A Parting Word



Edward Dolan said:
"nget" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
[...]
Btw did anybody notice the
> front door to this place is wide open.Anyone can just come right in the
> house and **** on the floor if they want to.But its all about freedom of
> speech right?
>
>
> --
> nget

Right you are Nget. That is what Ed Gin does every time he posts to this
group, but with him it has nothing to do with freedom of speech. It has to
do with abuse of free speech. He is nothing but a criminal and he ***** on
this group every time he posts. Care to find me a single post of his which
is otherwise?

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
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I was not really referring to Gins freedom of speech,but rather yours and mine.There has always been a price to pay for those who cherish freedom.I know at this time there are those who are willing to pay a much higher price than you and I were asked.Suck it up baby.
 
Ed,

Taking down the newsgroup would be a daunting and an implausible task
and it wouldn't be in anyone's best interest. When not monopolized by
a troll like Ed Gin, the newsgroup serves a worthwhile purpose. Now,
purging it of a troll like Ed Gin is entirely another matter. That's
an objective worth pursuing and achieving. The unfortunate thing
though, as you now realize, with the vociferous exchange of rhetoric
required, you and I have been mistaken for trolls ourselves, but that
is the risk one faces when engaging a troll. The readership
understandably gets upset with both sides of the opposition when a
flame war erupts and the newsgroup degenerates into an arena for a
pissing match. This very scenario is played out on a daily basis in
most of the newsgroups in cyberspace. It is part and parcel of the
design, meaning an unmoderated public forum with a multitude of
participants with differing opinions who inevitably butt heads. As
naturally happens, more members enter into the ongoing battle and
things are totally up for grabs as toes are stepped on and alliances
are forged. This very thing happened between nget and me. In the heat
of battle, we misunderstood each other intentions, over-reacted, sniped
at one another and buy the time I tried to unravel things and make
peace with the guy; he was hearing none of it. I had hoped that there
would be no hard feelings. I have nothing against him, but apparently
he just doesn't feel the same ... a shame really, but there isn't
anything I can do about it. I posted this before in another form, but
for the benefit of the readership, here is my take on forums. I think
you will find it to be a fairly accurate description of a process of
evolution that I like to refer to as ... an insight into the life and
phases of a mailing list ... A Perspective:

Like it or not, mailing lists commonly undergo an evolutionary process
regardless of whether they are moderated forums forums or unmoderated
newsgroups. The natural life cycle of a mailing list, with its various
phases, might be summed best as follows:

1. Declaration of Enthusiasm ... Subscribers introduce themselves
and gush over how wonderful it is to have encountered kindred spirits.

2. Birth of Evangelism ... Participants moan about how the mailing
list consists of far too few members and brainstorming ensues to
initiate recruitment strategies.

3. Expansion of Community ... An ever increasing number of
interested parties subscribe and contribute to the mailing list.
Lengthy threads develop (some more relevant than others).

4. Emergence of Camaraderie ... Information and advice is exchanged
(some empirically founded ... some just anecdotal nonsense).
Friendships are forged. Members rib one another, but all in good
fun. New subscribers are welcomed and veterans are patient with
newbies. Both newcomers and old-timers alike are comfortable asking
questions, providing answers, and sharing experiences.

5. Ascent of Disenchantment ... The volume of postings increases
dramatically. Not all threads are of interest to all participants.
Some participants pitch a ***** about signal-to-noise ratio,
off-topic
threads, me too posts, forwarding of private emails, and other
violations of mailing list netiquette. Member #1 threatens to
unsubscribe if things don't change for the better. Member #2 aligns
himself with Member #1. Member #3 disagrees with both Members #1 and
#2. Member #4 suggests that Members #1, #2, and #3 should lighten
up. Flame wars erupt and adversaries emerge. Bandwidth is sacrificed
as an abundance of postings proliferate in an effort to resolve
differences and restore some semblance of order. During this
particular phase, many a delete key gets more than its share of
abuse.

6. Stagnancy of Growth ... The purists castigate members who ask
an old question or respond humorously to a serious post. Newcomers
are rebuffed and discouraged. Traffic volume subsides considerably
and is generally confined to minor topics. Many relevant issues are
communicated via private emails. Some members turn in their
membership cards in a huff and the remaining members continue to
participate in phases #4 and/or #5 above.

