A Whole New Respect

Mate get a life, get a girlfriend, get a dog, get something in your life other than playing with your computrainer..... otherwise you will go mad, grow hairs on the palms of your hand or worse still go blind......

segamartinez said:

I've been building the TdF stages on my CompuTrainer and doing them along with the riders. I try my best to complete each stage, but my goal is just to be on the bike for as long as the winner rides for.

I want to try to do the entire mountain stages, but not sure if I have enough hours in the day! Even yesterday, I did Stage 9 in about 5:45:00.00 - almost two hours longer than the winner.

Stage 10 & 11 should be interesting to say the least. I'm wondering how close to the real thing riding the simulated course is.

There is a drafting function, but I don't use it - but that might come into play on the flats. Anyone know the kind of watts they put out and the amount they save by drafting, generally?

On top of that, it seems impossible to reach the descent speeds of these riders - and the resistance wheel - even on the big negative grades - won't let you 'coast.' You essentially have to keep the cadence up to reach top speed (which is considerably less than the riders in the tour - even though I don't have to worry about the angles and turns) - and stay there, otherwise it drops considerably.

With the hills, I wonder how much gravity comes into play where my bike is a little elevated on a trainer (with books on the front wheel), but if I were going up a 6.8% for 9.1 km like yesterday on the Ballon d'Alsace - surely I would be expending more energy pulling my bodyweight up the hill. I'm not sure how much this is taken into account on a Computrainer.

On the other hand, it doesn't seem like I can tempo up the hill on the trainer, but it's not too bad - but it's definitely different when I get out of the saddle and can't rock the bike to the side a little bit for more power.

Doing hills like the Ballon d'Alsace and tonight I have Roseland (20.1 km climb, 6% & Courchevel (22.2 km climb, 6.2%) - and tomorrow the Galibier (17.5 km, 6.9%) - gave me an even larger respect for these riders. Watching these guys suffer up those hills - then hear people criticize their favorite rider for not following an attack or being beaten by another guy is something I've done in the past - but it's just interesting to do some of these hills (even though I don't have the gravity to contend with) after being on the bike for hours. I find myself essentially trying to get into a rhythm where you're hurting, but kind of in a zone. It just gave me a more palpable feeling of going up one of these hills at your own pace (where you're suffering) and then have a guy takeoff on you that you have to mark - sounds excrutiating.

whiteboytrash said:

Mate get a life, get a girlfriend, get a dog, get something in your life other than playing with your computrainer..... otherwise you will go mad, grow hairs on the palms of your hand or worse still go blind......

I feel like an official member of this board after being ridiculed by whiteboytrash. I actually have a girlfriend and a dog, but they both may dump me after this.

[font=Times New Roman][font=Verdana]...or if they find out that you have been grooming on internet forum's under the guise of a professional cyclist they may leave you.... ;o)[/font] [/font]

segamartinez said:

I feel like an official member of this board after being ridiculed by whiteboytrash. I actually have a girlfriend and a dog, but they both may dump me after this.

segamartinez said:

I've been building the TdF stages on my CompuTrainer and doing them along with the riders. I try my best to complete each stage, but my goal is just to be on the bike for as long as the winner rides for.

I want to try to do the entire mountain stages, but not sure if I have enough hours in the day! Even yesterday, I did Stage 9 in about 5:45:00.00 - almost two hours longer than the winner.

Stage 10 & 11 should be interesting to say the least. I'm wondering how close to the real thing riding the simulated course is.

There is a drafting function, but I don't use it - but that might come into play on the flats. Anyone know the kind of watts they put out and the amount they save by drafting, generally?

On top of that, it seems impossible to reach the descent speeds of these riders - and the resistance wheel - even on the big negative grades - won't let you 'coast.' You essentially have to keep the cadence up to reach top speed (which is considerably less than the riders in the tour - even though I don't have to worry about the angles and turns) - and stay there, otherwise it drops considerably.

With the hills, I wonder how much gravity comes into play where my bike is a little elevated on a trainer (with books on the front wheel), but if I were going up a 6.8% for 9.1 km like yesterday on the Ballon d'Alsace - surely I would be expending more energy pulling my bodyweight up the hill. I'm not sure how much this is taken into account on a Computrainer.

On the other hand, it doesn't seem like I can tempo up the hill on the trainer, but it's not too bad - but it's definitely different when I get out of the saddle and can't rock the bike to the side a little bit for more power.

Doing hills like the Ballon d'Alsace and tonight I have Roseland (20.1 km climb, 6% & Courchevel (22.2 km climb, 6.2%) - and tomorrow the Galibier (17.5 km, 6.9%) - gave me an even larger respect for these riders. Watching these guys suffer up those hills - then hear people criticize their favorite rider for not following an attack or being beaten by another guy is something I've done in the past - but it's just interesting to do some of these hills (even though I don't have the gravity to contend with) after being on the bike for hours. I find myself essentially trying to get into a rhythm where you're hurting, but kind of in a zone. It just gave me a more palpable feeling of going up one of these hills at your own pace (where you're suffering) and then have a guy takeoff on you that you have to mark - sounds excrutiating.

Look up information on a cyclist named Nutti. All he did was trainer for a while and I'll guarantee he could kick anyones ass in this forum on a bike.
He was a pro for a while on Phonak but you can look up his stats.

Do you ever read what you write?

Now, now all Phonak riders use banned drugs and methods.

That is well established.

A trainer won't help w/o the juice.

Nutti may be a nutter, but a doper for sure.

That's the respect the Omerta protects.

jhuskey said:

Look up information on a cyclist named Nutti. All he did was trainer for a while and I'll guarantee he could kick anyones ass in this forum on a bike.
He was a pro for a while on Phonak but you can look up his stats.

Flyer said:

Do you ever read what you write?

