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  1. Health is the equilibrium of the body, mind and soul. Ginseng is a natural
    food that helps to create this equilibrium and eliminates disturbances in
    normal bodily functions. It is an adaptogen and so is able to adjust its
    effects based on the needs of the individual. This unique harmonizing effect
    is based on the interplay of the ginsenosides (active agents of ginseng
    root).
    Every day we are bombarded with a multitude of stresses and performance
    demands. It is getting more difficult to eat properly, our drinking water is
    not pure, our air carries impurities, we may not exercise enough and we may
    not get enough rest. If we don't do something to improve our ability to
    handle these pressures, we will almost certainly end up with some unwanted
    ailments.

    The effects of ginseng are subtle, as with all natural things. Korean Panax
    Ginseng is known as "the king of herbs" because it is an adaptogen that
    returns us to a state of balance. It adjusts what we need in a way such as a
    Reiki practitioner is lead to the area in need of help.

    Ginseng is food. It cannot harm you or conflict with medications, because it
    is food. It will not conflict with any other supplements. Ginseng will make
    other supplements and medications more effective. When you take our ginseng
    its nutritional profile elimninates the need for most other supplements.

    Most of us takes a shower on a regular basis. We do this because it removes
    accumulated dirt and grime that is unheathy for us to carry around on us. We
    feel better after a shower. Well, ginseng is an internal shower. It does the
    same job (and more) and it too will make us feel better.

  2. Ginseng Bing Han Medical Factory Quintozene
    3/13/2001
    (Powdered) 81, Cherng Gong Street *Pentachlorobenzene
    211-9414883-5 Ell Jeun Village, Taiwan *Tetrachloroaniline
    I290230/120531 FEI# 3003196781 *Hexachlorobenzene
    54F[]R12 - SEA *BHC
    Shipper: Bing Han (Canada) *Pentachloroaniline
    Enterprises. Ltd. *Tecnazene
    210-7911 Alderbridge Way *Pentachlorothioanisole
    Richmond B.C., Canada
    FEI# 3003196782

    QUINTOZENE
    Fungicidal treatment for control of a garden rot that affects many
    plants during cool, wet months.
    It has been widely used to protect ginseng crops.
    EPA considers QUINTOZENE to be a possible human carcinogen
    (cancer-causing agent).

    PENTACHLOROBENZENE
    Breakdown product of QUINTOZENE.
    The substance may have effects on the liver and kidneys,
    resulting in tissue lesions. Animal tests show that this
    substance possibly causes toxic effects upon human
    reproduction.

    TETRACHLOROANILINE
    Breakdown product of TECNAZENE.

    BHC (BENZENE HEXACHLORIDE)
    Probable human carcinogen. Toxic. Irritant.
    Hazardous decomposition product.

    PENTACHLOROANILINE
    Metabolite of QUINTOZENE.

    TECNAZENE
    Fungicide. Banned in the UK on 1/31/2000.

    PENTACHLOROTHIOANISOLE
    Metabolite of QUINTOZENE.

  3. Dave the Spammer said:

    Ginseng is food. It cannot harm you or conflict with medications,
    because it is food.

    THAT IS NOT TRUE. Quoting from:
    http://www.people.virginia.edu/~smb4v/pedpharm/v4n5.htm

    Ginseng is contraindicated in asthma, renal failure, Stage 2 or
    higher hypertension, acute inflammatory or infectious diseases,
    bronchitis and emphysema, chronic diseases of the gastrointestinal
    tract (i.e., diverticulitis, gastroesophageal reflux disease),
    heart failure, arrhythmias, edema, insomnia, anxiety, pregnancy,
    and breast-feeding. Reported adverse effects of ginseng include
    insomnia, nervousness, excitation, diarrhea, and skin disorders.

    Little is known about drug interactions with ginseng; however,
    the literature contains two case reports describing ginseng drug
    interactions. A patient previously well controlled on warfarin
    therapy experienced a loss of anticoagulant control (subtherapeutic
    INR) after the initiation of ginseng. In addition, a patient
    taking both ginseng and digoxin experienced an elevated digoxin
    level. Because objective scientific data documenting therapeutic
    benefits of ginseng are lacking, the role of ginseng as a
    legitimate therapeutic agent is neither established nor accepted
    by the medical community.