7. Someone like me pounds away at the keyboard composing a posting
such as this one in an effort to stir the juices of those members who
find themselves entrenched in the quagmire of phase #4 and/or #5
above ;-) Well, at least this posting should prove to be a thought
provoking departure from the norm and hopefully sheds some light on
the nature of the beast we have come to love and hate ... the mailing
list.

Jim McNamara

P.S. I will likely mak this a seaprate (new topic) post as wel
 
"nget" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Edward Dolan Wrote:
>> "nget" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>> [...]
>> Btw did anybody notice the
>> > front door to this place is wide open.Anyone can just come right in
>> the
>> > house and **** on the floor if they want to.But its all about freedom
>> of
>> > speech right?
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > nget
>>
>> Right you are Nget. That is what Ed Gin does every time he posts to
>> this
>> group, but with him it has nothing to do with freedom of speech. It has
>> to
>> do with abuse of free speech. He is nothing but a criminal and he *****
>> on
>> this group every time he posts. Care to find me a single post of his
>> which
>> is otherwise?
>>
>> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
>
> I was not really referring to Gins freedom of speech,but rather yours
> and mine.There has always been a price to pay for those who cherish
> freedom.I know at this time there are those who are willing to pay a
> much higher price than you and I were asked.Suck it up baby.

The fact remains that Ed Gin is a scoundrel and no one has ever done what he
has done on ARBR. Not everything should be sucked up.

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
 
Edward Dolan said:
"nget" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Edward Dolan Wrote:
>> "nget" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>> [...]
>> Btw did anybody notice the
>> > front door to this place is wide open.Anyone can just come right in
>> the
>> > house and **** on the floor if they want to.But its all about freedom
>> of
>> > speech right?
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > nget
>>
>> Right you are Nget. That is what Ed Gin does every time he posts to
>> this
>> group, but with him it has nothing to do with freedom of speech. It has
>> to
>> do with abuse of free speech. He is nothing but a criminal and he *****
>> on
>> this group every time he posts. Care to find me a single post of his
>> which
>> is otherwise?
>>
>> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
>
> I was not really referring to Gins freedom of speech,but rather yours
> and mine.There has always been a price to pay for those who cherish
> freedom.I know at this time there are those who are willing to pay a
> much higher price than you and I were asked.Suck it up baby.

The fact remains that Ed Gin is a scoundrel and no one has ever done what he
has done on ARBR. Not everything should be sucked up.

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
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Well Ed I prefer to be happy and this is how I plan on doing just that.I got a trike...I ride my trike...
 
nget wrote:
<snip>
> Well Ed I prefer to be happy and this is how I plan on doing just
> that.I got a trike...I ride my trike...
>
>
> --
> nget

What kind of trike, if you don't mind my inquisitiveness?

Dan
 
Dan B. wrote:

> nget wrote:
> <snip>
>
>>Well Ed I prefer to be happy and this is how I plan on doing just
>>that.I got a trike...I ride my trike...
>>
>>
>>--
>>nget
>
>
> What kind of trike, if you don't mind my inquisitiveness?

One with three wheels! ;)

--
Tom Sherman - Earth
 
Tom Sherman wrote:
> Dan B. wrote:
>
> > nget wrote:
> > <snip>
> >
> >>Well Ed I prefer to be happy and this is how I plan on doing just
> >>that.I got a trike...I ride my trike...
> >>
> >>
> >>--
> >>nget
> >
> >
> > What kind of trike, if you don't mind my inquisitiveness?
>
> One with three wheels! ;)
>
> --
> Tom Sherman - Earth


Three whole wheels? You mean, like a Big Wheel for adults? Ooooo...
;)

Dan
 
Dan B. wrote:

>
> Three whole wheels? You mean, like a Big Wheel for adults? Ooooo...
> ;)
>
> Dan

Of course, three partial wheels probably wouldn't do much good, come to
think of it...

