a "different" training provider

Clive George said:

Some might find this amusing :-)

http://www.iam.org.uk/aboutus/IAM+Wheels/Cycle+Training.htm

Good for them... though I'd say their leaflet isn't as good as ours, and
the lad in the white shirt on the grey hybrid has his saddle set rather
too low.

Pete.
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Peter Clinch said:

Clive George said:

Some might find this amusing :-)

http://www.iam.org.uk/aboutus/IAM+Wheels/Cycle+Training.htm

Good for them... though I'd say their leaflet isn't as good as ours, and
the lad in the white shirt on the grey hybrid has his saddle set rather
too low.

Which hybrid? I can't see any pictures of cyclists on there!

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Mark said the following on 07/05/2008 14:46:

Quoted message said:

Which hybrid? I can't see any pictures of cyclists on there!

Oh good! I thought it was just me that's gone blind!

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Clive George said:

Some might find this amusing :-)

http://www.iam.org.uk/aboutus/IAM+Wheels/Cycle+Training.htm

cheers,
clive

Does anybody know to what compentency they train to? Is it based on
Cyclecraft e.g.? Also, do they have a position on h*****s?

Graham

Mark said:

Peter Clinch said:

Clive George said:

Some might find this amusing :-)

http://www.iam.org.uk/aboutus/IAM+Wheels/Cycle+Training.htm

Good for them... though I'd say their leaflet isn't as good as ours, and
the lad in the white shirt on the grey hybrid has his saddle set rather
too low.

Which hybrid? I can't see any pictures of cyclists on there!

The one on their leaflet (which isn't as good as ours): surf around a
little and find
http://www.iam.org.uk/NR/rdonlyres/5C52B8FA-2F58-411F-BEE2-EECA7CA45CDE/0/EmplyslfltRev3Jun07.pdf

Pete.
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Peter Clinch said the following on 07/05/2008 15:40:

Quoted message said:

The one on their leaflet (which isn't as good as ours): surf around a
little and find
http://www.iam.org.uk/NR/rdonlyres/5C52B8FA-2F58-411F-BEE2-EECA7CA45CDE/0/EmplyslfltRev3Jun07.pdf

....for which I'm being asked for a username and password! They don't
make it easy, do they?

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Paul Boyd said:

Peter Clinch said the following on 07/05/2008 15:40:

Quoted message said:

The one on their leaflet (which isn't as good as ours): surf around a
little and find
http://www.iam.org.uk/NR/rdonlyres/5C52B8FA-2F58-411F-BEE2-EECA7CA45CDE/0/EmplyslfltRev3Jun07.pdf

...for which I'm being asked for a username and password! They don't
make it easy, do they?

Oh, I never got that...

Pete.
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Peter Clinch said:

Mark said:

Peter Clinch said:

Clive George wrote:
> Some might find this amusing :-)
>
> http://www.iam.org.uk/aboutus/IAM+Wheels/Cycle+Training.htm
Good for them... though I'd say their leaflet isn't as good as ours, and
the lad in the white shirt on the grey hybrid has his saddle set rather
too low.

Which hybrid? I can't see any pictures of cyclists on there!

The one on their leaflet (which isn't as good as ours): surf around a
little and find
http://www.iam.org.uk/NR/rdonlyres/5C52B8FA-2F58-411F-BEE2-EECA7CA45CDE/0/EmplyslfltRev3Jun07.pdf

The saddles look too low for both trainees IMHO. This is a particular
bugbear of mine. You may recall the thread "Cycling at schools - Bike
size/saddle height".

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Slark said:

Clive George said:

Some might find this amusing :-)

http://www.iam.org.uk/aboutus/IAM+Wheels/Cycle+Training.htm

cheers,
clive

Does anybody know to what compentency they train to? Is it based on
Cyclecraft e.g.? Also, do they have a position on h*****s?

Graham

From the leaflet:
"Apart from waterproofs (if you’re happy to cycle in all weathers), we
do not recommend any special clothing for cycling.
We do, however, recommend wearing a cycling helmet, but accept that as
it is not
a legal requirement this is a matter of personal choice."

So they don't recomend wearing gloves, cylcing shoes, clothing that
won't get caught up in the bike, hi-vis gear at night, but do think you
should wear a MFH.

Martin.

Martin Dann said:

Slark said:

Clive George said:

Some might find this amusing :-)

http://www.iam.org.uk/aboutus/IAM+Wheels/Cycle+Training.htm

cheers,
clive

Does anybody know to what compentency they train to? Is it based on
Cyclecraft e.g.? Also, do they have a position on h*****s?

Graham

From the leaflet:
"Apart from waterproofs (if you’re happy to cycle in all weathers), we
do not recommend any special clothing for cycling.
We do, however, recommend wearing a cycling helmet, but accept that as
it is not
a legal requirement this is a matter of personal choice."

So they don't recomend wearing gloves, cylcing shoes, clothing that
won't get caught up in the bike, hi-vis gear at night, but do think you
should wear a MFH.

Martin.

Ah - I missed that. Thanks Martin.

Graham

On Wed, 07 May 2008 15:17:10 +0100, Slark <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Clive George said:

Some might find this amusing :-)

http://www.iam.org.uk/aboutus/IAM+Wheels/Cycle+Training.htm

cheers,
clive

Does anybody know to what compentency they train to? Is it based on
Cyclecraft e.g.? Also, do they have a position on h*****s?