  4. "Mark Thorson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    It appears that Mark Thorson doesn't have anything new to say. He reminds me
    of the following:
    Why are the quackbusters floundering?
    The quackbuster operation in North America is floundering for a number of
    reasons.

    (1) The number one reason is that the quackbusters underestimated the
    intelligence of the North American health consumer. Those consumers don't
    trust conventional medicine, anymore. Americans can sense when they are
    being lied to.

    (2) Americans have discovered "health," and they've worked out for
    themselves that "health" and "medicine" aren't the same thing.

    (3) Americans have worked out that that expensive "health plan" is a big
    waste of money - because all it pays for is "medicine." It doesn't pay for
    "health care." Insurance companies, and the US Government have caught on -
    and are adding new billing codes (ABC Codes) to deal with reality and
    demand. The American consumer, right now, is buying "health" out of their
    discretionary income - and the total amount of that is more than half of the
    total US health dollar.

    (4) The North American Health Freedom Movement is kicking the [censored] out of
    the quackbusters whenever, and wherever, they meet on a battlefield.

    (5) The whole idea of restricting American's health care offering to drugs
    and surgery is un-American. Even conventional MDs are getting fed up with
    the idea that "nothing new should be used in medicine unless it's been
    approved by a failed MD working out of his basement in Pennsylvania."

    (6) The people of New York State are waking up to the fact that right
    there, in their midst, is a cesspool of quackbuster activity. Not only New
    York City, but Buffalo. Plans are being made. Targets are being selected.

    (7) In the end, GOOD always triumphs over EVIL. (What he means is that we
    will rediscover
    what we used to know. Learn which plants to eat to regain our lost heath).

  5. "Dave" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:



    [...]

    Quoted message said:

    Ginseng is food. It cannot harm you or conflict with medications, because


    it

    Quoted message said:

    is food.

    Please be a little more circumspect with your claims. Ginseng
    is contraindicated during pregnancy.

    Quoted message said:

    It will not conflict with any other supplements. Ginseng will make
    other supplements and medications more effective.

    Do you have any evidence for those shonky claims?

    [snip spammish drivel]

  6. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Dave said:

    Health is the equilibrium of the body, mind and soul. Ginseng is a natural
    food that helps to create this equilibrium and eliminates disturbances in
    normal bodily functions. It is an adaptogen and so is able to adjust its
    effects based on the needs of the individual.

    An "adaptogen"? What the hell is that?

    Quoted message said:

    This unique harmonizing effect
    is based on the interplay of the ginsenosides (active agents of ginseng
    root).
    Every day we are bombarded with a multitude of stresses and performance
    demands. It is getting more difficult to eat properly, our drinking water is
    not pure, our air carries impurities, we may not exercise enough and we may
    not get enough rest. If we don't do something to improve our ability to
    handle these pressures, we will almost certainly end up with some unwanted
    ailments.

    And, of course, the best way to deal with these pressures is to start
    eating right and to exercise, not to try to compensate with some herb
    extract or other.

    Quoted message said:

    The effects of ginseng are subtle, as with all natural things. Korean Panax
    Ginseng is known as "the king of herbs" because it is an adaptogen that
    returns us to a state of balance. It adjusts what we need in a way such as a
    Reiki practitioner is lead to the area in need of help.

    Ginseng is food. It cannot harm you or conflict with medications, because it
    is food.

    [censored]. It's long been known that certain foods can interfere with
    certain medications or that eating certain foods while taking certain
    medications can be harmful, because the foods contain substances that
    interact with the medications. For instance, if you're taking an
    monoamine oxidase inhibitor, you should avoid foods containing tyramine,
    such as bean curd, liver, sauerkraut, tap beer, Chianti wine, or aged
    cheese, as there can be bad reactions.

    Indeed, even alternative medicine practitioners advise against taking
    ginseng, or at least consulting your doctor before taking it, if you are
    on a monoamine oxidase inhibitor, as does the NIH:

    http://www.herbalremedies.com/monamoxinmao.html
    http://www.biopark.org/peru/maoi-1.html
    http://www.cc.nih.gov/ccc/patient_education/drug_nutrient/maoi1.pdf

    Your ginseng CAN interfere with medications, and taking ginseng can
    sometimes result in headaches, tremulousness, and other symptoms.

