A good time for 10km TT?

Quoted message said:

I have a best of 15:45 on a regular bike. How good is that?

Hi Joe.

I get the impression you are a nice guy. This really isn't the best
place for a nice guy to ask a question about his athletic performance.
You're liable to get a wild assortment of advice, accurate and
inaccurate. Some of the nicest members of the group are apt to address
you as 'dumbass,' while some of the worst members of the group are apt
to address you by your given name. It can be a confusing place before
you get used to it.

The answer to your question is already contained in the data you
provide. Your best time is only about 2 minutes slower than the best
guys in your club, who are using equipment that will give them a few
seconds advantage. Keep trying your best, train hard and smart, and
you'll gradually improve your time. Obviously, the best guys in the
world will go quite a bit faster, and we will never be one of the best
guys in the world. Try not to compare yourself to others too much.
Set challenging goals for yourself that will keep you motivated.

Finally, one of the best ways to improve your performance in a short
time trial like this is to master pacing. Starting too fast is
detrimental. This has been discussed in this forum so a search for
'pacing time trial' should yield some information.

-RJ

Quoted message said:

Hi All,

Now that I know my time trial course is flat, I'd like to see how the
local riders stack up to others around the world.

The best guys in our club 10km TT are all just under 14 minutes. There
are a bunch under 14:30. They all have full-on TT bikes. How good are
these guys? What USCF cat-level is that, sort of?

I have a best of 15:45 on a regular bike. How good is that?

I don't have much else to compare because our road races are all rather
hilly I'm off the back (at 100kg+) and thus never get a clear picture
of where I stand. At least not any clearer than off-the-back somewhere!

You'd be pretty good if you could average 25 mph on a flat TT course as
an amateur. That would imply that 6.2 miles at 25 mph would take 14:53.
You speed is a little over 23.6 mph and is certainly nothing to sneeze
at but hardly in the top end of your catagory.

DO NOT use a TT bike since those guys are riding well below the speed
at which a TT bike would make any significant contribution. You'd be
able to get the same boost simply by riding with your hands next to the
stem and you head as far down as you can get it.

All of the normal aero stuff would reduce your times somewhat but at
this point your physical condition is your limiting factor and not the
drag. Work on yourself first before going to the easy stuff.

ronaldo_jeremiah said:

Quoted message said:

I have a best of 15:45 on a regular bike. How good is that?

Hi Joe.

I get the impression you are a nice guy. This really isn't the best
place for a nice guy to ask a question about his athletic performance.
You're liable to get a wild assortment of advice, accurate and
inaccurate. Some of the nicest members of the group are apt to address
you as 'dumbass,' while some of the worst members of the group are apt
to address you by your given name. It can be a confusing place before
you get used to it.

I actually prefer the roughness of this group to the false veneer of
civility often found on other groups. At least here there are no
unexpectedly rude and/or crazy things that just pop up out of the blue.
Here it's all on display from the get go!

Quoted message said:

The answer to your question is already contained in the data you
provide. Your best time is only about 2 minutes slower than the best
guys in your club, who are using equipment that will give them a few
seconds advantage. Keep trying your best, train hard and smart, and
you'll gradually improve your time. Obviously, the best guys in the
world will go quite a bit faster, and we will never be one of the best
guys in the world. Try not to compare yourself to others too much.
Set challenging goals for yourself that will keep you motivated.

The thing is I am trying to determine some realistic goals, given the
self-imposed constraints I have. I have a feeling that most of the
fastest guys around here devote way more time than I do, either because
they are single, independently wealthy, neglect their families, are
retired, are on welfare, or who knows what. They also train
intelligently I'm sure, and know what they are doing. I have to figure
out what level a 36 year old with 8-10 hous per week available can
expect to achieve. Then I can set some goals. Right now I am trying to
figure out if my long term goals should be for improving a handfull of
seconds, or 2 minutes. If only super athletes can do sub 14 minutes,
I'll write that off, but if it is attainable by more normal people,
I'll go for it.

