A question of values.

"Ken C. M." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Some recent events have set this question pondering about in my mind.

If you made enough money to support yourself and your family in your
current position at your place of employment, but were offered a possible
promotion that would mean more responsibility, more hours and lest not
forget more pay, but would leave you with less time for other things such
as riding, would you take the promotion to save more money for that new
bike or for that long tour that you’ve always dreamed of doing, but never
had the monetary funds to do.

So to simplify the question. Which is more important time or money?

Depends on how much time, how much money. I can be bought but I'm not
cheap...

In my workplace the employees tended to two extremes: those who would grab
any overtime opportunity available - I'm talking about 15 - 20 straight 12
hour shifts if they could - and those who never wanted to work any OT.

At first I worked a lot of OT - partially to pay off student loans and have
enough to invest etc etc. I found you get addicted to the larger paycheques
to the point that getting a 'normal' one seemed like not enough.

Eventually I got my finances where I wanted them, loans paid off, debt free
and enough in the bank so I pretty much stopped working OT. I found that
equally addictive. I really didn't want to sell my time for time-and-a-half,
double-time... ok Id still go for the triple-time stat holidays.

To bring it back to cycling this process coincidentally paralleled my
interest in riding so that I'd much rather do that than go to work. Another
parallel was the increasing amount I considered acceptable to spend on
cycling. I used to gape at thought of bikes in the $1000-$2000 range.

"Ken C. M." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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So to simplify the question. Which is more important time or money?

Time. No question. Both my husband and I have made career choices that have
hobbled our advancement and earning ability, in exchange for a saner and
happier life.

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Ken C. M. said:

Some recent events have set this question pondering about in my mind.

If you made enough money to support yourself and your family in your
current position at your place of employment, but were offered a
possible promotion that would mean more responsibility, more hours and
lest not forget more pay, but would leave you with less time for other
things such as riding, would you take the promotion to save more money
for that new bike or for that long tour that you’ve always dreamed of
doing, but never had the monetary funds to do.

So to simplify the question. Which is more important time or money?

If it's a choice between an adequate bike on a 2 week tour or a dream
bike on a 2 day one, I'd go for the first (assuming the weather's nice!).

Touring needn't be expensive in funds, it's often expensive in time.

Pete.
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In article <[email hidden]>,

Ken C. M. said:

So to simplify the question. Which is more important time or money?

What's the point of spending money on your dream bike if you never have
time to ride it?

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"Ken C. M." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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So to simplify the question. Which is more important time or money?

Ken
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It's a matter of balance. Think about how much money you have, what kind of
obligations you have taken on, and how much time you have left then perhaps
you can determine the proper balance. There's always a price that must be
paid for one or the other.

HI Ken,
The fact that you ask this questions tells me you already know the
answer!
another, Ken
"Ken C. M." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Some recent events have set this question pondering about in my mind.

If you made enough money to support yourself and your family in your
current position at your place of employment, but were offered a possible
promotion that would mean more responsibility, more hours and lest not
forget more pay, but would leave you with less time for other things such
as riding, would you take the promotion to save more money for that new
bike or for that long tour that you’ve always dreamed of doing, but never
had the monetary funds to do.

So to simplify the question. Which is more important time or money?

Ken
--
New cycling jersey: $49
new cycling shorts: $39
Not being a slave to the petrol pump: priceless.

recycled-one said:

"Ken C. M." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Some recent events have set this question pondering about in my mind.

If you made enough money to support yourself and your family in your
current position at your place of employment, but were offered a possible
promotion that would mean more responsibility, more hours and lest not
forget more pay, but would leave you with less time for other things such
as riding, would you take the promotion to save more money for that new
bike or for that long tour that you’ve always dreamed of doing, but never
had the monetary funds to do.

So to simplify the question. Which is more important time or money?

Depends on how much time, how much money. I can be bought but I'm not
cheap...

In my workplace the employees tended to two extremes: those who would grab
any overtime opportunity available - I'm talking about 15 - 20 straight 12
hour shifts if they could - and those who never wanted to work any OT.

Sounds similar to my workplace.

Quoted message said:

At first I worked a lot of OT - partially to pay off student loans and have
enough to invest etc etc. I found you get addicted to the larger paycheques
to the point that getting a 'normal' one seemed like not enough.

Yeah when you get that BIG check, followed by smaller ones you wish they
were larger.

Quoted message said:

Eventually I got my finances where I wanted them, loans paid off, debt free
and enough in the bank so I pretty much stopped working OT. I found that
equally addictive. I really didn't want to sell my time for time-and-a-half,
double-time... ok Id still go for the triple-time stat holidays.

Sounds like you got the plan together.

Quoted message said:

To bring it back to cycling this process coincidentally paralleled my
interest in riding so that I'd much rather do that than go to work. Another
parallel was the increasing amount I considered acceptable to spend on
cycling. I used to gape at thought of bikes in the $1000-$2000 range.

Cycling is an addictive activity. I would prefer to ride as well. Or
better yet have a job were I get paid to ride (like that will ever happen).

Ken
--
New cycling jersey: $49
new cycling shorts: $39
Not being a slave to the petrol pump: priceless.

Claire Petersky said:

"Ken C. M." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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So to simplify the question. Which is more important time or money?

Time. No question. Both my husband and I have made career choices that have
hobbled our advancement and earning ability, in exchange for a saner and
happier life.

Seems to me that less work = better quality of life. Just my opinion.

Ken
--
New cycling jersey: $49
new cycling shorts: $39
Not being a slave to the petrol pump: priceless.

Peter Clinch said:

Ken C. M. said:

Some recent events have set this question pondering about in my mind.

