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  1. I have a rusty old road bike that I've been fixing up over the year.
    I've changed the brakes, replaced the cables, the tires and tubing,
    etc.

    After all these fixes, however, I still have one major problem with
    the bike: the gears. Only 2 of the 12 speeds actually stick, and I
    rarely switch between them anyway. I was thinking of dumping the whole
    thing and just making it fixed gear bike.

    I have two questions for you all: First, how hard would it be to
    convert a 12 speed road bike to a fixed gear? I'd do the work myself,
    but would the parts be expensive? Second, what would be the best gear
    ratio for my bike? I mostly use it to get to around town - nothing too
    strenuous; the terrain is relatively flat, but I like to move
    quickly.

    Thanks for your advice -

  2. wightstraker said:

    I have a rusty old road bike that I've been fixing up over the year.
    I've changed the brakes, replaced the cables, the tires and tubing,
    etc.

    After all these fixes, however, I still have one major problem with
    the bike: the gears. Only 2 of the 12 speeds actually stick, and I
    rarely switch between them anyway. I was thinking of dumping the whole
    thing and just making it fixed gear bike.

    I have two questions for you all: First, how hard would it be to
    convert a 12 speed road bike to a fixed gear? I'd do the work myself,
    but would the parts be expensive? Second, what would be the best gear
    ratio for my bike? I mostly use it to get to around town - nothing too
    strenuous; the terrain is relatively flat, but I like to move
    quickly.

    Thanks for your advice -

    Besides the coolness factor of converting to a fixed gear, a reasonable
    alternative might be to continue riding it the way you are doing now.
    Find a gear ratio that works for you and stick with it. Not trying to
    be flip with this answer, but that would accomplish your purpose.

  3. catzz66 said:
    wightstraker said:

    I have a rusty old road bike that I've been fixing up over the year.
    I've changed the brakes, replaced the cables, the tires and tubing,
    etc.

    Quoted message said:

    After all these fixes, however, I still have one major problem with
    the bike: the gears. Only 2 of the 12 speeds actually stick, and I
    rarely switch between them anyway. I was thinking of dumping the whole
    thing and just making it fixed gear bike.

    Quoted message said:

    I have two questions for you all: First, how hard would it be to
    convert a 12 speed road bike to a fixed gear? I'd do the work myself,
    but would the parts be expensive? Second, what would be the best gear
    ratio for my bike? I mostly use it to get to around town - nothing too
    strenuous; the terrain is relatively flat, but I like to move
    quickly.

    Quoted message said:

    Thanks for your advice -

    Besides the coolness factor of converting to a fixed gear, a reasonable
    alternative might be to continue riding it the way you are doing now.
    Find a gear ratio that works for you and stick with it. Not trying to
    be flip with this answer, but that would accomplish your purpose.

    Good point. That's essentially how I've been riding now. I just feel a
    little silly riding around with a bunch of gears I don't need. I also
    have some practical issues too: Extra gears add weight, and require a
    lot more maintenance. Nobody likes a popped chain...

  4. "wightstraker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    catzz66 said:
    wightstraker said:

    I have a rusty old road bike that I've been fixing up over the year.
    I've changed the brakes, replaced the cables, the tires and tubing,
    etc.

    Quoted message said:

    After all these fixes, however, I still have one major problem with
    the bike: the gears. Only 2 of the 12 speeds actually stick, and I
    rarely switch between them anyway. I was thinking of dumping the whole
    thing and just making it fixed gear bike.

    Quoted message said:

    I have two questions for you all: First, how hard would it be to
    convert a 12 speed road bike to a fixed gear? I'd do the work myself,
    but would the parts be expensive? Second, what would be the best gear
    ratio for my bike? I mostly use it to get to around town - nothing too
    strenuous; the terrain is relatively flat, but I like to move
    quickly.

    Quoted message said:

    Thanks for your advice -

    Besides the coolness factor of converting to a fixed gear, a reasonable
    alternative might be to continue riding it the way you are doing now.
    Find a gear ratio that works for you and stick with it. Not trying to
    be flip with this answer, but that would accomplish your purpose.

    Good point. That's essentially how I've been riding now. I just feel a
    little silly riding around with a bunch of gears I don't need. I also
    have some practical issues too: Extra gears add weight, and require a
    lot more maintenance. Nobody likes a popped chain...

    And I guess you looked at the derailleur cable being tight enough to keep it
    changed.
    What are you doing to pop a chain.
    I really do not maintain my free wheel much except to power wash it once in
    a blue moon. Maintaining an clean chain is harder for me and you cannot do
    with out those yet.

