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  1. With the trouble that I am having with my fly, I feel it would be pointless
    to waste money on going to a race that I likely would be DQed at. I have
    about a month to make it good. That likely is not going to happen.

    I have 3 options.

    1) go, enter the race for 100IM and take my chances.

    2) go, enter a race for something else.

    3) Dont go, get better, enter race when I am ready

    1, I likely wont do, I am not ready. 2, I do not want to do, as I want to
    race a certain event. 3, I might do.

    Any recomendations? I will need to make up my mind soon.

    Thanks

    Micheal

  2. Micheal Artindale said:

    With the trouble that I am having with my fly, I feel it would be pointless
    to waste money on going to a race that I likely would be DQed at. I have
    about a month to make it good. That likely is not going to happen.

    You are already talking yourself out of reaching your goal.

    Don't do that.

    Your goal is to swim the race.

    A DQ doesn't matter in the learning phase.

    A DQ is useful to see what you are doing wrong.

    Swim the race.

    Quoted message said:

    I have 3 options.

    1) go, enter the race for 100IM and take my chances.

    2) go, enter a race for something else.

    3) Dont go, get better, enter race when I am ready

    1, I likely wont do, I am not ready. 2, I do not want to do, as I want to
    race a certain event. 3, I might do.

    Any recomendations? I will need to make up my mind soon.

    You have two options.

    (a) Swim the race and learn from the experience.

    (b) Don't swim the race, but spend the money on lessons.

    I recommend (a) Swim the race.

    Reach the goal.

  3. Nah, this was predictable. It goes like this: pick an unobtainable goal and
    then back out at the last moment. He could have picked something that he
    could actually succeed at, but his response is "I don't want to."

    yawn.

    Pat in TX

  4. Seriously?!

    "Micheal Artindale" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    With the trouble that I am having with my fly, I feel it would be
    pointless to waste money on going to a race that I likely would be
    DQed at. I have about a month to make it good. That likely is not
    going to happen.

    I have 3 options.

    1) go, enter the race for 100IM and take my chances.

    2) go, enter a race for something else.

    3) Dont go, get better, enter race when I am ready

    1, I likely wont do, I am not ready. 2, I do not want to do, as I want
    to race a certain event. 3, I might do.

    Any recomendations? I will need to make up my mind soon.

    Thanks

    Micheal

    You set this goal for yourself awhile ago.
    Personally I think you jumped the gun and failed to properly plan. Don't
    be embarassed and back away - learn from it and follow through.

    What was your reason for wanting to enter this particular event
    originally? It obviously was important enough at the time, and must
    still be if you don't wish to race something else.

    As for not going at all, depends what you have invested so far. I
    thought you had already spent some money on preparations. Experience is
    valuable and cost something; so if you have already invested, go and
    learn.

    Finally I come back to the instruction and money issue.
    Personally I would want to do my best, knowing that I put in the work
    and did what I had to do to reach my goal. Last year I committed to
    entering the Gatorman and spent 9 months nursing my shoulder and
    building the endurance. My new sights on focused on having a similar
    performance in the next Gatorman but also tackling the 1-mile
    roughtwater beforehand with a double-entry. I am not looking to place,
    only to beat my personal times and finish within a set percetnage fo the
    pack.

    If you are thinking of competing in a 100IM, something that should last
    no longer than 2 minutes total -- you should fist be confident in your
    strokes -- and you have already stated your butterfly and freestyle
    crawl need serious work. Breaststroke and back-crawl are the other two
    disciplines, plus the four various turns!

    Get some coaching, do some practice, train to be able to do 4 x 100
    IM's. Be able to do a 200IM. Then enter in an event.

    Do you have ANY competitive swimming experience?
    How you sat through a swim meet and know the process? Warm-ups, heats,
    finals - etc.
    Do you know how to come off the starting blocks?

    It is your life, time, and money.

    We care, and are interested - but dammit you need to follow some advice
    here if you keep asking.

  5. "Steph" <[email hidden]_CUT> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Seriously?!

    "Micheal Artindale" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    With the trouble that I am having with my fly, I feel it would be
    pointless to waste money on going to a race that I likely would be
    DQed at. I have about a month to make it good. That likely is not
    going to happen.

    I have 3 options.

    1) go, enter the race for 100IM and take my chances.

    2) go, enter a race for something else.

    3) Dont go, get better, enter race when I am ready

    1, I likely wont do, I am not ready. 2, I do not want to do, as I want
    to race a certain event. 3, I might do.

