A possible link between low carb and anxiety

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http://psy.psychiatryonline.org/cgi/content/full/47/2/178

i didn't read the details on the article but i first discovered low carb to
control anxiety and panic attacks and I have had great success with that.
it's been 10 years. just my 2 cents.

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Quoted message said:

http://psy.psychiatryonline.org/cgi/content/full/47/2/178

Proving once more that shrinks are as stupid as other docs.

It's the cortisol, stupid.

Susan

Susan said:

It's the cortisol, stupid.

So how to use diet to control cortisol then? Clearly buying pills
labeled "CortiSlim" isn't going to work.

There are an assortment of hormones that control resting
metabolism and appetite. Cortisol is in the list.

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Doug Freyburger said:

So how to use diet to control cortisol then? Clearly buying pills
labeled "CortiSlim" isn't going to work.

There are an assortment of hormones that control resting
metabolism and appetite. Cortisol is in the list.

Keeping insulin sensitivity high and insulin levels lower. Insulin
lowers cortisol binding globulin, the protein that delivers cortisol to
our cells. When the cells don't get enough due to lowered CBG, they
signal the pituitary to crank out more ACTH to stimulate the adrenals to
produce more cortisol.

Low carbing, with higher fat, is an optimal dietary intervention for
cortisol lowering.

Often, psychotic depressin, bipolar disorder, moderate depression and
anxiety respond to cortisol lowering intervetions, resolving completely.

Susan

Susan said:

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Doug Freyburger said:

So how to use diet to control cortisol then? Clearly buying pills
labeled "CortiSlim" isn't going to work.

Quoted message said:

There are an assortment of hormones that control resting
metabolism and appetite. Cortisol is in the list.

Keeping insulin sensitivity high and insulin levels lower. Insulin
lowers cortisol binding globulin, the protein that delivers cortisol to
our cells. When the cells don't get enough due to lowered CBG, they
signal the pituitary to crank out more ACTH to stimulate the adrenals to
produce more cortisol.

Low carbing, with higher fat, is an optimal dietary intervention for
cortisol lowering.

Often, psychotic depressin, bipolar disorder, moderate depression and
anxiety respond to cortisol lowering intervetions, resolving completely.

Susan

One would think that if LC had any noticeable and significant link to
trigerring anxiety disorders, it would be very obvious. There are
lots of people with anxiety disorders and lots of people doing LC. If
LC lead to this effect, it should be quite common. On the other
hand, I can see how starting LC could trigger a panic attack in
someone already known to have them. People commonly have some
physical symptoms in the first days of sever carb restriction. And if
they start to focus on those symptoms, worry etc, it could trigger an
attack.

At least it's better than what sugar is supposed to do to you.
Remember the guy in San Francisco that shot and killed councilman
Harvey Milk and used the twinkie defense to get away with it?

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Quoted message said:

One would think that if LC had any noticeable and significant link to
trigerring anxiety disorders, it would be very obvious. There are
lots of people with anxiety disorders and lots of people doing LC. If
LC lead to this effect, it should be quite common. On the other
hand, I can see how starting LC could trigger a panic attack in
someone already known to have them. People commonly have some
physical symptoms in the first days of sever carb restriction. And if
they start to focus on those symptoms, worry etc, it could trigger an
attack.

I never had panic attacks nor anxiety or depressive disorder, but I had
three weeks of intense, jittery agitation on Atkins induction levels
followed by a paralyzing depression. No doubt this related to the
reduced insulin secretion that meant I was no longer suppressing my
hyper adrenal function.

Quoted message said:

At least it's better than what sugar is supposed to do to you.
Remember the guy in San Francisco that shot and killed councilman
Harvey Milk and used the twinkie defense to get away with it?

Most folks have improved mood and psychiatric function on low carb, but
the very real issue of the opposite happening should lead to a thorough
endocrine eval, not an indictment of low carb.

Susan

Susan said:

Quoted message said:

One would think that if LC had any noticeable and significant link to
trigerring anxiety disorders, it would be very obvious. There are
lots of people with anxiety disorders and lots of people doing LC. If
LC lead to this effect, it should be quite common. On the other
hand, I can see how starting LC could trigger a panic attack in
someone already known to have them. People commonly have some
physical symptoms in the first days of sever carb restriction. And if
they start to focus on those symptoms, worry etc, it could trigger an
attack.

As Susan points out below many people show improved mood
while low carbing. I had always attributed that to stable insulin
and thus stable blood sugar. Sounds like there's more to it than
that. Resting metabolism is controlled by several levels of
hormone feedback loops, so it makes sense that mood effects
are as well.

Quoted message said:

I never had panic attacks nor anxiety or depressive disorder, but I had
three weeks of intense, jittery agitation on Atkins induction levels
followed by a paralyzing depression. No doubt this related to the
reduced insulin secretion that meant I was no longer suppressing my
hyper adrenal function.

You're diabetic, right? Sounds like feedback that favors following
the directions for Atkins and moving on to OWL on day 15, as
well as the directions to work with your doctor to control carb
intake and insulin doses. Dr A did discuss adrenal exhaustion
in one of his books - I had previously thought it had more to do
with setting glucagon output without considering the other better
know effects of adrenaline.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

At least it's better than what sugar is supposed to do to you.
Remember the guy in San Francisco that shot and killed councilman
Harvey Milk and used the twinkie defense to get away with it?

Most folks have improved mood and psychiatric function on low carb, but
the very real issue of the opposite happening should lead to a thorough
endocrine eval, not an indictment of low carb.

You mentioned lowered cortisol levels as beneficial. Puzzling.
I thought the principle of junk tablets like CortiSlim was to
increase its level.

Thanks for teaching!

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Doug Freyburger said:

As Susan points out below many people show improved mood
while low carbing. I had always attributed that to stable insulin
and thus stable blood sugar. Sounds like there's more to it than
that. Resting metabolism is controlled by several levels of
hormone feedback loops, so it makes sense that mood effects
are as well.

It's the adrenal hormones, to be exact, that are significantly altered
by insulin levels.

Quoted message said:

You're diabetic, right?

Yes, but I'm not insulin resistant; my bg is elevated by high cortisol.

Sounds like feedback that favors following

Quoted message said:

the directions for Atkins and moving on to OWL on day 15, as
well as the directions to work with your doctor to control carb
intake and insulin doses. Dr A did discuss adrenal exhaustion
in one of his books - I had previously thought it had more to do
with setting glucagon output without considering the other better
know effects of adrenaline.

I don't follow Atkins nor do I think it's a well written plan. Protein
Power is the only scientifically accurate popular diet book, but I don't
follow that, either.

Quoted message said:

You mentioned lowered cortisol levels as beneficial. Puzzling.
I thought the principle of junk tablets like CortiSlim was to
increase its level.

Thanks for teaching!

It's not just how much cortisol that's in play, it's how much cortisol
binding globulin, which is lowered by high insulin levels or, in my
case, high insulin sensitivity. I had an Addisonian crisis on an
insulin sensitizer with normal cortisol levels; my body wasn't using it
well.

Susan