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  1. Hi all,

    Since last year the four days of walking in Britain were much too
    short, I'm thinking of having a 14-18 days' walk this year - and in
    order to enlarge my geographical experience, I thought it would be
    nice to have a walk across or around Wales (never been there so far,
    what a shame).

    Is there some route to be recommended apart from the well-known ones
    (as Offa's Dyke Path)? Or a list of places to see ...

    I really don't know much about Wales I'm afraid, just the well-known
    facts that it contains Snowdonia, and the world's longest name of a
    train station, and a former hill somewhere which some Englishman went
    up until it became a mountain (oh, I really should have a look at
    that one!).

    I don't know yet whether I'll walk alone or have some friends with
    me. And I really don't need much comfort - a grassy level place to
    pitch my tent on is enough at the end of a day, and a foodstore every
    1-2 days would be nice 🙂

    .... now I would be glad if my vague ideas would cause some helpful
    echoes.

    vG

    --
    ~~~~~~ Volker Gringmuth ~~~~~~~~~~~ http://einklich.net/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Hoffnung bedeutet, überzeugt zu sein, daß es niemals zu spät ist.
    (Ludek Pachmann)

  2. "Volker Gringmuth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...
    Hi all,

    Since last year the four days of walking in Britain were much too
    short, I'm thinking of having a 14-18 days' walk this year - and in
    order to enlarge my geographical experience, I thought it would be
    nice to have a walk across or around Wales (never been there so far,
    what a shame).

    Is there some route to be recommended apart from the well-known ones
    (as Offa's Dyke Path)? Or a list of places to see ...

    I really don't know much about Wales I'm afraid, just the well-known
    facts that it contains Snowdonia, and the world's longest name of a
    train station, and a former hill somewhere which some Englishman went
    up until it became a mountain (oh, I really should have a look at
    that one!).

    I don't know yet whether I'll walk alone or have some friends with
    me. And I really don't need much comfort - a grassy level place to
    pitch my tent on is enough at the end of a day, and a foodstore every
    1-2 days would be nice 🙂

    .... now I would be glad if my vague ideas would cause some helpful
    echoes.

    vG

    --
    ~~~~~~ Volker Gringmuth ~~~~~~~~~~~ http://einklich.net/
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Hoffnung bedeutet, überzeugt zu sein, daß es niemals zu spät ist.
    (Ludek
    Pachmann)

    How about the Pembrokeshire Coast Path? I haven't done the walk myself, but
    the coastline is stunning.

    Details to be found here
    http://www.pembrokeshirecoast.org.uk/english/out_and_about/walking/coastpath_walks/coast_path.asp

  3. Volker Gringmuth

    Quoted message said:

    Is there some route to be recommended apart from the well-known ones
    (as Offa's Dyke Path)? Or a list of places to see ...

    If you're taking that much time then how about picking out the most
    choice sections of Offa's Dyke, Glynwr's Way and the Pembroke
    Coast Path. you'll definitely get a good sample then.

    Chris

  4. Chris Gilbert said:
    Quoted message said:

    Is there some route to be recommended apart from the well-known
    ones (as Offa's Dyke Path)? Or a list of places to see ...

    If you're taking that much time then how about picking out the
    most choice sections of Offa's Dyke, Glynwr's Way and the
    Pembroke Coast Path. you'll definitely get a good sample then.

    That doesn't sound too bad 🙂 Could you give some more details pls?
    Which are the most choice sections for an absolute Wales beginner?

    vG

    --
    ~~~~~~ Volker Gringmuth ~~~~~~~~~~~ http://einklich.net/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    "ja ja, der Blues wurde bekanntlich am 5.9.1903 um 04:28 Uhr im Hinterzimmer ei-
    ner Bar in New Orleans, Basinstreet Nr. 54 erfunden. Die beteiligten Whiskyfla-
    schen sind heute noch dort zu besichtigen." (Helmut Rosenhammer in drmm)

  5. Ysgrifennodd "Volker Gringmuth" <[email hidden]> mewn neges
    newyddion:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Chris Gilbert said:
    Quoted message said:

    Is there some route to be recommended apart from the well-known
    ones (as Offa's Dyke Path)? Or a list of places to see ...

    If you're taking that much time then how about picking out the
    most choice sections of Offa's Dyke, Glynwr's Way and the
    Pembroke Coast Path. you'll definitely get a good sample then.