    Any recomendations? I will need to make up my mind soon.

    Thanks

    Micheal

    You set this goal for yourself awhile ago.
    Personally I think you jumped the gun and failed to properly plan. Don't
    be embarassed and back away - learn from it and follow through.

    So, Go and get DQed?

    Quoted message said:


    What was your reason for wanting to enter this particular event
    originally? It obviously was important enough at the time, and must
    still be if you don't wish to race something else.

    A challenge. I could never do fly. This would prove to myself that I can do
    it.

    Quoted message said:


    As for not going at all, depends what you have invested so far. I
    thought you had already spent some money on preparations. Experience is
    valuable and cost something; so if you have already invested, go and
    learn.

    I have not spent the money on registrations fees or booking the motel room.

    It would be different if I have already done that.

    Quoted message said:


    Finally I come back to the instruction and money issue.
    Personally I would want to do my best, knowing that I put in the work
    and did what I had to do to reach my goal. Last year I committed to
    entering the Gatorman and spent 9 months nursing my shoulder and
    building the endurance. My new sights on focused on having a similar
    performance in the next Gatorman but also tackling the 1-mile
    roughtwater beforehand with a double-entry. I am not looking to place,
    only to beat my personal times and finish within a set percetnage fo the
    pack.

    If you are thinking of competing in a 100IM, something that should last
    no longer than 2 minutes total -- you should fist be confident in your
    strokes -- and you have already stated your butterfly and freestyle
    crawl need serious work. Breaststroke and back-crawl are the other two
    disciplines, plus the four various turns!

    My front, besides the high stoke count is not that bad, neither is my other
    2 strokes.

    My turns suck.

    Quoted message said:


    Get some coaching, do some practice, train to be able to do 4 x 100
    IM's. Be able to do a 200IM. Then enter in an event.

    That is my thought.

    Quoted message said:


    Do you have ANY competitive swimming experience?

    Yes, 10 years ago

    Quoted message said:

    How you sat through a swim meet and know the process? Warm-ups, heats,
    finals - etc.

    Yes, 10 years ago

    Quoted message said:

    Do you know how to come off the starting blocks?

    Sort of. Havent had to do it since I last raced. May end up doing belly
    flops, but, with IM, you start in the water to do Back, right?

    Quoted message said:


    It is your life, time, and money.

    I know

    Quoted message said:


    We care, and are interested - but dammit you need to follow some advice
    here if you keep asking.

    Which of the three choices i listed would you do if you were in my shoes?

    Thanks,

    micheal

  6. Micheal Artindale said:


    "Steph" <[email hidden]_CUT> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Seriously?!

    "Micheal Artindale" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    With the trouble that I am having with my fly, I feel it would be
    pointless to waste money on going to a race that I likely would be
    DQed at. I have about a month to make it good. That likely is not
    going to happen.

    I have 3 options.

    1) go, enter the race for 100IM and take my chances.

    2) go, enter a race for something else.

    3) Dont go, get better, enter race when I am ready

    1, I likely wont do, I am not ready. 2, I do not want to do, as I want
    to race a certain event. 3, I might do.

    Any recomendations? I will need to make up my mind soon.

    Thanks

    Micheal

    You set this goal for yourself awhile ago.
    Personally I think you jumped the gun and failed to properly plan. Don't
    be embarassed and back away - learn from it and follow through.

    So, Go and get DQed?

    Go and swim the race. If you get DQed, ask the judge who DQed you to
    explain what you were doing wrong. They are usually happy to help.


  7. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    You set this goal for yourself awhile ago.
    Personally I think you jumped the gun and failed to properly plan.


    Don't

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    be embarassed and back away - learn from it and follow through.

    So, Go and get DQed?

    Go and swim the race. If you get DQed, ask the judge who DQed you to
    explain what you were doing wrong. They are usually happy to help.


    I never looked at it that way.

    It might actually be worth the money.

    For all I know, I may not get DQed.

    Micheal

  8. "Micheal Artindale" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    You set this goal for yourself awhile ago.
    Personally I think you jumped the gun and failed to properly plan.
    Don't be embarassed and back away - learn from it and follow through.

    So, Go and get DQed?

    Yeah... so what? A DQ or a DNF isn't something you wear as an armbind for
    the rest of your years.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    What was your reason for wanting to enter this particular event
    originally? It obviously was important enough at the time, and must
    still be if you don't wish to race something else.

    A challenge. I could never do fly. This would prove to myself that I
    can do it.