Dan
 
Dan B. wrote:

> Tom Sherman wrote:
>
>>Dan B. wrote:
>>
>>
>>>nget wrote:
>>><snip>
>>>
>>>>Well Ed I prefer to be happy and this is how I plan on doing just
>>>>that.I got a trike...I ride my trike...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>nget
>>>
>>>
>>>What kind of trike, if you don't mind my inquisitiveness?
>>
>>One with three wheels! ;)
>>
>>--
>>Tom Sherman - Earth
>
>
>
> Three whole wheels? You mean, like a Big Wheel for adults? Ooooo...
> ;)

Picture of an adult size “bigwheel”:
<http://deadbabybikes.org/bikes/300x300k/bigwheel.jpg>.

Note: Kitty not included.

--
Tom Sherman - Earth
 
Tom Sherman wrote:

>
> Picture of an adult size "bigwheel":
> <http://deadbabybikes.org/bikes/300x300k/bigwheel.jpg>.
>
> Note: Kitty not included.
>
> --
> Tom Sherman - Earth

(Aside: The Apache web server pitched me a 403 Forbidden when
attempting to hit that link directly...I had to start at the
http://deadbabybikes.org/bikes/ level and work my way down.)

That's kinda fun...your work?

Dan
 
Dan B. wrote:

> Tom Sherman wrote:
>
>
>>Picture of an adult size "bigwheel":
>><http://deadbabybikes.org/bikes/300x300k/bigwheel.jpg>.
>>
>>Note: Kitty not included.
>>
>>--
>>Tom Sherman - Earth
>
>
> (Aside: The Apache web server pitched me a 403 Forbidden when
> attempting to hit that link directly...I had to start at the
> http://deadbabybikes.org/bikes/ level and work my way down.)
>
> That's kinda fun...your work?

No. It is the creation of a rec.bicycles.tech regular who is also a
professional machinist.

I understand the hard part is teaching the cat to pedal. ;)

--
Tom Sherman - Earth
 
Tom Sherman wrote:
> Dan B. wrote:
>
> > Tom Sherman wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Picture of an adult size "bigwheel":
> >><http://deadbabybikes.org/bikes/300x300k/bigwheel.jpg>.
> >>
> >>Note: Kitty not included.
> >>
> >>--
> >>Tom Sherman - Earth
> >
> >
> > (Aside: The Apache web server pitched me a 403 Forbidden when
> > attempting to hit that link directly...I had to start at the
> > http://deadbabybikes.org/bikes/ level and work my way down.)
> >
> > That's kinda fun...your work?
>
> No. It is the creation of a rec.bicycles.tech regular who is also a
> professional machinist.
>
> I understand the hard part is teaching the cat to pedal. ;)
>
> --
> Tom Sherman - Earth

I would imagine teaching the cat how to draft would also be a
challenge. ;)

Dan
 
Dan B. wrote:

> Tom Sherman wrote:
>
>>Dan B. wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Tom Sherman wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Picture of an adult size "bigwheel":
>>>><http://deadbabybikes.org/bikes/300x300k/bigwheel.jpg>.
>>>>
>>>>Note: Kitty not included.
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>Tom Sherman - Earth
>>>
>>>
>>>(Aside: The Apache web server pitched me a 403 Forbidden when
>>>attempting to hit that link directly...I had to start at the
>>>http://deadbabybikes.org/bikes/ level and work my way down.)
>>>
>>>That's kinda fun...your work?
>>
>>No. It is the creation of a rec.bicycles.tech regular who is also a
>>professional machinist.
>>
>>I understand the hard part is teaching the cat to pedal. ;)
>>
>>--
>>Tom Sherman - Earth
>
>
> I would imagine teaching the cat how to draft would also be a
> challenge. ;)

Let's not go there! ;)

--
Tom Sherman - Earth
 
Tom Sherman wrote:
> Dan B. wrote:
>
> > Tom Sherman wrote:
> >
> >>Dan B. wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Tom Sherman wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Picture of an adult size "bigwheel":
> >>>><http://deadbabybikes.org/bikes/300x300k/bigwheel.jpg>.
> >>>>
> >>>>Note: Kitty not included.
> >>>>
> >>>>--
> >>>>Tom Sherman - Earth
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>(Aside: The Apache web server pitched me a 403 Forbidden when
> >>>attempting to hit that link directly...I had to start at the
> >>>http://deadbabybikes.org/bikes/ level and work my way down.)
> >>>
> >>>That's kinda fun...your work?
> >>
> >>No. It is the creation of a rec.bicycles.tech regular who is also a
> >>professional machinist.
> >>
> >>I understand the hard part is teaching the cat to pedal. ;)
> >>
> >>--
> >>Tom Sherman - Earth
> >
> >
> > I would imagine teaching the cat how to draft would also be a
> > challenge. ;)
>
> Let's not go there! ;)
>
> --
> Tom Sherman - Earth

