A lesson from Pete (first aid)

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I read Pete Fagerlin's web page for the first time tonight. Nice page BTW. Looking at the carnage
update, it made me think what a good idea it is to bring some basic first aid items onto the trail
with me. I can only assume most of you do this, I use a Blow out Bag under my seat, plus whatever
I can fit in my Camelback. What items have prove most useful for a space conscious rider?

Here's what I keep in a ziplock:

gloves, gauzes, tape, betadine/alcohol wipes, neosporin pockets, TP and feminine necessities.

You can rinse things with your camel back, wipe up the blood with the gauze and use some morewith
tape to cover things until you get home. The uses of TP etc should be obvious.

Penny

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MTB Lover's cat walked across a keyboard and came up with this:

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I read Pete Fagerlin's web page for the first time tonight. Nice page BTW. Looking at the carnage
update, it made me think what a good idea it is to bring some basic first aid items onto the trail
with me. I can only assume most of you do this, I use a Blow out Bag under my seat, plus whatever
I can fit in my Camelback. What items have prove most useful for a space conscious rider?

Here's what I keep in a ziplock:

gloves, gauzes, tape, betadine/alcohol wipes, neosporin pockets, TP and feminine necessities.

You can rinse things with your camel back, wipe up the blood with the gauze and use some morewith
tape to cover things until you get home. The uses of TP etc should be obvious.

Penny

That's an impressive kit, (since I saw you get to use it one time.) 😉

Here's a summary of what I have. Sock tops, (great to slide over an arm or leg to hold a bandage on,
or to soak up blood, bandaids, antiseptic stuff, tape, gauze, 4x4's, sprain wrap (forgot the
name)tiny first aid kit, alcohol wipes, ibuprofens, tums, other [censored] I can't think of now. Thinking
of adding gloves and a surgical type of superglue.

All fits real well in the Mule. And I've used it all a time or two.

Paladin

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Penny S said:

MTB Lover's cat walked across a keyboard and came up with this:

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I read Pete Fagerlin's web page for the first time tonight. Nice page BTW. Looking at the
carnage update, it made me think what a good idea it is to bring some basic first aid items onto
the trail with me. I can only assume most of you do this, I use a Blow out Bag under my seat,
plus whatever I can fit in my Camelback. What items have prove most useful for a space conscious
rider?

Here's what I keep in a ziplock:

gloves, gauzes, tape, betadine/alcohol wipes, neosporin pockets, TP and feminine necessities.

You can rinse things with your camel back, wipe up the blood with the

gauze

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and use some morewith tape to cover things until you get home. The uses

of

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TP etc should be obvious.

Penny

That's an impressive kit, (since I saw you get to use it one time.) 😉

Here's a summary of what I have. Sock tops, (great to slide over an arm or leg to hold a bandage
on, or to soak up blood, bandaids, antiseptic stuff, tape, gauze, 4x4's, sprain wrap (forgot the
name)tiny first aid kit, alcohol wipes, ibuprofens, tums, other [censored] I can't think of now.
Thinking of adding gloves and a surgical type of superglue.

Gloves good, glue bad. Throw some steri-strips or butterfly bandages in there instead.

The problem with the glue is that it basically replaces stitches. However, it needs a very smooth
edge to work well, which means a clean cut. It also means that its semi-permanent, and if there's
any dirt or whatnot in there (which there's bound to be) it probably can't be opened back up to take
that junk out. It's not strong enough to hold a large gouge closed, unless it isn't spreading much.

Steri strips are a very good alternative. They're basically stretchy strips of adhesive. You put it
on one side, stretch it to the other, and it closes the cut up really nicely. They're easy to take
off, they're surprisingly strong, they'll keep things closed even when its moving and stretching
(like when you need to bike out...), and they're a lot less likely to end up making your first aid
kit a solid block of glued bandages.

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All fits real well in the Mule. And I've used it all a time or two.

Similar to my pack. Lots of gauze (rolls and 4x4 sheets), bandaids, little triple antibiotic
packets, sprain wrap (which self sticks and can compress wounds like mad), ace bandage (which
doesn't, but is more useful in some situations because it can slide on itself some), medical tape.
Also ibuprofen (not asprin, which can thin the blood!), possibly some vicoprofen (vicadin+ibuprofen)
I've still got left over from wisdom teeth removal for when things get really bad, epipen (I don't
have it, but I should), matches if you're out in the boonies (or a lighter), and on and on. A knife
is always nice too - if I'm on a long ride, my leatherman comes with me.

