a question from a newbie

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I am getting interested in getting back to bicycling as a form of excercise
and recreation. I was told by a friend that is really into cycling that in
order to really get a good bike, you need to spend just over $1000 with
special seat and clothing and shoes, etc. Is this true? I am considering a

You will probably find that the clothes make riding more comfortable
(and therefore more fun), but they're not required.

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"Road Bike" or perhaps a "Hybrid".

Secondly, he told me that Giant is a good brand bike. I have never heard of
them.

They are a well-known and -respected bike brand, just as much so as
Trek, Fuji, Specialized, and many others.

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Thirdly, what are some bike brands that dont require a huge investment, yet
have features that make biking enjoyable, yet efficient?

Fuji has some nice entry-level road bikes in the $400 to $800 range.
Which one you want really depends on how, where, and how much you ride.
Ask your dealer about the League, Ace, Finest, and Touring models, and
have him/her explain the difference, or go to their web site to get some
basic information. Personally I would not recommend the League, because
it has the shifters on the downtube rather than integrated into the
brake levers, but it is the least expensive of those models and some
people like downtube shifters, so you might want to consider it. I have
a 2003 Fuji Touring which I love, but there are lots of great bikes out
there, so take your time and figure out which one is best for you.

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Thank you for helping a newbis...

Welcome to the sport!

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I am getting interested in getting back to bicycling as a form of excercise
and recreation.

You can check out road bikes at

www.roadbikereview.com

Fit is extremely important. Ask around and find a good Local Bike Shop to work
with you on fitting your bikw. Here is a good article:

http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/fitting.htm

have fun.

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Tim McNamara said:

James Noll said:

I am getting interested in getting back to bicycling as a

form of

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excercise and recreation. I was told by a friend that is

really into

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cycling that in order to really get a good bike, you need

to spend

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just over $1000 with special seat and clothing and shoes,

etc. Is

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this true?

Good grief NO! Not only are there many good new bikes

available for

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less than this, you can get a used bike for a whole lot

less than

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this. Used bikes are a pretty safe buy as there's not

much that can

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be hidden about their condition. Of the five bikes I have

now, one

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was bought new- the others I bought used and got excellent

value for

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my money. I would not recommend buying one at a garage

sale or

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consignment store unless you know what you are looking at

and how to

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fix them. A lot of bike shops sell used bikes that they

have tuned

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up.

I'm no expert, although 5 of my 7 bikes were bought used.
The major problem Jim (the OP) will have is that he will
need to find a knowledgeable friend so he can avoid some
common pitfalls:

1. Steel rims
2. Frame damage, or parts frozen together (e.g.
crossthreaded pedal, or handlebars that can no longer be
raised.
3. Bad fit
(etc.)

Most bike shops around here don't carry used bikes -- not
worth the trouble.

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Mike Kruger
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share with
chimpanzees?" "Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh! I know, sir!"

James Noll said:

I am getting interested in getting back to bicycling as a form of excercise
and recreation. I was told by a friend that is really into cycling that in
order to really get a good bike, you need to spend just over $1000

I haven't bought or priced a bike in a long time, but this seems high to me.

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with special seat

My "special" seat cost me 39.99 at Performance (Forte Classic). I have
absolutely no complaints (that means it's a good seat - at least for me).

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and clothing and shoes,

Not really needed. You may want some padded shorts (save some money and
check out Performance shorts), but I've been wearing my cotton hiking
shorts and t-shirts for years and years. (I've switched to bib knickers
- padded cycling knickers - for winter. I got the cheap brand (see
above) and I am very happy with them.)

I've always worn plain "sneakers" (I now wear Teva sandals in warmer -
not winter - weather) and I use clips and straps (cheap). No shoes or
"pedal system" is needed. You can always put these things off and add on
later if you feel the need.

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etc. Is this true? I am considering a "Road Bike"

Bent over in drop handlebars.

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or perhaps a "Hybrid".

More upright with straight bars.

That's a very basic choice you need to make.

I've come to prefer the hybrid route, but that's a matter of personal
choice.

You can spend a lot of money trying to make the bike lightweight -
shedding a pound or two - but I've always felt it more cost efficient to
just shed those pounds off myself.

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Secondly, he told me that Giant is a good brand bike. I have never heard of
them.

That's a fine brand of bike

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Thirdly, what are some bike brands that dont require a huge investment, yet
have features that make biking enjoyable, yet efficient?

Buy it from a reputable shop and you'll have an efficient, enjoyable bike.

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Thank you for helping a newbis...

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Giant builds a good bike for the money. Figure about $600 for a Giant
OCR3, $25 each for a jersey, shorts, and gloves from Performance, $75
for shoes, $75 for a good helmet, another $100 for pumps, seat bag,
spare tubes, and tire levers. You're pretty close to $1,000. Don't
buy a new saddle until you have tried the one that comes on the Giant.