They train to the National Standards. They appear not to be
accredited Bikeability training providers.

Tom Crispin said:

On Wed, 07 May 2008 15:17:10 +0100, Slark <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Clive George said:

Some might find this amusing :-)

http://www.iam.org.uk/aboutus/IAM+Wheels/Cycle+Training.htm

cheers,
clive

Does anybody know to what compentency they train to? Is it based on
Cyclecraft e.g.? Also, do they have a position on h*****s?

They train to the National Standards. They appear not to be
accredited Bikeability training providers.

Thanks Tom - that's useful information.

Graham

On May 7, 7:16 pm, Tom Crispin <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

On Wed, 07 May 2008 15:17:10 +0100, Slark <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Clive George said:

Some might find this amusing :-)

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

http://www.iam.org.uk/aboutus/IAM+Wheels/Cycle+Training.htm

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

cheers,
clive

Quoted message said:

Does anybody know to what compentency they train to? Is it based on
Cyclecraft e.g.? Also, do they have a position on h*****s?

They train to the National Standards. They appear not to be
accredited Bikeability training providers.

The leaflet said the training is provided in association with Cycle
Training UK

best wishes
james

In article <[email hidden]>,

Martin Dann said:

So they don't recomend wearing gloves, cylcing shoes, clothing that
won't get caught up in the bike, hi-vis gear at night,

Quite right too. If I'm off to that kind of formal event I will ride
in my DJ - formal shoes and all (and academic gown if it suits the the
event and the weather). I will refrain from putting on my tie until
I've arrived.

If I had the misfortune to have to commute in a suit I would probably
just ride in my shirt and bundle the suit jacket in my pannier (unless
the weather was really hot perhaps). Obviously that typically means
not pushing so hard so as to avoid getting too nasty and sweaty, but
it makes for a much more satisfying journey over all.

I realise that this view may be difficult to accept for the serious
cyclists here, but I do think that this idea that you should have to
wear special clothes for ordinary utility cycling is unhelpful. A
cycle trip has to be quite long before it's worth the faff of carrying
a change of clothing.

Hi-vis is a more complex question, but I hope we can all agree that we
would prefer to live in a world where ordinary cycling doesn't involve
having to wear hi-vis.

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In article <[email hidden]>, Ian Jackson
[email hidden] says...

Quoted message said:

I realise that this view may be difficult to accept for the serious
cyclists here, but I do think that this idea that you should have to
wear special clothes for ordinary utility cycling is unhelpful. A
cycle trip has to be quite long before it's worth the faff of carrying
a change of clothing.

Indeed - the scheme is aimed at employers who probably won't want to
deal with the hassle of washing/changing/clothes-drying facilities, and
I don't think it really threatens to swell the ranks of CTC/AUK:
"CycleRide Plus prepares you for more complex challenges. These include:
turning right on multi-lane roads, and negotiating roundabouts, traffic
lights and traffic filters"

On Thu, 8 May 2008 03:20:26 -0700 (PDT), [email hidden]

Quoted message said:

On May 7, 7:16 pm, Tom Crispin <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

On Wed, 07 May 2008 15:17:10 +0100, Slark <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Clive George wrote:
> Some might find this amusing :-)

Quoted message said:

>http://www.iam.org.uk/aboutus/IAM+Wheels/Cycle+Training.htm

Quoted message said:

> cheers,
> clive

Quoted message said:

Does anybody know to what compentency they train to? Is it based on
Cyclecraft e.g.? Also, do they have a position on h*****s?

They train to the National Standards. They appear not to be
accredited Bikeability training providers.

The leaflet said the training is provided in association with Cycle
Training UK

CTUK certainly is an accredited Bikeability provider. Perhaps they
prefer not to use that brand when targetting adult customers.

Ian Jackson said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Martin Dann said:

So they don't recomend wearing gloves, cylcing shoes, clothing that
won't get caught up in the bike, hi-vis gear at night,

Quite right too. If I'm off to that kind of formal event I will ride
in my DJ - formal shoes and all (and academic gown if it suits the the
event and the weather). I will refrain from putting on my tie until
I've arrived.

I understand your point, however clothing that won't get caught is quite
important. Even if you wear trouser clips, that could be regarded as
special clothing.

If I am just doing a short trip (a couple of miles), I will often wear
jeans etc, and have been know do that in trainers on spd pedals (the
small ones, not the ones with platforms). For this type of cycling, I
will slow down.

Quoted message said:

Hi-vis is a more complex question, but I hope we can all agree that we
would prefer to live in a world where ordinary cycling doesn't involve
having to wear hi-vis.

Hi-vis is IMHO one of the most important bits of night cycling gear. But
then it could give a false sense of security.
Yesterday I saw a cyclist wearing a helmet, pull out to turn right, then
stick her right arm out, and then look. This type of behaviour appears
to be more common amongst helmet wearers, than non-helmet wearers.

Martin.

In article <[email hidden]>, Martin
[email hidden] says...

Quoted message said:

I understand your point, however clothing that won't get caught is quite
important. Even if you wear trouser clips, that could be regarded as
special clothing.

Tuck trousers in socks, or roll them up.