If you made enough money to support yourself and your family in your
current position at your place of employment, but were offered a
possible promotion that would mean more responsibility, more hours and
lest not forget more pay, but would leave you with less time for other
things such as riding, would you take the promotion to save more money
for that new bike or for that long tour that you’ve always dreamed of
doing, but never had the monetary funds to do.

So to simplify the question. Which is more important time or money?

If it's a choice between an adequate bike on a 2 week tour or a dream
bike on a 2 day one, I'd go for the first (assuming the weather's nice!).

Touring needn't be expensive in funds, it's often expensive in time.

Pete.

Well one of my dreams is to do the cross country thing here in the U.S.
And if I am still able and have the money Europe as well.

Ken
--
New cycling jersey: $49
new cycling shorts: $39
Not being a slave to the petrol pump: priceless.

Doc O'Leary said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Ken C. M. said:

So to simplify the question. Which is more important time or money?

What's the point of spending money on your dream bike if you never have
time to ride it?

Very well said.

Ken
--
New cycling jersey: $49
new cycling shorts: $39
Not being a slave to the petrol pump: priceless.

Z said:

"Ken C. M." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

So to simplify the question. Which is more important time or money?

Ken
--

It's a matter of balance. Think about how much money you have, what kind of
obligations you have taken on, and how much time you have left then perhaps
you can determine the proper balance. There's always a price that must be
paid for one or the other.

Proper balance is important for all things. Probably more so with money
vs. time. I have read many accounts of people going a little nuts when
working to much. Take postal workers for one example.

Ken
--
New cycling jersey: $49
new cycling shorts: $39
Not being a slave to the petrol pump: priceless.

Ken Bradley said:

HI Ken,
The fact that you ask this questions tells me you already know the
answer!
another, Ken

Well I know the answer for me. I just wondered if other recreational
cyclist had the same values.

Ken
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New cycling jersey: $49
new cycling shorts: $39
Not being a slave to the petrol pump: priceless.

"Ken C. M." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Cycling is an addictive activity. I would prefer to ride as well. Or
better yet have a job were I get paid to ride (like that will ever
happen).

I don't know about that. The assumption is that it's best that your job is
something you love doing but what if the fact of it being a job reduces the
enjoyment?

recycled-one said:

"Ken C. M." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Cycling is an addictive activity. I would prefer to ride as well. Or
better yet have a job were I get paid to ride (like that will ever
happen).

I don't know about that. The assumption is that it's best that your job is
something you love doing but what if the fact of it being a job reduces the
enjoyment?

Perhaps you have a point. But I think it would be fun to be a group
leader on a supported tour or something similar to that.

Ken
--
New cycling jersey: $49
new cycling shorts: $39
Not being a slave to the petrol pump: priceless.

Ken C. M. said:

Claire Petersky said:

Time. No question. Both my husband and I have made career choices that have
hobbled our advancement and earning ability, in exchange for a saner and
happier life.

Seems to me that less work = better quality of life. Just my opinion.

I agree, but you realize this is downright unAmerican. You should covet
the largest SUV, expand the size of your house, have a manicured lawn,
send your kids to preppy colleges, and of course ride a $6000 bike to
the coffee shop in your half hour of leisure time each week.

Art Harris

Art Harris said:

Ken C. M. said:

Claire Petersky said:

Time. No question. Both my husband and I have made career choices that have
hobbled our advancement and earning ability, in exchange for a saner and
happier life.

Seems to me that less work = better quality of life. Just my opinion.

I agree, but you realize this is downright unAmerican. You should covet
the largest SUV, expand the size of your house, have a manicured lawn,
send your kids to preppy colleges, and of course ride a $6000 bike to
the coffee shop in your half hour of leisure time each week.

Art Harris

It may be un-american then again america is becoming un-american.

Ken
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New cycling jersey: $49
new cycling shorts: $39
Not being a slave to the petrol pump: priceless.

Time. No Question. I've been doing a 24 mile daily commute that runs
anywhere from 50 minutes to 2 hours every day each way. I'm on the verge of
leaving a six year job to take a new one that is 3 miles from my house and
will allow me to bike to work in less than half the time of my former
commute. This will give me 40 minutes a day of exercise just by going to
work.

I figured out that I have spent over 3000 hours in the car, arriving home
too late to do anything and grouchy and exhausted from the traffic. My
health is beginning to deteriorate because of lack of exercise. I've now
decided that I need to take back my life and arrive home at a normal hour.
Hopefully the new job will also be as good as the increase in my time.

Ken C. M. said:

Some recent events have set this question pondering about in my mind.

If you made enough money to support yourself and your family in your
current position at your place of employment, but were offered a
possible promotion that would mean more responsibility, more hours and
lest not forget more pay, but would leave you with less time for other
things such as riding, would you take the promotion to save more money
for that new bike or for that long tour that you’ve always dreamed of
doing, but never had the monetary funds to do.

So to simplify the question. Which is more important time or money?

You do not know the amount of time you will have, but it is finite and
unrenewable. Money, on the other hand, is something that it *may* be
possible to manipulate either to make less go farther or to acquire
more. To me, then, the answer in such an instance is simple; time is
worth more than money, at least in many cases.
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Quoted message said:

You do not know the amount of time you will have, but it is finite and
unrenewable. Money, on the other hand, is something that it *may* be
possible to manipulate either to make less go farther or to acquire
more. To me, then, the answer in such an instance is simple; time is
worth more than money, at least in many cases.

Very well put. I have always thought that I was making decisions where I was
opting for less money and more time. I have not always been right about the
choice. But even having time to waste (it isn't really wasting) is valuable.

On the other hand, I have often managed to find jobs that I really like and
so they didn't seem like work. It is certainly true that I wouldn't be doing
them if I didn't have to but they were enjoyable nevertheless.

So to answer your question, I would not choose the "better" job and trade
time for money either.

Jeff