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  1. I've sent this query 3 times with no sign of it. Any one else seen it? If so, please help???

    I just found out today that Christmas is going to be at my home this year instead of my sisters. Now
    this is no problem, I just have some logistics to work out.

    I am going to be making the 2 recipes below as well as ham.

    Is there any way I can get away with not having to cook it all on Christmas day?

    * Exported from MasterCook *

    Turkey Ballentine

    Recipe By : Serving Size : 20 Preparation Time :0:00 Categories : Cookies

    Amount Measure Ingredient -- Preparation Method -------- ------------ --------------------------------
    14 lb Turkey fresh preferably, -- or properly defrosted if not to 17 lb Salt and pepper thyme sage
    parsley Vegetables for roasting with the turkey 3 carrots, 1 inch diced 3 stalks celery, 1 inch
    diced 2 lg yellow onions, rough diced garlic cloves -- to taste 2 qt chicken stock (canned is --
    canned is fine Stuffing

    Whether you call this dish ballentine or galantine, you end up with a Turkey that has been de-boned,
    then seasoned, stuffed and then-rolled to create a wonderful and a terrific main course for any
    holiday event. We have actually served this preparation to some of our guests. The process is
    laborious and complicated but the end result is incredible. A word of warning this preparation is
    not for the timid. Please read the entire recipe before starting.

    Vegetable and herb stuffing

    NOTE: I use my own stuffing

    De-boning the turkey

    Defrost turkey according to the directions or purchase a fresh turkey. I recommend fresh turkeys, as
    you don't have to worry about the several days it could take for a frozen turkey to defrost. The key
    to deboning is keeping the knife against the bones to free the maximum amount of meat. The result is
    a large single piece in tact with two symmetrical sidesheld together by the outside skin.

    Lay the turkey on a cutting board with the breast side down and the legs facing towards you. With a
    sharp boning knife, make an incision down the spine of the turkey. Beginning with the right side, or
    left if you are left-handed. Keeping the edge of the knife against the bones, begin making small
    cuts and pulling the meat away, working from the spine down to the breast and from the neck to the
    tail. The skin will eventually flop down and as you cut away the cartilage around the leg/hip joint,
    you will be left with a leg and a wing on that side. Make an incision along the leg bone and again,
    with a series of small cuts and pulling the skin away from the bone, extract the leg bone. Then, for
    the wing, cut offthe tip at the first joint away from the breast, and extract the bone as you just
    did for the leg. Rotate the turkey 180 degrees so you can work on the opposite side. When you are
    finished, you can make turkey stock for a flavorful soup base or as a gravy base for this dish..

    Place the turkey now on a cutting board covered with a double lining of plastic wrap. This is very
    important as it will aid in the transfer of the finished turkey. Next, you want to achieve a flat
    surface by distributing some of the meat. Remove the tenderloins from the top of each breast and
    place on the flatter section of the tail area. Trim the leg and wing meat and place it along the
    center in between the two breasts. Season the surface by rubbing in the salt, pepper, and dried
    herbs. Spread stuffing down the center of the turkey in a column about 6 inches wide. Be generous
    with the stuffing, but you may not need to use all of it. The balance of the stuffing can be baked
    separately in a baking dish.

    Roll the turkey from left to right by folding it in thirds. Fold in one third then again in one
    third and the seam should be facing down. Imagine folding a piece of paper into thirds to fit into a
    long envelope, except you are folding from left to right.

    Rolling and tying the turkey

    Use the following instructions to tie up the turkey. Remember the goal is to create a uniform piece
    of meat that will hold together after braising in the pan. As you tie up the turkey using this
    method you can go back to areas that may be cumbersome and use individual ties for holding together
    these areas. You may also want to push some of the stuffing back in that may have come out. Using
    butcher twine, run an uncut piece of string from the bolt under the turkey from the neck to the
    tail, with a 10-inch portion left hanging out from under the tail. Taking the string still attached
    to the bolt at the neck in your right hand, pull off the bolt enough to get easily around the
    turkey. Take the string that you are still holding (the end of the 10 inches) in your right and hold
    the same string at the neck in your left hand. Bring your hands together. Place the string that is
    in your lefthand into your right hand, on top of the portion of string in your right hand, creating
    an X shape with a loop underneath. Keep this X shape pinched in your right hand while drawing the
    loop around the top neck portion of the bird. After tucking it under the bird, relax your grip on
    the X and pull the string that is attached to the bolt towards you to make a tight band around the
    top of the turkey. Go through this process again to make another loop, but as you draw the loop
    around the top of the turkey, pull it down about 1½ inches past the first loop to create the second
    band. Continue making loops and bands until the entire turkey is completely wrapped and uniform.

