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  1. I've been reading this group for some time, and I've found it to be normally
    friendly and informative.

    Of late, however, it seems to be suffering from the attentions of a rather
    troubled individual calling himself "DRS". I have avoided saying anything so
    far, because I thought that the matter would die out in its own time, but I see
    he is posting again, so I would like to offer a little insight into his
    condition in the hope that it will enable people people to let him be. My only
    qualification for offering these insights is that I work with children with
    special needs, and I recognize the particular problem this poster has.

    There is no way that anyone is going to make any progress, such is his
    delusional mentality.

    What you must realize if that he does not see the world as normal people see it.
    He is quite obsessed with a relatively trivial annoyance: "top posting", and for
    him it is like a holy crusade. Although he has, in this instance mistaken a
    quite innocent posting of an article, it is just the same to him as if it was a
    genuine top posting incident, and in his mind he sees himself as some of hero,
    some crusader who must defeat a great evil. Once he has latched onto that which
    he detests, he is quite immune to reason.

    In his mind, all the people who read and post to rbm naturally agree with him,
    and only a very few "idiots" post disputing what to him is obviously clearly
    correct. He has learned the expression "argumentum ad numerum", which he uses,
    completely incorrectly to support his fallacious stances. It is interesting to
    note that although utterly obsessed with top posting, and the need to "obey the
    rule" (even though there is no "rule" as such"😉, he is quite happy to post
    obscenities in a ng which could very easily have an audience of minors.

    Even when forced into a corner by a poster who analyses all his errors, and
    explains them clearly and consisely, he is not fazed. He simply states "wrong"
    after each point made, presumably in the (quite absurd) belief that this will
    somehow answer logically constructed arguments, and demonstrable truths.

    So, please, realize that you are not going to get anywhere with this sad and
    disturbed individual. I don't doubt he'll reply to this post with his usual
    spurious nonesense, and will be quite happy that in doing so he has vindicated
    himself once again (which is how he sees his asinine responses).

    I suggest we just leave him to it.

    Andy

  2. Who cares what he says

    Quoted message said:

    , which he uses,
    completely incorrectly to support his fallacious stances. It is interesting
    to
    note that although utterly obsessed with top posting, and the need to "obey
    the
    rule" (even though there is no "rule" as such"😉, he is quite happy to post
    obscenities in a ng which could very easily have an audience of minors.

    Even when forced into a corner by a poster who analyses all his errors, and
    explains them clearly and consisely, he is not fazed. He simply states
    "wrong"
    after each point made, presumably in the (quite absurd) belief that this will
    somehow answer logically constructed arguments, and demonstrable truths.

    So, please, realize that you are not going to get anywhere with this sad and
    disturbed individual. I don't doubt he'll reply to this post with his usual
    spurious nonesense, and will be quite happy that in doing so he has
    vindicated
    himself once again (which is how he sees his asinine responses).

    I suggest we just leave him to it.

    Andy

  3. Fx199 said:

    Who cares what he says

    Quoted message said:

    , which he uses,
    completely incorrectly to support his fallacious stances. It is
    interesting to
    note that although utterly obsessed with top posting, and the need
    to "obey the
    rule" (even though there is no "rule" as such"😉, he is quite happy
    to post obscenities in a ng which could very easily have an audience
    of minors.

    Even when forced into a corner by a poster who analyses all his
    errors, and explains them clearly and consisely, he is not fazed. He
    simply states "wrong"
    after each point made, presumably in the (quite absurd) belief that
    this will somehow answer logically constructed arguments, and
    demonstrable truths.

    So, please, realize that you are not going to get anywhere with this
    sad and disturbed individual. I don't doubt he'll reply to this post
    with his usual spurious nonesense, and will be quite happy that in
    doing so he has vindicated
    himself once again (which is how he sees his asinine responses).

    I suggest we just leave him to it.

    Andy

    To really [censored] him off you should have left the entire original article
    untrimmed, like this: :-D

    Andy Simmonds said:

    I've been reading this group for some time, and I've found it to be
    normally friendly and informative.

    Of late, however, it seems to be suffering from the attentions of a
    rather troubled individual calling himself "DRS". I have avoided
    saying anything so far, because I thought that the matter would die
    out in its own time, but I see he is posting again, so I would like
    to offer a little insight into his condition in the hope that it will
    enable people people to let him be. My only qualification for
    offering these insights is that I work with children with special
    needs, and I recognize the particular problem this poster has.

    There is no way that anyone is going to make any progress, such is his
    delusional mentality.

    What you must realize if that he does not see the world as normal
    people see it. He is quite obsessed with a relatively trivial
    annoyance: "top posting", and for him it is like a holy crusade.
    Although he has, in this instance mistaken a quite innocent posting
    of an article, it is just the same to him as if it was a genuine top
    posting incident, and in his mind he sees himself as some of hero,
    some crusader who must defeat a great evil. Once he has latched onto
    that which he detests, he is quite immune to reason.