Sorry...couldn't resist. :)

Dan
 
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Ed,
>
> Taking down the newsgroup would be a daunting and an implausible task
> and it wouldn't be in anyone's best interest. When not monopolized by
> a troll like Ed Gin, the newsgroup serves a worthwhile purpose. Now,
> purging it of a troll like Ed Gin is entirely another matter. That's
> an objective worth pursuing and achieving. The unfortunate thing
> though, as you now realize, with the vociferous exchange of rhetoric
> required, you and I have been mistaken for trolls ourselves, but that
> is the risk one faces when engaging a troll. The readership
> understandably gets upset with both sides of the opposition when a
> flame war erupts and the newsgroup degenerates into an arena for a
> pissing match. This very scenario is played out on a daily basis in
> most of the newsgroups in cyberspace. ...

Jim, you are undoubtedly right in what you say above. But I have got to let
off some steam or I will explode.

I will shortly be leaving ARBR and Usenet forever as Ed Gin has shown me
what newsgroups are good for - nothing! However, if others find them
entertaining or amusing, then so be it. Tom Sherman can continue with his
discourses on tire sizes and others can weigh in on their various follies. I
will be well rid of the lot of them.

A few members I will miss, but the vast majority here on ARBR are blockheads
and numskulls who never know what they are talking about no matter how
trivial the subject. To become submerged in a newsgroup is to enter an
asylum for the mentally deranged. Before you know it, you find that you are
going as nuts as all the other inmates. I am getting out of this booby hatch
known as ARBR before it is too late.

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
 
Edward Dolan said:
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Ed,
>
> Taking down the newsgroup would be a daunting and an implausible task
> and it wouldn't be in anyone's best interest. When not monopolized by
> a troll like Ed Gin, the newsgroup serves a worthwhile purpose. Now,
> purging it of a troll like Ed Gin is entirely another matter. That's
> an objective worth pursuing and achieving. The unfortunate thing
> though, as you now realize, with the vociferous exchange of rhetoric
> required, you and I have been mistaken for trolls ourselves, but that
> is the risk one faces when engaging a troll. The readership
> understandably gets upset with both sides of the opposition when a
> flame war erupts and the newsgroup degenerates into an arena for a
> pissing match. This very scenario is played out on a daily basis in
> most of the newsgroups in cyberspace. ...

Jim, you are undoubtedly right in what you say above. But I have got to let
off some steam or I will explode.

I will shortly be leaving ARBR and Usenet forever as Ed Gin has shown me
what newsgroups are good for - nothing! However, if others find them
entertaining or amusing, then so be it. Tom Sherman can continue with his
discourses on tire sizes and others can weigh in on their various follies. I
will be well rid of the lot of them.

A few members I will miss, but the vast majority here on ARBR are blockheads
and numskulls who never know what they are talking about no matter how
trivial the subject. To become submerged in a newsgroup is to enter an
asylum for the mentally deranged. Before you know it, you find that you are
going as nuts as all the other inmates. I am getting out of this booby hatch
known as ARBR before it is too late.

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
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How come it is always the guy with the addiction that is the last to know.Your suffering from ARBR withdrawal right now.It's true what you said,Iwas over at the Mount St. Helen cam and I do believe you are venting more than the volcano.
 