    I respect the premise, however are you sure it is an appropriate goal?
    Please do not answer that one here, just in your own head.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    As for not going at all, depends what you have invested so far. I
    thought you had already spent some money on preparations. Experience
    is valuable and cost something; so if you have already invested, go
    and learn.

    I have not spent the money on registrations fees or booking the motel
    room.

    It would be different if I have already done that.


    Yes, yes it would.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    Finally I come back to the instruction and money issue.
    Personally I would want to do my best, knowing that I put in the work
    and did what I had to do to reach my goal. Last year I committed to


    [SNIP]

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    If you are thinking of competing in a 100IM, something that should
    last no longer than 2 minutes total -- you should fist be confident
    in your strokes -- and you have already stated your butterfly and
    freestyle crawl need serious work. Breaststroke and back-crawl are
    the other two disciplines, plus the four various turns!

    My front, besides the high stoke count is not that bad, neither is my
    other 2 strokes.

    My turns suck.

    So what.. your goal is to simply finish without being DQ'd?
    Sorry I don't get it; you said you cn swim 4km - but the goal is to
    compete in the 100IM. Again... seriously? [censored], over in 2 minutes or
    less?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    Get some coaching, do some practice, train to be able to do 4 x 100
    IM's. Be able to do a 200IM. Then enter in an event.

    That is my thought.

    Quoted message said:


    Do you have ANY competitive swimming experience?

    Yes, 10 years ago

    Quoted message said:

    Have you sat through a swim meet and know the process? Warm-ups,
    heats, finals - etc.

    Yes, 10 years ago

    Quoted message said:

    Do you know how to come off the starting blocks?

    Sort of. Havent had to do it since I last raced. May end up doing
    belly flops, but, with IM, you start in the water to do Back, right?

    Umm.. first off, no. For the Individual Medley (IM) races you start on
    top of the blocks, the order being Fly, Back, Breast, Free.
    For Medley Relays the order would be Back, Brast, Fly, and Free
    see the official rules here regarding medleys
    http://www.fina.org/rules/SW/rules_sw9.htm

    I can still do a mean start off the blocks, both in water backstroke
    start and forward --- but I never mastered doing it with goggles, so any
    distance (50 yards to 1650m) would be tough for me without training on
    that deficiency, or preparing for it by learning to swim without googles
    altogether and still make my turns.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    It is your life, time, and money.

    I know

    Quoted message said:


    We care, and are interested - but dammit you need to follow some
    advice here if you keep asking.

    Which of the three choices i listed would you do if you were in my
    shoes?

    I have told you already what i think.

    One must understand, I don't know you, and I cannot know of all the
    factors that influence your life and decisions -- and a person would be
    foolish and not very well respected if he/she were to allow others to
    tell him/her how to life their life.

    Ask for advice (did that), weigh the information, filter out the bogus or
    non-applicable, then make a decision for yourself; one that you can live
    with and embrace. And really evaluate whether the goal is a baby step or
    a long-term attainment. As I said for me I wanted to not only get back
    into formal openwater swims, but specifically to do the Gatorman without
    earning a DNF (1 hr 45 minute cutoff). That was a long-range goal that
    worked over time laying the groundwork to accomplish other goals as well
    (tracking 300 miles for the Calendar year period) and being able to do
    the 3 mi in 1 hr 21 minutes. I was a little lost for a few weeks after
    reaching these two goals but have a new one to work towards for next
    September and I have laid out my plans/workouts to make it happen. My
    total mileage since tracking has since passed 410 miles, and I hope to
    hit 650 by September in addition to being ready to do the 1 miler
    followed by the 3 mile Gator and then 2 weeks later participate in a 10
    mile relay. If I were to set sights on doing a 50m free race as I had
    done in age groups 25+ years ago that would not be much of an
    accomplishment [for me] to proud of -- although sure my time back "then"
    was something like 45-50 seconds and I can do it in under 28 seconds easy
    now.

  9. Martin Smith <[email hidden]> wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:
    Micheal Artindale said:


    "Steph" <[email hidden]_CUT> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Seriously?!