With this bike or a Trek 1000 you will be able to ride with anyone and
not be limited by your equipment. It's amazing how much bike you get
for the money these days.

[censored] Durbin

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Giant builds a good bike for the money. Figure about $600 for a Giant
OCR3, $25 each for a jersey, shorts, and gloves from Performance, $75
for shoes, $75 for a good helmet, another $100 for pumps, seat bag,
spare tubes, and tire levers. You're pretty close to $1,000. Don't
buy a new saddle until you have tried the one that comes on the Giant.

If you want to hold off on the clothes and shoes for a while, you could,
but the rest of this stuff should be considered semi-mandatory (though
the seat bag could be replaced by a [censored] pack if you want).

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With this bike or a Trek 1000 you will be able to ride with anyone and
not be limited by your equipment. It's amazing how much bike you get
for the money these days.

[censored] Durbin

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James Noll said:

I am getting interested in getting back to bicycling as a form of excercise
and recreation. I was told by a friend that is really into cycling that in
order to really get a good bike, you need to spend just over $1000 with
special seat and clothing and shoes, etc. Is this true?

You can get some very nice used bikes for around $200. Add another
$200 for a basic helmet, gloves, shoes, and basic cycling clothing.
You don't need a special seat unless you have fit problems.

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Secondly, he told me that Giant is a good brand bike. I have never heard of
them.
Thirdly, what are some bike brands that dont require a huge investment, yet
have features that make biking enjoyable, yet efficient?

The 4 most popular brands of bikes in the USA are Trek, Giant, Specialized,
and Cannondale. For efficiency, get a bike with lightweight narrow tires.
Buy from a good shop that can size and fit the bike to you.

James Noll said:

I am getting interested in getting back to bicycling as a form of
excercise and recreation. I was told by a friend that is really into
cycling that in order to really get a good bike, you need to spend
just over $1000 with special seat and clothing and shoes, etc. Is
this true?

Good grief NO! Not only are there many good new bikes available for
less than this, you can get a used bike for a whole lot less than
this. Used bikes are a pretty safe buy as there's not much that can
be hidden about their condition. Of the five bikes I have now, one
was bought new- the others I bought used and got excellent value for
my money. I would not recommend buying one at a garage sale or
consignment store unless you know what you are looking at and how to
fix them. A lot of bike shops sell used bikes that they have tuned
up.

As for clothing, I think cycling shorts are good for comfort. You can
put a pair of regular shorts over those if you like. The rest of the
clothing can be what you normally wear. At our club ride a couple of
Saturdays ago, we had a guy turn up with cargo shorts, a sweater,
running shoes on his commuting bike. He had no trouble going over 40
miles on that bike and seemed to be having a lot of fun.

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I am considering a "Road Bike" or perhaps a "Hybrid".

Secondly, he told me that Giant is a good brand bike. I have never
heard of them.

Giant is a Taiwanese brand and is the largest manufacturer of bikes in
the world. "Giant" is their own label, but they build bikes to
specification for Trek and many other labels. If the bike says "made
in Taiwan" somewhere on the frame, it was probably made by Giant no
matter whose sticker is on the down tube.

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Thirdly, what are some bike brands that dont require a huge
investment, yet have features that make biking enjoyable, yet
efficient?

The bike that you are most confortable on is going to be the most
efficient for you, so try lots of bikes. For me that's a road bike,
but for you it might be something else.

Olebiker said:

It's amazing how much bike you get for the money these days.

Yeah. "Cheap" bikes are much better than they used to be, although
department store bikes are still mostly [censored].

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$75 for a good helmet,

FWIW, the Giro Torrent is a great helmet (well, it fits my noggin), and its
price is $25. See:
http://www.performancebike.com/shop/profile.cfm?SKU=17658&SRCCODE=2047. If
you're just going with a helmet with the basic certifications -- all the
ones you're going to find at a bike shop are going to qualify. Don't pay
more unless it makes you significantly more comfortable.

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I am getting interested in getting back to bicycling as a form of

excercise

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and recreation.

A friendly FYI to you -- you probably want to post this sort of thing, and
other "miscellaneous" type questions over in rec.bicycles.misc.

This newsgroup is for posting about rides -- event type rides, like riding
in a century (100 mile or 100 km event) -- or touring.

Oh, as long as I'm at it: rec.bicycles.tech is for mechanical questions,
like, "why does my bottom bracket keep clicking" and long drawn out
discussions about the merits of Campy parts vs. Shimano. If you are not that
mechanically inclined or knowledgeable, it is my experience that people are
generally very patient and helpful in rbt.