    That doesn't sound too bad 🙂 Could you give some more details pls?
    Which are the most choice sections for an absolute Wales beginner?

    vG

    --
    ~~~~~~ Volker Gringmuth ~~~~~~~~~~~ http://einklich.net/
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    "ja ja, der Blues wurde bekanntlich am 5.9.1903 um 04:28 Uhr im
    Hinterzimmer ei-
    ner Bar in New Orleans, Basinstreet Nr. 54 erfunden. Die beteiligten
    Whiskyfla-
    schen sind heute noch dort zu besichtigen." (Helmut Rosenhammer in
    drmm)

    Volker,

    If you want hills, then a few days spent in Snowdonia wouldn't go amiss. If
    you want a couple of walks to there then i'd suggest, Snowdon, Nantlle
    Ridge, Siabod, Southern/Northern Carneddau and Glyderau from Ogwen. I'm not
    going to go into details here, but I have here ---> www.walkeryri.org.uk.
    I've not covered every peak in here, but there are links to all the other
    snowdonia walking sites in there.

    http://www.walk-snowdonia.co.uk/ is also very informative, and covers a few
    more peaks.

    I can second the pembrokeshire coast trail, i did a tiny stretch in october
    and it's spectacular.

    If you're really up for a challenge, there's also the Cambrian Way,
    unofficial long distance footpath (
    http://www.walkeryri.org.uk/Other/ldp.htm has some links for this and
    Offa's Dyke, possibly Glyndwr's way too, full of flu so can't remember).
    But how *beginner* are you? The Pembrokeshire coast is relatively easy to
    navigate while the Cambrian Way has some very tricky section.

    Anyway, wherever you go, i hope you have an excellent trip.

    Hwyl

    T Dave R

    --

    Walk in Snowdonia
    www.walkeryri.org.uk

  6. Volker Gringmuth said:

    Is there some route to be recommended apart from the well-known ones
    (as Offa's Dyke Path)?

    You won't see the best of Wales on Offa's Dyke.

    Quoted message said:

    Or a list of places to see ...

    This map will give you a good idea of where the most scenic bits of Wales
    are;
    http://www.wales.gov.uk/subicountry/content/Image27.gif

    Snowdonia
    http://www.walesholidays.co.uk/sn-map.jpg

    Beacons
    http://www.walesholidays.co.uk/bb-map.jpg

    I believe the three most popular mountains in Wales are Snowdon, Cader Idris
    and Pen y Fan. The first two are in Snowdonia, the third in the Beacons.
    Tryfan in Snowdonia is also extremely popular if you like a steep rocky
    scramble.

    Paul

  7. "Paul Saunders" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Volker Gringmuth said:

    Is there some route to be recommended apart from the well-known ones
    (as Offa's Dyke Path)?

    You won't see the best of Wales on Offa's Dyke.

    10 days for the Pemb coast path missing out the bits around Milford

    http://www.pembrokeshirecoast.org.uk/english/out_and_about/walking/coastpath_walks/coast_path.asp

    --
    John Taverner
    Llangwm
    Pembrokeshire
    3m amsl
    all outgoing mail scanned by Norton

  8. In message <[email hidden]>, Paul Saunders
    <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:
    Volker Gringmuth said:

    Is there some route to be recommended apart from the well-known ones
    (as Offa's Dyke Path)?

    You won't see the best of Wales on Offa's Dyke.

    Quoted message said:

    Or a list of places to see ...

    This map will give you a good idea of where the most scenic bits of Wales
    are;
    http://www.wales.gov.uk/subicountry/content/Image27.gif

    Snowdonia
    http://www.walesholidays.co.uk/sn-map.jpg

    Beacons
    http://www.walesholidays.co.uk/bb-map.jpg

    I believe the three most popular mountains in Wales are Snowdon, Cader Idris
    and Pen y Fan. The first two are in Snowdonia, the third in the Beacons.
    Tryfan in Snowdonia is also extremely popular if you like a steep rocky
    scramble.

    Paul


    I disagree about Offa's Dyke Path - the central section in particular is
    great walking country (the 15 miles each side of Knighton), and the
    Black Mountains are also very fine. Bear in mind that not everyone just
    heads for the highest mountains. See the Offa's Dyke website at
    http://www.offasdyke.demon.co.uk/

    Simon
    --
    Simon Rayner

  9. Simon Rayner said:
    Quoted message said:

    You won't see the best of Wales on Offa's Dyke.