Quoted message said:

Finally, one of the best ways to improve your performance in a short
time trial like this is to master pacing. Starting too fast is
detrimental. This has been discussed in this forum so a search for
'pacing time trial' should yield some information.

This is something I am working on. I was taking it too easy, and was
not as fast as I could be. I am now experimenting with letting out the
animal in me!

Joseph

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I actually prefer the roughness of this group to the false veneer of
civility often found on other groups.

Yessss!

JT

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Now that I know my time trial course is flat, I'd like to see how the
local riders stack up to others around the world.

The best guys in our club 10km TT are all just under 14 minutes. There
are a bunch under 14:30. They all have full-on TT bikes. How good are
these guys? What USCF cat-level is that, sort of?

I have a best of 15:45 on a regular bike. How good is that?

A lot better than me, for sure. In these parts we do 10 mile rather than
10Km time trials, and really good times are 22 or 23 minutes, which
would equate to about 14 minutes for 10Km; but I'm the wrong side of the
magic 30 minute (20mph) barrier, which would be 18' 40" for 10Km.

The thing about time trials is it doesn't matter how slow you are, you
can still improve. I will break 30 minutes this summer... Honest...

--
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... a mild, inoffensive sadist...

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Quoted message said:

I actually prefer the roughness of this group to the false veneer of
civility often found on other groups.

Satan Yellow,

Good post for 6/6/6. For improving your 10km TT time, try doing some
local training races (aka group rides). Don't escape but keep riding in
the front 5, 6, 7. React on every big move. Then if you're still there
in the end, try escaping first with 2km to go, later rides 3 or 4. Don't
do this more than 3x/week.

--
E. Dronkert

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Quoted message said:

ronaldo_jeremiah said:

Quoted message said:

I have a best of 15:45 on a regular bike. How good is that?

Hi Joe.

I get the impression you are a nice guy. This really isn't the best
place for a nice guy to ask a question about his athletic
performance.
You're liable to get a wild assortment of advice, accurate and
inaccurate. Some of the nicest members of the group are apt to
address
you as 'dumbass,' while some of the worst members of the group are
apt
to address you by your given name. It can be a confusing place
before
you get used to it.

I actually prefer the roughness of this group to the false veneer of
civility often found on other groups. At least here there are no
unexpectedly rude and/or crazy things that just pop up out of the
blue.
Here it's all on display from the get go!

If you think this is a rough newsgroup, you don't get out on Usenet
much. I'd call this one middle of the road - there are some nicer but
many far worse. And I confess to have _never_ found a "veneer of
civility" in Usenet, false or otherwise.

-S-

Quoted message said:

Hi All,

Now that I know my time trial course is flat, I'd like to see how the
local riders stack up to others around the world.

The best guys in our club 10km TT are all just under 14 minutes. There
are a bunch under 14:30. They all have full-on TT bikes. How good are
these guys? What USCF cat-level is that, sort of?

I have a best of 15:45 on a regular bike. How good is that?

I don't have much else to compare because our road races are all rather
hilly I'm off the back (at 100kg+) and thus never get a clear picture
of where I stand. At least not any clearer than off-the-back somewhere!

Thanks,

Joseph

Dumbass,

I always find a time of 19:00 is better for 10k time trials (or even
5k, or 15k...) than 15:45, or even 14:30, because I ride better in the
early evening.

I believe prostitutes prefer cold hard cash, but if you've
found one that trades a good time for a tt, more power
to ya.

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Quoted message said:

Hi All,

Now that I know my time trial course is flat, I'd like to see how the
local riders stack up to others around the world.

The best guys in our club 10km TT are all just under 14 minutes. There
are a bunch under 14:30. They all have full-on TT bikes. How good are
these guys? What USCF cat-level is that, sort of?

I have a best of 15:45 on a regular bike. How good is that?