  5. wightstraker said:
    catzz66 said:
    wightstraker said:

    I have a rusty old road bike that I've been fixing up over the year.
    I've changed the brakes, replaced the cables, the tires and tubing,
    etc.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    After all these fixes, however, I still have one major problem with
    the bike: the gears. Only 2 of the 12 speeds actually stick, and I
    rarely switch between them anyway. I was thinking of dumping the whole
    thing and just making it fixed gear bike.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I have two questions for you all: First, how hard would it be to
    convert a 12 speed road bike to a fixed gear? I'd do the work myself,
    but would the parts be expensive? Second, what would be the best gear
    ratio for my bike? I mostly use it to get to around town - nothing too
    strenuous; the terrain is relatively flat, but I like to move
    quickly.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Thanks for your advice -

    Quoted message said:

    Besides the coolness factor of converting to a fixed gear, a reasonable
    alternative might be to continue riding it the way you are doing now.
    Find a gear ratio that works for you and stick with it. Not trying to
    be flip with this answer, but that would accomplish your purpose.

    Good point. That's essentially how I've been riding now. I just feel a
    little silly riding around with a bunch of gears I don't need. I also
    have some practical issues too: Extra gears add weight, and require a
    lot more maintenance. Nobody likes a popped chain...

    First read this:
    http://www.sheldonbrown.com/fixed-conversion.html

    If you have vertical dropouts, it's possible, but can be a real PITA
    to go fixed, but singlespeed with a tensioner is always an option.

    If you have a screw on freewheel, remove it and thread on a track cog
    with some locking compound. Use an old bottom bracket lock ring to
    snug it up if you have enough threads. Don't "engine brake" till
    you've climbed a nice big hill to torque it on. Leave both brakes
    installed. You'll need to move the axle and redish the wheel to get
    the chainline right.

    If it's a 6speed cassette hub, then you have a number of options:
    Replace the freehub body with a Surly Fixxer, no redishing necessary.
    A bit expensive
    Use spacers (or PVC pipe), and a Shimano DX ($5) and make a cool
    single speed.
    Rebuild wheel on a fixed gear hub.

    Gear ratio: if you use your 42t ring up front then 16t in the rear is
    great for rolling terrain. 15t is good for flats or if you're a strong
    climber, 17t if it's pretty hilly and you don't want to get all veiny.

  6. wightstraker said:


    Quoted message said:

    Besides the coolness factor of converting to a fixed gear, a reasonable
    alternative might be to continue riding it the way you are doing now.
    Find a gear ratio that works for you and stick with it. Not trying to
    be flip with this answer, but that would accomplish your purpose.

    Good point. That's essentially how I've been riding now. I just feel a
    little silly riding around with a bunch of gears I don't need. I also
    have some practical issues too: Extra gears add weight, and require a
    lot more maintenance. Nobody likes a popped chain...

    That was just what someone advised me. I continued riding the old Fuji
    I had bought until I was ready to go to something more modern.

  7. wightstraker said:

    I have two questions for you all: First, how hard would it be to
    convert a 12 speed road bike to a fixed gear?

    Trivial.

    Quoted message said:

    I'd do the work myself,
    but would the parts be expensive?

    It can be done on the cheap, for the price of a sprocket ($15) and a
    chain ($10). That requires you to:

    1) remove dérailleurs, cable, shifters.

    2) remove chainrings, and put the bigger one where the smaller one was,
    on the inside of the spider. You may want to get shorter chainring
    bolts, or jerry-rig a few washers to space it out.

    3) Remove the freewheel (as it's a 6-speed rear, I presume it's a
    freewheel), and put the sprocket on. It will tighten when you start to
    ride, but be careful not to apply back-pressure on the pedals until you
    have some miles on it, preferably including some hills.

    You may have trouble with the chainline. Ideally, the plane of the
    chainring should be the same as that determined by the sprocket. The
    sprocket may be offset by a couple millimeters without trouble, but more
    than that could make it prone to dropping a chain, which is bad. If the
    sprocket is very much too far in (this is likely), you can try

    a) putting a spacer in between the sprocket and the hub. Some cassette
    spacers work well, but get a metal one if you can.

    b) re-centering the hub on the axle. If you look, there is a big spacer
    on the right side of the axle that pushes the hub to the left, to make
    room for the freewheel. Take that off, and get two about half the size,
    and put one on either side. Sometimes you're lucky and the spacer is
    actually several pieces. Juggle them around until the chainline is
    right. Then, you have to re-dish the wheel to keep the centerline of
    the rim midway between the dropouts.

