A Lesson from Florida: It's Time for Regime Change!



"Jeff Strickland" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> The ONLY lessons from Florida
> is that it gets windy sometimes, and they don't know how to vote.

You forgot the fact that there is no "mountain biking" there because
there are no mountains, nor even hills.

JD
 
JD wrote:

>"Jeff Strickland" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
>
>
>>The ONLY lessons from Florida
>>is that it gets windy sometimes, and they don't know how to vote.
>>
>>
>
>You forgot the fact that there is no "mountain biking" there because
>there are no mountains, nor even hills.
>
>
Oh, yes, there are. I saw some that were at least 12-15' high. And the
outruns were on the order of many hundreds of yards. Rather widely
spaced as well, I'll admit.

Pete H

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On Wed, 08 Sep 2004 19:16:35 -0400, PMH <[email protected]> wrote:

>JD wrote:
>
>>"Jeff Strickland" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
>>
>>
>>>The ONLY lessons from Florida
>>>is that it gets windy sometimes, and they don't know how to vote.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>You forgot the fact that there is no "mountain biking" there because
>>there are no mountains, nor even hills.
>>
>>
>Oh, yes, there are. I saw some that were at least 12-15' high. And the
>outruns were on the order of many hundreds of yards. Rather widely
>spaced as well, I'll admit.

15'? That sounds more like a speed bump than a hill. Certainly nothing
worth mountain biking down.

Rolling hills & mountain ranges, OTOH, are much more fun. :)
(I.E. California)

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On 8 Sep 2004 10:10:50 -0700, [email protected] (JD) wrote:

..Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
..<snip rant>
..> Please vote for John Kerry!
..
..A glowing recommendation from a truly outstanding member of society. HA
..
..JD

So you're voting for Bush? Idiot.
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On Wed, 08 Sep 2004 20:03:37 GMT, Jason <[email protected]> wrote:

..* JD <[email protected]>:
..> Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
..> <snip rant>
..>> Please vote for John Kerry!
..>
..> A glowing recommendation from a truly outstanding member of society. HA
..>
..> JD
..
..Ok whered my first post go? heh Umm Mikey guess what? You just broke
..your TOS, this is offtopic to every group you posted to and qualifies as
..spam. Shall we race to [email protected] folks?

You have no FAQ, so it's not off-topic. Besides, mountain bikers mostly drive
SUVS and so are responsible for global warming.

..Jason

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On Wed, 08 Sep 2004 10:26:08 -0700, Kyle Wilson
<[email protected]> wrote:

..On Wed, 08 Sep 2004 11:49:59 GMT, "Kevin Furrow"
..<[email protected]> wrote:
..> I have gotten the idea from your writings that you live somewhere in the
..>San Francisco Bay Area. Last time I checked, San Francisco is home to a
..>rather large number of fault lines and thus earthquakes. The most recent
..>major one I can recall off-hand was the 1989 "World Series" earthquake. The
..>response to that was massive aid to California from out-of-state. I assume
..>the next time a major earthquake flattens a portion of California that you
..>want the rest of us to stand idly by? What if that earthquake destroys your
..>house?
..
..Any house built to code in the last 20 or so years should be able to
..survive practically any earthquake, provided it's not actually sitting
..on a fault line. Any new buildings are required to be built to survive
..earthquakes of high magnitude. California (the state government) is
..spending and has spent vast amounts of money on retrofitting older
..constructions, and making sure new constructions are earthquake safe.
..Combine this with the fact that Californians pay a larger share of
..federal taxes than any other state, and you get a much different
..picture than Florida.
..
..Not that I'm agreeing with the lunatic, or anything, just that
..earthquakes are more easily defended against than hurricanes. :)

Yep.
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On Wed, 8 Sep 2004 11:08:04 -0700, "Jeff Strickland" <[email protected]> wrote:

