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    Question: An improvment over other scores

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    For those are patience impaired, you can get your Uniskills Coefficient
    at http://munipsycho.com/uniskills.jsp. Now read on...

    I watched the earlier thread on the New Kewl System with great interest.
    I think SAAM's New Kewl System is definite improvement. However, in the
    interest of pushing until I break something, I have revised his approach
    slightly. My reasoning is as follows.

    I can -usually- jump an 8 inch log on my KH24, but sometimes I fall. I
    can -usually- take a pretty wicked downhill, but sometimes I fall. I can
    almost always ride a 30' log end-to-end, but sometimes I fall. And in
    fact I can do a bunch of stuff, but I can't do any of it perfectly and
    .... sometimes I fall. (Less as time goes by, but sometimes I fall.)

    I tend to evaluate my skills probabilistically when I'm riding. (Comes
    from years of running intervals and having a background in statistics, I
    guess.) I can jump the 8 inch log successfully 7 or 8 times out of ten.
    I'm terrible on the 24" in drop. I can land and ride it maybe 1 time in
    5, or maybe 3 in ten tries (if I'm lucky). I'm pretty good at riding up
    rutted, rooted steep hills -- and getting better -- I'll give it 7 in
    10. And so it goes.

    I know some of you are perfect in that once you master a skill, you
    never fall again. (Ahem! Right!) So, let's have a little humility, and
    a lot of hope, and leave perfection as that state to which we aspire -
    speaking for myself, at least. Speaking again for myself, if I did
    everything perfectly, my interest in this sport would quickly
    diminish.

    My new Uniskills Coefficient is based on the premise that we assess
    ourselves on each skill in terms of how many times out of ten we nail
    it. (OK, that's still partly subjective, but whadaya gonna do?) Unlike
    the "OFFICIAL LEVELS", you get plenty of tries. Unlike SAAM's scale, it
    leaves most of us with plenty of room for improvement. At least it
    leaves me with plenty of room for improvement. In fact, I have plenty
    of room for improvement with or without this new measurement device.

    I have written a simple algorithm that allows you to input a score from
    0 to 10 for each skill. It multiplies your score by the level to
    include SAAM's concept. Then through the magic of division, it shows
    your Uniskills Coefficient, which ranges from 0 to 1000.

    (I would be happy to provide the code to a proficient Java coder to
    check. There could be an error in it, but it's really a pretty simple
    algorithm.)

    So, how good are we? Honestly now! To repeat: You can get your
    Uniskills Coefficient at http://munipsycho.com/uniskills.jsp

    Please note that the box running this page is hanging off my dsl line.
    Sorry if it's a little slow.

    And if you haven't read any Charles Bukowski lately, well, you probably
    should.

    So whadaya think?

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  2. Wow!
    Cool idea, but the more simple (black and white) systems are "better" in
    that they leave out subjective guesswork based on the mood or perception
    of the individual rider.

    Heck, someone with low self-esteem, might give themselves a 4 (and
    compare themselves to the best riders on the planet). However, a
    braggart may give themselves straight nines.

    The fundamental purpose of having levels and a NKS rating is so that you
    can communicate your skill level in a simple number (as well as track
    riding improvement).

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  3. i really like this new system!
    it's like the "NKS" except you multiply your scale of ten answer by the
    level rather than counting every skill as a "one." very clever!
    i'm a 227 :-D
    after about 3 months of riding

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  4. One other thing I just thought of is that consistency is a big issue. I
    used to hop all of the time - and I felt good about my skill there.
    Then, I got repeated injuries and became afraid of big hops - and pretty
    much stopped riding/hopping.
    When I started again, I had a solid 9" hop! 🙂

    The great things about the simple methods is that it is pass or fail for
    "that moment." While it can't illustrate the fact that certain skills
    (like idling) have weakened from lack of use - it can show that the
    skill is "accessible."

    I could try all day and never get "backwards 1 foot in a figure 8" - but
    good day or bad, night or day, I can hit that 9" hop. :p

    I'm thinking *that* is the type of thing that "people want to know" and
    keep track of and communicate.

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  5. This is a cool system!

    except that it would take a lot of time, it would be neat to actually
    try doing the skills 10 times to see how many times you got it every
    week or so, and keep a chart of your progress.