    In his mind, all the people who read and post to rbm naturally agree
    with him, and only a very few "idiots" post disputing what to him is
    obviously clearly correct. He has learned the expression "argumentum
    ad numerum", which he uses, completely incorrectly to support his
    fallacious stances. It is interesting to note that although utterly
    obsessed with top posting, and the need to "obey the rule" (even
    though there is no "rule" as such"😉, he is quite happy to post
    obscenities in a ng which could very easily have an audience of
    minors.

    Even when forced into a corner by a poster who analyses all his
    errors, and explains them clearly and consisely, he is not fazed. He
    simply states "wrong" after each point made, presumably in the (quite
    absurd) belief that this will somehow answer logically constructed
    arguments, and demonstrable truths.

    So, please, realize that you are not going to get anywhere with this
    sad and disturbed individual. I don't doubt he'll reply to this post
    with his usual spurious nonesense, and will be quite happy that in
    doing so he has vindicated himself once again (which is how he sees
    his asinine responses).

    I suggest we just leave him to it.

    Andy

    Guy
    --
    May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting.
    http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk

    88% of helmet statistics are made up, 65% of them at Washington
    University

  4. "Andy Simmonds" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]

    Quoted message said:

    I've been reading this group for some time, and I've found it to be
    normally friendly and informative.

    Of late, however, it seems to be suffering from the attentions of a
    rather troubled individual calling himself "DRS". I have avoided
    saying anything so far, because I thought that the matter would die
    out in its own time,

    It had until you chimed in.

    Quoted message said:

    but I see he is posting again, so I would like
    to offer a little insight into his condition in the hope that it will
    enable people people to let him be. My only qualification for
    offering these insights is that I work with children with special
    needs, and I recognize the particular problem this poster has.

    Correction: you are a child with special needs.

    Quoted message said:

    There is no way that anyone is going to make any progress, such is his
    delusional mentality.

    What you must realize if that he does not see the world as normal
    people see it. He is quite obsessed with a relatively trivial
    annoyance: "top posting", and for him it is like a holy crusade.

    Wrong. You don't have the slightest evidence to show that. I called out
    one person. That's it. What you do have is evidence that I won't be
    bullied into backing down on a subject where I am incontrovertably right.

    Quoted message said:

    Although he has, in this instance mistaken a quite innocent posting
    of an article, it is just the same to him as if it was a genuine top
    posting incident, and in his mind he sees himself as some of hero,
    some crusader who must defeat a great evil. Once he has latched onto
    that which he detests, he is quite immune to reason.

    Wrong. I'm always amenable to reason. If you tried using it I might even
    be amenable to one of your arguments instead of treating your present
    attempt with the utter contempt it deserves.

    Quoted message said:

    In his mind, all the people who read and post to rbm naturally agree
    with him, and only a very few "idiots" post disputing what to him is
    obviously clearly correct. He has learned the expression "argumentum
    ad numerum", which he uses, completely incorrectly to support his
    fallacious stances.

    Don't use jargon you don't understand. I have correctly identified that
    fallacy several times. That people keep repeating that particular error
    even after I've pointed it out to them so many times is indicative of their
    stupidity. That you think I used is wrongly is indicative of yours.

    Quoted message said:

    It is interesting to note that although utterly
    obsessed with top posting,

    Wrong. Already done and dealt with.

    Quoted message said:

    and the need to "obey the rule" (even
    though there is no "rule" as such"😉, he is quite happy to post
    obscenities in a ng which could very easily have an audience of
    minors.

    What possible relationship does one have with the other? Anyway, I didn't
    start the abuse but I'm quite happy to send it back with interest. Of
    course, I don't see you saying anything to or about those who did start the
    abuse. That would take integrity and you have none.

    Quoted message said:

    Even when forced into a corner by a poster who analyses all his
    errors, and explains them clearly and consisely, he is not fazed.

    That hasn't happened on this subject. There's just a few twits like
    yourself saying bugger all with lots and lots of words.

    Quoted message said:

    He
    simply states "wrong" after each point made, presumably in the (quite
    absurd) belief that this will somehow answer logically constructed
    arguments, and demonstrable truths.

    I'm not going to keep repeating the same old refutations. You seem to be
    referring to that fool Doug Evans. What a [censored]! He wouldn't know reason
    if it leapt up and bit him. Much like you, in fact.

    Quoted message said:

    So, please, realize that you are not going to get anywhere with this
    sad and disturbed individual. I don't doubt he'll reply to this post
    with his usual spurious nonesense, and will be quite happy that in
    doing so he has vindicated himself once again (which is how he sees
    his asinine responses).

