a few fall color shots - Colorado

On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 at 20:32 GMT, GeeDubb penned:

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I also threw in a pix of my 6 yr. old daughter on her bike :-)

It's not too soon to start!

Okay, maybe it is. I don't know squat about kids. But why not?

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On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 at 20:32 GMT, GeeDubb penned:

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I also threw in a pix of my 6 yr. old daughter on her bike :-)

It's not too soon to start!

Okay, maybe it is. I don't know squat about kids. But why not?

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It's never too soon to start though I learned with my first to let them try on their own. I tried
pushing her into riding and she crashed causing a
psychological block (fear) to riding for nearly two years until yesterday when she took the
initiative to try the two wheeler again. She'll be 9 in December.

I'm really stoked about the possibility of both my girls riding with me aside from the tandem
trailer bike I pulled them around on. It's fun to see the little one looking for any dirt she can
ride through. The 6 yr. old has been riding w/o training wheels since Labor day and today my older
daughter finally managed to ride the two wheeler. It's amazing how kids can be so different.

And after two kids and nearly nine years of experience........I still don't know squat about kids.
It seems everyday they surprise you with something.

Gary

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Gary

Very nice Gary. I really hate this part of the country!

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Very nice Gary. I really hate this part of the country!

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Craig Brossman, Durango Colorado (remove ".nospam" to reply)

Hey Craig......you suck <g>.

I lived up there (Horsefly Mesa, just west of Ridgway) for 8 months, year of '99. Wettest summer in
80 years. Riding was non-existent. Thought I was in Seattle. I'd still be there but we made the
mistake of moving up there with a 2 and a 4 year old and no one around for miles. Spent the entire 8
months 'winterizing' the trailer just to have the damn sewer line freeze. The wife tried to make
friends in T-ride but mostly got snubbed plus it was 40 minutes of driving on dry roads, one way.

Now we go back a few times a year, lands paid for and so is the dump of a mobile home. Just wish it
wasn't a 9 hour drive (7-1/2 w/o the family <g>😉. I never have anyone to ride with while I'm there
which sucks because I have to ride on the overly cautious side. Someday we'll be back.

What kind of engineering do you do?

Gary

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Very nice Gary. I really hate this part of the country!

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Craig Brossman, Durango Colorado (remove ".nospam" to reply)

Hey Craig......you suck <g>.

I lived up there (Horsefly Mesa, just west of Ridgway) for 8 months, year of '99. Wettest summer
in 80 years. Riding was non-existent. Thought I was in Seattle. I'd still be there but we made the
mistake of moving up there with a 2 and a 4 year old and no one around for miles. Spent the entire
8 months 'winterizing' the trailer just to have the damn sewer line freeze. The wife tried to make
friends in T-ride but mostly got snubbed plus it was 40 minutes of driving on dry roads, one way.

Now we go back a few times a year, lands paid for and so is the dump of a mobile home. Just wish
it wasn't a 9 hour drive (7-1/2 w/o the family <g>😉. I never have anyone to ride with while I'm
there which sucks because I have to ride on the overly cautious side. Someday we'll be back.

What kind of engineering do you do?

Gary

Living in a "Tourist" area can be difficult. There is a high number of transient/seasonal workers.
The locals are hard to make friends with. The reason is: why should they make friends if you would
be gone in 6 months? It is kind of lazy. But I see it all the time.

TJ

"> Living in a "Tourist" area can be difficult. There is a high number

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of transient/seasonal workers. The locals are hard to make friends with. The reason is: why should
they make friends if you would be gone in 6 months? It is kind of lazy. But I see it all the time.

TJ

I tried to explain that to my wife early on. She's never had a problem making friends but T-ride is
an entirely different place. It was also interesting how some of her 'acquaintances from Phoenix
became her best friends after we moved to Colorado. They kept telling her how much they missed her
but yet had rarely called her while we live a few miles away.

I'd be back up there is a second if I was the only vote in my family! Forty acres at 9100', one
family on the next parcel (Dr. and a Nurse Practitioner with two young boys), and two sides
surrounded by working ranch.....but I digress. I'm stuck in Phoenix where the only saving grace is
365 days of riding each year, tons of trails and a lot of avid cyclists. It's not hot until it
reaches 120 <g>.

Gary, Phoenix native

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Living in a "Tourist" area can be difficult. There is a high number of transient/seasonal workers.
The locals are hard to make friends with. The reason is: why should they make friends if you would
be gone in 6 months? It is kind of lazy. But I see it all the time.

