A /different/ helmet thread...

Simon Brooke said:

What on Earth was Chris Hoy wearing on his head this weekend, and can it
possibly be UCI-legal?

Supplementary question: if it is legal, where does one get one?

For those of us that did not see it, any links?

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Simon Brooke wrote on 24/02/2007 20:50 +0100:

Quoted message said:

What on Earth was Chris Hoy wearing on his head this weekend, and can it
possibly be UCI-legal?

Supplementary question: if it is legal, where does one get one?

Dunno but its not as good as this one:
http://asthma.org.uk/what_you_can_do/treks_challenges/london_to_paris.html

--
Tony

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wildly inaccurate..."
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Simon Brooke said:

What on Earth was Chris Hoy wearing on his head this weekend, and can it
possibly be UCI-legal?

It must be, since he was wearing it at the worlds.

Quoted message said:

Supplementary question: if it is legal, where does one get one?

It's a Casco Warp II. You might get one here
http://www.dotbike.com/ProductsP1646.aspx?Track=FGL
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Quoted message said:

Simon Brooke said:

What on Earth was Chris Hoy wearing on his head this weekend, and can it
possibly be UCI-legal?

It must be, since he was wearing it at the worlds.

Quoted message said:

Supplementary question: if it is legal, where does one get one?

It's a Casco Warp II. You might get one here
http://www.dotbike.com/ProductsP1646.aspx?Track=FGL

"Out of stock"

Probably a good thing. It looked ridiclous.

However, I did wonder if I was a great cyclist, maybe I could wear what I
wanted?

in message <[email hidden]>, Don Whybrow

(') said:

Simon Brooke said:

What on Earth was Chris Hoy wearing on his head this weekend, and can it
possibly be UCI-legal?

Supplementary question: if it is legal, where does one get one?

For those of us that did not see it, any links?

I tried, but didn't find any - however Phil Cook correctly identified it,
here: http://www.dotbike.com/ProductsP1646.aspx?Track=FGL

It doesn't look like a bike helmet, it looks much more like a skull cap. I
don't suppose it's any better in a crash than any other helmet - except
less likely to cause rotational injuries - but at least he didn't look
like a total dork wearing it.

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Quoted message said:

It doesn't look like a bike helmet, it looks much more like a skull cap. I
don't suppose it's any better in a crash than any other helmet - except
less likely to cause rotational injuries - but at least he didn't look
like a total dork wearing it.

Whereas some of us thought it was an incredibly ugly lid looking very dorky
:-)

wafflycat said:

"Simon Brooke" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

It doesn't look like a bike helmet, it looks much more like a skull
cap. I
don't suppose it's any better in a crash than any other helmet - except
less likely to cause rotational injuries - but at least he didn't look
like a total dork wearing it.

Whereas some of us thought it was an incredibly ugly lid looking very
dorky :-)

I am sure that in the pursuit of speed, thoughts of fashion and
dorkiness are secondary. Having only seen the links to the helmet, I
imagine it would make one look a bit like a bug eyed monster.

--
Don Whybrow

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Simon Brooke said:

It doesn't look like a bike helmet, it looks much more like a skull cap. I
don't suppose it's any better in a crash than any other helmet - except
less likely to cause rotational injuries - but at least he didn't look
like a total dork wearing it.

And sooooo much better than those long ugly pointy athings that stick two-feet
up into the air like an alien antennae when the wearer contemplates the
tarmac, while two feet behind the artic/coach/caravan they are tailgating.

It looks more like the BMX stylee which has an in-built youngster cool-factor.

It should be matt black tho' ;-)

John B

Don Whybrow said:

wafflycat said:

"Simon Brooke" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

It doesn't look like a bike helmet, it looks much more like a skull
cap. I
don't suppose it's any better in a crash than any other helmet - except
less likely to cause rotational injuries - but at least he didn't look
like a total dork wearing it.

Whereas some of us thought it was an incredibly ugly lid looking very
dorky :-)

I am sure that in the pursuit of speed, thoughts of fashion and
dorkiness are secondary. Having only seen the links to the helmet, I
imagine it would make one look a bit like a bug eyed monster.

Yep, a bug-eyed-mighty-fast-monster-thighed-kilo-specialist bike
rider. Here he is in ation at the worlds.

http://www.britishcycling.org.uk/web/MultimediaFiles/20060414_WORLDS_D2_019.JPG
--
Phil Cook looking north over the park to the "Westminster Gasworks"

in message <[email hidden]>, Don Whybrow

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wafflycat said:

"Simon Brooke" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

It doesn't look like a bike helmet, it looks much more like a skull
cap. I
don't suppose it's any better in a crash than any other helmet - except
less likely to cause rotational injuries - but at least he didn't look
like a total dork wearing it.

Whereas some of us thought it was an incredibly ugly lid looking very
dorky :-)

I am sure that in the pursuit of speed, thoughts of fashion and
dorkiness are secondary. Having only seen the links to the helmet, I
imagine it would make one look a bit like a bug eyed monster.

Yup. But, seeing the rules are you have to wear something silly on your
head for racing, I thought that one looked interestingly less silly.

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Desist, for shame! Proceed no further: God won't accept your thanks for
murther
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Simon Brooke said:

in message <[email hidden]>, Don Whybrow

(') said:

Simon Brooke said:

What on Earth was Chris Hoy wearing on his head this weekend, and can it
possibly be UCI-legal?

