A Good Thing

Angela said:

From skimming the posts I found 4 (?) people who
are not here to demonize alternative medicine.

All of the genuine demonizing in this newsgroup comes from
Jew-hating religious bigots. Here are some examples from
Jan Drew's postings in the last 3 months:

Are all the etheists here, who have been decived by Satan.
Some choosing lifestyles that are condemned in the bible.

It is pathetic and evil to not care one bit for suffering people,
because of ego, and is certainly wthout a doubt led by Satan.

This is all done in an effort to LEAVE the lies alone.
And in fact is led by Satan.

I truly believe it is the work of Satan.
They know they are lying, and it is plain to see, It appears to me
that Satan has hardened their hearts so much they don't even care.
The bible speaks of the evils of the last days, from what I have
witnessed here, organized medicine is one of the huge evils.

More atheists know it all insulting attitude.
Taught by Satan.

The group here are mostly atheists and jews, (who falsely believe
they are enlightened) and need to have an argument going, thinking
they can boast their ego. They tell lies, twist what is said, and
IMHO are lead by Satan.

Satan has them fooled, just as he did EVE.

I am sorry Eric, but your choice of likestyle is displeasing in God's
sight, and is not how he created man. It is a product of Satan.

Furthermore you can see what a number Satan has done on the
cranky [censored], who brag about it, the bold faced liars and those
who make up LIES, like you. It is noted you couldn't back up your
false claim about what I said. The posters here whose sole purpose
is to protect their EGO. And all love and concern is gone, replaced
with hatred, belittling and making fun of others.

No, I find it as it was from the beginning of time, when Satan
debunked God's word.

Yes Jesus was a jew, his own people rejected him.
They debunked all his words and works, and now debunking and
lies are second nature to them. That is how Satan works.

"Angela" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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From skimming the posts I found 4 (?) people who are not here to
demonize alternative medicine.

Anyway, I thought it would be good thing if this newsgroup began a
postive thread for people who come looking to find something. I
thought we - the people outside the box- could make a list of things
to improve health. The requirements are that anything listed has to
be easy to do and inexpensive.

OK. I'll try.

Don't smoke or drink alcohol to excess.

Plenty of regular exercise.

Varied diet including plenty of fruit and vegetables.

Keep body weight down.

Take a multivitamin if you want, so long as this does not entail neglecting
your diet.

Introduce your kids to healthy lifestyles at an early age.

A few well-proved medical screening procedures, eg blood pressure check,
lipid profile and other matters depending on family history.. .

That's about it.

Peter Moran

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"Mark Thorson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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Yes Jesus was a jew, his own people rejected him.
They debunked all his words and works, and now debunking and
lies are second nature to them. That is how Satan works.

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You can just not respond.

For once, we are in complete agreement.

le 3ieme moo

In article <[email hidden]>, Rich<,@.>

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(Angela) said:

From skimming the posts I found 4 (?) people who are not here to
demonize alternative medicine.

Do you think that expressing skepticism of specific alternative
medicine claims is "demonizing"??

Yes, it appears to me that she does.

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|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
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Dude... isn't this a site about health and supplements and stuff... what's
up with all of this crazy hate talk?!?! Am I missing something?

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Angela said:

From skimming the posts I found 4 (?) people who
are not here to demonize alternative medicine.

All of the genuine demonizing in this newsgroup comes from
Jew-hating religious bigots. Here are some examples from
Jan Drew's postings in the last 3 months:

Are all the etheists here, who have been decived by Satan.
Some choosing lifestyles that are condemned in the bible.

It is pathetic and evil to not care one bit for suffering people,
because of ego, and is certainly wthout a doubt led by Satan.

This is all done in an effort to LEAVE the lies alone.
And in fact is led by Satan.

I truly believe it is the work of Satan.
They know they are lying, and it is plain to see, It appears to me
that Satan has hardened their hearts so much they don't even care.
The bible speaks of the evils of the last days, from what I have
witnessed here, organized medicine is one of the huge evils.

More atheists know it all insulting attitude.
Taught by Satan.