    Just crawl back under your rock and lick your wounds.

    Quoted message said:

    I suggest we just leave him to it.

    Liar. You only posted this [censored] because the other two threads had died
    down.

    --

    A: Top-posters.
    Q: What is the most annoying thing on Usenet?

  5. Poor little DRS. He really has lost the plot completely. I agree with
    Andy that he does seem to be out of touch with reality.

    Does he actualy believe the garbage he posts? Or is he just compelled
    by his weird disorder to disgorge any old tripe to try and save face?
    Does he think that anyone takes him seriously?

    I guess he's going to keep it going as long as we let him.

    It's getting to the point where it could become quite funny pulling
    his strings.

    "DRS" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    "Andy Simmonds" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]

    Quoted message said:

    I've been reading this group for some time, and I've found it to be
    normally friendly and informative.

    Of late, however, it seems to be suffering from the attentions of a
    rather troubled individual calling himself "DRS". I have avoided
    saying anything so far, because I thought that the matter would die
    out in its own time,

    It had until you chimed in.

    Quoted message said:

    but I see he is posting again, so I would like
    to offer a little insight into his condition in the hope that it will
    enable people people to let him be. My only qualification for
    offering these insights is that I work with children with special
    needs, and I recognize the particular problem this poster has.

    Correction: you are a child with special needs.

    Quoted message said:

    There is no way that anyone is going to make any progress, such is his
    delusional mentality.

    What you must realize if that he does not see the world as normal
    people see it. He is quite obsessed with a relatively trivial
    annoyance: "top posting", and for him it is like a holy crusade.

    Wrong. You don't have the slightest evidence to show that. I called out
    one person. That's it. What you do have is evidence that I won't be
    bullied into backing down on a subject where I am incontrovertably right.

    Quoted message said:

    Although he has, in this instance mistaken a quite innocent posting
    of an article, it is just the same to him as if it was a genuine top
    posting incident, and in his mind he sees himself as some of hero,
    some crusader who must defeat a great evil. Once he has latched onto
    that which he detests, he is quite immune to reason.

    Wrong. I'm always amenable to reason. If you tried using it I might even
    be amenable to one of your arguments instead of treating your present
    attempt with the utter contempt it deserves.

    Quoted message said:

    In his mind, all the people who read and post to rbm naturally agree
    with him, and only a very few "idiots" post disputing what to him is
    obviously clearly correct. He has learned the expression "argumentum
    ad numerum", which he uses, completely incorrectly to support his
    fallacious stances.

    Don't use jargon you don't understand. I have correctly identified that
    fallacy several times. That people keep repeating that particular error
    even after I've pointed it out to them so many times is indicative of their
    stupidity. That you think I used is wrongly is indicative of yours.

    Quoted message said:

    It is interesting to note that although utterly
    obsessed with top posting,

    Wrong. Already done and dealt with.

    Quoted message said:

    and the need to "obey the rule" (even
    though there is no "rule" as such"😉, he is quite happy to post
    obscenities in a ng which could very easily have an audience of
    minors.

    What possible relationship does one have with the other? Anyway, I didn't
    start the abuse but I'm quite happy to send it back with interest. Of
    course, I don't see you saying anything to or about those who did start the
    abuse. That would take integrity and you have none.

    Quoted message said:

    Even when forced into a corner by a poster who analyses all his
    errors, and explains them clearly and consisely, he is not fazed.

    That hasn't happened on this subject. There's just a few twits like
    yourself saying bugger all with lots and lots of words.

    Quoted message said:

    He
    simply states "wrong" after each point made, presumably in the (quite
    absurd) belief that this will somehow answer logically constructed
    arguments, and demonstrable truths.

    I'm not going to keep repeating the same old refutations. You seem to be
    referring to that fool Doug Evans. What a [censored]! He wouldn't know reason
    if it leapt up and bit him. Much like you, in fact.

    Quoted message said:

    So, please, realize that you are not going to get anywhere with this
    sad and disturbed individual. I don't doubt he'll reply to this post
    with his usual spurious nonesense, and will be quite happy that in
    doing so he has vindicated himself once again (which is how he sees
    his asinine responses).

    Just crawl back under your rock and lick your wounds.

    Quoted message said:

    I suggest we just leave him to it.

    Liar. You only posted this [censored] because the other two threads had died
    down.

    Actually, I noticed that *you* were the last person to post before
    Andy.

    Perhaps you don't want it to die down.

    Perhaps you crave attention, and crave it so badly that you don't care
    that you are rapidly becoming the biggest buffoon on the dear old
    'net.

    I've heard of heroic failures, but you seem to be a heroic imbecile.