"nget" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Edward Dolan Wrote:
>> <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>> > Ed,
>> >
>> > Taking down the newsgroup would be a daunting and an implausible
>> task
>> > and it wouldn't be in anyone's best interest. When not monopolized
>> by
>> > a troll like Ed Gin, the newsgroup serves a worthwhile purpose.
>> Now,
>> > purging it of a troll like Ed Gin is entirely another matter.
>> That's
>> > an objective worth pursuing and achieving. The unfortunate thing
>> > though, as you now realize, with the vociferous exchange of rhetoric
>> > required, you and I have been mistaken for trolls ourselves, but
>> that
>> > is the risk one faces when engaging a troll. The readership
>> > understandably gets upset with both sides of the opposition when a
>> > flame war erupts and the newsgroup degenerates into an arena for a
>> > pissing match. This very scenario is played out on a daily basis in
>> > most of the newsgroups in cyberspace. ...
>>
>> Jim, you are undoubtedly right in what you say above. But I have got to
>> let
>> off some steam or I will explode.
>>
>> I will shortly be leaving ARBR and Usenet forever as Ed Gin has shown
>> me
>> what newsgroups are good for - nothing! However, if others find them
>> entertaining or amusing, then so be it. Tom Sherman can continue with
>> his
>> discourses on tire sizes and others can weigh in on their various
>> follies. I
>> will be well rid of the lot of them.
>>
>> A few members I will miss, but the vast majority here on ARBR are
>> blockheads
>> and numskulls who never know what they are talking about no matter how
>> trivial the subject. To become submerged in a newsgroup is to enter an
>> asylum for the mentally deranged. Before you know it, you find that you
>> are
>> going as nuts as all the other inmates. I am getting out of this booby
>> hatch
>> known as ARBR before it is too late.
>>
>> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
>
> How come it is always the guy with the addiction that is the last to
> know. Your suffering from ARBR withdrawal right now. It's true what you
> said, I was over at the Mount St. Helen cam and I do believe you are
> venting more than the volcano.

OK, Nget, you are right of course. But this criminal Ed Gin is only going to
keep coming back and doing to others what he has done to Jim and me. Jim has
more patience than I do. But frankly I do not want to belong to a group
where this sort of criminal behavior as exemplified by Ed Gin passes without
much objection by the other members of the group. Ed Gin belongs in an
institution of confinement of course, but even Tom Sherman does not object
to what is going on here. You need to ask yourself if you really want to
belong to a group where criminals can do their thing. They say you are known
by the company you keep.

By the way, there is some asshole over on aus.bicycles that is doing the
same thing as Ed Gin. I have also noticed the same phenomenon on several
other newsgroups. Therefore I conclude that all newsgroups are for idiots
and morons. Moderated forums are the only way to go.

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
 
Subject: Re: A Parting Word
Newsgroup: alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent
=> Edward Dolan <= wrote:

>OK, Nget, you are right of course. But this criminal Ed Gin is only going to
>keep coming back and doing to others what he has done to Jim and me. Jim has
>more patience than I do. But frankly I do not want to belong to a group
>where this sort of criminal behavior as exemplified by Ed Gin passes without
>much objection by the other members of the group. Ed Gin belongs in an
>institution of confinement of course, but even Tom Sherman does not object
>to what is going on here. You need to ask yourself if you really want to
>belong to a group where criminals can do their thing. They say you are known
>by the company you keep.
>
>By the way, there is some asshole over on aus.bicycles that is doing the
>same thing as Ed Gin. I have also noticed the same phenomenon on several
>other newsgroups. Therefore I conclude that all newsgroups are for idiots
>and morons. Moderated forums are the only way to go.


Then quit beating a dead horse and leave already.

If you would quit posting and just lurk for a while, you'll quickly find your
name not being mentioned.

You are not going anywhere. I'll bet ya $100 you can't quit posting to ARBR.