    Quoted message said:

    Second, what would be the best gear
    ratio for my bike? I mostly use it to get to around town - nothing too
    strenuous; the terrain is relatively flat, but I like to move
    quickly.

    Pay attention to the gear you like to use most for this sort of riding
    when on your geared bike. Figure the ratio, and match it as closely as
    you can. Be willing to shell out for extra sprockets, to be able to
    change gears to accommodate your conditioning, road conditions, and
    rides. I have every size from a 12 to a 21. I haven't used the 12, it
    was given to me as a joke. But I have ridden with all the others, for
    one reason or another.

    --

    David L. Johnson

    "Business!" cried the Ghost. "Mankind was my business. The common
    welfare was my business; charity, mercy, forbearance, and
    benevolence, were, all, my business. The dealings of my trade were but
    a drop of water in the comprehensive ocean of my business!" --Dickens,

  8. Thanks to all of you for your thoughtful, detailed advice. I'm much
    more confident about "making the switch" now.

  9. wightstraker said:

    I have a rusty old road bike that I've been fixing up over the year.
    I've changed the brakes, replaced the cables, the tires and tubing,
    etc.

    After all these fixes, however, I still have one major problem with
    the bike: the gears. Only 2 of the 12 speeds actually stick, and I
    rarely switch between them anyway. I was thinking of dumping the whole
    thing and just making it fixed gear bike.

    I have two questions for you all: First, how hard would it be to
    convert a 12 speed road bike to a fixed gear? I'd do the work myself,
    but would the parts be expensive? Second, what would be the best gear
    ratio for my bike? I mostly use it to get to around town - nothing too
    strenuous; the terrain is relatively flat, but I like to move
    quickly.

    Thanks for your advice -

    If it's a freewheel type rear wheel with a horizontal dropout type
    frame, all you need is a cog, a chain and short chaintring bolts,
    about $30. Use the inner ring only(take the big one off), take the
    freewheel off, add the cog, size the chain, take off the derailleurs
    and go ride. I use a 42-16 for all around city type riding.

  10. On Mar 8, 11:47 pm, "David L. Johnson" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    wightstraker said:

    I have two questions for you all: First, how hard would it be to
    convert a 12 speed road bike to a fixed gear?

    Trivial.

    Quoted message said:

    I'd do the work myself,
    but would the parts be expensive?

    It can be done on the cheap, for the price of a sprocket ($15) and a
    chain ($10). That requires you to:

    1) remove dérailleurs, cable, shifters.

    2) remove chainrings, and put the bigger one where the smaller one was,
    on the inside of the spider. You may want to get shorter chainring
    bolts, or jerry-rig a few washers to space it out.

    3) Remove the freewheel (as it's a 6-speed rear, I presume it's a
    freewheel), and put the sprocket on. It will tighten when you start to
    ride, but be careful not to apply back-pressure on the pedals until you
    have some miles on it, preferably including some hills.

    You may have trouble with the chainline. Ideally, the plane of the
    chainring should be the same as that determined by the sprocket. The
    sprocket may be offset by a couple millimeters without trouble, but more
    than that could make it prone to dropping a chain, which is bad. If the
    sprocket is very much too far in (this is likely), you can try

    a) putting a spacer in between the sprocket and the hub. Some cassette
    spacers work well, but get a metal one if you can.

    b) re-centering the hub on the axle. If you look, there is a big spacer
    on the right side of the axle that pushes the hub to the left, to make
    room for the freewheel. Take that off, and get two about half the size,
    and put one on either side. Sometimes you're lucky and the spacer is
    actually several pieces. Juggle them around until the chainline is
    right. Then, you have to re-dish the wheel to keep the centerline of
    the rim midway between the dropouts.

    Quoted message said:

    Second, what would be the best gear
    ratio for my bike? I mostly use it to get to around town - nothing too
    strenuous; the terrain is relatively flat, but I like to move
    quickly.

    Pay attention to the gear you like to use most for this sort of riding
    when on your geared bike. Figure the ratio, and match it as closely as
    you can. Be willing to shell out for extra sprockets, to be able to
    change gears to accommodate your conditioning, road conditions, and
    rides. I have every size from a 12 to a 21. I haven't used the 12, it
    was given to me as a joke. But I have ridden with all the others, for
    one reason or another.

    This sounds like a great low budget way to get the project done,
    assuming horizontal dropouts. If the bike has vertical dropouts, you
    still need a chain tensioner of some sort. I suppose a budget version
    could be the existing derailer, with a very short length of cable
    fastened to the frame at a given tension.