Now, now all Phonak riders use banned drugs and methods.

That is well established.

A trainer won't help w/o the juice.

Nutti may be a nutter, but a doper for sure.

That's the respect the Omerta protects.

Tous Dope, right Flyer?

Flyer said:

Now, now all Phonak riders use banned drugs and methods.

That is well established.

Saying it does not make it so. Sucks for you.

Flyer said:

Do you ever read what you write?

Now, now all Phonak riders use banned drugs and methods.

That is well established.

A trainer won't help w/o the juice.

Nutti may be a nutter, but a doper for sure.

That's the respect the Omerta protects.

"A trainer won't help without the juice". That is by far the most stupid statement you have made to date.
Lets all lay on our ass on the couch and get fit then.
The whole world is on dope as far as you are concerned.
There may be a lot of athletes on the stuff ,but you obsessed with the fact.
Beyond a healthy curiosity,that is.

You would know, the author of mindless posts.

You compared Nutti to presumably 'undoped forum posters'. That demonstrates your utter lack of class.

You even suggested he could 'kick all CF asses'.

At Phonak, they dope to train. Just ask Camenzind, Zulle, Perez and Hamilton.

Get a clue!

jhuskey said:

"A trainer won't help without the juice". That is by far the most stupid statement you have made to date.
Lets all lay on our ass on the couch and get fit then.
The whole world is on dope as far as you are concerned.
There may be a lot of athletes on the stuff ,but you obsessed with the fact.
Beyond a healthy curiosity,that is.

Flyer said:

You would know, the author of mindless posts.

You compared Nutti to presumably 'undoped forum posters'. That demonstrates your utter lack of class.

You even suggested he could 'kick all CF asses'.

At Phonak, they dope to train. Just ask Camenzind, Zulle, Perez and Hamilton.

Get a clue!

I'll let the other members here decide who is mindless.
A person is willing to get on a trainer and try to stay in shape and you have nothing positive to say. A little inspiration is good.
The person I was referring too(NUTTI) achieved his fitness on a trainer before joining Phonak.
He went from an average out of shape person to a very good sprinter.
What he did after is of no importance to my post.
I was pointing out that a trainer can be a useful tool and with obesity passing smoking in the US as the leading cause of medical care I believe it is important that anyone be encouraged.
You however are stuck in one mode. DOPE DOPE DOPE DOPE DOPE.
Your obsession level is unbelieveable.
Please do not reply to me anymore unless in a doping forum. You apparently have nothing constructive to add beyond that subject.

You go sit on a trainer for 6 hours a day---and see where that leads you.

Unhealthy pursuits are not inspirational!

jhuskey said:

I'll let the other members here decide who is mindless.
A person is willing to get on a trainer and try to stay in shape and you have nothing positive to say. A little inspiration is good.
The person I was referring too(NUTTI) achieved his fitness on a trainer before joining Phonak.
He went from an average out of shape person to a very good sprinter.
What he did after is of no importance to my post.
I was pointing out that a trainer can be a useful tool and with obesity passing smoking in the US as the leading cause of medical care I believe it is important that anyone be encouraged.
You however are stuck in one mode. DOPE DOPE DOPE DOPE DOPE.
Your obsession level is unbelieveable.
Please do not reply to me anymore unless in a doping forum. You apparently have nothing constructive to add beyond that subject.

Flyer said:

You go sit on a trainer for 6 hours a day---and see where that leads you.

Unhealthy pursuits are not inspirational!

I can't do it. My limit is about an hour at most, pure boredom sits in ,but I don't knock the guy that can.

Flyer, I think I'm speaking for a lot of people who who think your message is informative and important, but....it would be great if you could try not to swing a wrecking ball through threads that don't directly start off about drugs in cycling

Flyer said:

You go sit on a trainer for 6 hours a day---and see where that leads you.

Unhealthy pursuits are not inspirational!

Agreed.

Unless the thread is hijacked by others, who introduce it, or is technical question such as 'time trialing performances' and are devoid of the greatest elements (blood boosting)

A Ferrari doped athlete could ride a Schwinn Sting Ray with two fat tires and still do a sub-one hour 40k.

If we were discussing amateur local racing then we would have little doping. But instead we discuss doped athletes in a corporate financed business--as if it were a Corinthean Challenge.

I'll try to ease up.

wicklow200 said:

Flyer, I think I'm speaking for a lot of people who who think your message is informative and important, but....it would be great if you could try not to swing a wrecking ball through threads that don't directly start off about drugs in cycling

Flyer said:

Agreed.

Unless the thread is hijacked by others, who introduce it, or is technical question such as 'time trialing performances' and are devoid of the greatest elements (blood boosting)

A Ferrari doped athlete could ride a Schwinn Sting Ray with two fat tires and still do a sub-one hour 40k.

If we were discussing amateur local racing then we would have little doping. But instead we discuss doped athletes in a corporate financed business--as if it were a Corinthean Challenge.

I'll try to ease up.

Someone asks for you not to go to "doping" if the thread is not about it and you agee. Then your next four sentences are about doping. You are a loser.

Ah yes--another doping apologist prone to named calling rants.

Time trialing posts re: a miracle or sudden improvement in just a few weeks---eg: Armstrong & Hincapie cannot be reasonably discussed without consideration of 'go faster juice'

Thanks for your comments.

I'll keep them in mind, but not your sentiments.

babylou said:

Someone asks for you not to go to "doping" if the thread is not about it and you agee. Then your next four sentences are about doping. You are a loser.

Thanks Flyer for your well informed comments. There are too few on here that will acknowledge how rife doping is in the pro peleton. All these "head-in-the-sand" types want to believe it doesn't exist and attribute all success to miraculous genes or having lived in Texas. Sorry to kill the fairytale folks.