..
.."Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
..news:p[email protected]...
..> To the Editor:
..>
..> The hurricanes in Florida teach an important lesson: there are some places
..where
..> humans should not live! We are arrogant enough to believe that the entire
..Earth
..> belongs to us, and that we have the right to go anywhere and do anything
..that we
..> wish. But so far we haven't been smart enough to learn how to live
..sustainably.
..>
..> Humans can't live in Florida without massive aid from out of state. People
..in
..> the desert Southwest can't survive without sucking whole rivers dry. Most
..> Americans' lifestyles depend on a supply of fossil fuel from halfway
..around the
..> world. And the ultimate in unsustainable living is space travel!
..>
..> George W. Bush's goal seems to be to prolong this profligate
..> living-beyond-our-means as long as possible -- at least long enough for he
..and
..> his rich friends to profit from it, and leave the nation holding the bag:
..the
..> largest debt in our nation's history! For promoting nuclear weapons and
..the
..> destruction of our environment, he represents the greatest living threat
..to life
..> on Earth. We need to get rid of this usurper before he does any more
..damage!
..> Please vote for John Kerry!
..>
..> For more information, see http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
..>
..
..
..Where people want to live is not an issue of Presidential agenda, and people
..are going to live where they want no matter who is occupying the Oval
..Office. You are mixing apples and oranges here, and the sauce it creates is
..not appealing to anybody.
..
..You can make the statement that Bush is promoting nuclear weapons, et al,
..but this has nothing at all to do with living in Florida or the desert
..southwest, or anyplace else for that matter. The ONLY lessons from Florida
..is that it gets windy sometimes, and they don't know how to vote.

Think a little. Both are unsustainable.
===
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years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

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On 8 Sep 2004 13:04:04 -0700, [email protected] (Parallax) wrote:

[email protected] (Stephen Baker) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
..> MV blathers:
..>
..> >To the Editor:
..>
..> We don't have one of those around here. Or is that just to make us think
..> you've sent this to some erudite journal that wouldn't publish it at gunpoint?
..>
..> >The hurricanes in Florida teach an important lesson: there are some places
..> >where
..> >humans should not live!
..>
..> After all this time, and all your rhetoric, you still haven't grasped the
..> concept of "living with Nature", have you?
..
..Nobody can live in Florida without massive outside aid? My family has
..been in Florida since the 1840s and has never required any outside
..aid. Before the War tween the States, they raised cattle they sent up
..north, after the war, they first raised citrus and then strawberries.
..In this century, I sell x-ray equipment all over the world from
..Tallahassee, FL. However, none of my people has ever lived on the
..beach, we have better sense. Beach homes are for foolish yankees.

They have NEVER received federal aid for disaster relief? Oranges frozen?
Flooding? Unlikely.
===
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years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

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On Wed, 08 Sep 2004 18:14:14 GMT, "rick etter" <[email protected]> wrote:

..
.."Paul Cassel" <[email protected]> wrote in message
..news:[email protected]...
..> Mike Vandeman wrote:
..>
..> > To the Editor:
..> >
..> > The hurricanes in Florida teach an important lesson: there are some
..places where
..> > humans should not live! We are arrogant enough to believe that the
..entire Earth
..> > belongs to us, and that we have the right to go anywhere and do anything
..that we
..> > wish. But so far we haven't been smart enough to learn how to live
..sustainably.
..> >
..> > Humans can't live in Florida without massive aid from out of state.
..People in
..> > the desert Southwest can't survive without sucking whole rivers dry.
..Most
..> > Americans' lifestyles depend on a supply of fossil fuel from halfway
..around the
..> > world. And the ultimate in unsustainable living is space travel!
..> >
..> > George W. Bush's goal seems to be to prolong this profligate
..> > living-beyond-our-means as long as possible -- at least long enough for
..he and
..> > his rich friends to profit from it, and leave the nation holding the
..bag: the
..> > largest debt in our nation's history! For promoting nuclear weapons and
..the
..> > destruction of our environment, he represents the greatest living threat
..to life
..> > on Earth. We need to get rid of this usurper before he does any more
..damage!
..> > Please vote for John Kerry!
..> >
..> You changed my mind. I'm voting and contributing money to Bush now.
..==================
..LOL So, mickey is going to vote for the billionare, that can live way
..beyond any of ours means.
..Money he gets from a company that produces a product that has no real
..'need', ketchup.

"Ketchup"? You are fantasizing again.

Talk about wasting energy importing and exporting around
..the world, billions of dollars worth of ketchup have to rank right up there.


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>>QUOTE=Mike Vandeman]On Wed, 08 Sep 2004 18:14:14 GMT, "rick etter" ><[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>..LOL So, mickey is going to vote for the billionare, that can live way
>>..beyond any of ours means.
>>..Money he gets from a company that produces a product that has no real
>>..'need', ketchup.

>"Ketchup"? You are fantasizing again.