The group here are mostly atheists and jews, (who falsely believe
they are enlightened) and need to have an argument going, thinking
they can boast their ego. They tell lies, twist what is said, and
IMHO are lead by Satan.

Satan has them fooled, just as he did EVE.

I am sorry Eric, but your choice of likestyle is displeasing in God's
sight, and is not how he created man. It is a product of Satan.

Furthermore you can see what a number Satan has done on the
cranky [censored], who brag about it, the bold faced liars and those
who make up LIES, like you. It is noted you couldn't back up your
false claim about what I said. The posters here whose sole purpose
is to protect their EGO. And all love and concern is gone, replaced
with hatred, belittling and making fun of others.

No, I find it as it was from the beginning of time, when Satan
debunked God's word.

Yes Jesus was a jew, his own people rejected him.
They debunked all his words and works, and now debunking and
lies are second nature to them. That is how Satan works.

In article <[email hidden]>,

(Jan) said:

Quoted message said:

Subject: A Good Thing
From: [email hidden] (Angela)
Date: 8/5/2003 10:27 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

From skimming the posts I found 4 (?) people who are not here to
demonize alternative medicine.

Or try to personally trash those who have used it seccussfully, even to the
point of using one's ill and even dead parents to belittle. Since, you are
new
you have just scratched the surface.

Indeed. Jan is one of the nastiest on this newsgroup. She frequently
calls those with whom she disagrees "liars" and accuses them of being
"influenced by Satan."

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Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"

Just a bunch of [censored]. I see very little of it anymore. Just killfilter
anybody that mentions Jan.

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Dude... isn't this a site about health and supplements and stuff... what's
up with all of this crazy hate talk?!?! Am I missing something?

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Angela said:

From skimming the posts I found 4 (?) people who
are not here to demonize alternative medicine.

All of the genuine demonizing in this newsgroup comes from
Jew-hating religious bigots. Here are some examples from
Jan Drew's postings in the last 3 months:

Are all the etheists here, who have been decived by Satan.
Some choosing lifestyles that are condemned in the bible.

It is pathetic and evil to not care one bit for suffering people,
because of ego, and is certainly wthout a doubt led by Satan.

This is all done in an effort to LEAVE the lies alone.
And in fact is led by Satan.

I truly believe it is the work of Satan.
They know they are lying, and it is plain to see, It appears to me
that Satan has hardened their hearts so much they don't even care.
The bible speaks of the evils of the last days, from what I have
witnessed here, organized medicine is one of the huge evils.

More atheists know it all insulting attitude.
Taught by Satan.

The group here are mostly atheists and jews, (who falsely believe
they are enlightened) and need to have an argument going, thinking
they can boast their ego. They tell lies, twist what is said, and
IMHO are lead by Satan.

Satan has them fooled, just as he did EVE.

I am sorry Eric, but your choice of likestyle is displeasing in God's
sight, and is not how he created man. It is a product of Satan.

Furthermore you can see what a number Satan has done on the
cranky [censored], who brag about it, the bold faced liars and those
who make up LIES, like you. It is noted you couldn't back up your
false claim about what I said. The posters here whose sole purpose
is to protect their EGO. And all love and concern is gone, replaced
with hatred, belittling and making fun of others.

No, I find it as it was from the beginning of time, when Satan
debunked God's word.

Yes Jesus was a jew, his own people rejected him.
They debunked all his words and works, and now debunking and
lies are second nature to them. That is how Satan works.

In said:

From skimming the posts I found 4 (?) people who are not here to
demonize alternative medicine.

Anyway, I thought it would be good thing if this newsgroup began a
postive thread for people who come looking to find something. I
thought we - the people outside the box- could make a list of things
to improve health. The requirements are that anything listed has to
be easy to do and inexpensive. So what do you alternatives think of
this idea? What other requirements would you like to see for the
items in the list? etc. Who knows we may get some of the people back
who had lots of good information and gave their time to this
newsgroup. Or maybe we might attract some new people we would like to
see here. At the very least we might get an idea from the list that
we can use.

I will start:

1. Have a bowl of cooked oat porridge for breakfast - unless you're
allergic to oats.

Grind the oats yourself, by hand.

