A Statement and an Aploogy

Jeff Grippe said:

Well I finally learned how to filter messages in Outlook Express. I have
setup two rules. One of them deletes messages from a specific person. The
other one deletes messages about a specific person.

Note to specific person (you know who you are): Don't bother responding. I
won't see the response.

My apology to this group for being an active participant in the discussions
for so long. I enjoy a good political or philosophical discussion but in
order to have one you need a sane human being on the other side. I am a
pretty far left liberal and I have some great friends that are pretty far
right conservatives. All of them are sane, however. If this generates a
return rant from a certain person then I apologize yet again. BTW I am not
mentioning his name or my own message would be "kill filed" from me. This is
the last message you will see from me regarding this person.

If anyone uses OE and needs help setting up rules I would be happy to help
you. I have finally had enough.

Regards,
Jeff

Filters can be your friend. BUT you have to be pretty annoying to get
into my filter list. I don't think I have added anyone to the filters
since the highracer blog guy stopped posting his dribble.

Ken
--
You never have the wind with you - either it is against you or you're
having a good day. ~Daniel Behrman, The Man Who Loved Bicycles

Homepage: http://www.bikesandmoreonline.com/

Well a certain racist, sexist, very frequent poster has finally demonstrated
in one of his recent postings that he is clearly on the other side of
sanity. If there is no hope of a rational discussion then I don't need to
have the discussion. I also don't need to read racist and sexist drivel. So
my filter is in place. There could be 50 replies from said person and I
wouldn't see any of them. I also don't have to see his postings about what a
wonderful and saintly human being he considers himself to be.

Cheers,
Jeff
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Jeff Grippe said:

Well I finally learned how to filter messages in Outlook Express. I have
setup two rules. One of them deletes messages from a specific person. The
other one deletes messages about a specific person.

Note to specific person (you know who you are): Don't bother responding.
I won't see the response.

My apology to this group for being an active participant in the
discussions for so long. I enjoy a good political or philosophical
discussion but in order to have one you need a sane human being on the
other side. I am a pretty far left liberal and I have some great friends
that are pretty far right conservatives. All of them are sane, however.
If this generates a return rant from a certain person then I apologize
yet again. BTW I am not mentioning his name or my own message would be
"kill filed" from me. This is the last message you will see from me
regarding this person.

If anyone uses OE and needs help setting up rules I would be happy to
help you. I have finally had enough.

Regards,
Jeff

Filters can be your friend. BUT you have to be pretty annoying to get into
my filter list. I don't think I have added anyone to the filters since the
highracer blog guy stopped posting his dribble.

Ken
--
You never have the wind with you - either it is against you or you're
having a good day. ~Daniel Behrman, The Man Who Loved Bicycles

Homepage: http://www.bikesandmoreonline.com/

Jeff Grippe said:

Well a certain racist, sexist, very frequent poster has finally demonstrated
in one of his recent postings that he is clearly on the other side of
sanity. If there is no hope of a rational discussion then I don't need to
have the discussion. I also don't need to read racist and sexist drivel. So
my filter is in place. There could be 50 replies from said person and I
wouldn't see any of them. I also don't have to see his postings about what a
wonderful and saintly human being he considers himself to be.

Well I tend to agree with you in general. I see no reason for some of
the things that get posted to some newsgroups. But mostly I just use an
adaptive filter, the human mind. I find it works just as good or better
than technical filters. Besides sometimes people who post dribble also
post things I consider worth reading and wouldn't want to miss those posts.

Ken
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You never have the wind with you - either it is against you or you're
having a good day. ~Daniel Behrman, The Man Who Loved Bicycles

Homepage: http://www.bikesandmoreonline.com/

I tried that approach for a good long time and the evidence is there to see.
I don't even mind the NG going off topic but I have reached my limit with
one individual in particular. In this one case, I'm not worried about
missing anything important and I'm sure the volumes that I am missing are
better off missed.