    And that's just ONE example. Ginseng preparations have also been
    reported to potentiate the effect of the blood thinner coumadin,
    resulting in the potential for serious bleeding.

    Quoted message said:

    It will not conflict with any other supplements. Ginseng will make
    other supplements and medications more effective. When you take our ginseng
    its nutritional profile elimninates the need for most other supplements.

    [censored].

    Quoted message said:

    Most of us takes a shower on a regular basis. We do this because it removes
    accumulated dirt and grime that is unheathy for us to carry around on us. We
    feel better after a shower. Well, ginseng is an internal shower. It does the
    same job (and more) and it too will make us feel better.

    Evidence for these assertions? If ginseng is an "internal shower," what
    exactly is it "cleansing" from the body?

    --
    Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
    |
    |"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
    | inconvenience me with questions?"

  7. One can't help but notice that you did not address a single one of
    Mark's substantive criticisms of your irresponsible and inaccurate claim
    that ginseng does not interact with medications!

    In fact, it does. It is contraindicated if you are taking monoamine
    oxidase inhibitors and should be taken with caution if you are taking
    the blood thinner coumadin, as it can result in excessive "thinning" of
    the blood and the potential for bleeding.

    Answer the substantive criticisms. Ranting about insurance companies and
    "quackbusters" is such a transparent ruse to avoid having to defend your
    irresponsible statements--because you can't. You don't have the evidence.

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Dave said:

    "Mark Thorson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    It appears that Mark Thorson doesn't have anything new to say. He reminds me
    of the following:
    Why are the quackbusters floundering?
    The quackbuster operation in North America is floundering for a number of
    reasons.

    (1) The number one reason is that the quackbusters underestimated the
    intelligence of the North American health consumer. Those consumers don't
    trust conventional medicine, anymore. Americans can sense when they are
    being lied to.

    (2) Americans have discovered "health," and they've worked out for
    themselves that "health" and "medicine" aren't the same thing.

    (3) Americans have worked out that that expensive "health plan" is a big
    waste of money - because all it pays for is "medicine." It doesn't pay for
    "health care." Insurance companies, and the US Government have caught on -
    and are adding new billing codes (ABC Codes) to deal with reality and
    demand. The American consumer, right now, is buying "health" out of their
    discretionary income - and the total amount of that is more than half of the
    total US health dollar.

    (4) The North American Health Freedom Movement is kicking the [censored] out of
    the quackbusters whenever, and wherever, they meet on a battlefield.

    (5) The whole idea of restricting American's health care offering to drugs
    and surgery is un-American. Even conventional MDs are getting fed up with
    the idea that "nothing new should be used in medicine unless it's been
    approved by a failed MD working out of his basement in Pennsylvania."

    (6) The people of New York State are waking up to the fact that right
    there, in their midst, is a cesspool of quackbuster activity. Not only New
    York City, but Buffalo. Plans are being made. Targets are being selected.

    (7) In the end, GOOD always triumphs over EVIL. (What he means is that we
    will rediscover
    what we used to know. Learn which plants to eat to regain our lost heath).

    --
    Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
    |
    |"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
    | inconvenience me with questions?"

  8. "Orac" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Dave said:

    Health is the equilibrium of the body, mind and soul. Ginseng is a


    natural

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    food that helps to create this equilibrium and eliminates disturbances


    in

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    normal bodily functions. It is an adaptogen and so is able to adjust its
    effects based on the needs of the individual.

    An "adaptogen"? What the hell is that?

    Get an encylopedia and fix your ignorance.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    This unique harmonizing effect
    is based on the interplay of the ginsenosides (active agents of ginseng
    root).
    Every day we are bombarded with a multitude of stresses and performance
    demands. It is getting more difficult to eat properly, our drinking


    water is

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    not pure, our air carries impurities, we may not exercise enough and we


    may

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    not get enough rest. If we don't do something to improve our ability to
    handle these pressures, we will almost certainly end up with some


    unwanted

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    ailments.

    And, of course, the best way to deal with these pressures is to start
    eating right and to exercise, not to try to compensate with some herb
    extract or other.