  6. "Mike VM" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]

    Quoted message said:

    Poor little DRS. He really has lost the plot completely. I agree with
    Andy that he does seem to be out of touch with reality.

    Who cares what you think?

    Quoted message said:

    Does he actualy believe the garbage he posts? Or is he just compelled
    by his weird disorder to disgorge any old tripe to try and save face?
    Does he think that anyone takes him seriously?

    I guess he's going to keep it going as long as we let him.

    You don't get to "let" me do anything, [censored].

    Quoted message said:

    It's getting to the point where it could become quite funny pulling
    his strings.

    You wish. But you're too easy to trash. You bore me.

    --

    Bottom vs. top posting and quotation style on Usenet
    http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/usenet/brox.html

    Why is Bottom-posting better than Top-posting
    http://www.caliburn.nl/topposting.html

    http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/gey_stv0.htm

    http://www.fscked.co.uk/writing/top-posting-cuss.html

  7. DRS said:
    Quoted message said:

    What you must realize if that he does not see the world as normal
    people see it. He is quite obsessed with a relatively trivial
    annoyance: "top posting", and for him it is like a holy crusade.

    Wrong. You don't have the slightest evidence to show that. I called out
    one person. That's it. What you do have is evidence that I won't be
    bullied into backing down on a subject where I am incontrovertably right.

    DRS, the evidence is all over this ng.

    Quoted message said:

    That's it. What you do have is evidence that I won't be
    bullied into backing down on a subject where I am incontrovertably right.

    It's sad that you still see it that way. What we _really_ have is evidence that
    you simply cannot understand the various resoned arguments that have shown you
    to be 100% WRONG.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    In his mind, all the people who read and post to rbm naturally agree
    with him, and only a very few "idiots" post disputing what to him is
    obviously clearly correct. He has learned the expression "argumentum
    ad numerum", which he uses, completely incorrectly to support his
    fallacious stances.

    Don't use jargon you don't understand. I have correctly identified that
    fallacy several times.

    Once againg, you delude yourself. What you have done is try to apply the
    argumentum ad numerum retort where it is quite inappropriate.

    If ten people tell you that 1+1 = 3, you are entitled to cry: "argumentum ad
    numerum"

    When ten people tell you that in their opinion you are an arogant fool, it is a
    meaningless response. It is also meaningless when you use it as a comeback when
    everyone who has posted on the subject has stated or implied that they are more
    persuaded by your opponents argument that no top posting took place, than by
    your that it did.

    Once again, in the vainest of vain hope that it will sink in. The OP did NOT top
    post (whatecer he or she may have said), because the expression "top post" is
    only relevant when you are REPLYING to something, and the OP was not replying,
    they were FORWARDING.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    It is interesting to note that although utterly
    obsessed with top posting,

    Wrong. Already done and dealt with.

    Oh do TRY and maintain SOME contact with reality. It is absolutely clear that
    you are utterly obsessed with top posters. Even to the extent of whining about
    it in the middle of an obituary thread.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    and the need to "obey the rule" (even
    though there is no "rule" as such"😉, he is quite happy to post
    obscenities in a ng which could very easily have an audience of
    minors.

    What possible relationship does one have with the other?

    You are pathetically obsessed with one rule because those breaking it bother
    YOU, but you have no compunction about breaking other rules if you feel like it.
    That is the mark of a grade one hypocrite.

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    Even when forced into a corner by a poster who analyses all his
    errors, and explains them clearly and consisely, he is not fazed.

    That hasn't happened on this subject. There's just a few twits like
    yourself saying bugger all with lots and lots of words.

    I've seen it happen at least three times. It's your dubious mental state that
    stops you recognizing when it has occured.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    He
    simply states "wrong" after each point made, presumably in the (quite
    absurd) belief that this will somehow answer logically constructed
    arguments, and demonstrable truths.

    I'm not going to keep repeating the same old refutations. You seem to be
    referring to that fool Doug Evans.

    Doug's post was an excellent, clear and consise explanation of why you are
    wrong.

    Quoted message said:


    Just crawl back under your rock and lick your wounds.

    The only wounds you are causing are those that are self-inflicted. If only you
    had the wherewithall to see that.

    Quoted message said:

    Liar. You only posted this [censored] because the other two threads had died
    down.

    DRS, YOU help keep this going. Like most obsessives, you feel you must have the
    last word. The trouble seems to be that there are so many people who are
    disgusted by your behavior that you're in for a long haul.

    Mary

  8. "Mary Thompson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]

    Quoted message said:
    DRS said:
    Quoted message said:

    What you must realize if that he does not see the world as normal
    people see it. He is quite obsessed with a relatively trivial
    annoyance: "top posting", and for him it is like a holy crusade.

    Wrong. You don't have the slightest evidence to show that. I
    called out one person. That's it. What you do have is evidence
    that I won't be bullied into backing down on a subject where I am
    incontrovertably right.