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Paladin

Jon Bond

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I read Pete Fagerlin's web page for the first time tonight. Nice page BTW. Looking at the carnage
update, it made me think what a good idea it is to bring some basic first aid items onto the trail
with me. I can only assume most of you do this, I use a Blow out Bag under my seat, plus whatever
I can fit in my Camelback. What items have prove most useful for a space conscious rider?

Skill.

JD

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I read Pete Fagerlin's web page for the first time tonight. Nice page BTW. Looking at the carnage
update, it made me think what a good idea it is to bring some basic first aid items onto the trail
with me. I can only assume most of you do this, I use a Blow out Bag under my seat, plus whatever
I can fit in my Camelback. What items have prove most useful for a space conscious rider?

Skill.

JD

I would assume no matter what your skill level, you are always pushing your limits. That is where
the first aid kit comes in 🙂

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What items have prove most useful for a space conscious rider?

Skill.

JD

That doesn't help if a buddy (or stranger) bites it. I've only had to patch myself up once but have
helped others plenty of times. I've also seen enough freak accidents to know that skill isn't
always enough.

Same for tools, they get used on other peoples bikes a lot more than mine.

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I read Pete Fagerlin's web page for the first time tonight. Nice page BTW. Looking at the
carnage update, it made me think what a good idea it is to bring some basic first aid items
onto the trail with me. I can only assume most of you do this, I use a Blow out Bag under my
seat, plus whatever I can fit in my Camelback. What items have prove most useful for a space
conscious rider?

Skill.

Or, lacking that, common sense. I've really had very few reasons to patch myself (or my riding buds)
up over the past several years.

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doesn't give a person a few scars" - Garrison Keillor

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I read Pete Fagerlin's web page for the first time tonight. Nice page BTW. Looking at the
carnage update, it made me think what a good idea it is to bring some basic first aid items onto
the trail with me. I can only assume most of you do this, I use a Blow out Bag under my seat,
plus whatever I can fit in my Camelback. What items have prove most useful for a space conscious
rider?

Skill.

Or, lacking that, common sense. I've really had very few reasons to patch myself (or my riding
buds) up over the past several years.

If you think that "common sense" is sufficient enough to save you from an accident, then we have
different definitions of "accident."

pete fagerlin

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What items have prove most

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useful for a space conscious rider?

Skill.

JD

That doesn't help if a buddy (or stranger) bites it. I've only had to patch myself up once but
have helped others plenty of times. I've also seen enough freak accidents to know that skill isn't
always enough.

Same for tools, they get used on other peoples bikes a lot more than mine.

Same here. I've come upon biffed, bleeding fools, and patched them up. I've watched crashes and sped
to help. I yelled across a small canyon once telling this doof to go home and get a helmet. 30 mins
later I'd caught him and he was a mask of blood where he'd cut his chin & forehead open. Given (and
used) those sock-type bandages at least half a dozen times. Slide them up my calf, or on my arm.
Gave out the ibuprofen a few times. Took the tums when my all-you-can-eat Chinese or recent
beer-n-pizza caught up with a 6-mile climb. Biffed it pretty good once coming down a rocky creekbed
real careful-like when a big beetle slammed into my ear and tried to hitch the remainder of the ride
in there. Now that's pure joy. A bloody yard sale. yadda, yadda, yadda.

So I'll still carry a lot of [censored], and I'll take Bond's advice on skipping the glue. Just that a lot
of boxing injuries are now being closed up with glue, so I thought it made sense for riding, too.

Paladin

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What items have prove most useful for a space conscious rider?

Dunno from "space concious" but the thoroughtly-paranoid rider carries a little squeeze bottle of
betadyne - antibiotic-resistant staph and all that....
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PeteCresswell

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I would assume no matter what your skill level, you are always pushing your limits.