    "Micheal Artindale" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    > With the trouble that I am having with my fly, I feel it would be
    > pointless to waste money on going to a race that I likely would be
    > DQed at. I have about a month to make it good. That likely is not
    > going to happen.
    >
    > I have 3 options.
    >
    > 1) go, enter the race for 100IM and take my chances.
    >
    > 2) go, enter a race for something else.
    >
    > 3) Dont go, get better, enter race when I am ready
    >
    > 1, I likely wont do, I am not ready. 2, I do not want to do, as I
    > want to race a certain event. 3, I might do.
    >
    > Any recomendations? I will need to make up my mind soon.
    >
    > Thanks
    >
    > Micheal
    >
    >

    You set this goal for yourself awhile ago.
    Personally I think you jumped the gun and failed to properly plan.
    Don't be embarassed and back away - learn from it and follow
    through.

    So, Go and get DQed?

    Go and swim the race. If you get DQed, ask the judge who DQed you to
    explain what you were doing wrong. They are usually happy to help.

    DQ because you entered the water in prep for a backstroke start?
    DQ because you false started off the top of the blocks twice or failed to
    come down to ready position when signaled?
    DQ because one of your strokes is illegal?
    DNF because you can't swim fly?
    DQ because of an illegal turn or otherwise didn't touch both hands to
    wall?

    .... when all is said and done would you have or have not accomplomished
    the goal you had set for yourself? Which was to swim a 100m IM in a race
    unless there is more to it.

  10. "Steph" <[email hidden]_CUT> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Micheal Artindale" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    You set this goal for yourself awhile ago.
    Personally I think you jumped the gun and failed to properly plan.
    Don't be embarassed and back away - learn from it and follow through.

    So, Go and get DQed?

    Yeah... so what? A DQ or a DNF isn't something you wear as an armbind for
    the rest of your years.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    What was your reason for wanting to enter this particular event
    originally? It obviously was important enough at the time, and must
    still be if you don't wish to race something else.

    A challenge. I could never do fly. This would prove to myself that I
    can do it.


    I respect the premise, however are you sure it is an appropriate goal?
    Please do not answer that one here, just in your own head.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    As for not going at all, depends what you have invested so far. I
    thought you had already spent some money on preparations. Experience
    is valuable and cost something; so if you have already invested, go
    and learn.

    I have not spent the money on registrations fees or booking the motel
    room.

    It would be different if I have already done that.


    Yes, yes it would.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    Finally I come back to the instruction and money issue.
    Personally I would want to do my best, knowing that I put in the work
    and did what I had to do to reach my goal. Last year I committed to


    [SNIP]

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    If you are thinking of competing in a 100IM, something that should
    last no longer than 2 minutes total -- you should fist be confident
    in your strokes -- and you have already stated your butterfly and
    freestyle crawl need serious work. Breaststroke and back-crawl are
    the other two disciplines, plus the four various turns!

    My front, besides the high stoke count is not that bad, neither is my
    other 2 strokes.

    My turns suck.

    So what.. your goal is to simply finish without being DQ'd?
    Sorry I don't get it; you said you cn swim 4km - but the goal is to
    compete in the 100IM. Again... seriously? [censored], over in 2 minutes or
    less?

    I have many goals. This goal, is to be able to do the 200IM competitivy, in
    otherwords, not last place, and not DQed. the 100IM would be something to
    tell me if the 200IM is possible for me to do in the near future.

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    Get some coaching, do some practice, train to be able to do 4 x 100
    IM's. Be able to do a 200IM. Then enter in an event.

    That is my thought.

    Quoted message said:


    Do you have ANY competitive swimming experience?

    Yes, 10 years ago

    Quoted message said:

    Have you sat through a swim meet and know the process? Warm-ups,
    heats, finals - etc.

    Yes, 10 years ago

    Quoted message said:

    Do you know how to come off the starting blocks?

    Sort of. Havent had to do it since I last raced. May end up doing
    belly flops, but, with IM, you start in the water to do Back, right?

    Umm.. first off, no. For the Individual Medley (IM) races you start on
    top of the blocks, the order being Fly, Back, Breast, Free.
    For Medley Relays the order would be Back, Brast, Fly, and Free
    see the official rules here regarding medleys
    http://www.fina.org/rules/SW/rules_sw9.htm

    Thank you, I thought it was back, breast, fly, free. I would definately be
    DQ for doing the wrong order.

    Quoted message said:

    I can still do a mean start off the blocks, both in water backstroke
    start and forward --- but I never mastered doing it with goggles, so any
    distance (50 yards to 1650m) would be tough for me without training on
    that deficiency, or preparing for it by learning to swim without googles
    altogether and still make my turns.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    It is your life, time, and money.

    I know

    Quoted message said:


    We care, and are interested - but dammit you need to follow some
    advice here if you keep asking.

    Which of the three choices i listed would you do if you were in my
    shoes?