Jeff

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Jeff Grippe said:

Well a certain racist, sexist, very frequent poster has finally
demonstrated in one of his recent postings that he is clearly on the
other side of sanity. If there is no hope of a rational discussion then I
don't need to have the discussion. I also don't need to read racist and
sexist drivel. So my filter is in place. There could be 50 replies from
said person and I wouldn't see any of them. I also don't have to see his
postings about what a wonderful and saintly human being he considers
himself to be.

Well I tend to agree with you in general. I see no reason for some of the
things that get posted to some newsgroups. But mostly I just use an
adaptive filter, the human mind. I find it works just as good or better
than technical filters. Besides sometimes people who post dribble also
post things I consider worth reading and wouldn't want to miss those
posts.

Ken
-
You never have the wind with you - either it is against you or you're
having a good day. ~Daniel Behrman, The Man Who Loved Bicycles

Homepage: http://www.bikesandmoreonline.com/

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Jeff Grippe said:

Well I finally learned how to filter messages in Outlook Express. I have
setup two rules. One of them deletes messages from a specific person. The
other one deletes messages about a specific person.

Note to specific person (you know who you are): Don't bother responding.
I won't see the response.

My apology to this group for being an active participant in the
discussions for so long. I enjoy a good political or philosophical
discussion but in order to have one you need a sane human being on the
other side. I am a pretty far left liberal and I have some great friends
that are pretty far right conservatives. All of them are sane, however.
If this generates a return rant from a certain person then I apologize
yet again. BTW I am not mentioning his name or my own message would be
"kill filed" from me. This is the last message you will see from me
regarding this person.

If anyone uses OE and needs help setting up rules I would be happy to
help you. I have finally had enough.

Regards,
Jeff

Filters can be your friend. BUT you have to be pretty annoying to get into
my filter list. I don't think I have added anyone to the filters since the
highracer blog guy stopped posting his dribble.

Ken

Ken, I have been subject to every outrage and indignity that it is possible
for a human being to suffer on these blasted newsgroups, but it has never
even occurred to me to kill file anyone. I want to know what is being said
to me or about me. Any other course is for fearful children, not men of the
world like you and me.

Jeff Grippe is a fearful liberal who cannot brook any opposition to his
liberal ideology. The g.d Liberals have had their way all of my life and now
finally we Conservatives are getting our two cents in - and they can't stand
it. Well, screw them all the way to hell and back!

Jeff is a baby killer (favors abortion) and so he is anathema to me in my
scheme of things. He has also boasted of being a fornicator. He does not
like to be called out for what he is and so he kill files me. But I will
always be here to take on those who outrage common sense. These are mostly
liberals, but some conservatives can also outrage common sense.

I am the champion of the common man who has retained the common sense he was
born with. That is why I consider myself Great.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

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ALL TOP POSTERS ARE IDIOTS!

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I tried that approach for a good long time and the evidence is there to
see. I don't even mind the NG going off topic but I have reached my limit
with one individual in particular. In this one case, I'm not worried about
missing anything important and I'm sure the volumes that I am missing are
better off missed.

Will anyone on these newsgroups miss Jeff Grippe if he were to drop dead?
Hardly! He is nothing if not a walking paradigm of every liberal nostrum
that has ever failed in the past century.

But he is a fool if he thinks he can now say anything that flits into his
dunderhead without getting a riposte from the Great One. He had better not
get off-topic with his liberal [censored] as Ed Dolan the Great will know how to
deal with him and his noxious views.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

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Jeff Grippe said:

Well a certain racist, sexist, very frequent poster has finally
demonstrated in one of his recent postings that he is clearly on the
other side of sanity. If there is no hope of a rational discussion then
I don't need to have the discussion. I also don't need to read racist
and sexist drivel. So my filter is in place. There could be 50 replies
from said person and I wouldn't see any of them. I also don't have to
see his postings about what a wonderful and saintly human being he
considers himself to be.