    Roasting the Turkey

    Lift the turkey with the double wrapped plastic wrap. Place in roasting pan surrounded by the
    carrots, celery, and onion. Once in the pan remove the plastic wrap. Pour chicken stock over
    contents of roasting pan. Place in oven and baste every half-hour after the first hour of cooking.
    Turkey is cooked when the internal temperature reaches 160 degrees.

    The roast should cook in a 325 to 350 oven to start (1 hour) and then turn down to 300 to 325 and
    cover with foil if outside skin gets brown to fast.

    a large stuffed roast willl take 2-3 hours to cook. There are alot of factors though that could
    change this. THerefore either way place the thermometer into the center of the roast. When the
    reading hits 160 to 165 remove from the oven and allow the roast to rest for 15 minutes before
    slicing. THis is not a type of thermometer that is left in the meat . it is stuck in and removed.
    Allow the maxium 3 hours to cook the roast at least. If the roast is lagging behind turn up the oven
    to pick up speed just be sure to baste reguarly and keep the liquid in the pan up and be sure the
    skin doesn't brown to much.

    Finishing the Turkey

    The turkey will need at least 20-30 minutes to rest before being sliced. This will allow the turkey
    to hold together. You will need a very sharp knife to slice this turkey and just prior to slicing
    and serving the strings should be removed. Place the sliced turkey on a platter so that the slices
    are clear and all the work to arrange the turkey can be seen. Surround the turkey with some roasted
    vegetables and drizzle with gravy or pan juices.

    From: Chef4Souls

    MM by H Peagram

    - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

    Per Serving (excluding unknown items): 0 Calories; 0g Fat (0.0% calories from fat); 0g Protein; 0g
    Carbohydrate; 0g Dietary Fiber; 0mg Cholesterol; 0mg Sodium. Exchanges: .

    Nutr. Assoc. : 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0

    * Exported from MasterCook *

    Helen's Roast Beef

    Recipe By : Serving Size : 4 Preparation Time :0:00 Categories : Family

    Amount Measure Ingredient -- Preparation Method -------- ------------ --------------------------------
    1 Beef roast -- Rib, rolled rib, sirloin, sirloin tip, rump, or round roast.

    Remove roast from frig at least 2 hours before ready to cook.

    Preheat oven to 500.

    Place meat fat side up in a well greased roasting pan, on a rack Do NOT cover.

    Add about 1/2 inch water.

    Place in oven and time for 30 minutes. Reduce heat to 275.

    Continue cooking for 1 1/4 to 1 1/2 hours and test with meat thermometer.

    I find about 120-140 produces a medium rare result

    - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

    Per Serving (excluding unknown items): 17 Calories; 1g Fat (69.0% calories from fat); 1g Protein; 0g
    Carbohydrate; 0g Dietary Fiber; 5mg Cholesterol; 4mg Sodium. Exchanges: 0 Lean Meat; 0 Fat.

    Nutr. Assoc. : 0

    --
    Helen

    Thanks be unto God for His wonderful gift: Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of God is the object
    of our faith; the only faith that saves is faith in Him

    << < www. peagramfamily. com mompeagram.homestead.commompeagram.homestead.com

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  2. LIMEYNO1 said:


    I've sent this query 3 times with no sign of it. Any one else seen it? If so, please help???

    This is the first time I'm seeing it. I think you confused your ISP by putting a turkey recipe under
    the category of Cookies. (smile)

    Quoted message said:

    Is there any way I can get away with not having to cook it all on Christmas day?

    Well, if you make the stuffing the day before and debone the turkey (did I read that wrong) the day
    before, it's pretty much a matter of just a matter of stuffing the turkey the morning of and
    sticking it in the oven. You'll know better than I will as I am not from the UK, but isn't roast
    beef often served room temperature? You could make that the day before.

    Sorry if that was no help whatsoever.

    nancy

  3. "LIMEYNO1" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    :"]news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    Is there any way I can get away with not having to cook it all on Christmas day?

    I believe you can debone and prep the turkey several days in advance. In fact the spices might marry
    better in the bird.

    --
    And the beet goes on! (or under) -me just a while ago

  4. "LIMEYNO1" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I am going to be making the 2 recipes below as well as ham.

    Is there any way I can get away with not having to cook it all on


    Christmas

    Quoted message said:

    day?

    Quoted message said:

    Turkey Ballentine

    Various "small" fixings can be prepared prior to the day, stuffing, gravies, etc..

    Quoted message said:

    Helen's Roast Beef

    The roast could be cooked prior, and warmed on the feast day. Actually, depending on the texture,
    some people prefer roast beef more on the second day.