    Quoted message said:

    The effects of ginseng are subtle, as with all natural things. Korean


    Panax

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Ginseng is known as "the king of herbs" because it is an adaptogen that
    returns us to a state of balance. It adjusts what we need in a way such


    as a

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Reiki practitioner is lead to the area in need of help.

    Ginseng is food. It cannot harm you or conflict with medications,


    because it

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    is food.

    [censored]. It's long been known that certain foods can interfere with
    certain medications or that eating certain foods while taking certain
    medications can be harmful, because the foods contain substances that
    interact with the medications. For instance, if you're taking an
    monoamine oxidase inhibitor, you should avoid foods containing tyramine,
    such as bean curd, liver, sauerkraut, tap beer, Chianti wine, or aged
    cheese, as there can be bad reactions.

    Quoted message said:

    Indeed, even alternative medicine practitioners advise against taking
    ginseng, or at least consulting your doctor before taking it, if you are
    on a monoamine oxidase inhibitor, as does the NIH:

    http://www.herbalremedies.com/monamoxinmao.html
    http://www.biopark.org/peru/maoi-1.html
    http://www.cc.nih.gov/ccc/patient_education/drug_nutrient/maoi1.pdf

    Your ginseng CAN interfere with medications, and taking ginseng can
    sometimes result in headaches, tremulousness, and other symptoms.

    Yes, and pains and diahrea. Its called a healing crisis. The reason you or
    people who know about medicine don't know what that is would be because
    it occurs as a part of the healing process.

    Quoted message said:

    And that's just ONE example. Ginseng preparations have also been
    reported to potentiate the effect of the blood thinner coumadin,
    resulting in the potential for serious bleeding

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    It will not conflict with any other supplements. Ginseng will make
    other supplements and medications more effective. When you take our


    ginseng

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    its nutritional profile elimninates the need for most other supplements.

    [censored].

    Obvious scientific observation. Narrow minded people cover up their
    ignorance
    by saying such things rather than by simply saying they haven't a clue.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Most of us takes a shower on a regular basis. We do this because it


    removes

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    accumulated dirt and grime that is unheathy for us to carry around on


    us. We

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    feel better after a shower. Well, ginseng is an internal shower. It does


    the

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    same job (and more) and it too will make us feel better.

    Evidence for these assertions? If ginseng is an "internal shower," what
    exactly is it "cleansing" from the body?

    --
    Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
    |
    |"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
    | inconvenience me with questions?"

  9. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Most of us takes a shower on a regular basis.

    Med(S)tools and Lowlife Dave take Golden Showers....together.

    Quoted message said:

    We do this because it removes

    Quoted message said:

    accumulated dirt and grime that is unheathy for us to carry around on us.


    We

    Quoted message said:

    feel better after a shower. Well, ginseng is an internal shower. It does


    the

    Quoted message said:

    same job (and more) and it too will make us feel better.

    Evidence for these assertions? If ginseng is an "internal shower," what
    exactly is it "cleansing" from the body?

    It cleanses one's wallet of one of the dirtiest commodities around, money.

    Quoted message said:

    --
    Orac

  10. Ginseng Bing Han Medical Factory Quintozene
    3/13/2001
    (Powdered) 81, Cherng Gong Street *Pentachlorobenzene
    211-9414883-5 Ell Jeun Village, Taiwan *Tetrachloroaniline
    I290230/120531 FEI# 3003196781 *Hexachlorobenzene
    54F[]R12 - SEA *BHC
    Shipper: Bing Han (Canada) *Pentachloroaniline
    Enterprises. Ltd. *Tecnazene
    210-7911 Alderbridge Way *Pentachlorothioanisole
    Richmond B.C., Canada
    FEI# 3003196782

    QUINTOZENE
    Fungicidal treatment for control of a garden rot that affects many
    plants during cool, wet months.
    It has been widely used to protect ginseng crops, as
    documented here:
    http://www.itmonline.org/arts/quintozene.htm
    EPA considers QUINTOZENE to be a possible human carcinogen
    (cancer-causing agent).

    PENTACHLOROBENZENE
    Breakdown product of QUINTOZENE.
    The substance may have effects on the liver and kidneys,
    resulting in tissue lesions. Animal tests show that this
    substance possibly causes toxic effects upon human
    reproduction.

    TETRACHLOROANILINE
    Breakdown product of TECNAZENE.