Rec.bicycles.soc is a looney bin for the debating of the merits of helmets,
ranting about the damage mountain bikes cause (or don't), and other social
issues related to bicycling. Enter at your own risk.

I don't go over to rec.bicycles.racing that much, but it's supposed to be
about racing bikes, whether you're a fan, or you race yourself. I hear
people are snobby over there, but what do I know.

Finally, and alt.bicycles.recumbent is for people who like to pedal in a
lounge chair position. As we all know, to ride a recumbent, you must be some
combination of: male, over the age of 50, wear little round glasses, have a
beard, have a small pot belly, be a (former) engineer, or have a TiG welding
set in the basement.

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You all are so well informed and nice, geezze, thanks for all the help. It's
nice to know that there are so many nice people out there that can help. I
really am going to like riding, I can just tell. Just think, instead of
watching a gagel of jerseys go by I can watch from the middle of a gaggel of
jerseys as a bunch of humans go by... 😉
Safe riding to you all and Merry Christmas!!!

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$75 for a good helmet,

FWIW, the Giro Torrent is a great helmet (well, it fits my noggin), and

its

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price is $25. See:
http://www.performancebike.com/shop/profile.cfm?SKU=17658&SRCCODE=2047. If
you're just going with a helmet with the basic certifications -- all the
ones you're going to find at a bike shop are going to qualify. Don't pay
more unless it makes you significantly more comfortable.

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At the entry level for good road bikes the dealer counts far more than
the brand. A good Trek, a good Specialized, a Good Giant are very
similar. Once you have the dealer, then ride the bikes for at least a few
miles.

Alan Acock
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Giant builds a good bike for the money. Figure about $600 for a Giant
OCR3, $25 each for a jersey, shorts, and gloves from Performance, $75
for shoes, $75 for a good helmet, another $100 for pumps, seat bag,
spare tubes, and tire levers. You're pretty close to $1,000. Don't
buy a new saddle until you have tried the one that comes on the Giant.

With this bike or a Trek 1000 you will be able to ride with anyone and
not be limited by your equipment. It's amazing how much bike you get
for the money these days.

[censored] Durbin

Claire Petersky said:

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$75 for a good helmet,

FWIW, the Giro Torrent is a great helmet (well, it fits my noggin), and its
price is $25. See:
http://www.performancebike.com/shop/profile.cfm?SKU=17658&SRCCODE=2047. If
you're just going with a helmet with the basic certifications -- all the
ones you're going to find at a bike shop are going to qualify. Don't pay
more unless it makes you significantly more comfortable.

Ah, the joys of an LBS (local bike shop). Strangely, most of the
catalogs have lots of expensive bike helmets. Few of my LBSs do -- they
start out around $30, and there's hardly any over $75. I guess
everybody who wants a $200 helmet knows they can order it cheaper.

As Claire says, anything at a bike shop will work about equally well.
On the fringe of significance, a 14 vent helmet is a couple degrees
cooler than a 6 vent helmet. Is it worth another $5-10? It is to me
when it's 95 and humid, but you'll have to decide for yourself. And I
like white -- it's 1.7495238% more visible.

Pat

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cooler than a 6 vent helmet. Is it worth another $5-10? It is to me
when it's 95 and humid, but you'll have to decide for yourself. And I
like white -- it's 1.7495238% more visible.

Except in fog and snow! But it's tough to find a quality yellow helmet
<grin>.

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like white -- it's 1.7495238% more visible.

Except in fog and snow! But it's tough to find a quality yellow helmet

Which is why I have my white helmet festooned with reflective chartreuse
stickers.

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On the fringe of significance, a 14 vent helmet is a couple degrees
cooler than a 6 vent helmet.

Likewise, it is also warmer in winter temps! We always have a lot of sun, even
on cold day, and that black helmet can make a difference!

I guess I need two - winter black and summer white models.

But, I never pay a lot for a helmet, usually get them at Nashbar sales and
closeouts.

Something like this (said I, fearfully showing a cheap helmet and awaiting the
thrown daggers)

http://www.nashbar.com/profile.cfm?category=91&subcategory=1045&brand=&sku
=12144&storetype=&estoreid=&pagename=

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Denver C. Fox said:

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On the fringe of significance, a 14 vent helmet is a couple degrees
cooler than a 6 vent helmet.

Likewise, it is also warmer in winter temps! We always have a lot of sun, even
on cold day, and that black helmet can make a difference!

I guess I need two - winter black and summer white models.

Good point! I wonder where my old, hot helmet is -- it was below
freezing this morning! (First time below 30 this year, if I'm not
mistaken.) Of course, it's still white.

Pat

James, go looking for a local bike club too. It'll make your transition
easier and more fun. They come in all flavors (racing, touring, ATBs,
'bents...).

--Karen M.
Rapid Wheelmen