A really dumb chili question?

Ruddell said:

A short discussion with a friend left us without an answer and rather
dumbfounded/shocked about chili. Where/when did the term 'con carne' first
get dropped. Obviously, this is just to shorten the name but originally,
there was a meaning to it and got even more meaningful as vegetarian dishes
became more the norm (chili sin carne). I've searched a few sites/recipe
books but found nothing with who actually shortened the name to simply chili
(which means really nothing I think?). Wikipedia of course has an
interesting page on it all but still leaves that one open.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chili_con_carne#Origins_and_history

I'm sure most/many of us remember our mums making chili con carne when we
were kids but today, nobody uses that term.

Anyone?

Yes, I know, I shouldn't worry about such things but that's my nature ;-)

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Cheers!

Dennis

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I think they use that term frequently in UK to refer to the stuff
consists of red kidney beans/ mince meat/ and chili...

"Con carne" is Spanish for "with meat".

Lefty
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Quoted message said:

A short discussion with a friend left us without an answer and rather
dumbfounded/shocked about chili. Where/when did the term 'con carne'

first

Quoted message said:

get dropped. Obviously, this is just to shorten the name but originally,
there was a meaning to it and got even more meaningful as vegetarian

dishes

Quoted message said:

became more the norm (chili sin carne). I've searched a few sites/recipe
books but found nothing with who actually shortened the name to simply

chili

Quoted message said:

(which means really nothing I think?). Wikipedia of course has an
interesting page on it all but still leaves that one open.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chili_con_carne#Origins_and_history

I'm sure most/many of us remember our mums making chili con carne when we
were kids but today, nobody uses that term.

Anyone?

Yes, I know, I shouldn't worry about such things but that's my nature ;-)

--
Cheers!

Dennis

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Ruddell said:

A short discussion with a friend left us without an answer and rather
dumbfounded/shocked about chili. Where/when did the term 'con carne' first
get dropped.

According to The Oxford Companion To Food by Alan Davidson "It first
appeared, with a slightly different spelling, in a book by S. Compton
Smith entitled Chile con Carne, or The Camp and the Field (1857).

"Ruddell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

A short discussion with a friend left us without an answer and rather
dumbfounded/shocked about chili. Where/when did the term 'con carne'
first
get dropped. Obviously, this is just to shorten the name but originally,
there was a meaning to it and got even more meaningful as vegetarian
dishes
became more the norm (chili sin carne). I've searched a few sites/recipe
books but found nothing with who actually shortened the name to simply
chili
(which means really nothing I think?). Wikipedia of course has an
interesting page on it all but still leaves that one open.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chili_con_carne#Origins_and_history

I'm sure most/many of us remember our mums making chili con carne when we
were kids but today, nobody uses that term.

Anyone?

Yes, I know, I shouldn't worry about such things but that's my nature ;-)

--
Cheers!

Dennis

Cheers.

Carne is Spanish for "meat", among other things. There's a clue.

carne f
1 flesh
2 (alimento) meat: no me gusta la carne de cerdo, I don't like pork
3 (de un fruto) pulp 4 carne de cañón, cannon fodder
figurado familiar carne de gallina, goosepimples ? LOC: familiar ser de
carne y hueso, to be only human
en carne viva, (despellejado) raw: tenía los pies en carne viva, her
feet were raw

In article <[email hidden]>,

Ruddell said:

A short discussion with a friend left us without an answer and rather
dumbfounded/shocked about chili. Where/when did the term 'con carne' first
get dropped. Obviously, this is just to shorten the name but originally,
there was a meaning to it and got even more meaningful as vegetarian dishes
became more the norm (chili sin carne). I've searched a few sites/recipe
books but found nothing with who actually shortened the name to simply chili
(which means really nothing I think?). Wikipedia of course has an
interesting page on it all but still leaves that one open.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chili_con_carne#Origins_and_history

I'm sure most/many of us remember our mums making chili con carne when we
were kids but today, nobody uses that term.

Anyone?

Yes, I know, I shouldn't worry about such things but that's my nature ;-)

--
Cheers!

Dennis

Whatever happened to Chili con' queso? ;-)
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Peace, Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

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In article <[email hidden]>,

Ruddell said:

A short discussion with a friend left us without an answer and rather
dumbfounded/shocked about chili. Where/when did the term 'con carne'

first

Quoted message said:

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get dropped. Obviously, this is just to shorten the name but

originally,

Quoted message said:

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there was a meaning to it and got even more meaningful as vegetarian

dishes

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

became more the norm (chili sin carne). I've searched a few

sites/recipe

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

books but found nothing with who actually shortened the name to simply

chili

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

(which means really nothing I think?). Wikipedia of course has an
interesting page on it all but still leaves that one open.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chili_con_carne#Origins_and_history

I'm sure most/many of us remember our mums making chili con carne when

we

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

were kids but today, nobody uses that term.

Anyone?

Yes, I know, I shouldn't worry about such things but that's my nature

;-)

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--
Cheers!

Dennis

Whatever happened to Chili con' queso? ;-)
--
Peace, Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack

Nicholson

Chili con carne con queso con nata agriar con Corona con senorita con gusto.

Always one of my favorite lunches.

Lefty
--
Life is for learning
The worst I ever had was wonderful

One day, in a small company cafeteria, a sign said "Chili con Carne (with beans)". A guy in front of me
asked the cafeteria guy, "isn't that redundant? Chili 'with beans' with beans?" The cafeteria guy
stared at me for a second (like, "what a dope"😉 and then said "'con carne' means 'with meat', so it
is chili with meat with beans." I added that chili started out as a stew of chilis, and meat was
added later, but the guy's brain had already checked out.