Well I tend to agree with you in general. I see no reason for some of the
things that get posted to some newsgroups. But mostly I just use an
adaptive filter, the human mind. I find it works just as good or better
than technical filters. Besides sometimes people who post dribble also
post things I consider worth reading and wouldn't want to miss those
posts.

Ken

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What's wrong with fornication?

There is nothing wrong with fornication for the purpose of creating new
life. If you are doing it for any other reason then you are a scum bag.

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How many babies have the us government killed in their invasions of
Iraq,Vietnam...et al?

Who cares? It is far better that their babies be killed than that our babies
be killed. However, if you were to be killed, I can see that it would be no
loss to our nation.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

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Well I finally learned how to filter messages in Outlook Express. I have
setup two rules. One of them deletes messages from a specific person. The
other one deletes messages about a specific person.

Note to specific person (you know who you are): Don't bother responding. I
won't see the response.

But he KNOWS I will respond because of my Greatness!

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My apology to this group for being an active participant in the
discussions for so long. I enjoy a good political or philosophical
discussion but in order to have one you need a sane human being on the
other side. I am a pretty far left liberal and I have some great friends
that are pretty far right conservatives. All of them are sane, however. If
this generates a return rant from a certain person then I apologize yet
again. BTW I am not mentioning his name or my own message would be "kill
filed" from me. This is the last message you will see from me regarding
this person.

If anyone uses OE and needs help setting up rules I would be happy to help
you. I have finally had enough.

Well, I have been having enough of liberals like Jeff Grippe most of my
life. In my long lost youth I was ignorant enough to have certain liberal
views myself, but I outgrew them. Poor Jeff never did.

If Jeff or anyone else comes on these newsgroups and espouses liberal views,
they are going to hear fom me. How reasonable and rational the discussion
will be depends on how far left your views are. If you, like Jeff, think
late term abortions are just fine, then I am going to go ballistic and no
words will be spared to describe you and your noxious view. Jeff was very
far left on most of his social and political views so that no rational
discussion was possible. I always regarded him as a nut case and wanted to
beat him over the head.

You can be a liberal, but you cannot be far left. If you are, I will not
only go ballistic, but I will go into orbit. If you are far left, then get
the f*** out of this country. Maybe go to freaking Canada, or better yet,
freaking France. Yea, that is where you belong, in the land of eternal
treason to Western Civilization.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

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Jeff Grippe said:

Well I finally learned how to filter messages in Outlook Express. I

have

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setup two rules. One of them deletes messages from a specific person.

The

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other one deletes messages about a specific person.

Note to specific person (you know who you are): Don't bother

responding.

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I won't see the response.

My apology to this group for being an active participant in the
discussions for so long. I enjoy a good political or philosophical
discussion but in order to have one you need a sane human being on the
other side. I am a pretty far left liberal and I have some great

friends

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that are pretty far right conservatives. All of them are sane, however.
If this generates a return rant from a certain person then I apologize
yet again. BTW I am not mentioning his name or my own message would be
"kill filed" from me. This is the last message you will see from me
regarding this person.

If anyone uses OE and needs help setting up rules I would be happy to
help you. I have finally had enough.

Regards,
Jeff

Filters can be your friend. BUT you have to be pretty annoying to get

into

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my filter list. I don't think I have added anyone to the filters since

the

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highracer blog guy stopped posting his dribble.

Ken

Ken, I have been subject to every outrage and indignity that it is

possible

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for a human being to suffer on these blasted newsgroups, but it has never
even occurred to me to kill file anyone. I want to know what is being said
to me or about me. Any other course is for fearful children, not men of

the

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world like you and me.

Limp-[censored] ED a "man of the world"!!?? That's too damned funny. By your own
admission, you are so fearful of human contact that you have no social life
whatsoever (outside of usenet), and you're so afraid of sexual intimacy that
it's entirely possible that you're a virgin (you've been asked this question
many times, and refused to answer).

That hardly qualifies you for "man of the world" status.