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  6. The main problem (as other pointed out) is it would take forever to
    determine one's level. It's all very well for a level three-ish rider,
    but I have done 93 out of the 97 skills at least once each, so it would
    take me hours to figure out my consistency on every single one. Here's
    where the skill levels are still a better method of assessing your
    freestyle skill, because in order to pass, you really have to be very
    consistent on all but one or two skills.

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  7. It's a cool idea. I use probabilistic processing (involving curve
    fitting) to evaluate my progress in hill-climbing ability.

    Your webpage doesn't work properly though. When I loaded it the first
    time there were no score boxes. The second time they were there. I
    discovered that a '10' was not accepted from the keyboard, the zero
    would overwrite the one, at least that's what I saw. When the windows
    began scrolling because I reached the bottom of the screen, the
    scoring boxes were displaced vertically by amounts different from the
    question. All was mixed up so that it was totally unclear what
    question they belonged to. I couldn't continue.

    Klaas Bil - Newsgroup Addict
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    people who unicycle are shyly exhibitionistic - GILD

  8. i like the idea
    it is basicly mine just more accurate (which is good and bad)

    the only bad thing is when you learn a new skill, you go back and go
    through it all again but you might rate any of the skills a bit
    different and this might make the final rating end up being smaller then
    you starting rating
    maybe you could have some kind of a saveing feature ?

    saam out 😄

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  9. I didn't vite because there wasn't an option that really suited my
    opinion. I think that as long as you're honest with yourself, then it
    will give a much better representation of your skill than the original.
    I really like how you don't have to complete a whole level before going
    on to the next. I think though that it's even more likely that people
    will lie to themselves, even subconsciously, and give themselves a
    better score than they really deserve.

    I think it's definitely a big improvement on the original method, but I
    personally really dislike the whole concept of having a rating system to
    be able to prove to people how good you are. Now a system that rates
    how much a person enjoys unicycling - there's an idea! 🙂

    Good system though.

    Andrew

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  10. i quite liked it! but i don't think its a good system to be used because
    its so subjective, along with the other points raised. however i liked
    to see my higher level skills recognized ( such as gliding- which
    otherwise would not be because i probably will never reach a high enough
    level), i came out with 361

    iain

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  11. huum 26...

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  12. I got a 373. I am going to have to actually test myself on this again,
    because some of the things that I was fairly proficient at, I rarely do.
    So I may have been a little hopeful in my scoring.

    The thing I don't like about the test is it shows me how little I really
    can do.😄

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  13. munipsycho said:

    6. DROP-DOWN CONTROL NOT WORKING.
    -My response. The drop-down control issue is what we in IT call a
    training issue.-
    To get a 10, press 1 twice.

    Do you call that a training issue? : : confused : :
    But, it works indeed like you say. Every time if you enter two digits
    sequentially, the second overwrites the first, except if the second
    digit is a 1 (unless the first digit is a 0), then it is interpreted
    as 10. Very strange. Why not interpret 1 followed by 0 as 10?

    Klaas Bil - Newsgroup Addict
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  14. Klaas Bil said:

    *Do you call that a training issue? : : confused : :
    But, it works indeed like you say. Every time if you enter two digits
    sequentially, the second overwrites the first, except if the second
    digit is a 1 (unless the first digit is a 0), then it is interpreted
    as 10. Very strange. Why not interpret 1 followed by 0 as 10?*

    Well, it's not really anything to do with my page, but with your
    browser. That's just how the drop-down control works on a web page.

    Here's an alternative: http://munipsycho.com/uniskills_2.jsp

    It uses radio buttons instead. It is graphically *very busy*, and mouse
    intensive, but probably a little faster for some people.

    Still, the *much more interesting question* is whether this approach, or
    the OFFICIAL approach, or the NKS approach, really measure how good a
    rider one is. It may measure how consistent one is at doing tricks or
    it may indeed measure fundamental skills. (Or, rather, provide a proxy
    measure of those things.)

    But I hope not. Really I do.

    Because my score is 141.

    And I was sure I'd score at least a 150.

