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  1. "I like having Matt around though, he helps start wild doping rumors
    that I can spread around so that I don't feel as bad about running out
    of talent and sucking at pro cycling."
    - domestic pro who will remain unnamed

    Addendum: the unnamed dude, like me, thinks the domestic scene is
    fairly dirty. He also knows that DeCanio's information has to be taken
    with a grain of salt. Half the time it's incorrect.

    Therein lies the rub. He discredits his cause by propogating every
    rumor, regardless of whether or not he knows the rumor to be true.

    K. Gringioni.

  2. Kurgan Gringioni said:

    "I like having Matt around though, he helps start wild doping rumors
    that I can spread around so that I don't feel as bad about running


    out

    Quoted message said:

    of talent and sucking at pro cycling."
    - domestic pro who will remain unnamed

    Addendum: the unnamed dude, like me, thinks the domestic scene is
    fairly dirty. He also knows that DeCanio's information has to be


    taken

    Quoted message said:

    with a grain of salt. Half the time it's incorrect.

    Therein lies the rub. He discredits his cause by propogating every
    rumor, regardless of whether or not he knows the rumor to be true.

    K. Gringioni.

    dumbass,

    no [censored], maybe you can work for the history channel.

    when the D-day of TdG positives came and went with no massive doping
    expose that took the gas out of SU.

    who wants a black hoodie ?

  3. amit said:


    dumbass,

    no [censored], maybe you can work for the history channel.

    Dumbass -

    It may be obvious to you and me, but some of the other people (Sachs,
    Lafferty) are blind to it.

    K. Gringioni.

  4. "Kurgan Gringioni" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    amit said:


    dumbass,

    no [censored], maybe you can work for the history channel.

    Dumbass -

    It may be obvious to you and me, but some of the other people (Sachs,
    Lafferty) are blind to it.

    K. Gringioni.

    not true.
    e-RICHIE

  5. Richard Sachs said:

    "Kurgan Gringioni" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    amit said:


    dumbass,

    no [censored], maybe you can work for the history channel.

    Dumbass -

    It may be obvious to you and me, but some of the other people


    (Sachs,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Lafferty) are blind to it.

    K. Gringioni.

    not true.
    e-RICHIE

    Dumbass -

    In the thread "in support of Matt DeCanio" (where you were the only
    poster), there was absolutely no mention of the rumor-mongering aspect
    of DeCanio's finger-pointing.

    To an objective observer, the rumor-mongering is the most salient
    feature of his writings resulting in his lack of credibility. One
    doesn't have to believe in the cleanliness of the domestic scene to
    know he's a wack-job.

    thanks,

    K. Gringioni.

  6. I love how you call Richard Sachs a dumbass. Wanna try for Ben Serrota
    too? How about Dave Moulto?. You can spit on the grave of Mario
    Confente too.

  7. "Kurgan Gringioni" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Dumbass -

    It may be obvious to you and me, but some of the other people


    (Sachs,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Lafferty) are blind to it.

    K. Gringioni.


    not true.
    e-RICHIE

    Dumbass -

    In the thread "in support of Matt DeCanio" (where you were the only
    poster), there was absolutely no mention of the rumor-mongering aspect
    of DeCanio's finger-pointing.

    To an objective observer, the rumor-mongering is the most salient
    feature of his writings resulting in his lack of credibility. One
    doesn't have to believe in the cleanliness of the domestic scene to
    know he's a wack-job.
    thanks,
    K. Gringioni.


    === === ===

    Dumbass-issimo...
    the posts were links where folks could read another point
    of view and decide for themselves. otoh, from day one i
    have been on record as supporting matt's efforts though i
    do not endorse his methods. otoh pt2, "everyone" is so worried
    about the name-dropping and libel, but has anyone brought suit?
    has anyone "named" gone on record disputing anything?
    the so-called #1 and #2 riders who were the center of the feb7
    vn article said that matt was right and they agree with the anecdotes
    that he's cited. it's nice to hide behind anonymity when you're
    agreeing about someone else who's suppossedly libeling others.

    you should spend more time riding your bicycle!
    e-RICHIE

  8. Richard Sachs said:

    it's nice to hide behind anonymity when you're
    agreeing about someone else who's suppossedly libeling others.