    BHC (BENZENE HEXACHLORIDE)
    Probable human carcinogen. Toxic. Irritant.
    Hazardous decomposition product.

    PENTACHLOROANILINE
    Metabolite of QUINTOZENE.

    TECNAZENE
    Fungicide. Banned in the UK on 1/31/2000,
    as documented here:
    http://www.eclipsescientific.co.uk/newsclipse/tecnazene.htm

    PENTACHLOROTHIOANISOLE
    Metabolite of QUINTOZENE.

  11. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Dave said:

    "Orac" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Dave said:

    Health is the equilibrium of the body, mind and soul. Ginseng is a


    natural

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    food that helps to create this equilibrium and eliminates disturbances


    in

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    normal bodily functions. It is an adaptogen and so is able to adjust its
    effects based on the needs of the individual.

    An "adaptogen"? What the hell is that?

    Get an encylopedia and fix your ignorance.

    I already have one, and it's not in it.

    So I can only assume it's yet another hand-waving [censored] term used to
    impress the gullible and try to get them to buy more ginseng.

    [Snip]]

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Ginseng is food. It cannot harm you or conflict with medications,


    because it

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    is food.

    [censored]. It's long been known that certain foods can interfere with
    certain medications or that eating certain foods while taking certain
    medications can be harmful, because the foods contain substances that
    interact with the medications. For instance, if you're taking an
    monoamine oxidase inhibitor, you should avoid foods containing tyramine,
    such as bean curd, liver, sauerkraut, tap beer, Chianti wine, or aged
    cheese, as there can be bad reactions.

    Quoted message said:

    Indeed, even alternative medicine practitioners advise against taking
    ginseng, or at least consulting your doctor before taking it, if you are
    on a monoamine oxidase inhibitor, as does the NIH:

    http://www.herbalremedies.com/monamoxinmao.html
    http://www.biopark.org/peru/maoi-1.html
    http://www.cc.nih.gov/ccc/patient_education/drug_nutrient/maoi1.pdf

    Your ginseng CAN interfere with medications, and taking ginseng can
    sometimes result in headaches, tremulousness, and other symptoms.

    Yes, and pains and diahrea.

    Nope. I never said anything about diarrhea.

    Quoted message said:

    Its called a healing crisis.

    No it's not. It's called a bad interaction with a medication. It has
    nothing to do with "healing."

    Quoted message said:

    The reason you or
    people who know about medicine don't know what that is would be because
    it occurs as a part of the healing process.

    I know far more about the healing process than you ever will.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    And that's just ONE example. Ginseng preparations have also been
    reported to potentiate the effect of the blood thinner coumadin,
    resulting in the potential for serious bleeding

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    It will not conflict with any other supplements. Ginseng will make
    other supplements and medications more effective. When you take our


    ginseng

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    its nutritional profile elimninates the need for most other supplements.

    [censored].

    Obvious scientific observation.

    No, an observation that is made when I have finally lost my patience and
    become tired of scrupulously being far more polite than you and your MLM
    scamming ilk deserve.

    Quoted message said:

    Narrow minded people cover up their
    ignorance
    by saying such things rather than by simply saying they haven't a clue.

    And people whose "knowledge" is based on belief rather than science,
    evidence, and reason (like you) never admit they haven't a clue. But
    each successive post by you makes it more and more painfully obvious
    that you indeed don't have a clue.

    [Snip]

    --
    Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
    |
    |"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
    | inconvenience me with questions?"

  12. In article <[email hidden]>,

    (Ilsa9) said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Most of us takes a shower on a regular basis.

    Med(S)tools and Lowlife Dave take Golden Showers....together.

    Quoted message said:

    We do this because it removes

    Quoted message said:

    accumulated dirt and grime that is unheathy for us to carry around on us.


    We

    Quoted message said:

    feel better after a shower. Well, ginseng is an internal shower. It does


    the

    Quoted message said:

    same job (and more) and it too will make us feel better.

    Evidence for these assertions? If ginseng is an "internal shower," what
    exactly is it "cleansing" from the body?

    It cleanses one's wallet of one of the dirtiest commodities around, money.

    No doubt, given Dave's MLM scamming and spamming ways.

    --
    Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
    |
    |"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
    | inconvenience me with questions?"