    I have told you already what i think.

    One must understand, I don't know you, and I cannot know of all the
    factors that influence your life and decisions -- and a person would be
    foolish and not very well respected if he/she were to allow others to
    tell him/her how to life their life.

    Ask for advice (did that), weigh the information, filter out the bogus or
    non-applicable, then make a decision for yourself; one that you can live
    with and embrace. And really evaluate whether the goal is a baby step or
    a long-term attainment. As I said for me I wanted to not only get back
    into formal openwater swims, but specifically to do the Gatorman without
    earning a DNF (1 hr 45 minute cutoff). That was a long-range goal that
    worked over time laying the groundwork to accomplish other goals as well
    (tracking 300 miles for the Calendar year period) and being able to do
    the 3 mi in 1 hr 21 minutes. I was a little lost for a few weeks after
    reaching these two goals but have a new one to work towards for next
    September and I have laid out my plans/workouts to make it happen. My
    total mileage since tracking has since passed 410 miles, and I hope to
    hit 650 by September in addition to being ready to do the 1 miler
    followed by the 3 mile Gator and then 2 weeks later participate in a 10
    mile relay. If I were to set sights on doing a 50m free race as I had
    done in age groups 25+ years ago that would not be much of an
    accomplishment [for me] to proud of -- although sure my time back "then"
    was something like 45-50 seconds and I can do it in under 28 seconds easy
    now.

    so, basically, work towards the goal, and when ready do it?

    Thanks for the insight

    Micheal

  11. Micheal Artindale said:

    "Steph" <[email hidden]_CUT> wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    So what.. your goal is to simply finish without being DQ'd?
    Sorry I don't get it; you said you cn swim 4km - but the goal is to
    compete in the 100IM. Again... seriously? [censored], over in 2 minutes or
    less?

    I have many goals. This goal, is to be able to do the 200IM competitivy, in
    otherwords, not last place, and not DQed. the 100IM would be something to
    tell me if the 200IM is possible for me to do in the near future.

    That wasn't the goal you stated. The goal was to enter and swim a 100IM.
    - period. Now you have changed it. Now you say the goal is to enter and
    swim a 200IM, not a 100IM, AND you have to do better than last place,
    AND you can't get DQed.

    Why do you do this to yourself? You do it every time.

  12. Micheal Artindale said:

    I have many goals. This goal, is to be able to do the 200IM competitivy, in
    otherwords, not last place, and not DQed. the 100IM would be something to
    tell me if the 200IM is possible for me to do in the near future.


    So your first goal should be : swim the 100IM, and not get DQed. As a
    first step to this goal, I think you should call the organizers of the
    meet, and ask them which regulations exactly they will use for the
    race. You can find the FINA regulations here :
    http://www.fina.org/rules/SW/rules_sw.htm but they could be using
    slightly different ones. Also ask them if you need to start with a
    dive, or if you can start in the water.

  13. "Martin Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Micheal Artindale said:

    "Steph" <[email hidden]_CUT> wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    So what.. your goal is to simply finish without being DQ'd?
    Sorry I don't get it; you said you cn swim 4km - but the goal is to
    compete in the 100IM. Again... seriously? [censored], over in 2 minutes or
    less?

    I have many goals. This goal, is to be able to do the 200IM competitivy,


    in

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    otherwords, not last place, and not DQed. the 100IM would be something


    to

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    tell me if the 200IM is possible for me to do in the near future.

    That wasn't the goal you stated. The goal was to enter and swim a 100IM.
    - period. Now you have changed it. Now you say the goal is to enter and
    swim a 200IM, not a 100IM, AND you have to do better than last place,
    AND you can't get DQed.

    Why do you do this to yourself? You do it every time.

    You do your homework on some things, but not on others?

    I originally wanted to do the 200IM, I changed it because of the fly.

    Micheal


  14. Quoted message said:

    That wasn't the goal you stated. The goal was to enter and swim a 100IM.
    - period. Now you have changed it. Now you say the goal is to enter and
    swim a 200IM, not a 100IM, AND you have to do better than last place, AND
    you can't get DQed.

    Why do you do this to yourself? You do it every time.

    1. He's doing it to us, not himself.
    2. He's a drama queen.
    3. He lives to be able to post new "delimmas" that coaches here will rush to
    help him through.
    4. Did I mention drama queen?

    Pat in TX, wondering what Micheal's next delimma will be so that he can
    start a new thread.....