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  15. Klaas Bil said:

    *Do you call that a training issue? : : confused : :
    But, it works indeed like you say. Every time if you enter two digits
    sequentially, the second overwrites the first, except if the second
    digit is a 1 (unless the first digit is a 0), then it is interpreted
    as 10. Very strange. Why not interpret 1 followed by 0 as 10?*

    Well, it's not really anything to do with my page, but with your
    browser. That's just how the drop-down control works on a web page.

    Here's an alternative: http://munipsycho.com/uniskills_2.jsp

    It uses radio buttons instead. It is graphically *very busy*, and mouse
    intensive, but probably a little faster for some people.

    Still, the *much more interesting question* is whether this approach, or
    the OFFICIAL approach, or the NKS approach, really measure how good a
    rider one is. It may measure how consistent one is at doing tricks or
    it may indeed measure fundamental skills. (Or, rather, provide a proxy
    measure of those things.)

    But I hope not. Really I do.

    Because my score is 141.

    And I was sure I'd score at least a 150.

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  16. Klaas Bil said:

    *Do you call that a training issue? : : confused : :
    But, it works indeed like you say. Every time if you enter two digits
    sequentially, the second overwrites the first, except if the second
    digit is a 1 (unless the first digit is a 0), then it is interpreted
    as 10. Very strange. Why not interpret 1 followed by 0 as 10?*

    Well, it's not really anything to do with my page, but with your
    browser. That's just how the drop-down control works on a web page.

    Here's an alternative: http://munipsycho.com/uniskills_2.jsp

    It uses radio buttons instead. It is graphically *very busy*, and mouse
    intensive, but probably a little faster for some people.

    Still, the *much more interesting question* is whether this approach, or
    the OFFICIAL approach, or the NKS approach, really measure how good a
    rider one is. It may measure how consistent one is at doing tricks or
    it may indeed measure fundamental skills. (Or, rather, provide a proxy
    measure of those things.)

    But I hope not. Really I do.

    Because my score is 141.

    And I was sure I'd score at least a 150.

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    -Little Bear

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  17. Klaas Bil said:

    *Do you call that a training issue? : : confused : :
    But, it works indeed like you say. Every time if you enter two digits
    sequentially, the second overwrites the first, except if the second
    digit is a 1 (unless the first digit is a 0), then it is interpreted
    as 10. Very strange. Why not interpret 1 followed by 0 as 10?*

    Well, it's not really anything to do with my page, but with your
    browser. That's just how the drop-down control works on a web page.

    Here's an alternative: http://munipsycho.com/uniskills_2.jsp

    It uses radio buttons instead. It is graphically *very busy*, and mouse
    intensive, but probably a little faster for some people.

    Still, the *much more interesting question* is whether this approach, or
    the OFFICIAL approach, or the NKS approach, really measure how good a
    rider one is. It may measure how consistent one is at doing tricks or
    it may indeed measure fundamental skills. (Or, rather, provide a proxy
    measure of those things.)

    But I hope not. Really I do.

    Because my score is 141.

    And I was sure I'd score at least a 150.

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  18. munipsycho said:

    *
    Because my score is 141.

    And I was sure I'd score at least a 150. *

    After riding with you today, I am sure you are at least a 150.😉 I
    think you may just be suffering from test anxiety.

    On the other hand iy makes me think rather thangoing from memory of past
    attempts, that I need to actually go through the skills and see what my
    real score is. I think it may be a little optimistic.:o I'll give it
    a shot Monday.

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  19. bugman said:

    *After riding with you today, I am sure you are at least a 150.😉 I
    think you may just be suffering from test anxiety.

    On the other hand iy makes me think rather thangoing from memory of
    past attempts, that I need to actually go through the skills and see
    what my real score is. I think it may be a little optimistic.:o
    I'll give it a shot Monday. *

    Your skills are excellent! Here's the proof. (And there's more proof
    here: http://tinyurl.com/6xhyn)

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  20. Who is that masked man?😕

    Seriously, you and Paul left me behind on every uphill. You guys were
    riding great. Both your skills and your endurance. The good thing is
    though, I can improve a lot closing the gap. You guys will have a hard
    time improving by leaps and bounds. Well I can hope anyway.

    Had a great time, and I can't wait until we can get together again. I'm
    sure Moab was fun, but for the price you can't beat the Granite of Stone
    Mountain.

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