  5. LIMEYNO1 said:


    Is there any way I can get away with not having to cook it all on Christmas day?

    A gallantine can be made a day earlier and kept refrigerated, then served cold... so can roast beef.
    So what's your problem?

    ---= BOYCOTT FRENCH--GERMAN (belgium) =--- ---= Move UNITED NATIONS To Paris =--- Sheldon
    ```````````` "Life would be devoid of all meaning were it without tribulation."

  6. Well, it's basically boned and it's thawing now, but it has to be stuffed and I really can't do
    that ahead of time unless I cook it ahead of time too. Any suggestions on pre-cooking it and
    reheating it?

    "hahabogus" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "LIMEYNO1" <[email hidden]> wrote in :"]news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    Is there any way I can get away with not having to cook it all on Christmas day?

    I believe you can debone and prep the turkey several days in advance. In fact the spices might
    marry better in the bird.

    --
    And the beet goes on! (or under) -me just a while ago

  7. BG, I guess the newsgroup goblin ate them!

    I'm from the UK, but I live in Canada. The beef, I think I can deal with, is it possible to cook the
    turkey the day before and reheat some way so it doesn't taste left over?

    "Nancy Young" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    LIMEYNO1 said:


    I've sent this query 3 times with no sign of it. Any one else seen it?


    If

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    so, please help???

    This is the first time I'm seeing it. I think you confused your ISP by putting a turkey recipe
    under the category of Cookies. (smile)

    Quoted message said:

    Is there any way I can get away with not having to cook it all on


    Christmas

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    day?

    Well, if you make the stuffing the day before and debone the turkey (did I read that wrong) the
    day before, it's pretty much a matter of just a matter of stuffing the turkey the morning of and
    sticking it in the oven. You'll know better than I will as I am not from the UK, but isn't roast
    beef often served room temperature? You could make that the day before.

    Sorry if that was no help whatsoever.

    nancy

  8. LIMEYNO1 said:

    Helen's Roast Beef ...Continue cooking for 1 1/4 to 1 1/2 hours and test with meat thermometer. I
    find about 120-140 produces a medium rare result

    Conmsidering the roast will rise 6-10F after it's taken out of the oven, 120F to 140F is the
    difference between medium rare and very well done.

    Otherwise the recipe is fine. I'd take it out at 120 usually, depending on the size and cut of beef
    I'm cooking.

    -sw

  9. Thanks
    "Steve Wertz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    LIMEYNO1 said:

    Helen's Roast Beef ...Continue cooking for 1 1/4 to 1 1/2 hours and test with meat thermometer. I
    find about 120-140 produces a medium rare result

    Conmsidering the roast will rise 6-10F after it's taken out of the oven, 120F to 140F is the
    difference between medium rare and very well done.

    Otherwise the recipe is fine. I'd take it out at 120 usually, depending on the size and cut of
    beef I'm cooking.

    -sw

  10. On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 12:21:21 -0500, "LIMEYNO1"
    <[email hidden]> arranged random neurons, so they looked like
    this:

    Quoted message said:

    Well, it's basically boned and it's thawing now, but it has to be stuffed and I really can't do
    that ahead of time unless I cook it ahead of time too. Any suggestions on pre-cooking it and
    reheating it?


    This is less than helpful, but I sure wouldn't pre-cook it. OTOH, I did remember seeing an
    article at Thanksgiving about do ahead turkey. Found it again. Don't know how helpful it will be,
    but it's a start.

    freestuffpage.comturkey.htm

    Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd AAC(F)BV66.0748.CA

    "If the soup had been as hot as the claret, if the claret had been as old as the bird, and if the
    bird's breasts had been as full as the waitress', it would have been a very good dinner." Anonymous.

    To reply, remove "gotcha"

  11. Thanks Terry! That's more like what I'm looking for.

    "Terry Pulliam Burd" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 12:21:21 -0500, "LIMEYNO1" <[email hidden]> arranged random neurons,
    so they looked like this:

    Quoted message said:

    Well, it's basically boned and it's thawing now, but it has to be stuffed and I really can't do
    that ahead of time unless I cook it ahead of time


    too.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Any suggestions on pre-cooking it and reheating it?


    This is less than helpful, but I sure wouldn't pre-cook it. OTOH, I did remember seeing an article
    at Thanksgiving about do ahead turkey. Found it again. Don't know how helpful it will be, but it's
    a start.

    freestuffpage.comturkey.htm

    Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd AAC(F)BV66.0748.CA

    "If the soup had been as hot as the claret, if the claret had been as old as the bird, and if the
    bird's breasts had been as full as the waitress', it would have been a very good dinner."
    Anonymous.

    To reply, remove "gotcha"

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