    Dumbass -

    Everyone here knows my real name.

    Well, almost everyone.

    thanks,

    K. Gringioni.

  9. Quoted message said:

    I love how you call Richard Sachs a dumbass. Wanna try for Ben


    Serrota

    Quoted message said:

    too? How about Dave Moulto?. You can spit on the grave of Mario
    Confente too.

    Dumbass -

    Anyone in the bike business is a dumbass. I know, I share a shop w/ two
    of them. They'd agree w/ me.

    thanks,

    K. Gringioni.
    dumbass

  10. "Kurgan Gringioni" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    Richard Sachs said:

    it's nice to hide behind anonymity when you're
    agreeing about someone else who's suppossedly libeling others.

    Dumbass -

    Everyone here knows my real name.
    Well, almost everyone.
    thanks,
    K. Gringioni.


    +++ +++ +++

    nice.
    read my text again (snipped):

    "the so-called #1 and #2 riders who were the center of the feb7
    vn article said that matt was right and they agree with the anecdotes
    that he's cited. it's nice to hide behind anonymity when you're
    agreeing about someone else who's suppossedly libeling others."

    i was refering to #1 and #2 in the vn article, not you henry.
    e-RICHIE

  11. Quoted message said:

    I love how you call Richard Sachs a dumbass. Wanna try for Ben


    Serrota

    Quoted message said:

    too? How about Dave Moulto?. You can spit on the grave of Mario
    Confente too.

    dumbass,

    i think lugs are ugly.

    there i said it.

  12. amit said:
    Quoted message said:

    I love how you call Richard Sachs a dumbass. Wanna try for Ben


    Serrota

    Quoted message said:

    too? How about Dave Moulto?. You can spit on the grave of Mario
    Confente too.

    dumbass,

    i think lugs are ugly.

    there i said it.

    Barbarian!
    Bill C

  13. amit said:


    i think lugs are ugly.

    Oh, my. Dumbass doesn't start to cover it. I will concede that you can
    make an ugly lug (for one thing, they shouldn't go more than half way
    down the tube...), but whether a 70s Colin Laing or almost any Sachs
    (partial to any that are red and white) or a traditional Brit bike,
    there is nothing like a lugged frame for artistry when done right.

    Have we previously used Philistine, or is that open for use here?

    Curtis L. Russell
    Odenton, MD (USA)
    Just someone on two wheels...

  14. "Richard Sachs" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    "Kurgan Gringioni" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    Richard Sachs said:

    it's nice to hide behind anonymity when you're
    agreeing about someone else who's suppossedly libeling others.

    Dumbass -

    Everyone here knows my real name.
    Well, almost everyone.
    thanks,
    K. Gringioni.


    +++ +++ +++

    nice.
    read my text again (snipped):

    "the so-called #1 and #2 riders who were the center of the feb7
    vn article said that matt was right and they agree with the anecdotes
    that he's cited. it's nice to hide behind anonymity when you're
    agreeing about someone else who's suppossedly libeling others."

    i was refering to #1 and #2 in the vn article, not you henry.

    I thought his real name was Dumbass #1?

  15. amit said:
    Quoted message said:

    i think lugs are ugly.

    Curtis L. Russell said:

    Oh, my. Dumbass doesn't start to cover it. I will concede that you can
    make an ugly lug (for one thing, they shouldn't go more than half way
    down the tube...), but whether a 70s Colin Laing or almost any Sachs
    (partial to any that are red and white) or a traditional Brit bike,
    there is nothing like a lugged frame for artistry when done right.

    Dumbass,
    If you want artistry get yourself a Pirelli calendar. Bikes are for racing
    for a year or two and then you get a new one.

    Attila

  16. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Donald Munro said:
    amit said:
    Quoted message said:

    i think lugs are ugly.

