg. F).

    home.comcast.netindex.html

    I can honestly say that I've gotten things dialed-in to the point where I didn't have the slightest
    discomfort riding for 2 hr in 0 deg F. I was riding a fixed gear, so shifting wasn't an issue,
    though my other bikes have bar-end which works well with mitts, too. I used a thin fleece balaclava,
    with a separate band of stretch fleece (home-made) over my nose & upper lip, the only skin showing
    was my lips. I didn't have any trouble with fogging at all.

    My hands were too warm in LL Bean expedition mitts, I should have stopped and removed either the
    shells (lined) or the inner mitts (med. fleece). I had 3 layers of fleece on top (stretch shirt,
    jacket, windbloc vest), which was too much, I unzipped both (and got a little pink belly from that).
    I had stretch fleece warmups over stretch fleece tights on my legs, which was perfect.

    For my feet, I used 2 pairs of socks (stretch fleece inner, smartwool outer), oversize MTB shoes
    (Sidi), with home-made booties (stretch fleece over plain fleece). My feet were good, cold, but not
    uncomfortably so, and they weren't getting any colder during the second half of the ride.

  5. In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:

    I give you alot of credit. I rode earlier this week when it was 5F above but at -8F (upstate NY)
    this am, I headed for the trainer in the heated garage. What did you wear for shoes? What kind of
    UnderArmour socks? I can stay warm enough to ride even at zero, but haven't found anything to keep
    my feet warm

    As I said in the OP, my feet got cold, too, though not to the point of being worried about
    frostbite. The UnderArmor socks are a thin lycra sock designed for wearing under other socks. They
    helped a bit, but not enough, so I'm still looking for an answer to that. My shoes were some LL Bean
    hiking boots that I only break out for cold weather or camping. I have a pair of very bulky
    snowmobiling boots which would keep me warm,

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  6. You guys have pretty big cojones to be riding in this sort of weather. I'll lift a steaming hot
    coffee in your honor at the local Starbucks here in Austin (where it will reach a nice 60
    degrees today.)

    r.b.

    "Bob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    I give you alot of credit. I rode earlier this week when it was 5F above but at -8F (upstate NY)
    this am, I headed for the trainer in the heated garage. What did you wear for shoes? What kind of
    UnderArmour socks? I

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    By the time I got home, the thermometer on the house was registering about 6°F..

  7. flatline top-posted:

    Quoted message said:

    You guys have pretty big cojones to be riding in this sort of weather.

    Well, maybe PRIOR to riding!

    Bill "basic physiology" S.

  8. In article <[email hidden]>, blue_x21 @usa.com says...

    Quoted message said:

    You guys have pretty big cojones to be riding in this sort of weather. I'll lift a steaming hot
    coffee in your honor at the local Starbucks here in Austin (where it will reach a nice 60
    degrees today.)

    When I was in school back in the mid-70's in Iowa, my bike was how I got to school, and I rode every
    day. My record was about -20°F with a 30mph wind. Better to do it on a bike and get there in 15-20
    minutes than walk and have it take 45.

    Quoted message said:


    r.b.

    "Bob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    I give you alot of credit. I rode earlier this week when it was 5F above but at -8F (upstate NY)
    this am, I headed for the trainer in the heated garage. What did you wear for shoes? What kind
    of UnderArmour socks? I

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    By the time I got home, the thermometer on the house was registering about 6°F..


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  9. In article <[email hidden]>, sorni@bite- me.san.rr.com says...

    Quoted message said:

    flatline top-posted:

    Quoted message said:

    You guys have pretty big cojones to be riding in this sort of weather.

    Well, maybe PRIOR to riding!

    The cojones don't shrink, but what they're connected to sure does!

    ...

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  10. Was it up hill with a head wind???

    Did you have a hole in one shoe?

    Burr

    David Kerber said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, blue_x21 @usa.com says...

    Quoted message said:

    You guys have pretty big cojones to be riding in this sort of weather. I'll lift a steaming hot
    coffee in your honor at the local Starbucks here in Austin (where it will reach a nice 60
    degrees today.)

    When I was in school back in the mid-70's in Iowa, my bike was how I got to school, and I rode
    every day. My record was about -20°F with a 30mph wind. Better to do it on a bike and get there in
    15-20 minutes than walk and have it take 45.

    Quoted message said:

    r.b.

    "Bob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    I give you alot of credit. I rode earlier this week when it was 5F above but at -8F (upstate NY)
    this am, I headed for the trainer in the heated garage. What did you wear for shoes? What kind of
    UnderArmour socks? I

    Quoted message said:

    >By the time I got home, the thermometer on the house was registering about 6°F..


  11. In article <[email hidden]>, usenet- [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:
    David Kerber said:

    Those of you in New York and New England (and probably Tennessee Tita=


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    Quoted message said:

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  12. In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:

    Was it up hill with a head wind???

    Only going there. Coming home was mostly down hill, with the prevailing wind.

    Quoted message said:


    Did you have a hole in one shoe?

    I know you are joking, but I'll answer seriously anyway: no, I had good boots, a heavy winter parka,
    face mask etc. The school system had a rule that if you lived less than a certain distance you
    couldn't ride the bus, and I was just inside that limit (don't recall the limit, but in Jr. High, I
    was about 2 miles from the school).

    ....

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  13. [top-posting fixed]

    Burr said:
    David Kerber said:

    When I was in school back in the mid-70's in Iowa, my bike was how I got to school, and I rode
    every day. My record was about -20°F with a 30mph

    Was it up hill with a head wind??? Did you have a hole in one shoe?

    Shoe? Back in his day, they didn't HAVE shoes. They didn't need them, because they didn't have FEET!
    Feet weren't invented yet. They had to walk uphill both ways in 20 feet of snow on their ANKLES!
    David was lucky to have a bike, which he had to pedal by reaching down with his hands every few
    seconds and hand-turning the cranks...

    Quoted message said:

    Burr


    --
    Rick Onanian

  14. In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:

    [top-posting fixed]

    Burr said:
    David Kerber said:

    When I was in school back in the mid-70's in Iowa, my bike was how I got to school, and I rode
    every day. My record was about -20°F with a 30mph

    Was it up hill with a head wind??? Did you have a hole in one shoe?

    Shoe? Back in his day, they didn't HAVE shoes. They didn't need them, because they didn't have
    FEET! Feet weren't invented yet. They had to walk uphill both ways in 20 feet of snow on their
    ANKLES! David was lucky to have a bike, which he had to pedal by reaching down with his hands
    every few seconds and hand-turning the cranks...

    Now, now Rick, don't exaggerate. My ankles worked just find for pressing on those platform pedals
    from back in the stone age, even if my arms at that time were still long enough to pedal an
    ordinary with!

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  15. On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 20:32:38 -0500, David Kerber

    ns_dkerber@ns_ids.net said:

    Now, now Rick, don't exaggerate. My ankles worked just find for pressing on those platform pedals
    from back in the stone age, even if my arms at that time were still long enough to pedal an
    ordinary with!

    You guys had platforms on your pedals? I thought you just had unthreaded spindle-holes that you had
    to stick your fingers in to get a grip.

    Well, maybe that was a few years before you rode.
    --
    Rick Onanian

  16. Hey Rick,

    What's the matter stupid [censored]???

    Everyone knows tha tyou are an [censored] now!!!

    Wild Bill Kizer the MAN!!!!

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