>>Talk about wasting energy importing and exporting around
>>..the world, billions of dollars worth of ketchup have to rank right up there.
>
>
>===
>I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
>humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
>years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>
>http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande


At least know a *little* something about the people you support there twinkles. Ever heard the name Heinz? Maybe the wife of someone who's leg you are humping? Even with only a 4% stake in the *whole* company (after a large sell off she profited greatly from) she certainly profits from a company with 57 of it's 79 (72%+) plants *outside* the country even though just over 40% of it's sales are domestic (that's a defecit by the way). Just a thought...

K.
 
Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:eek:[email protected]...
> On Wed, 08 Sep 2004 20:03:37 GMT, Jason <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> .* JD <[email protected]>:
> .> Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:<[email protected]>...
> .> <snip rant>
> .>> Please vote for John Kerry!
> .>
> .> A glowing recommendation from a truly outstanding member of society.
HA
> .>
> .> JD
> .
> .Ok whered my first post go? heh Umm Mikey guess what? You just broke
> .your TOS, this is offtopic to every group you posted to and qualifies as
> .spam. Shall we race to [email protected] folks?
>
> You have no FAQ, so it's not off-topic. Besides, mountain bikers mostly
drive
> SUVS and so are responsible for global warming.

Wow, an generalization and a non sequiter in one sentence. That one's going
in the 'keep' file.

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Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:p[email protected]...
> On 8 Sep 2004 10:10:50 -0700, [email protected] (JD) wrote:
>
> .Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:<[email protected]>...
> .<snip rant>
> .> Please vote for John Kerry!
> .
> .A glowing recommendation from a truly outstanding member of society. HA
> .
> .JD
>
> So you're voting for Bush? Idiot.

Where did he say that? Or are you so entrenched in the 2-party system that
you're blind to alternatives?

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Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> On 8 Sep 2004 13:04:04 -0700, [email protected] (Parallax) wrote:
>
> [email protected] (Stephen Baker) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> .> MV blathers:
> .>
> .> >To the Editor:
> .>
> .> We don't have one of those around here. Or is that just to make us think
> .> you've sent this to some erudite journal that wouldn't publish it at gunpoint?
> .>
> .> >The hurricanes in Florida teach an important lesson: there are some places
> .> >where
> .> >humans should not live!
> .>
> .> After all this time, and all your rhetoric, you still haven't grasped the
> .> concept of "living with Nature", have you?
> .
> .Nobody can live in Florida without massive outside aid? My family has
> .been in Florida since the 1840s and has never required any outside
> .aid. Before the War tween the States, they raised cattle they sent up
> .north, after the war, they first raised citrus and then strawberries.
> .In this century, I sell x-ray equipment all over the world from
> .Tallahassee, FL. However, none of my people has ever lived on the
> .beach, we have better sense. Beach homes are for foolish yankees.
>
> They have NEVER received federal aid for disaster relief? Oranges frozen?
> Flooding? Unlikely.
> ===
> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>
> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

Yes, Mike, I mean NEVER. Federal aid was not available in the 1880s.
Never needed any aid in this century and do not expect any as I am not
foolish enough to live on the beach or in a low area.
 

> They have NEVER received federal aid for disaster relief? Oranges frozen?
> Flooding? Unlikely.

Phd's with worthless degrees are the experts at getting federal aid
(sometime called Research Grants), so why are you complaining about
someone's frozen Oranges in Florida? I would bet you have received a few
yourself or at least applied for a grant or two.
 
yet more democrat BS.... there seems to be alot of that from them.... :rolleyes:

W 04
 
"Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Wed, 08 Sep 2004 18:14:14 GMT, "rick etter" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> .
> ."Paul Cassel" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> .news:[email protected]...
> .> Mike Vandeman wrote:
> .>
> .> > To the Editor:
> .> >
> .> > The hurricanes in Florida teach an important lesson: there are some
> .places where
> .> > humans should not live! We are arrogant enough to believe that the
> .entire Earth
> .> > belongs to us, and that we have the right to go anywhere and do
anything
> .that we
> .> > wish. But so far we haven't been smart enough to learn how to live
> .sustainably.
> .> >
> .> > Humans can't live in Florida without massive aid from out of state.
> .People in
> .> > the desert Southwest can't survive without sucking whole rivers dry.
> .Most
> .> > Americans' lifestyles depend on a supply of fossil fuel from halfway
> .around the
> .> > world. And the ultimate in unsustainable living is space travel!
> .> >
> .> > George W. Bush's goal seems to be to prolong this profligate
> .> > living-beyond-our-means as long as possible -- at least long enough
for
> .he and
> .> > his rich friends to profit from it, and leave the nation holding the
> .bag: the
> .> > largest debt in our nation's history! For promoting nuclear weapons
and
> .the
> .> > destruction of our environment, he represents the greatest living
threat
> .to life
> .> > on Earth. We need to get rid of this usurper before he does any more
> .damage!
> .> > Please vote for John Kerry!
> .> >
> .> You changed my mind. I'm voting and contributing money to Bush now.
> .==================
> .LOL So, mickey is going to vote for the billionare, that can live way
> .beyond any of ours means.
> .Money he gets from a company that produces a product that has no real
> .'need', ketchup.
>
> "Ketchup"? You are fantasizing again.
================
So, as usual you have nothing, eh mickey? Come on little-boy, try to
defend the vast waste of resources just to produce and deliver condiments.
Defend your inane usenet postings, afterall, the continued increase in
demand for power and communications are destroying more habitat, and killing
more animals than biking does. Why are you a part of that? But then,
you've already shown that it's not really about the environment, but about
your vitriolic hate of others.







>
> Talk about wasting energy importing and exporting around
> .the world, billions of dollars worth of ketchup have to rank right up
there.
>
>
> ===
> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>
> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
==========
PS Bob jumped....
 
di wrote:
>> They have NEVER received federal aid for disaster relief? Oranges
>> frozen? Flooding? Unlikely.
>
> Phd's with worthless degrees are the experts at getting federal aid
> (sometime called Research Grants), so why are you complaining about
> someone's frozen Oranges in Florida? I would bet you have received
> a few yourself or at least applied for a grant or two.

Mikey is /currently/ seeking federal aid.

{pause}

Seems he's got shriveled grapes.

Bill "and he's nuts, so matched set" S.
 
"Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Wed, 8 Sep 2004 11:08:04 -0700, "Jeff Strickland" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
> .
> ."Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> .news:p[email protected]...
> .> To the Editor:
> .>
> .> The hurricanes in Florida teach an important lesson: there are some
places
> .where
> .> humans should not live! We are arrogant enough to believe that the
entire
> .Earth
> .> belongs to us, and that we have the right to go anywhere and do
anything
> .that we
> .> wish. But so far we haven't been smart enough to learn how to live
> .sustainably.
> .>
> .> Humans can't live in Florida without massive aid from out of state.
People
> .in
> .> the desert Southwest can't survive without sucking whole rivers dry.
Most
> .> Americans' lifestyles depend on a supply of fossil fuel from halfway
> .around the
> .> world. And the ultimate in unsustainable living is space travel!
> .>
> .> George W. Bush's goal seems to be to prolong this profligate
> .> living-beyond-our-means as long as possible -- at least long enough for
he
> .and
> .> his rich friends to profit from it, and leave the nation holding the
bag:
> .the
> .> largest debt in our nation's history! For promoting nuclear weapons and
> .the
> .> destruction of our environment, he represents the greatest living
threat
> .to life
> .> on Earth. We need to get rid of this usurper before he does any more
> .damage!
> .> Please vote for John Kerry!
> .>
> .> For more information, see http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
> .>
> .
> .
> .Where people want to live is not an issue of Presidential agenda, and
people
> .are going to live where they want no matter who is occupying the Oval
> .Office. You are mixing apples and oranges here, and the sauce it creates
is
> .not appealing to anybody.
> .
> .You can make the statement that Bush is promoting nuclear weapons, et al,
> .but this has nothing at all to do with living in Florida or the desert
> .southwest, or anyplace else for that matter. The ONLY lessons from
Florida
> .is that it gets windy sometimes, and they don't know how to vote.
>
> Think a little. Both are unsustainable.

Then people will stop living there when conditions become such that it
becomes too unbearable. In the mean time, the crocs will stay put as they
have for thousands of years.

You take such a narrow view of time ...



> ===
> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>
> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
 
Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> To the Editor:
>
> The hurricanes in Florida teach an important lesson: there are some places where
> humans should not live!

Hurricanes are the only reason I'd ever want to live in Florida. :)

But I guess I'll probably stay in California and enjoy the earthquakes.

Slainte,
JW
 
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