TJ

Very true. Also, Telluride suffers from a condition I call "TooCoolNess". It's also pretty prevalent
in Crested Butte. If you aren't "local" (by whatever measure the judger uses to call him/herself a
local) then you may not be cool enough. In CB I've even seen it get to the point of if you grew up
in Gunnison (just down the road, where most of the working folks live) you aren't cool enough or you
don't get the "local's" discount, which is really stupid. Not everyone subscribes to this, and I
know a lot of great folks in both communities, but the attitude is definitely in the air. Some of
the judgers who call themselves local are also just transplants like almost everyone else, they just
somehow find a way to differentiate (like how long you've been there).

I've lived in this community for 14 years. It's now the place I've lived the longest. I consider
myself local, but it's not enough for some. I just don't have time for those people who dwell on
such details. Folks are folks. Some good, some bad, and most in between. I use a completely
different set of standards to figure out who I think is OK and not.

Matt (cool, but not too cool)

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Very nice Gary. I really hate this part of the country!

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Craig Brossman, Durango Colorado (remove ".nospam" to reply)

Hey Craig......you suck <g>.

I lived up there (Horsefly Mesa, just west of Ridgway) for 8 months, year of '99. Wettest summer
in 80 years. Riding was non-existent. Thought I was in Seattle. I'd still be there but we made the
mistake of moving up there with a 2 and a 4 year old and no one around for miles. Spent the entire
8 months 'winterizing' the trailer just to have the damn sewer line freeze. The wife tried to make
friends in T-ride but mostly got snubbed plus it was 40 minutes of driving on dry roads, one way.

Now we go back a few times a year, lands paid for and so is the dump of a mobile home. Just wish
it wasn't a 9 hour drive (7-1/2 w/o the family <g>😉. I never have anyone to ride with while I'm
there which sucks because I have to ride on the overly cautious side. Someday we'll be back.

What kind of engineering do you do?

Gary

I am a SW engineer for high speed printers, 1000+ pages/minute, not your home office kind of stuff.
I was able to convince the company that I can do my job and not have to be in the office every day,
which is good since it is in the front range. They seem happy with the arrangement as well.

Let me know whey you are in the area, I can be flexible at times with my schedule, other times not
at all, perhaps we can hook up for a ride or
2. I ahve a 10 yo boy which I am starting to do some riding with.

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Craig Brossman, Durango Colorado (remove ".nospam" to reply)

GeeDubb said:

"> Living in a "Tourist" area can be difficult. There is a high number

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of transient/seasonal workers. The locals are hard to make friends with. The reason is: why should
they make friends if you would be gone in 6 months? It is kind of lazy. But I see it all the time.

TJ

I tried to explain that to my wife early on. She's never had a problem making friends but T-ride
is an entirely different place. It was also interesting how some of her 'acquaintances from
Phoenix became her best friends after we moved to Colorado. They kept telling her how much they
missed her but yet had rarely called her while we live a few miles away.

I'd be back up there is a second if I was the only vote in my family! Forty acres at 9100', one
family on the next parcel (Dr. and a Nurse Practitioner with two young boys), and two sides
surrounded by working ranch.....but I digress. I'm stuck in Phoenix where the only saving grace is
365 days of riding each year, tons of trails and a lot of avid cyclists. It's not hot until it
reaches 120 <g>.

Gary, Phoenix native

Yeah, T-ride is a tough place. Either you are stinking rich or you're not. Always seems to be a
battle between the "classes". I have found Durango much easier to make friends and such. We just
don't have the huge differences in income like T-ride, and if you live here, you are probably here
full time and into something outdoors. I doubt you can say that about all the people who pay
property taxes in the T-ride area.

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What kind of engineering do you do?

Gary

I am a SW engineer for high speed printers, 1000+ pages/minute, not your home office kind of
stuff. I was able to convince the company that I can do my job and not have to be in the office
every day, which is good since it is in the front range. They seem happy with the arrangement
as well.

Let me know whey you are in the area, I can be flexible at times with my schedule, other times not
at all, perhaps we can hook up for a ride or
2. I ahve a 10 yo boy which I am starting to do some riding with.

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Craig Brossman, Durango Colorado (remove ".nospam" to reply)

I asked about the engineering trying to see if there is a need for more engineers. I was working as
a materials engineer for an aerospace company here in Phoenix prior to moving up there in '99 but I
was really just a glorified secretary. Now I run my own woodworking business (one employee .... me)
which gives me a lot of time to ride. I'd still like to get out of Phoenix and Southern Colorado
keeps calling.

I'm hoping to be up in Durango next July (or if invited earlier or later) so I'll keep that in mind.
If the skiing is good we may be there sooner ;-).