Supplementary question: if it is legal, where does one get one?

For those of us that did not see it, any links?

I tried, but didn't find any - however Phil Cook correctly identified it,
here: http://www.dotbike.com/ProductsP1646.aspx?Track=FGL

It doesn't look like a bike helmet, it looks much more like a skull cap. I
don't suppose it's any better in a crash than any other helmet - except
less likely to cause rotational injuries - but at least he didn't look
like a total dork wearing it.

Whoever wrote that press release doesn't know as much as they think they
know about aerodynamics.
My knowledge isn't perfect (doesn't smeone here have the Navier Stokes
eqn in there sig?) but what I think they're trying to claim is:

The helmet doesnt have the classic teardrop shape (which is used to
prevent flow separation) because the dimples cause turbulence in the
boundary layer, which prevents the adverse velocity profiles that cause
flow separtion and hence form drag.

They talk about "> Breaking surface air tension and prevent it from
clinging on and down the riders back.

Apart from the nonsense about surface air tension, don't you actually
*want* the flow to remain attatched down the rider's back?
Ho Hum
Yeaterday I came across a picture of myself riding in a TT wearing a
lycra hat (like a swimming hat) that I thought would save me a handful
of seconds. It made me look like a complete wazzock. It wan't even on
straight.
Roger Thorpe

Roger Thorpe said:

Simon Brooke said:

in message <[email hidden]>, Don Whybrow

(') said:

Simon Brooke wrote:

>What on Earth was Chris Hoy wearing on his head this weekend, and can it
>possibly be UCI-legal?
>
>Supplementary question: if it is legal, where does one get one?
>

For those of us that did not see it, any links?

I tried, but didn't find any - however Phil Cook correctly identified it,
here: http://www.dotbike.com/ProductsP1646.aspx?Track=FGL

It doesn't look like a bike helmet, it looks much more like a skull cap. I
don't suppose it's any better in a crash than any other helmet - except
less likely to cause rotational injuries - but at least he didn't look
like a total dork wearing it.

Whoever wrote that press release doesn't know as much as they think they
know about aerodynamics.
My knowledge isn't perfect (doesn't smeone here have the Navier Stokes
eqn in there sig?) but what I think they're trying to claim is:

The helmet doesnt have the classic teardrop shape (which is used to
prevent flow separation) because the dimples cause turbulence in the
boundary layer, which prevents the adverse velocity profiles that cause
flow separtion and hence form drag.

They talk about "> Breaking surface air tension and prevent it from
clinging on and down the riders back.

Apart from the nonsense about surface air tension, don't you actually
*want* the flow to remain attatched down the rider's back?
Ho Hum

You want the flow to separate behind the head in a controlled manner.
In a kilo or sprint situation a rider's head will present varying
aspects so a teardrop will cause more drag than it would if you kept
your head still as you might for a pursuit of longer road time trial.

The intricacies of laminar flow, turbulent flow and boundary layers
are well complicated. Suffice to say a dimpled golf ball will fly
further than a plain one.
--
Phil Cook looking north over the park to the "Westminster Gasworks"

Simon Brooke said:

Yup. But, seeing the rules are you have to wear something silly on your
head for racing, I thought that one looked interestingly less silly.

Agreed on the looks, but at £170 it is very silly indeed...

Tony B

Tony B said:

Simon Brooke said:

Yup. But, seeing the rules are you have to wear something silly on your
head for racing, I thought that one looked interestingly less silly.

Agreed on the looks, but at £170 it is very silly indeed...

I think he could afford a few of those with the £10K he got for
winning the International Kierin.

Put it this way, whatever he wears, if you race him you are looking at
the back of it.

It then becomes cool.

...d

Quoted message said:

It should be matt black tho' ;-)

I was there today.There were plenty of empty seats to my surprise.
I t was a fantastic day out.

I thought that , if asked, I would paint one of those lids with hair
at the side and a sparse comb-over.

TerryJ

Quoted message said:

Yup. But, seeing the rules are you have to wear something silly on your
head for racing, I thought that one looked interestingly less silly.

Wot I thought. He'd look absolutely stupid in it, if it weren't for the
others in their 'normal' helmets.

The silliest-looking of them all has to be the poor chap on the derny.

Mark Thompson said:

Quoted message said:

Yup. But, seeing the rules are you have to wear something silly on your
head for racing, I thought that one looked interestingly less silly.

Wot I thought. He'd look absolutely stupid in it, if it weren't for the
others in their 'normal' helmets.

The silliest-looking of them all has to be the poor chap on the derny.

Have you seen the helmets they wear on the big motors?

http://www.bobkestrut.com/images/2005dortmund.jpg
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Phil Cook looking north over the park to the "Westminster Gasworks"

elyob said:

However, I did wonder if I was a great cyclist, maybe I could wear what I
wanted?

That's probably about it- you don't get laughed at so much if you
cross the line first...

A while back I remember someone posting to rec.skiing about how happy
he was with a pair of Lange boots that had lost him three toenails...
What would make him unhappy with a pair of boots?

"Losing".

Cheers,
W.

On Feb 25, 10:26 pm, "David Martin" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Tony B said:

Simon Brooke wrote:

<snip>

Quoted message said:

It then becomes cool.

..d

....or very, very hot. Don't see much ventilation there. Probably
doesn't matter much to the kilo. specialists and other short distance
track monsters, but it looks like it was designed to cause your head
to overheat as fast as possible.

bookieb