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| it more difficult for a software vendor to induce customers to pay |
| for new products or new versions of existing products." |
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In said:

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Subject: A Good Thing
From: [email hidden] (Angela)
Date: 8/5/2003 10:27 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

From skimming the posts I found 4 (?) people who are not here to
demonize alternative medicine.

Or try to personally trash those who have used it seccussfully, even to the
point of using one's ill and even dead parents to belittle. Since, you are new
you have just scratched the surface.

Sad that this ng has a bunch of truly frustrated debunkers who wish to sling
mud, call names and use filthy language.

If you asked anyone of them what they would do in case of a very serious
illness and conventional medicine had no answers, you either get no reply or
they wouldn't do anything that had not been proven. Of course, they have not
one cluse as to saying this, because no one knows until it happens to them.

Then there is the lying and making things up. Proven over and over, and still
denied, and repeated.

Well, yes, but you could stop if you really wanted to.

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Ignore Richard Jacobson as he is a known liar and cyberstalker.

Jan

So much for:

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Anyway, I thought it would be good thing if this newsgroup began a
postive thread for people who come looking to find something.

Oh, well.

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| Microsoft: "A reputation for releasing inferior software will make |
| it more difficult for a software vendor to induce customers to pay |
| for new products or new versions of existing products." |
end

In article <[email hidden]>,

Anth said:

Eat like a gorilla - evolution isn't wrong.

Eat like a chimpanzee -- closer to you in evolutionary terms, and it's
nice having meat in your diet.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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Anth

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Peter Moran said:

"Angela" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

From skimming the posts I found 4 (?) people who are not here to
demonize alternative medicine.

Anyway, I thought it would be good thing if this newsgroup began a
postive thread for people who come looking to find something. I
thought we - the people outside the box- could make a list of things
to improve health. The requirements are that anything listed has to
be easy to do and inexpensive.

OK. I'll try.

Don't smoke or drink alcohol to excess.

Plenty of regular exercise.

Varied diet including plenty of fruit and vegetables.

Keep body weight down.

Take a multivitamin if you want, so long as this does not entail neglecting
your diet.

Introduce your kids to healthy lifestyles at an early age.

A few well-proved medical screening procedures, eg blood pressure check,
lipid profile and other matters depending on family history.. .

That's about it.

Oh, not entirely. You left out getting a good night's sleep every
night (if possible -- I know you new parents have trouble with that
one), and minimizing stress.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

On Wed, 06 Aug 2003 03:34:46 GMT, [email hidden] (David

Wright) said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Anth said:

Eat like a gorilla - evolution isn't wrong.

Eat like a chimpanzee -- closer to you in evolutionary terms, and it's
nice having meat in your diet.

What about bonobos, they seem to have more fun.

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-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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Anth

"Angela" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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WB said:

On Wed, 06 Aug 2003 03:34:46 GMT, [email hidden] (David

Wright) said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Anth said:

Eat like a gorilla - evolution isn't wrong.

Eat like a chimpanzee -- closer to you in evolutionary terms, and it's
nice having meat in your diet.

What about bonobos, they seem to have more fun.

They're who I had in mind, but most people wouldn't know the term.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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Anth

"Angela" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Opportunities said:

Dude... isn't this a site about health and supplements and stuff... what's
up with all of this crazy hate talk?!?! Am I missing something?

Good question.

No, you got most of what Jan Drew says about people who are not
Christians of her persuasion.

It is sad that she, and others, have interjected their hatred of
non-Christians into this group in order to demonize those with whom they
disagree. they do this because they lack factual support for their wild
claims and theories.

Jan said:

Then there is the lying and making things up. Proven over and over, and still
denied, and repeated.

Yes, jan does make things up, like calling people liars when she does
not understand their logic or reasoning.

She also slings her own anti-semetic mud, and, using her own words...

Jan the Antisemite says:

What do you know of the Ten Commandments Jewboy

Jan the Antisemite says:

Lying and debunking is second nature to them (Jews)

Jan the Antisemite says:

Jews and atheists are the debunkers and liars in this newsgroup.