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Jeff Grippe is a fearful liberal who cannot brook any opposition to his
liberal ideology. The g.d Liberals have had their way all of my life and

now

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finally we Conservatives are getting our two cents in - and they can't

stand

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it. Well, screw them all the way to hell and back!

Jeff is a baby killer (favors abortion) and so he is anathema to me in my
scheme of things. He has also boasted of being a fornicator. He does not
like to be called out for what he is and so he kill files me. But I will
always be here to take on those who outrage common sense. These are mostly
liberals, but some conservatives can also outrage common sense.

I am the champion of the common man who has retained the common sense he

was

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born with. That is why I consider myself Great.

Funny...nobody else considers you "great". Most of us consider you a
pathetic, lonely, homophobic, misogynistic loser whose only human contact is
as the largest [censored] on ARBR.

If there have been posts coming to the defense of your silly "greatness",
please provide links to same.

GG

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Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

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Ken, I have been subject to every outrage and indignity that it is

possible

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for a human being to suffer on these blasted newsgroups, but it has never
even occurred to me to kill file anyone. I want to know what is being
said
to me or about me. Any other course is for fearful children, not men of

the

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world like you and me.

Limp-[censored] ED a "man of the world"!!?? That's too damned funny. By your
own
admission, you are so fearful of human contact that you have no social
life
whatsoever (outside of usenet), and you're so afraid of sexual intimacy
that
it's entirely possible that you're a virgin (you've been asked this
question
many times, and refused to answer).

That hardly qualifies you for "man of the world" status.

A shameless fornicator who boasts of it on a public forum is hardly my idea
of a man of the world, but maybe that is what liberals think is just fine
and dandy.

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Jeff Grippe is a fearful liberal who cannot brook any opposition to his
liberal ideology. The g.d Liberals have had their way all of my life and

now

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finally we Conservatives are getting our two cents in - and they can't

stand

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it. Well, screw them all the way to hell and back!

Jeff is a baby killer (favors abortion) and so he is anathema to me in my
scheme of things. He has also boasted of being a fornicator. He does not
like to be called out for what he is and so he kill files me. But I will
always be here to take on those who outrage common sense. These are
mostly
liberals, but some conservatives can also outrage common sense.

I am the champion of the common man who has retained the common sense he

was

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born with. That is why I consider myself Great.

Funny...nobody else considers you "great". Most of us consider you a
pathetic, lonely, homophobic, misogynistic loser whose only human contact
is
as the largest [censored] on ARBR.

"A shameless fornicator who boasts of it on a public forum is hardly my idea
of a man of the world, but maybe that is what liberals think is just fine
and dandy." - Ed Dolan

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

TRANSLATION: According to Saint HEADward the GRATET - Order of the
Perpetually Obnoxious ... sexual intercourse between two married
consulting adults for the purpose of pleasure rather than the
procreation is condemnable, but sexual intercourse between two
unmarried consulting adults for the purpose of bringing a [censored] into
the world is sanctioned.

I'm not taking a position here ... just clarifying someone else's.

Jim McNamara

HEADward thte GRATE,

Rave and rant all to you heart's content. Randomly babble incohernetly
and out of context. No on gives a [censored] fool!!!

Jim McNamara

GaryG,

Along with Jeff Gripe and myself, you sure seem to have the HEADward
the GRATE's number. I'm sure that there are others, but we have been
the most vocal. Ed is a therapist's nightmare his psyche is so badly
scrambled. There's no fool like and old fool. Ed you listenin' ...
rhetorical. Ed only listens to Ed.

Jim McNamara

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TRANSLATION: According to Saint HEADward the GRATET - Order of the
Perpetually Obnoxious ... sexual intercourse between two married
consulting adults for the purpose of pleasure rather than the
procreation is condemnable, but sexual intercourse between two
unmarried consulting adults for the purpose of bringing a [censored] into
the world is sanctioned.

I'm not taking a position here ... just clarifying someone else's.