    Quoted message said:

    I disagree about Offa's Dyke Path - the central section in particular
    is great walking country

    I'm not saying that it isn't, I'm just saying that it's not the *best* of
    Wales.

    Quoted message said:

    Bear in mind that not everyone
    just heads for the highest mountains.

    Of course not, there are many other areas of interest (I have some
    particular favourites in Mid-Wales), but the majority tend to consider the
    highest mountains (and the most dramatic coastline) to be the best bits,
    that's why they've become national parks. Of course Offa's Dyke does go
    through some of the scenic areas marked on the map, I think the Wye Valley
    is particularly good, but what most people consider to be the "highlights"
    of Wales are to be found in Snowdonia and elsewhere.

    Paul

  10. Volker Gringmuth <[email hidden]> wrote on Wed, 01 Feb 2006 20:17:00 +0100:

    Quoted message said:

    Is there some route to be recommended apart from the well-known ones
    (as Offa's Dyke Path)? Or a list of places to see ...

    As Dafydd said, there's the Cambrian Way. It starts in Cardiff and
    has basically three main sections: Cardiff to Llandovery along the ridges
    of the Black Mountains, Brecon Beacons and Bannau Sir Gaer, then a very
    remote stretch through the Towy and Doethie valleys, the Cambrian Mountains
    and Cadair Idris to Barmouth. The third part is again along the
    ridges (Rhinogydd, Moelwynion, Snowdon, Glyderau, Carneddau) to Conwy
    in the north. The whole lot takes three weeks without too much messing
    about. It gives you a bit of all that Wales has on offer except for the
    coast. I've walked almost all of it (only the southern bit in one go
    last summer, but other day walks just happen to make up most of the rest).

    Quoted message said:

    train station, and a former hill somewhere which some Englishman went
    up until it became a mountain (oh, I really should have a look at
    that one!).

    Wasn't that said of Aran Fawddwy?

    Quoted message said:

    I don't know yet whether I'll walk alone or have some friends with
    me. And I really don't need much comfort - a grassy level place to
    pitch my tent on is enough at the end of a day, and a foodstore every
    1-2 days would be nice 🙂

    In mid Wales that takes a bit of planning. There's no shop on the
    direct route for about 4 days in the mid Wales section.

    Assuming that you're not necessarily after the highest mountains (as
    you'd go elsewhere if you were), you could first walk a bit of the
    Pembrokeshire coast. I think the best bits are on the south coast.
    Then get a bus to Pontrhydfendigaid in the middle of nowhere in mid Wales,
    from where it's eight or nine days following the Cambrian Way to Snowdon.
    That will take you through very remote parts of the Cambrian Mountains,
    over Cadair Idris, across an amazing railway-and-foot bridge across the
    Mawddach estuary, over the very rocky and isolated Rhinogydd, to amazing
    early mining and quarrying sites in the Moelwynion and to the highest peak,
    too. Note that the Cambrian Way isn't waymarked, it's just a list of
    points that you can connect as you please.

    Bus timetables for all of Wales at Traveline Cymru:
    http://tinyurl.com/d4ls5
    (Some services need booking a day in advance as they're operated by taxis.)

    George Tod's entertaining and informative trip report of his Cambrian Way:
    http://www.gtleisure.co.uk/walks/cw00/cambwaya.htm

    Excellent guidebook:
    AJ Drake; Cambrian Way; ISBN 0-9509580-4-2; Cheltenham 2000 (5th ed.)

    Have fun!
    --
    Rudi Winter, Aberystwyth, Wales
    http://users.aber.ac.uk/ruw/album

  11. Rudi Winter said:

    As Dafydd said, there's the Cambrian Way.

    Now that does include most of the best bits. Not the easiest route through
    Wales though, it seems to go out of its way to include most of the high
    bits.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    train station, and a former hill somewhere which some Englishman went
    up until it became a mountain (oh, I really should have a look at
    that one!).

    Wasn't that said of Aran Fawddwy?

    No, Garth Hill, just north of Cardiff.
    http://www.themodernantiquarian.com/site/2562
    http://www.streetmap.co.uk/streetmap.dll?G2M?X=310500&Y=183500&A=Y&Z=3

    Quoted message said:

    In mid Wales that takes a bit of planning. There's no shop on the
    direct route for about 4 days in the mid Wales section.

    You can't rely on shops being open on a Sunday either.

    Paul

  12. Paul Saunders <[email hidden]> wrote on Thu, 2 Feb 2006 22:05:30 -0000:

    Quoted message said:
    Rudi Winter said:

    As Dafydd said, there's the Cambrian Way.