    DRS, the evidence is all over this ng.

    Only of what I just said, not of your deluded fantasies. I called out one
    person for top-posting. That cannot be evidence of an obsession by any
    reasonable person. I know that definition excludes you lot but so what?
    It's still true and you're still wrong.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    That's it. What you do have is evidence that I won't be
    bullied into backing down on a subject where I am incontrovertably
    right.

    It's sad that you still see it that way. What we _really_ have is
    evidence that you simply cannot understand the various resoned
    arguments that have shown you to be 100% WRONG.

    I understand them full well. I also understand why they are wrong. I have
    explained how and why more than once.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    In his mind, all the people who read and post to rbm naturally agree
    with him, and only a very few "idiots" post disputing what to him is
    obviously clearly correct. He has learned the expression "argumentum
    ad numerum", which he uses, completely incorrectly to support his
    fallacious stances.

    Don't use jargon you don't understand. I have correctly identified
    that fallacy several times.

    Once againg, you delude yourself. What you have done is try to apply
    the argumentum ad numerum retort where it is quite inappropriate.

    If ten people tell you that 1+1 = 3, you are entitled to cry:
    "argumentum ad numerum"

    When ten people tell you that in their opinion you are an arogant
    fool, it is a meaningless response. It is also meaningless when you
    use it as a comeback when everyone who has posted on the subject has
    stated or implied that they are more persuaded by your opponents
    argument that no top posting took place, than by your that it did.

    They are just jumping on the bandwagon because it's the only time in their
    sad little lives they get to feel good about themselves. Calling someone
    "human garbage" and the like because they call out one self-admitted
    top-poster is so out of proportion to the non-existent offense that it
    beggars belief that anyone could be so stupid as to still be pushing the
    matter.

    Quoted message said:

    Once again, in the vainest of vain hope that it will sink in. The OP
    did NOT top post (whatecer he or she may have said), because the
    expression "top post" is only relevant when you are REPLYING to
    something, and the OP was not replying, they were FORWARDING.

    But (for the umpteenth time), HE THOUGHT HE WAS TOP-POSTING, KNEW IT WAS
    WRONG YET WENT AHEAD ANYWAY! That's the very nub of the matter. It's so
    simple even you idiots should be able to get it. I frankly think you do but
    you're just being contrary for the sake of it. You're not even coming close
    to having a coherent argument.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    It is interesting to note that although utterly
    obsessed with top posting,

    Wrong. Already done and dealt with.

    Oh do TRY and maintain SOME contact with reality. It is absolutely
    clear that you are utterly obsessed with top posters. Even to the
    extent of whining about it in the middle of an obituary thread.

    Wrong. It is not clear. It cannot be clear. You have no evidence at all
    to supoprt your absurd contention. And I don't whine.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    and the need to "obey the rule" (even
    though there is no "rule" as such"😉, he is quite happy to post
    obscenities in a ng which could very easily have an audience of
    minors.

    What possible relationship does one have with the other?

    You are pathetically obsessed with one rule because those breaking it
    bother YOU, but you have no compunction about breaking other rules if
    you feel like it. That is the mark of a grade one hypocrite.

    Wrong. I have already demonstrated I am not obsessed with it so your
    ridiculous argument instantly falls to pieces. Done and dealt with.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Even when forced into a corner by a poster who analyses all his
    errors, and explains them clearly and consisely, he is not fazed.

    That hasn't happened on this subject. There's just a few twits like
    yourself saying bugger all with lots and lots of words.

    I've seen it happen at least three times. It's your dubious mental
    state that stops you recognizing when it has occured.

    It has not happened at all. And my mental state is fine. It's clearly
    functioning much better than yours. You really should stop embarrassing
    yourself in public like this.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    He
    simply states "wrong" after each point made, presumably in the
    (quite absurd) belief that this will somehow answer logically
    constructed arguments, and demonstrable truths.

    I'm not going to keep repeating the same old refutations. You seem
    to be referring to that fool Doug Evans.

    Doug's post was an excellent, clear and consise explanation of why
    you are wrong.

    It was utter, utter [censored] by a complete fool.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Just crawl back under your rock and lick your wounds.

    The only wounds you are causing are those that are self-inflicted. If
    only you had the wherewithall to see that.

    You're blind.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Liar. You only posted this [censored] because the other two threads had
    died down.

    DRS, YOU help keep this going. Like most obsessives, you feel you
    must have the last word.

    Wrong (yet again). I have ignored several posters in the vain hope it would
    die down but every time I think it has some moronic [censored] sticks his or
    her two cents in. I don't need your permission to answer my critics and
    that's not obsession, that's just Usenet. Deal with it.

    --

    A: Top-posters.
    Q: What is the most annoying thing on Usenet?