Nope, you got that totally wrong. Marriage is of the essence. Without that,
everything else is an abomination. I do not want to get into the sociology
of the family, but it is the most important thing of all. I am definitely
against bringing [censored] into the world. Hells Bells, there are already
enough [censored] on these newsgoups, otherwise known as ARBR and RBM.

But Jim is right about one thing. When I refer to someone as a fornicator, I
am not being complementary. I mean to put down such conduct for what it is.
It is not sanctioned by traditional society nor traditional morality. Sex
within marriage is one thing, outside of marriage it is another.

Anyone who boasts about their sexual prowess outside of marriage will get a
rejoinder from the Great Ed Dolan. I do not suffer fools lightly and there
are many names for those who violate the norms of society. I will use them
and you will not like them.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

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ALL TOP POSTERS ARE IDIOTS!

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HEADward thte GRATE,

Rave and rant all to you heart's content. Randomly babble incohernetly
and out of context. No on gives a [censored] fool!!!

Jon Meinecke is monitoring all of this very closely I am sure. I do not know
if he approves of your use of the word '[censored]', especially in capital
letters! If I were you I would be on my guard. Jon Meinecke may be calling
your ISP any day now.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

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"A shameless fornicator who boasts of it on a public forum is hardly my
idea of a man of the world, but maybe that is what liberals think is just
fine
and dandy." - Ed Dolan

Thanks for clearing that up ED. Your non-responsiveness, repetition, and
snipping of the subject matter prove yet again that you are a lightweight
and an idiot.

But, just so we have our facts straight, you're the one who claimed to be
educated *and* a "man of the world". Clearly, both of those claims are
untrue. An educated person would know the definition of a "man of the
world", and your stated aversion to sexuality rules you out as being a
"man
of the world".

Nope, you have your definition and I have mine. You are a sexual slob and
moral cretin to boot. You are not my man of the world, unless that world be
some kind of underworld.
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By the way, I have traveled extensively all over the world and I have
encountered no cultures where it is acceptable to boast about one's
sexual
prowess in public. Only complete slobs and reprobates do that sort of

thing.

Where have I boasted about my sexual prowess? I've said I have an active
and enjoyable sex life...so what? Sex is a natural form of human activity
and emotional and physical expression. That you are so afraid of it marks
you as aberrant.

There! You just said it again! You are an immoral slob of the first rank. In
a traditional culture, you would be taken out and stoned to death. Sex is
only for the married and only for the purpose of creating new life (babies).
This is just all so elementary I feel like I am talking to a child about the
birds and the bees.

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Sex outside of marriage is universally condemned and excoriated. The

family

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and its values reign supreme everywhere.

Oh, poor, ED...you live such a sheltered and sad life.

BTW - it's ironic that you should talk about "family values", when you've
lived your life as a misogynistic celibate.

There is almost no person alive today who did not come out of a family. Of
course, I realize that GaryG may not have come out of a family since his
morality is so skewed.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

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"A shameless fornicator who boasts of it on a public forum is hardly my
idea of a man of the world, but maybe that is what liberals think is

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fine
and dandy." - Ed Dolan

Thanks for clearing that up ED. Your non-responsiveness, repetition,

and

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snipping of the subject matter prove yet again that you are a

lightweight

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and an idiot.

But, just so we have our facts straight, you're the one who claimed to

be

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educated *and* a "man of the world". Clearly, both of those claims are
untrue. An educated person would know the definition of a "man of the
world", and your stated aversion to sexuality rules you out as being a
"man
of the world".

Nope, you have your definition and I have mine. You are a sexual slob and
moral cretin to boot. You are not my man of the world, unless that world

be

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some kind of underworld.

ED, you moron...I didn't claim to be a man of the world...you did! I merely
pointed out the common definition* of the expression, and noted that you
cannot be considered to fall within that definition.

You claim to be educated, so you should know better than to use the "you
have your definition and I have mine" argument. Words have meanings, as you
should know, and you can't alter them just to try and avoid looking stupid
(again).