I don't have much else to compare because our road races are all rather
hilly I'm off the back (at 100kg+) and thus never get a clear picture
of where I stand. At least not any clearer than off-the-back somewhere!

Thanks,

Joseph

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Hey, Joe, where ya goin' with yer eyes closed?

Quoted message said:

The best guys in our club 10km TT are all just under 14 minutes. There
are a bunch under 14:30. They all have full-on TT bikes. How good are
these guys? What USCF cat-level is that, sort of?

14 minutes ~ 26.6 mph

14.5 minutes ~ 25.7 mph

15.75 minutes ~ 23.6 mph

Sorry, I still have to think in mph for TTs. Top tour riders do well over 30
mph in much longer TTs, so 14 minutes for 10K is nowhere near world class. I've
seen cat 3 riders go faster on a 10 mile TT that was reasonably flat. I
personally have done just a handful of TTs shorter than 10 miles. For sure
fitness is key on the short races but to me, attitude on the day of the race was
always a huge factor on the many 10 milers I've done. If you can get mentally
ready to suffer and then not blow it by going out too fast or too slow, then at
least you will get to suffer even if you have a slow day.

23.6 is nothing to laugh at. If you stick with it, you'll probably beat that
time. The advice given you here is solid, although unlike Tom, I recommend you
to absolutely, positively get yourself a full-on TT bike. [censored], if I went out
and laid down the big bucks for a new ride, I'm damn sure I'd kick the [censored]
outta my PR. Go do it and if you puke all over those snazz aero bars, you can
curse me at will.

joseph.santaniello said:

I actually prefer the roughness of this group to the false veneer of
civility often found on other groups.

Note to rbr: We really need to work harder at becoming less civil (ised).
Is there any dope that we can take that will help us improve ?

Steve Freides said:

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Quoted message said:

ronaldo_jeremiah said:

> I have a best of 15:45 on a regular bike. How good is that?
>

Hi Joe.

I get the impression you are a nice guy. This really isn't the best
place for a nice guy to ask a question about his athletic
performance.
You're liable to get a wild assortment of advice, accurate and
inaccurate. Some of the nicest members of the group are apt to
address
you as 'dumbass,' while some of the worst members of the group are
apt
to address you by your given name. It can be a confusing place
before
you get used to it.

I actually prefer the roughness of this group to the false veneer of
civility often found on other groups. At least here there are no
unexpectedly rude and/or crazy things that just pop up out of the
blue.
Here it's all on display from the get go!

If you think this is a rough newsgroup, you don't get out on Usenet
much. I'd call this one middle of the road - there are some nicer but
many far worse. And I confess to have _never_ found a "veneer of
civility" in Usenet, false or otherwise.

I've kept my forays to groups with some semblance of relavency to
people who are not entirely off their rocker. Things like how to
optimze a database, vs aroma-therapy treatments for bus-sickness. The
sane/crazy ratio seems to have a lot to do with it.

r.b.* is a borderline case, with a fair number of fruitcakes,
particularly among those who also know what Usenet is. Guys with beards
who complain that Supergo doesn't stock spare parts for 15 year old
floor-pumps.

Joseph

Ewoud Dronkert said:

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Quoted message said:

I actually prefer the roughness of this group to the false veneer of
civility often found on other groups.

Satan Yellow,

Good post for 6/6/6. For improving your 10km TT time, try doing some
local training races (aka group rides). Don't escape but keep riding in
the front 5, 6, 7. React on every big move. Then if you're still there
in the end, try escaping first with 2km to go, later rides 3 or 4. Don't
do this more than 3x/week.

Despite living near Europe, I prefer the American date notation: 6/6/6.

You describe my Tuesday club races, and Thursday "fast" training rides.
Thursdays sometimes end with a slight downhill where I try to shake
people off my wheel, and give it all I've got for the last 2km. If I
get loose, I can usually stay away. 115kg of guy and bike on a slight
downhill spinning 53x12 is hard to catch. I'm going to try making my
move sooner.