  9. DRS said:


    I have ignored several posters in the vain hope it would
    die down but every time I think it has some moronic [censored] sticks his or
    her two cents in. I don't need your permission to answer my critics and
    that's not obsession, that's just Usenet. Deal with it.

    "O wad some Power the giftie gie us
    To see oursels as ithers see us!
    It wad frae monie a blunder free us,
    An' foolish notion"

    - Robert Burns

    jeverett3<AT>earthlink<DOT>net http://home.earthlink.net/~jeverett3

  10. DRS said:

    "Mary Thompson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]

    [...major snip...]

    But (for the umpteenth time), HE THOUGHT HE WAS TOP-POSTING, KNEW IT WAS
    WRONG YET WENT AHEAD ANYWAY!

    Other than you, WHO THE [censored] *CARES*?!?

    Lambasting him in the context of his forwarding of an obit was
    crass at best.

    Quoted message said:

    [...a large pile snipped...]

    --
    Chris BeHanna
    Software Engineer (Remove "allspammersmustdie" before responding.)
    [email hidden]
    I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs.

  11. "Chris BeHanna" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]

    Quoted message said:
    DRS said:

    "Mary Thompson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]

    [...major snip...]

    But (for the umpteenth time), HE THOUGHT HE WAS TOP-POSTING, KNEW IT
    WAS WRONG YET WENT AHEAD ANYWAY!

    Other than you, WHO THE [censored] *CARES*?!?

    I only care to the extent that sundry morons have chosen to repeatedly
    attack me on it, despite (or perhaps because of) their manifest lack of
    understanding of the entire matter. Since you are pretending not to care
    why did you raise this yet again?

    Quoted message said:

    Lambasting him in the context of his forwarding of an obit was
    crass at best.

    No, it wasn't. The fact of its being an obituary is a red herring. Content
    is not an excuse for top-posting. Obituaries are not a free pass.

    --

    A: Top-posters.
    Q: What is the most annoying thing on Usenet?

  12. A: DRS
    Q: What is the most annoying thing on Usenet?

  13. I thought it was funny...

    Quoted message said:

    ubject: Re: A little understanding, please
    From: "DRS" [email hidden]
    Date: 8/21/2004 9:55 AM US Eastern Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    "Jeff Starr" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]

    Quoted message said:

    A: DRS
    Q: What is the most annoying thing on Usenet?

    We already knew you are a [censored]. You've made that unoriginal and unfunny
    joke before.

    --

    A: Top-posters.
    Q: What is the most annoying thing on Usenet?

  14. DRS said:

    "Jeff Starr" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]

    Quoted message said:

    A: DRS
    Q: What is the most annoying thing on Usenet?

    We already knew you are a [censored].

    Wrong.

    Quoted message said:

    You've made that unoriginal and unfunny
    joke before.

    Wrong. It was hilarious.

    Quoted message said:

    A: Top-posters.
    Q: What is the most annoying thing on Usenet?

    Wrong.

    Austin

  15. I enjoyed it, me :-)

    On Sun, 22 Aug 2004 00:55:04 +1000, "DRS"
    <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    <[email hidden]>:

    Quoted message said:

    "Jeff Starr" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]

    Quoted message said:

    A: DRS
    Q: What is the most annoying thing on Usenet?

    We already knew you are a [censored]. You've made that unoriginal and unfunny
    joke before.

    Guy
    --
    May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting.
    http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk

    88% of helmet statistics are made up, 65% of them at Washington University

  16. Little Meow said:

    Excuse me for top-posting,
    but what is this all about?

    Just that poor miserable lamer DRS still striving to make sure that
    *everyone* on rbm knows that he's the biggest [censored] on usenet.
    (Newsflash - we all knew that over a week ago)

    He thinks if he keeps whining on that black is white long enough,
    everyone will start to believe him - poor deluded fool.

    Perhaps we should humor him:
    That's right, DRS. You're the only sane one. It's everyone else in the
    world that's mad, n'est pas? 😉

    Quoted message said:


    DRS said:

    "Mary Thompson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]

    Quoted message said:

    On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 20:53:58 +1000, "DRS"
    <[email hidden]> wrote:

    >> What you must realize if that he does not see the world as


    normal

    Quoted message said:
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    >> people see it. He is quite obsessed with a relatively trivial
    >> annoyance: "top posting", and for him it is like a holy crusade.
    >
    > Wrong. You don't have the slightest evidence to show that. I
    > called out one person. That's it. What you do have is evidence
    > that I won't be bullied into backing down on a subject where I am
    > incontrovertably right.

    DRS, the evidence is all over this ng.