And then after the following post by the racist and antisemite Debbee
Adams Jan said "It does appear that way":

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>I am beginning to think there are dentists who are among those who

are paid

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>to
>talk against the anti-amalgam campaign, and I am beginning to

wonder which

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>ethnic group of people owns those dental supply businesses? I

understand there

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>is one large ethnic group that pushes their "people" into the

medical field,

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>and those that cannot stand the sight of blood end up as lobbyists,

teachers,

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>politicians, entertainers, etc., and that anyone that goes against

"their thinking" is ridiculed. The problem being, I am beginning to
think all of

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>thismuch to do about nothing in the field of alternative medicine

is all true about

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>this particular heritage, and maybe a certain European leader was

right long

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time ago.

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>The "almighty" dollar is the most important material object in this

culture's

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>life. Not all of the people connected, are of that nature, but I'm

beginning

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>to understand why the attacks on the U.S. were planned on the

cities that were

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>chosen.
>It's not just alternative medicine that has been attempted to be
>hijacked...it
>all because of pure GREED, that has some of these people so possessed,
>that they feel they are OWED for something that happened years AGO.

Instead

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>of
>"getting over it", like most people do, that have been abused, they

keep

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>abusing others that are not of that culture, in an attempt to "even the
>score."

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Yes, it does appear that way, along with the ole EGO thingie.

Jan

"Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Subject: A Good Thing
From: [email hidden] (Angela)
Date: 8/5/2003 10:27 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

From skimming the posts I found 4 (?) people who are not here to
demonize alternative medicine.

Or try to personally trash those who have used it seccussfully, even to

the

Quoted message said:

point of using one's ill and even dead parents to belittle. Since, you are

new

Quoted message said:

you have just scratched the surface.

Sad that this ng has a bunch of truly frustrated debunkers who wish to

sling

Quoted message said:

mud, call names and use filthy language.

If you asked anyone of them what they would do in case of a very serious
illness and conventional medicine had no answers, you either get no reply

or

Quoted message said:

they wouldn't do anything that had not been proven. Of course, they have

not

Quoted message said:

one cluse as to saying this, because no one knows until it happens to

them.

Quoted message said:

Then there is the lying and making things up. Proven over and over, and

still

Quoted message said:

denied, and repeated.

Quoted message said:

Anyway, I thought it would be good thing if this newsgroup began a
postive thread for people who come looking to find something. I
thought we - the people outside the box- could make a list of things
to improve health. The requirements are that anything listed has to
be easy to do and inexpensive. So what do you alternatives think of
this idea? What other requirements would you like to see for the
items in the list? etc. Who knows we may get some of the people back
who had lots of good information and gave their time to this
newsgroup. Or maybe we might attract some new people we would like to
see here. At the very least we might get an idea from the list that
we can use.

I will start:

1. Have a bowl of cooked oat porridge for breakfast - unless you're
allergic to oats.

I'll add including exercise with friends/family instead of lounging around.
Biking, walking, even bowling are fun, healthy ways to spend time with
others. Inexpensive too.

Michele
I ENJOY being a cranky [censored].

I don't eat any meat and I'm fine.
Anth

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In article <[email hidden]>,

Anth said:

Eat like a gorilla - evolution isn't wrong.

Eat like a chimpanzee -- closer to you in evolutionary terms, and it's
nice having meat in your diet.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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Anth

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In article <[email hidden]>,

Anth said:

I don't eat any meat and I'm fine.

So you think. [Just as long as you don't go bragging about it. I get
so sick of smug vegetarians. As if they really had anything to be
smug about.]

However, I didn't say you *had* to eat meat, just that it was nice to
be able to do so. Plus it has evolutionary justification.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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In article <[email hidden]>,

Anth said:

Eat like a gorilla - evolution isn't wrong.

Eat like a chimpanzee -- closer to you in evolutionary terms, and it's
nice having meat in your diet.

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Anth

Jan said:

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Subject: Re: A Good Thing
From: "Anth" [email hidden]
Date: 8/7/2003 1:11 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

I don't eat any meat and I'm fine.
Anth

Not to mention it was God's original plan.

Why did He invent fire, charcoal and steak that tasts so good?