Gary

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"> Living in a "Tourist" area can be difficult. There is a high number

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of transient/seasonal workers. The locals are hard to make friends with. The reason is: why
should they make friends if you would be gone in 6 months? It is kind of lazy. But I see it all
the time.

TJ

I tried to explain that to my wife early on. She's never had a problem making friends but T-ride
is an entirely different place. It was also interesting how some of her 'acquaintances from
Phoenix became her best friends after we moved to Colorado. They kept telling her how much they
missed her but yet had rarely called her while we live a few miles away.

I'd be back up there is a second if I was the only vote in my family! Forty acres at 9100', one
family on the next parcel (Dr. and a Nurse Practitioner with two young boys), and two sides
surrounded by working ranch.....but I digress. I'm stuck in Phoenix where the only saving grace is
365 days of riding each year, tons of trails and a lot of avid cyclists. It's not hot until it
reaches 120 <g>.

Gary, Phoenix native

The best thing to do is not live out in the country. If you have neighbors it is a lot easier to
meet people. I just moved into town here in CO. I love it. My friends are a lot closer. Riding is
easier. Even though we have two vehicles they don't get used as much now. I always drive Dallas
Divide. The traffic there can rival Denver. It seems all the contractors live in Montrose.

TJ

On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 at 20:55 GMT, GeeDubb penned:

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I asked about the engineering trying to see if there is a need for more engineers. I was working
as a materials engineer for an aerospace company here in Phoenix prior to moving up there in '99
but I was really just a glorified secretary. Now I run my own woodworking business (one employee
.... me) which gives me a lot of time to ride. I'd still like to get out of Phoenix and Southern
Colorado keeps calling.

I'm hoping to be up in Durango next July (or if invited earlier or later) so I'll keep that in
mind. If the skiing is good we may be there sooner ;-).

Gary

Ball Aerospace (and Ball Corp, actually) has offices in both Boulder and Broomfield. I could
possibly pass along a resume if that's of interest.

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Ball Aerospace (and Ball Corp, actually) has offices in both Boulder and Broomfield. I could
possibly pass along a resume if that's of interest.

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monique

Thanks Monique. As much as I like Boulder I'd have to sell my property in San Miguel Cnty. and I'm
trying to avoid that. Though one of my wife's old bosses lives in Boulder and makes her offers all
the time. I'm also not sure I want to get back into engineering as I was bored to tears most of
the time. I don't much like sitting behind a desk. Plus I made/make more money as a
carpenter....go figure.

It is a thought though!

Gary

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The best thing to do is not live out in the country. If you have neighbors it is a lot easier to
meet people. I just moved into town here in CO. I love it. My friends are a lot closer. Riding is
easier. Even though we have two vehicles they don't get used as much now. I always drive Dallas
Divide. The traffic there can rival Denver. It seems all the contractors live in Montrose.

TJ

We learned the hard way that we should have moved into town first. We had/have neighbors but due to
some abnormal circumstances we didn't get to see them much and you can't take a city girl and put
her in the country.

What town are you in. I'd love somebody to ride with when I am up there.

One of my favorite road rides (on the mtb) is the ride into Ridgway from my property to the bakery
for breakfast then back up the mountain. It's about a 38 mile rt. Good workout and a good way to get
conditioned to the higher elevation! Of course this isn't during the contractor rush from Montrose
as I'm going against traffic on the way in.

During the summer I'm always running into Hut Trippers at the bottom of 60x catching a breather
before the 500' climb to the Mesa. It's always fun having a 43 yr. old. pull the youngens up
the road....

Gary

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The best thing to do is not live out in the country. If you have neighbors it is a lot easier to
meet people. I just moved into town here in CO. I love it. My friends are a lot closer. Riding
is easier. Even though we have two vehicles they don't get used as much now. I always drive
Dallas Divide. The traffic there can rival Denver. It seems all the contractors live in
Montrose.

TJ

We learned the hard way that we should have moved into town first. We had/have neighbors but due
to some abnormal circumstances we didn't get to see them much and you can't take a city girl and
put her in the country.

What town are you in. I'd love somebody to ride with when I am up there.

One of my favorite road rides (on the mtb) is the ride into Ridgway from my property to the bakery
for breakfast then back up the mountain. It's about a 38 mile rt. Good workout and a good way to
get conditioned to the higher elevation! Of course this isn't during the contractor rush from
Montrose as I'm going against traffic on the way in.

During the summer I'm always running into Hut Trippers at the bottom of 60x catching a breather
before the 500' climb to the Mesa. It's always fun having a 43 yr. old. pull the youngens up the
road....

Gary

I am in North Carolina for a while. When in Colorado I am in the Grand Junction area.

TJ