    Only of what I just said, not of your deluded fantasies. I called


    out

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    one person for top-posting. That cannot be evidence of an


    obsession

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    by any reasonable person. I know that definition excludes you lot


    but

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    so what? It's still true and you're still wrong.

    Quoted message said:

    > That's it. What you do have is evidence that I won't be
    > bullied into backing down on a subject where I am


    incontrovertably

    Quoted message said:
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    > right.

    It's sad that you still see it that way. What we _really_ have is
    evidence that you simply cannot understand the various resoned
    arguments that have shown you to be 100% WRONG.

    I understand them full well. I also understand why they are wrong.


    I

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    have explained how and why more than once.

    Quoted message said:

    >> In his mind, all the people who read and post to rbm naturally
    >> agree with him, and only a very few "idiots" post disputing what


    to

    Quoted message said:
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    >> him is obviously clearly correct. He has learned the expression
    >> "argumentum ad numerum", which he uses, completely incorrectly


    to

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    >> support his fallacious stances.
    >
    > Don't use jargon you don't understand. I have correctly


    identified

    Quoted message said:
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    > that fallacy several times.

    Once againg, you delude yourself. What you have done is try to


    apply

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    the argumentum ad numerum retort where it is quite inappropriate.

    If ten people tell you that 1+1 = 3, you are entitled to cry:
    "argumentum ad numerum"

    When ten people tell you that in their opinion you are an arogant
    fool, it is a meaningless response. It is also meaningless when


    you

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    use it as a comeback when everyone who has posted on the subject


    has

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    stated or implied that they are more persuaded by your opponents
    argument that no top posting took place, than by your that it did.

    They are just jumping on the bandwagon because it's the only time


    in

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    their sad little lives they get to feel good about themselves.
    Calling someone "human garbage" and the like because they call out


    one

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    self-admitted top-poster is so out of proportion to the


    non-existent

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    offense that it beggars belief that anyone could be so stupid as to
    still be pushing the matter.

    Quoted message said:

    Once again, in the vainest of vain hope that it will sink in. The


    OP

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    did NOT top post (whatecer he or she may have said), because the
    expression "top post" is only relevant when you are REPLYING to
    something, and the OP was not replying, they were FORWARDING.

    But (for the umpteenth time), HE THOUGHT HE WAS TOP-POSTING, KNEW


    IT

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    WAS WRONG YET WENT AHEAD ANYWAY! That's the very nub of the


    matter.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    It's so simple even you idiots should be able to get it. I frankly
    think you do but you're just being contrary for the sake of it.
    You're not even coming close to having a coherent argument.

    Quoted message said:

    >> It is interesting to note that although utterly
    >> obsessed with top posting,
    >
    > Wrong. Already done and dealt with.

    Oh do TRY and maintain SOME contact with reality. It is absolutely
    clear that you are utterly obsessed with top posters. Even to the
    extent of whining about it in the middle of an obituary thread.

    Wrong. It is not clear. It cannot be clear. You have no evidence


    at

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    all to supoprt your absurd contention. And I don't whine.

    Quoted message said:

    >> and the need to "obey the rule" (even
    >> though there is no "rule" as such"😉, he is quite happy to post
    >> obscenities in a ng which could very easily have an audience of
    >> minors.
    >
    > What possible relationship does one have with the other?

    You are pathetically obsessed with one rule because those breaking


    it

    Quoted message said:
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    bother YOU, but you have no compunction about breaking other rules


    if

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    you feel like it. That is the mark of a grade one hypocrite.

    Wrong. I have already demonstrated I am not obsessed with it so


    your

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    ridiculous argument instantly falls to pieces. Done and dealt


    with.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    >> Even when forced into a corner by a poster who analyses all his
    >> errors, and explains them clearly and consisely, he is not


    fazed.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
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    >
    > That hasn't happened on this subject. There's just a few twits


    like

    Quoted message said:
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    > yourself saying bugger all with lots and lots of words.

    I've seen it happen at least three times. It's your dubious mental
    state that stops you recognizing when it has occured.

    It has not happened at all. And my mental state is fine. It's
    clearly functioning much better than yours. You really should stop
    embarrassing yourself in public like this.

    Quoted message said:

    >> He
    >> simply states "wrong" after each point made, presumably in the
    >> (quite absurd) belief that this will somehow answer logically
    >> constructed arguments, and demonstrable truths.
    >
    > I'm not going to keep repeating the same old refutations. You


    seem

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > to be referring to that fool Doug Evans.

    Doug's post was an excellent, clear and consise explanation of why
    you are wrong.

    It was utter, utter [censored] by a complete fool.

    Quoted message said:

    > Just crawl back under your rock and lick your wounds.

    The only wounds you are causing are those that are self-inflicted.


    If

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    Quoted message said:
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    only you had the wherewithall to see that.

    You're blind.