  13. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Dave said:


    "Mark Thorson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    It appears that Mark Thorson doesn't have anything new to say. He reminds me
    of the following:
    Why are the quackbusters floundering?
    The quackbuster operation in North America is floundering for a number of
    reasons.

    Quoting that sleazebag paid shill Bolen does nothing to bolster your
    credibility, Spammin' Dave.

    <Bolen quotations snipped>

    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
    were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

  14. Orac said:

    Evidence for these assertions? If ginseng is an "internal shower," what
    exactly is it "cleansing" from the body?

    Toxins, of course!

    --
    Peter Bowditch
    The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
    The Green Light http://www.ratbags.com/greenlight
    To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com

  15. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Peter Bowditch said:
    Orac said:

    Evidence for these assertions? If ginseng is an "internal shower," what
    exactly is it "cleansing" from the body?

    Toxins, of course!

    Of course, but I was trying to get him to tell me WHICH SPECIFIC toxins.
    ;-)

    --
    Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
    |
    |"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
    | inconvenience me with questions?"

  16. In article <[email hidden]>,

    (David Wright) said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Dave said:


    "Mark Thorson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    It appears that Mark Thorson doesn't have anything new to say. He reminds me
    of the following:
    Why are the quackbusters floundering?
    The quackbuster operation in North America is floundering for a number of
    reasons.

    Quoting that sleazebag paid shill Bolen does nothing to bolster your
    credibility, Spammin' Dave.

    Funny how they almost always fall back on Bolen when finally cornered
    with facts and arguments they can't refute, isn't it?

    --
    Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
    |
    |"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
    | inconvenience me with questions?"

  17. Orac said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Peter Bowditch said:
    Orac said:

    Evidence for these assertions? If ginseng is an "internal shower," what
    exactly is it "cleansing" from the body?

    Toxins, of course!

    Of course, but I was trying to get him to tell me WHICH SPECIFIC toxins.
    ;-)

    I'm beginning to think that neither of us is young enough to have the
    time to wait for an answer.

    --
    Peter Bowditch
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    The Green Light http://www.ratbags.com/greenlight
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  18. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: A Path to Health
    From: Peter Bowditch [email hidden]
    Date: 9/28/2003 2:49 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    Orac said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Peter Bowditch said:

    Orac <[email hidden]> wrote:

    >Evidence for these assertions? If ginseng is an "internal shower," what
    >exactly is it "cleansing" from the body?

    Toxins, of course!

    Of course, but I was trying to get him to tell me WHICH SPECIFIC toxins.
    ;-)

    I'm beginning to think that neither of us is young enough to have the
    time to wait for an answer.

    http://toxnet.nlm.nih.gov/

  19. (Jan) said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: A Path to Health
    From: Peter Bowditch [email hidden]
    Date: 9/28/2003 2:49 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    Orac said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,
    Peter Bowditch <[email hidden]> wrote:

    > Orac <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >
    > >Evidence for these assertions? If ginseng is an "internal shower," what
    > >exactly is it "cleansing" from the body?
    >
    > Toxins, of course!

    Of course, but I was trying to get him to tell me WHICH SPECIFIC toxins.
    ;-)

    I'm beginning to think that neither of us is young enough to have the
    time to wait for an answer.

    http://toxnet.nlm.nih.gov/

    There are such things as toxic chemicals. So what?

    Which SPECIFIC toxins are removed by a ginseng internal shower? PCBs?
    The cyanide from apricot seeds? ...

    --
    Peter Bowditch
    The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
    The Green Light http://www.ratbags.com/greenlight
    To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com

  20. "Orac" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    (David Wright) said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Dave said:


    "Mark Thorson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    It appears that Mark Thorson doesn't have anything new to say. He


    reminds me

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    of the following:
    Why are the quackbusters floundering?
    The quackbuster operation in North America is floundering for a number


    of

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    reasons.

    Quoting that sleazebag paid shill Bolen does nothing to bolster your
    credibility, Spammin' Dave.

    Funny how they almost always fall back on Bolen when finally cornered
    with facts and arguments they can't refute, isn't it?

    You resent Bolen because he absolutely has the number of Quackbusters
    and once
    he proves how foolish your assertions are, you won't have anyplace left
    to go. You
    and the rest who proclaim silliness will become "dead enders". Sad.

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