    Curtis L. Russell said:

    Oh, my. Dumbass doesn't start to cover it. I will concede that you can
    make an ugly lug (for one thing, they shouldn't go more than half way
    down the tube...), but whether a 70s Colin Laing or almost any Sachs
    (partial to any that are red and white) or a traditional Brit bike,
    there is nothing like a lugged frame for artistry when done right.

    Dumbass,
    If you want artistry get yourself a Pirelli calendar. Bikes are for racing
    for a year or two and then you get a new one.

    Attila

    A year - ok. But "or two"? Have you been consulting with Justin lately,
    Donald? (heh)

    --
    tanx,
    Howard

    Butter is love.

    remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

  17. amit said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    i think lugs are ugly.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Curtis L. Russell said:

    there is nothing like a lugged frame for artistry when done right.

    Donald Munro said:
    Quoted message said:

    Dumbass,
    If you want artistry get yourself a Pirelli calendar. Bikes are for racing
    for a year or two and then you get a new one.

    Attila


    Howard Kveck said:

    A year - ok. But "or two"? Have you been consulting with Justin lately,

    The ultra light steel market seems to be diminishing but I'm sure I could
    get a lifetime warranty on one of these:
    http://digilander.libero.it/felixpetrelli/vinicio.htm

  18. Donald Munro said:

    Dumbass,
    If you want artistry get yourself a Pirelli calendar. Bikes are for racing
    for a year or two and then you get a new one.

    Attila

    Yep. Its a Philistine. One with some money, but a Philistine.

    OTOH, I have to admit that my ability to talk myself into buying up
    when I buy a bike has deteriorated, much less talk myself into buying
    every other year. I just talked myself down from a Fuji Team Pro to a
    Roubaix Pro. An extra pound and an extra gear simply is meaningless
    for my riding.

    I'm guessing if both the bike and I survive into 2010, I'll probably
    still be riding it.

    Curtis L. Russell
    Odenton, MD (USA)
    Just someone on two wheels...

  19. Donald Munro said:
    Quoted message said:

    Dumbass,
    If you want artistry get yourself a Pirelli calendar. Bikes are for racing
    for a year or two and then you get a new one.

    Attila

    Curtis L. Russell said:

    Yep. Its a Philistine. One with some money, but a Philistine.

    OTOH, I have to admit that my ability to talk myself into buying up
    when I buy a bike has deteriorated, much less talk myself into buying
    every other year. I just talked myself down from a Fuji Team Pro to a
    Roubaix Pro. An extra pound and an extra gear simply is meaningless
    for my riding.

    I'm guessing if both the bike and I survive into 2010, I'll probably
    still be riding it.

    My approx. 2 year old frame recently developed a crack where there used
    to be a dent from a crash in a race. [censored] sometimes happens when you race.

    Anyway if you like lugs so much why don't you get one of those BMC's that
    Phonak ride, they've got some weird lug like thingies holding the tubes
    together (and I'm sure there will be an official Phonak one on e-bay quite
    soon, unless its gets auctioned on believetyler.com)

    http://www.pezcyclingnews.com/?pg=fullstory&id=2341

  20. "Tom Kunich" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    "Richard Sachs" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    "Kurgan Gringioni" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    Richard Sachs wrote:

    > it's nice to hide behind anonymity when you're
    > agreeing about someone else who's suppossedly libeling others.

    Dumbass -

    Everyone here knows my real name.
    Well, almost everyone.
    thanks,
    K. Gringioni.


    +++ +++ +++

    nice.
    read my text again (snipped):

    "the so-called #1 and #2 riders who were the center of the feb7
    vn article said that matt was right and they agree with the anecdotes
    that he's cited. it's nice to hide behind anonymity when you're
    agreeing about someone else who's suppossedly libeling others."

    i was refering to #1 and #2 in the vn article, not you henry.

    I thought his real name was Dumbass #1?


    Another example of what happens when an enigma takes the name and
    description chosen by the masses.

    -Warren

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