Not me, Bubba! I know my limits and stay inside them coz I's a WUSS. Too

damn

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old to start breakin' bones now. (Well, I _feel_ old, anyhoo)

I don't crash that often, simply because I do stay within my limits, and still manage to have fun.
I've only had one major biff, and it was a freak thing. There was no blood involved, but there was
plenty bump, bruises, a slight concussion, and one damaged Bell helmet. Of all places to endo, it
was dropping into a canal with chunks of concrete in the bottom resembling rocks.

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Steve "smart"

Steve, I fixed it for you.

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Of all places to endo, it was dropping into a canal with chunks of concrete in the bottom

resembling

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rocks.

Good choice! ;-)

Funny thing was, as out of it as I was, the first thing, before I did an inventory of what was hurt,
I drug my bike out of the water. Priorities, man!

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Steve "smart"

Steve, I fixed it for you.

Thanks - I needed that.....

Hey, I'm not the most daring rider in the world.

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> I read Pete Fagerlin's web page for the first time tonight. Nice page BTW. Looking at the
> carnage update, it made me think what a good idea

it

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> is to bring some basic first aid items onto the trail with me. I can only assume most of you
> do this, I use a Blow out Bag under my seat, plus whatever I can fit in my Camelback. What
> items have prove most useful for a space conscious rider?

Skill.

Or, lacking that, common sense. I've really had very few reasons to patch myself (or my riding
buds) up over the past several years.

If you think that "common sense" is sufficient enough to save you from an accident, then we have
different definitions of "accident."

pete fagerlin

::Revolutionary! Evolutionary! Yet so retro! :www.yestubes.com

How about instinct discerned from riding, riding, riding, and more riding?

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If you think that "common sense" is sufficient enough to save you

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an accident, then we have different definitions of "accident."

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How about instinct discerned from riding, riding, riding, and more

riding?

Key word:

"accident"

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If you think that "common sense" is sufficient enough to save you

from

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an accident, then we have different definitions of "accident."

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How about instinct discerned from riding, riding, riding, and more

riding?

Key word:

"accident"

Minimized by common sense.

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On 18 Nov 2003 09:04:48 -0800, JD wrote:
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>> I read Pete Fagerlin's web page for the first time tonight. Nice

page

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>> BTW. Looking at the carnage update, it made me think what a good

idea

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it

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>> is to bring some basic first aid items onto the trail with me. I can only assume most of you
>> do this, I use a Blow out Bag under my seat, plus whatever I can fit in my Camelback. What
>> items have prove most useful for a space conscious rider?
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> Skill.

Or, lacking that, common sense. I've really had very few reasons to

patch

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myself (or my riding buds) up over the past several years.

If you think that "common sense" is sufficient enough to save you from an accident, then we have
different definitions of "accident."

pete fagerlin

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How about instinct discerned from riding, riding, riding, and more riding?

Isn't that a definition of skill?

Chris

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> If you think that "common sense" is sufficient enough to save

you

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from

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> an accident, then we have different definitions of "accident."

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How about instinct discerned from riding, riding, riding, and more

riding?

Key word:

"accident"

Minimized by common sense.

But not eliminated.

That's why they are called accidents.

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On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 19:37:32 -0500, "Zilla" <[email hidden]> wrote:

>> If you think that "common sense" is sufficient enough to save

you

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from
>> an accident, then we have different definitions of "accident."

>How about instinct discerned from riding, riding, riding, and more
riding?

Key word:

"accident"

Minimized by common sense.

But not eliminated.

That's why they are called accidents.

I agree.

MTB Lover said:

I read Pete Fagerlin's web page for the first time tonight. Nice page BTW. Looking at the carnage
update, it made me think what a good idea it is to bring some basic first aid items onto the trail
with me. I can only assume most of you do this, I use a Blow out Bag under my seat, plus whatever I
can fit in my Camelback. What items have prove most useful for a space conscious rider?

Here is my first aid kit that I keep in a ziplockmy camelbak all the time. It weighs next to
nothings and take up little room. 2 - Antibacterial ointment packs (single use) 2 - Antiseptic Pads
3 - 3x4" Triple layer nonstick pads 4 - 800mg motrin 1 - 3"gauze bandage First Aid tape - About 5'
of it taken off the roll and rewrapped flat 4 - large bandaids 4 - small bandaids 4 - Cotton swabs A
little sheet of paper with inventory on it.

Bill Porter www.mountainbikebill.com