--

-Graham

Remove the snails to email
 
Edward Dolan said:
"nget" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Edward Dolan Wrote:
>> <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>> > Ed,
>> >
>> > Taking down the newsgroup would be a daunting and an implausible
>> task
>> > and it wouldn't be in anyone's best interest. When not monopolized
>> by
>> > a troll like Ed Gin, the newsgroup serves a worthwhile purpose.
>> Now,
>> > purging it of a troll like Ed Gin is entirely another matter.
>> That's
>> > an objective worth pursuing and achieving. The unfortunate thing
>> > though, as you now realize, with the vociferous exchange of rhetoric
>> > required, you and I have been mistaken for trolls ourselves, but
>> that
>> > is the risk one faces when engaging a troll. The readership
>> > understandably gets upset with both sides of the opposition when a
>> > flame war erupts and the newsgroup degenerates into an arena for a
>> > pissing match. This very scenario is played out on a daily basis in
>> > most of the newsgroups in cyberspace. ...
>>
>> Jim, you are undoubtedly right in what you say above. But I have got to
>> let
>> off some steam or I will explode.
>>
>> I will shortly be leaving ARBR and Usenet forever as Ed Gin has shown
>> me
>> what newsgroups are good for - nothing! However, if others find them
>> entertaining or amusing, then so be it. Tom Sherman can continue with
>> his
>> discourses on tire sizes and others can weigh in on their various
>> follies. I
>> will be well rid of the lot of them.
>>
>> A few members I will miss, but the vast majority here on ARBR are
>> blockheads
>> and numskulls who never know what they are talking about no matter how
>> trivial the subject. To become submerged in a newsgroup is to enter an
>> asylum for the mentally deranged. Before you know it, you find that you
>> are
>> going as nuts as all the other inmates. I am getting out of this booby
>> hatch
>> known as ARBR before it is too late.
>>
>> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
>
> How come it is always the guy with the addiction that is the last to
> know. Your suffering from ARBR withdrawal right now. It's true what you
> said, I was over at the Mount St. Helen cam and I do believe you are
> venting more than the volcano.

OK, Nget, you are right of course. But this criminal Ed Gin is only going to
keep coming back and doing to others what he has done to Jim and me. Jim has
more patience than I do. But frankly I do not want to belong to a group
where this sort of criminal behavior as exemplified by Ed Gin passes without
much objection by the other members of the group. Ed Gin belongs in an
institution of confinement of course, but even Tom Sherman does not object
to what is going on here. You need to ask yourself if you really want to
belong to a group where criminals can do their thing. They say you are known
by the company you keep.

By the way, there is some asshole over on aus.bicycles that is doing the
same thing as Ed Gin. I have also noticed the same phenomenon on several
other newsgroups. Therefore I conclude that all newsgroups are for idiots
and morons. Moderated forums are the only way to go.

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
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The moderated forum is a whole different animal altogether. The security it gives you seems to come with a high price.But you maybe right that if the worst of elements are going to come here and bore eveyone out of their skulls then leaving maybe the only option left for the civilized to take.I also may not post to ARBR like I've done here the last few days but who knows. The weather is great here in the Pacific Northwest and I have my 3.4 wiz wheel trike that is helping me to restore my hurt knee.Today a nice lady I didn't even know called me by my first name as I rode by.Hi Mark she said,well it made me feel good that she knew who I was.She may even know things about me I wish she didn't.
 
"G. Morgan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Subject: Re: A Parting Word
> Newsgroup: alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent
> => Edward Dolan <= wrote:
>
>>OK, Nget, you are right of course. But this criminal Ed Gin is only going
>>to
>>keep coming back and doing to others what he has done to Jim and me. Jim
>>has
>>more patience than I do. But frankly I do not want to belong to a group
>>where this sort of criminal behavior as exemplified by Ed Gin passes
>>without
>>much objection by the other members of the group. Ed Gin belongs in an
>>institution of confinement of course, but even Tom Sherman does not object
>>to what is going on here. You need to ask yourself if you really want to
>>belong to a group where criminals can do their thing. They say you are
>>known
>>by the company you keep.
>>
>>By the way, there is some asshole over on aus.bicycles that is doing the
>>same thing as Ed Gin. I have also noticed the same phenomenon on several
>>other newsgroups. Therefore I conclude that all newsgroups are for idiots
>>and morons. Moderated forums are the only way to go.
>
>
> Then quit beating a dead horse and leave already.

Nope, not even Graham likes to hear the truth about newsgroups.

> If you would quit posting and just lurk for a while, you'll quickly find
> your
> name not being mentioned.

If and when my name is no longer being mentioned I will be gone. When do you
think that will be - sometime this year?

> You are not going anywhere. I'll bet ya $100 you can't quit posting to
> ARBR.

You would lose that bet. Once the loose ends are tied up I will be gone.

I came on this group bit by bit and that is the way I am going to leave it -
if others will let me. And that includes you too, Graham.

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
 
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Any new word on AirFree deliveries?
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