    Now that does include most of the best bits. Not the easiest route through
    Wales though, it seems to go out of its way to include most of the high
    bits.

    Yeah, well, that's the point! I would never have thought that going up
    one grassy ridge for a day and then coming down a parallel one just a
    km or so west of it the next day is fun, but those two days in the Black
    Mountains were great in fact!

    Quoted message said:

    No, Garth Hill, just north of Cardiff.
    http://www.themodernantiquarian.com/site/2562
    http://www.streetmap.co.uk/streetmap.dll?G2M?X=310500&Y=183500&A=Y&Z=3

    1000 feet, is it? And I could hardly bring myself to write Cambrian
    Mountains without quotation marks!
    --
    Rudi Winter, Aberystwyth, Wales

  13. Volker Gringmuth said:

    Hi all,

    Since last year the four days of walking in Britain were much too
    short, I'm thinking of having a 14-18 days' walk this year

    Why not create your own circular route starting at say Oswestry?

    David.

  14. Simon Rayner said:

    I disagree about Offa's Dyke Path - the central section in particular
    is great walking country (the 15 miles each side of Knighton), and the
    Black Mountains are also very fine. Bear in mind that not everyone
    just heads for the highest mountains. See the Offa's Dyke website at
    http://www.offasdyke.demon.co.uk/

    Spent an enjoyable hour and a half flying (in FS2004 with VFR photo scenery)
    along the route in a helicopter this morning. As you say, there are some
    very scenic bits. Quite a bit of farmland though, and some unavoidable flat
    stretches in between the hills.

    Paul

  15. "Volker Gringmuth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...
    Hi all,

    I'm thinking of having a 14-18 days' walk this year -I thought it
    would be
    nice to have a walk across or around Wales (never been there so far,
    what a shame).

    Is there some route to be recommended apart from the well-known ones
    (as Offa's Dyke Path)? Or a list of places to see ...

    I really don't know much about Wales I'm afraid, just the well-known
    facts that it contains Snowdonia, and the world's longest name of a
    train station, and a former hill somewhere which some Englishman went
    up until it became a mountain (oh, I really should have a look at
    that one!).

    Anything in Wales above about 250 metres is a 'Mountain' The big ones
    around 8-900 metres can be serious mountains in bad conditions. On
    long summer days in fine weather they are pure joy.

    How are you in steep exposed places? If you like scrambling and are
    not worried by heights then the Snowdon Horseshoe is a classic, it can
    be busy at times. In a similar vein, a traverse of Tryfan and the
    Glyders via the North ridge of Tryfan, Bristly ridge, Glyder Fach,
    Glyder Fawr and Y-Garn. Those 2 days will give you about 8 of the
    highest peaks in Wales and some truly wonderful walking/scrambling
    with stunning views if the weather is fine (It rains here sometimes!)
    But do bear in mind you will need to be physically fit for about 6
    hours of hard walking, you will need to be able to navigate in mist
    and poor weather and you will need to to some fairly easy scrambling
    but in places where a slip could be fatal. If it's windy don't go
    there.
    If you are happy to see the big ones from a safe distance, I love that
    part of the Offas Dyke path along the Clwydian Range.
    --
    Rod

    My real address is rodtheweedygardeneratmyweedyisp
    Just remove the weedy bits
    and transplant the appropriate symbol at.

  16. Rudi Winter said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    As Dafydd said, there's the Cambrian Way.


    Now that does include most of the best bits. Not the easiest route
    through Wales though, it seems to go out of its way to include most
    of the high bits.

    Yeah, well, that's the point!

    Of course, a real mountain walk rather than simply a walk through Wales.

    I actually planned a very similar route myself many years ago, although the
    southern bit was different, starting from Swansea rather than Cardiff
    (obviously, since I live in Swansea) and ending at Bangor (ideal since
    there's a bus service between the two). I also skimped on the Beacons,
    quickly passing through the area via the Mynydd Du escarpment. The rest of
    the route is probably quite similar, although I haven't compared the fine
    details.

    Sometime later someone wrote a book called Gower to Snowdonia or similar,
    which was quite close to my route, although starting (or ending) at Gower.

    Quoted message said:

    I would never have thought that going up
    one grassy ridge for a day and then coming down a parallel one just a
    km or so west of it the next day is fun, but those two days in the
    Black Mountains were great in fact!