  11. Quoted message said:


    This sounds like a great low budget way to get the project done,
    assuming horizontal dropouts. If the bike has vertical dropouts, you
    still need a chain tensioner of some sort. I suppose a budget version
    could be the existing derailer, with a very short length of cable
    fastened to the frame at a given tension.

    Right on the first part, but I presume that it does have horizontal
    dropouts, since it's a 12-speed. That would be a pretty old bike.

    On the other hand, you cannot use a chain tensioner with a fixed gear.
    You have to either use an eccentric hub, or be very lucky with the
    choice of gearing so that the chain tension is right. With that you
    also have to worry about chain wear.

    Quoted message said:

    --

    David L. Johnson

    "Business!" cried the Ghost. "Mankind was my business. The common
    welfare was my business; charity, mercy, forbearance, and
    benevolence, were, all, my business. The dealings of my trade were but
    a drop of water in the comprehensive ocean of my business!" --Dickens,

  12. On Mar 9, 10:21 am, "David L. Johnson" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Right on the first part, but I presume that it does have horizontal
    dropouts, since it's a 12-speed. That would be a pretty old bike.

    On the other hand, you cannot use a chain tensioner with a fixed gear.
    You have to either use an eccentric hub, or be very lucky with the
    choice of gearing so that the chain tension is right. With that you
    also have to worry about chain wear.

    Right you are Sir. I somehow mentally transposed my singlespeed,
    which has a single speed freewheel, into this instance. Fixed with
    vertical dropouts would require lots of luck or extremely careful
    gearing choice, and still may not be possible. Singlespeed, on the
    other hand, could be accomplished easily enough even with vertical
    dropouts through a tensioner (or the old derailer rigged as such).
    Hopefully for the OP, you're right and the dropouts are horizontal.

    Dan

  13. David L. Johnson said:
    wightstraker said:

    I have two questions for you all: First, how hard would it be to
    convert a 12 speed road bike to a fixed gear?

    Trivial.

    Quoted message said:

    I'd do the work myself,
    but would the parts be expensive?

    It can be done on the cheap, for the price of a sprocket ($15) and a
    chain ($10). That requires you to:

    1) remove dérailleurs, cable, shifters.

    2) remove chainrings, and put the bigger one where the smaller one was,
    on the inside of the spider.

    Unless you're a real gear-masher, you may want to leave the inner ring
    where it is and just remove the outer ring.

    Quoted message said:

    You may want to get shorter chainring bolts, or jerry-rig a few
    washers to space it out.

    BMX single chainring bolts are cheap, effective and widely available.

    Quoted message said:

    3) Remove the freewheel (as it's a 6-speed rear, I presume it's a
    freewheel), and put the sprocket on. It will tighten when you start to
    ride, but be careful not to apply back-pressure on the pedals until you
    have some miles on it, preferably including some hills.

    For added security, put a bottom bracket lockring on to help hold the
    cog in place. Another option would be to use a single cog BMX freewheel
    intead of a fixed cog. You can pick one up at the same place you get the
    chainring bolts... :-)

    Quoted message said:

    You may have trouble with the chainline. Ideally, the plane of the
    chainring should be the same as that determined by the sprocket. The
    sprocket may be offset by a couple millimeters without trouble, but more
    than that could make it prone to dropping a chain, which is bad. If the
    sprocket is very much too far in (this is likely), you can try

    a) putting a spacer in between the sprocket and the hub. Some cassette
    spacers work well, but get a metal one if you can.

    Sturmey-Archer cog spacers are just the ticket for this job. They can
    also be used under the bottom bracket fixed cup if you need to move the
    ring out a little.

    As long as your chainring and cog are designed for 3/32" width chain,
    you can just shorten your current chain to make it work with the new
    setup.

    --

    John ([email hidden])

  14. wightstraker said:

    but would the parts be expensive? Second, what would be the best gear
    ratio for my bike? I mostly use it to get to around town - nothing too
    strenuous; the terrain is relatively flat, but I like to move
    quickly.

    it is a lot of fun riding a fixie as such. The fun doubles/triples on
    hills. mashing you way up the hill and spinning like crazy on the downhill.

    big gear:
    pro: spin slower on the downhills
    con: you need bigger muscles to climb the hill

    low gear:
    pro: climbing uphill is a bit easier
    con: you spin even more on the downhills

    the best gear is one that balances your leg strength with leg speed. the
    magic number varies from person to person. try different numbers to find
    your number. even on flats, a lower gear will develop your spin -
    because if you want to get somewhere quick, you would be spinning really
    fast or even on your short sprints to get thru the traffic light will be
    a spin-a-rama.

    I am not sure whether pushing a big gear on flats develop power in your
    legs ?

    +ravi

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