A year or two ago, I found out from the food network, that Chili is
traditionally made with ONLY meat and chili peppers, NO BEANS AT ALL.

http://www.chilicookoff.com/History/History_of_Chili.asp

-Steven
http://www.iamfood.com
The World's Tastiest Database

Ruddell said:

A short discussion with a friend left us without an answer and rather
dumbfounded/shocked about chili. Where/when did the term 'con carne' first
get dropped. Obviously, this is just to shorten the name but originally,
there was a meaning to it and got even more meaningful as vegetarian dishes
became more the norm (chili sin carne). I've searched a few sites/recipe
books but found nothing with who actually shortened the name to simply chili
(which means really nothing I think?). Wikipedia of course has an
interesting page on it all but still leaves that one open.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chili_con_carne#Origins_and_history

I'm sure most/many of us remember our mums making chili con carne when we
were kids but today, nobody uses that term.

Anyone?

Yes, I know, I shouldn't worry about such things but that's my nature ;-)

--
Cheers!

Dennis

Remove 'Elle-Kabong' to reply

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Lefty said:

Chili con carne con queso con nata agriar con Corona con senorita con gusto.

Always one of my favorite lunches.

Lefty

I think I got most of that. ;-)

Chili with meat and cheese, beer and a beautiful woman.....

And no I did not cheat and look it up.

How'd I do? <G>
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Peace, Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

In article <[email hidden]>, guy klose <[email hidden]>

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One day, in a small company cafeteria, a sign said "Chili con Carne (with
beans)". A guy in front of me
asked the cafeteria guy, "isn't that redundant? Chili 'with beans' with
beans?" The cafeteria guy
stared at me for a second (like, "what a dope"😉 and then said "'con carne'
means 'with meat', so it
is chili with meat with beans." I added that chili started out as a stew of
chilis, and meat was
added later, but the guy's brain had already checked out.

With beans would be con Frijole's?
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Peace, Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 20:48:41 +0000 (UTC), guy klose <[email hidden]>

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One day, in a small company cafeteria, a sign said "Chili con Carne (with beans)"

Why wasn't the sign "Chili con Carne y frijoles"?

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A year or two ago, I found out from the food network, that Chili is

Well,,,,,....I guess it has been written in STONE.

Tell that one to someone from Cincinnati!

nata agriar - sour cream?
Lynn from Fargo

con cebollas tambien

On 22 Mar 2006 13:38:42 -0800, "Lynn from Fargo" <[email hidden]>

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nata agriar - sour cream?
Lynn from Fargo

con cebollas tambien

We have lived on and off in Mexico since the late sixties.... I have
never seen "sour cream" there...i.e. crema amarga. They still don't
have adequate refrigeration for that! Go to Zacatecas or Yelapa and
they don't know what you are talking about. If you are going to
WalMart in Acapulco...that is an entirely different story.

Sour Cream is something that Taco Bell put on their so called Mexican
food.

Onions/cebollas? what does that have to do with sour cream.

Ruddell said:

A short discussion with a friend left us without an answer and rather
dumbfounded/shocked about chili. Where/when did the term 'con carne' first
get dropped. Obviously, this is just to shorten the name but originally,
there was a meaning to it and got even more meaningful as vegetarian dishes
became more the norm (chili sin carne). I've searched a few sites/recipe
books but found nothing with who actually shortened the name to simply chili
(which means really nothing I think?). Wikipedia of course has an
interesting page on it all but still leaves that one open.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chili_con_carne#Origins_and_history

I'm sure most/many of us remember our mums making chili con carne when we
were kids but today, nobody uses that term.

Anyone?

The term is still in common use. Although the books I have refer to
'carne con chile' which makes more sense.
Chile is the red or green hot pepper that goes into making carne con
chile.

You nailed it, esp. with the .....ending. Gusto means pleasure :-)
Lefty
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Life is for learning
The worst I ever had was wonderful

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Lefty said:

Chili con carne con queso con nata agriar con Corona con senorita con

gusto.

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Always one of my favorite lunches.

Lefty

I think I got most of that. ;-)

Chili with meat and cheese, beer and a beautiful woman.....

And no I did not cheat and look it up.

How'd I do? <G>
--
Peace, Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack

Nicholson

You nailed it, esp. with the .....ending! (Gusto means pleasure :-)
Lefty
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Life is for learning
The worst I ever had was wonderful

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In article <[email hidden]>, guy klose <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

One day, in a small company cafeteria, a sign said "Chili con Carne

(with

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

beans)". A guy in front of me
asked the cafeteria guy, "isn't that redundant? Chili 'with beans' with
beans?" The cafeteria guy
stared at me for a second (like, "what a dope"😉 and then said "'con

carne'

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

means 'with meat', so it
is chili with meat with beans." I added that chili started out as a stew

of

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

chilis, and meat was
added later, but the guy's brain had already checked out.

With beans would be con Frijole's?
--
Peace, Om.

How about ...con Frijoles Para Musica?

Lefty
--
Life is for learning
The worst I ever had was wonderful

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Lefty said:

You nailed it, esp. with the .....ending. Gusto means pleasure :-)
Lefty
--
Life is for learning
The worst I ever had was wonderful

Via con' pollo...... <g>
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Peace, Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

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Lefty said:

How about ...con Frijoles Para Musica?

Lefty

ROFL!!!!!!
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Peace, Om.

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