    I've done that a couple of times, good area for backpacking, once you get up
    the damn things (my pack was way too heavy).

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    No, Garth Hill, just north of Cardiff.
    http://www.themodernantiquarian.com/site/2562
    http://www.streetmap.co.uk/streetmap.dll?G2M?X=310500&Y=183500&A=Y&Z=3

    1000 feet, is it?

    Yep, just over.

    Quoted message said:

    And I could hardly bring myself to write Cambrian
    Mountains without quotation marks!

    Lots of small mountains in Wales. Many of the higher ones are hills. The
    highest Welsh hill is higher than the highest Welsh mountain.

    The smallest Welsh mountain I know of is Mynydd y Castell (in Margam Park)
    at a mere 116m;
    http://www.streetmap.co.uk/streetmap.dll?G2M?X=280500&Y=186500&A=Y&Z=3

    Anybody know of a smaller one?

    Paul

  17. In article <[email hidden]>, Paul Saunders
    <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:

    Lots of small mountains in Wales. Many of the higher ones are hills. The
    highest Welsh hill is higher than the highest Welsh mountain.

    The smallest Welsh mountain I know of is Mynydd y Castell (in Margam Park)
    at a mere 116m;
    http://www.streetmap.co.uk/streetmap.dll?G2M?X=280500&Y=186500&A=Y&Z=3

    Anybody know of a smaller one?

    Bangor Mountain

    ~ SH584719

    Its about 100m

    --

    Dominic Sexton

  18. Dominic Sexton said:

    Bangor Mountain

    ~ SH584719

    Its about 100m

    Hmm... That looks a bit vague. No clearly defined summit. The name may be
    over an area which is roughly 100m high, but if you follow the contours the
    actual summit is 1km to the southwest at 117m.

    But if the name doesn't refer to that, is there anything on Bangor Mountain
    marking the "summit"? It wouldn't qualify as a summit under normal tick
    list rules.

    Paul

  19. In article <[email hidden]>, Paul Saunders
    <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:
    Dominic Sexton said:

    Bangor Mountain

    ~ SH584719

    Its about 100m

    Hmm... That looks a bit vague. No clearly defined summit. The name may be
    over an area which is roughly 100m high, but if you follow the contours the
    actual summit is 1km to the southwest at 117m.

    But if the name doesn't refer to that, is there anything on Bangor Mountain
    marking the "summit"? It wouldn't qualify as a summit under normal tick
    list rules.

    Thought you might say that. Yes there is a small bump that is the summit
    but it isn't marked by anything spectacular. I seem to remember a park
    bench nearby though ;-)

    The 117m peak is not part of what was termed Bangor Mountain when I
    lived just between BM and the peak - St Mary's Hall of Residence for
    those who know the Uni.

    --

    Dominic Sexton

  20. Paul Saunders said:

    I actually planned a very similar route myself many years ago, although the
    southern bit was different, starting from Swansea rather than Cardiff
    (obviously, since I live in Swansea) and ending at Bangor (ideal since
    there's a bus service between the two).

    The Trawscambria is now broken up in Aber, but I think with guaranteed
    connections. The Swansea branch goes on to Cardiff some of the time, but
    the direct service on to Bristol that they used to do has ceased.

    Quoted message said:

    I also skimped on the Beacons,
    quickly passing through the area via the Mynydd Du escarpment. The rest of
    the route is probably quite similar, although I haven't compared the fine
    details.

    I've had this vague idea of a south-to-north walk and decided that it
    would have to include Brecon Beacons, Bannau Sir Gaer, Plynlimon, Cadair
    Idris, Rhinogydd, Snowdon and Carneddau but couldn't find a way to fit
    the Arans in (not all in one go as it would be a bit long). When I looked
    for information, I found Tony Drake's booklet, which contains just that
    (he didn't have a solution for the Aran problem either) plus the Black
    Mountains. So, I did the first week's worth of it last summer and will
    probably have another week-long go at it later this year. I had meant
    to write it all up but then thought the first third-or-so only is maybe
    a bit pathetic...

    Quoted message said:

    Sometime later someone wrote a book called Gower to Snowdonia or similar,
    which was quite close to my route, although starting (or ending) at Gower.

    Yes, I've seen that one.

    Quoted message said:

    The smallest Welsh mountain I know of is Mynydd y Castell (in Margam Park)
    Anybody know of a smaller one?

    Pass.
    --
    Rudi Winter, Aberystwyth, Wales

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