Joseph

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Donald Munro said:

joseph.santaniello said:

I actually prefer the roughness of this group to the false veneer of
civility often found on other groups.

Note to rbr: We really need to work harder at becoming less civil (ised).
Is there any dope that we can take that will help us improve ?

Dumbass:

If the show "House" is to be believed, Vicodin.

Still sticking with gin, though I'll probably nip at the Jameson's my
father-in-law just brought from the duty-free,

--
Ryan Cousineau [email hidden] http://www.wiredcola.com/
"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos

Quoted message said:

r.b.* is a borderline case, with a fair number of fruitcakes,
particularly among those who also know what Usenet is. Guys with beards
who complain that Supergo doesn't stock spare parts for 15 year old
floor-pumps.

There has to be a Boyer joke in there, but I'm too lazy to extract it.

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...

Quoted message said:

DO NOT use a TT bike since those guys are riding well below the speed
at which a TT bike would make any significant contribution. You'd be
able to get the same boost simply by riding with your hands next to the
stem and you head as far down as you can get it.

What is the speed at which a TT bike makes a significant contribution?
Enlighten us.

-RJ

Mad Dog said:

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Hey, Joe, where ya goin' with yer eyes closed?

Quoted message said:

The best guys in our club 10km TT are all just under 14 minutes. There
are a bunch under 14:30. They all have full-on TT bikes. How good are
these guys? What USCF cat-level is that, sort of?

14 minutes ~ 26.6 mph

14.5 minutes ~ 25.7 mph

15.75 minutes ~ 23.6 mph

Sorry, I still have to think in mph for TTs. Top tour riders do well over 30
mph in much longer TTs, so 14 minutes for 10K is nowhere near world class. I've
seen cat 3 riders go faster on a 10 mile TT that was reasonably flat. I
personally have done just a handful of TTs shorter than 10 miles. For sure
fitness is key on the short races but to me, attitude on the day of the race was
always a huge factor on the many 10 milers I've done. If you can get mentally
ready to suffer and then not blow it by going out too fast or too slow, then at
least you will get to suffer even if you have a slow day.

23.6 is nothing to laugh at. If you stick with it, you'll probably beat that
time. The advice given you here is solid, although unlike Tom, I recommend you
to absolutely, positively get yourself a full-on TT bike. [censored], if I went out
and laid down the big bucks for a new ride, I'm damn sure I'd kick the [censored]
outta my PR. Go do it and if you puke all over those snazz aero bars, you can
curse me at will.

We have a local TT that we do which is about 20 km and has 600 feet of
climbing in it with several sections of approximately 6% for more than
100 yards both going up and coming down. My best time is around 35
minutes for an average of 20.5 mph.

I've done this on a TT bike and on a normal bike and SURPISE! a normal
bike is faster. At speeds below 25 mph a TT bike adds almost nothing to
your speed. The difference in drag is almost indetectable and TT bikes
are generally heavier and accelerate slower.

Moreover, unless you spend countless hours on a TT bike the position is
foreign enough that you put out less power in that position.

Quoted message said:

We have a local TT that we do which is about 20 km and has 600 feet of
climbing in it with several sections of approximately 6% for more than
100 yards both going up and coming down. My best time is around 35
minutes for an average of 20.5 mph.

I've done this on a TT bike and on a normal bike and SURPISE! a normal
bike is faster. At speeds below 25 mph a TT bike adds almost nothing to
your speed. The difference in drag is almost indetectable and TT bikes
are generally heavier and accelerate slower.

Moreover, unless you spend countless hours on a TT bike the position is
foreign enough that you put out less power in that position.

Are you saying that 25 mph is the speed?

-RJ

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r.b.* is a borderline case, with a fair number of fruitcakes,
particularly among those who also know what Usenet is.

Surely, if you know what Usenet is, you're by definition a fruitcake?

Oh, AI .sig generator right on target as usual.

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