* A "man of the world" is an idiomatic expression, meaning "someone who
has a lot of experience of life, and is not usually shocked by the way
people behave."

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By the way, I have traveled extensively all over the world and I have
encountered no cultures where it is acceptable to boast about one's
sexual
prowess in public. Only complete slobs and reprobates do that sort of

thing.

Where have I boasted about my sexual prowess? I've said I have an

active

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and enjoyable sex life...so what? Sex is a natural form of human

activity

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and emotional and physical expression. That you are so afraid of it

marks

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you as aberrant.

There! You just said it again! You are an immoral slob of the first rank.

In

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a traditional culture, you would be taken out and stoned to death. Sex is
only for the married and only for the purpose of creating new life

(babies).

That's clearly a reflection of your fear of sexuality...most people don't
have your intense inhibitions and fears when it comes to something as
natural as sex.

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This is just all so elementary I feel like I am talking to a child about

the

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birds and the bees.

Here's hoping that never happens in the real world.

GG

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Sex outside of marriage is universally condemned and excoriated. The

family

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and its values reign supreme everywhere.

Oh, poor, ED...you live such a sheltered and sad life.

BTW - it's ironic that you should talk about "family values", when

you've

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lived your life as a misogynistic celibate.

There is almost no person alive today who did not come out of a family. Of
course, I realize that GaryG may not have come out of a family since his
morality is so skewed.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

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Quoted message said:

Nope, you have your definition and I have mine. You are a sexual slob and
moral cretin to boot. You are not my man of the world, unless that world

be

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some kind of underworld.

ED, you moron...I didn't claim to be a man of the world...you did! I
merely
pointed out the common definition* of the expression, and noted that you
cannot be considered to fall within that definition.

You claim to be educated, so you should know better than to use the "you
have your definition and I have mine" argument. Words have meanings, as
you
should know, and you can't alter them just to try and avoid looking stupid
(again).

* A "man of the world" is an idiomatic expression, meaning "someone who
has a lot of experience of life, and is not usually shocked by the way
people behave."

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Screw that definition! A man of the world is someone who has some
sophistication. It has absolutely nothing to do with approving immorality.
The village idiot has no sophistication and is therefore not a man of the
world. Someone who has been to most of the capitals of Europe and enjoyed
various cultural events has some sophistication and is therefore a man of
the world. I am such a man and I heartily condemn all immorality. Therefore,
there is something wrong with your definition. Elementary, my dear Watson!

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

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"Jeff Grippe" <[email hidden]> wrote

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I implore you as I have been implored in the past,
DON'T FEED THE TROLL.

Actually, don't rise or descend to the bait.

As many people point out, one can filter, either by choosing
which topics and messages to read "manually" or by automating
the process with filters. Both work, the later reduces clutter
and temptation, dramatically.

Effective as filtering, manual or automated is, the curb appeal of
a newsgroup is not determined by these. The curb-appeal or
repel of ARBR is and has been for some time dominated by off-topic
and often insulting, abusive, and not infrequently vulgar and obscene
posts. Imagine coming to ARBR for the first time, not knowing
who/what to ignore. That's the curb-appeal or not-appeal factor.

In the end, it doesn't matter whether trollers actually believe what
they write or are simply posing. But if it helps to realize that you
cannot change a seemingly racist, bigoted, even unbalanced
posters' minds by either responding in measured logical ways or
responding in equally abusive form, then do what it takes to come
to that conclusion. If it helps to realize they may be simply trying
to push your buttons and promote themselves by any attention
and response, then consider that.

USENET newsgroups are communities. We are what we post.
All posts are trolls. Want more posts like Ed's? Respond to
him, take his bait. Bait him. By all means, "engage" him.

Want a different appeal for ARBR? Post more messages like
you want to see. Respond, bait, engage *positively*. Ignore the
negative baiting and take pride in doing so, but don't expect it
to go away any time soon.

Jon Meinecke