    Quoted message said:

    > Liar. You only posted this [censored] because the other two threads


    had

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
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    > died down.

    DRS, YOU help keep this going. Like most obsessives, you feel you
    must have the last word.

    Wrong (yet again). I have ignored several posters in the vain hope


    it

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    would die down but every time I think it has some moronic [censored]
    sticks his or her two cents in. I don't need your permission to
    answer my critics and that's not obsession, that's just Usenet.


    Deal

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    with it.


  17. "Mike VM" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]

    Quoted message said:
    Little Meow said:

    Excuse me for top-posting,
    but what is this all about?

    Just that poor miserable lamer DRS still striving to make sure that
    *everyone* on rbm knows that he's the biggest [censored] on usenet.
    (Newsflash - we all knew that over a week ago)

    I call out one self-confessed top-poster and all of a sudden I'm a [censored]?
    No way, dumbfuck.

    Quoted message said:

    He thinks if he keeps whining on that black is white long enough,
    everyone will start to believe him - poor deluded fool.

    White is white, dumbfuck. I called out a self-confessed top-poster. That's
    it. No biggie except to you morons with tiny minds and even smaller lives.

    Quoted message said:

    Perhaps we should humor him:
    That's right, DRS. You're the only sane one. It's everyone else in the
    world that's mad, n'est pas? 😉

    A mere handful of dumbfucks does not "the rest of the world" make.

    --

    A: Top-posters.
    Q: What is the most annoying thing on Usenet?

  18. DRS said:

    I call out one self-confessed top-poster and all of a sudden I'm a [censored]?

    No, you've been a [censored] all along. It's just your behavior over this incident
    that has allowed the entire ng to become painfully aware of the fact.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    He thinks if he keeps whining on that black is white long enough,
    everyone will start to believe him - poor deluded fool.

    White is white, dumbfuck.

    Good, you're getting there!

    Now, all you have to learn is that black isn't 😉

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Perhaps we should humor him:
    That's right, DRS. You're the only sane one. It's everyone else in the
    world that's mad, n'est pas? 😉

    A mere handful of dumbfucks does not "the rest of the world" make.

    It seems to me that you are conning yourself into believing that only those who
    disagree with you are posting. That's possible, but unlikely. EVERYONE who has
    posted has "called you out" for being an arrogant, insensitive, overbearing
    [censored], and for not understanding what actually constitutes top posting.

    And please don't start bleating on about "argumentum ad numerum". It's been
    clearly explained to you why that is not appropriate in this case. In fact, all
    your mistakes have been clearly explained to you, several times over, in several
    different ways. It's just that you're too mind numbingly stupid to understand.

    Rick

  19. "Rick Travis" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]

    Quoted message said:
    DRS said:

    I call out one self-confessed top-poster and all of a sudden I'm a
    [censored]?

    No, you've been a [censored] all along.

    [censored]. I've been right all along and you're trying to make that my
    problem but you've failed miserably.

    Quoted message said:

    It's just your behavior over
    this incident that has allowed the entire ng to become painfully
    aware of the fact.

    It's not a fact. It's the overblown opinion of a handful of dumbfucks who
    don't matter and their mindless minions who think it's all just a good [censored]
    stir.

    [...]

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Perhaps we should humor him:
    That's right, DRS. You're the only sane one. It's everyone else in
    the world that's mad, n'est pas? 😉

    A mere handful of dumbfucks does not "the rest of the world" make.

    It seems to me that you are conning yourself into believing that only
    those who disagree with you are posting. That's possible, but
    unlikely. EVERYONE who has posted has "called you out" for being an
    arrogant, insensitive, overbearing [censored], and for not understanding
    what actually constitutes top posting.

    I have amply demonstrated I know precisely what constitutes top-posting and
    also that the OP *thought* he was top-posting, which is what matters. One
    day you and you fellow fools might come to understand that.

    Quoted message said:

    And please don't start bleating on about "argumentum ad numerum".
    It's been clearly explained to you why that is not appropriate in
    this case.

    Wrongly.

    Quoted message said:

    In fact, all your mistakes have been clearly explained to
    you, several times over, in several different ways. It's just that
    you're too mind numbingly stupid to understand.

    I'm far too intelligent and well educated to allow myself to be bullied into
    abandoning a position where I am manifestly right.

    --

    A: Top-posters.
    Q: What is the most annoying thing on Usenet?

  20. Toss in conceited, annoying and wrong, throw in some delusions of grandeur, and
    it come up DRS
    There is no "right" when it comes to a difference of opinion. Keep memorizing
    things out of books.
    Doesn't make you intelligent.
    We're supposed to be communicating about bicycles.
    Pathetic really.

    Quoted message said:


    I'm far too intelligent and well educated to allow myself to be bullied into
    abandoning a position where I am manifestly right.

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