    Quoted message said:
  15. Pat in TX said:
    Quoted message said:

    That wasn't the goal you stated. The goal was to enter and swim a 100IM.
    - period. Now you have changed it. Now you say the goal is to enter and
    swim a 200IM, not a 100IM, AND you have to do better than last place, AND
    you can't get DQed.

    Why do you do this to yourself? You do it every time.

    1. He's doing it to us, not himself.
    2. He's a drama queen.
    3. He lives to be able to post new "delimmas" that coaches here will rush to
    help him through.
    4. Did I mention drama queen?

    Pat in TX, wondering what Micheal's next delimma will be so that he can
    start a new thread.....

    That's all true, but his so-called dilemmas are false. Take this great
    100IM fiasco. There is no dilemma here. He either wants to swim it or he
    doesn't. It truely doesn't matter if he gets DQed. The swim doesn't mean
    anything to anyone but him. He isn't going to win. He will probably get
    last place, except that he will probably get DQed so he won't place at
    all. The purpose is to swim the race and reach the goal, learn from the
    experience, and, as an added bonus, if he gets DQed, the person who DQ's
    him can tell him what he did wrong and how to fix it.

    But he completely ignores the reason he set the goal in the first place,
    and instead, as he does with all his other goals, he talks himself out
    of it by stirring up a storm of excuses in his alleged mind. It is one
    thing to set a goal and fail to reach it in the attempt. That's
    honorable. That's sport. It is quite another thing to set a goal and
    then don't even suit up.

    I don't know why this pisses me off so much. Maybe it's because most of
    the important stuff I know I learned from failing.

  16. Micheal Artindale said:

    "Martin Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Micheal Artindale said:

    "Steph" <[email hidden]_CUT> wrote:

    Quoted message said:

    >So what.. your goal is to simply finish without being DQ'd?
    >Sorry I don't get it; you said you cn swim 4km - but the goal is to
    >compete in the 100IM. Again... seriously? [censored], over in 2 minutes or
    >less?

    I have many goals. This goal, is to be able to do the 200IM competitivy,

    in

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    otherwords, not last place, and not DQed. the 100IM would be something

    to

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    tell me if the 200IM is possible for me to do in the near future.

    That wasn't the goal you stated. The goal was to enter and swim a 100IM.
    - period. Now you have changed it. Now you say the goal is to enter and
    swim a 200IM, not a 100IM, AND you have to do better than last place,
    AND you can't get DQed.

    Why do you do this to yourself? You do it every time.

    You do your homework on some things, but not on others?

    I originally wanted to do the 200IM, I changed it because of the fly.

    You don't think that proves the point? You set the 200IM as your goal.
    Then you reneged on that because it had a 50 fly in it. So you changed
    your goal to the 100IM, which has a 25 fly in it. Now you are on the
    horns of a dilemma? Because of a 25 fly? If you really can't get through
    the 25 fly, what made you think you could get through a 50 fly?

    In fact you can get through a 200IM. You swam 4k without stopping.
    That's 20 x 200 without stopping, and you used all five strokes,
    whatever that means.

    You know you can get through both a 200IM or a 100IM.

    So what is your realk problem, because it is not butterfly.

    You should stop talking and swim the race.

  17. "Martin Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Micheal Artindale said:

    "Martin Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Micheal Artindale wrote:

    >"Steph" <[email hidden]_CUT> wrote:

    >>So what.. your goal is to simply finish without being DQ'd?
    >>Sorry I don't get it; you said you cn swim 4km - but the goal is to
    >>compete in the 100IM. Again... seriously? [censored], over in 2 minutes or
    >>less?
    >
    >
    >I have many goals. This goal, is to be able to do the 200IM


    competitivy,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    in

    Quoted message said:

    >otherwords, not last place, and not DQed. the 100IM would be something

    to

    Quoted message said:

    >tell me if the 200IM is possible for me to do in the near future.

    That wasn't the goal you stated. The goal was to enter and swim a 100IM.
    - period. Now you have changed it. Now you say the goal is to enter and
    swim a 200IM, not a 100IM, AND you have to do better than last place,
    AND you can't get DQed.

    Why do you do this to yourself? You do it every time.

    You do your homework on some things, but not on others?

    I originally wanted to do the 200IM, I changed it because of the fly.

    You don't think that proves the point? You set the 200IM as your goal.
    Then you reneged on that because it had a 50 fly in it. So you changed
    your goal to the 100IM, which has a 25 fly in it. Now you are on the
    horns of a dilemma? Because of a 25 fly? If you really can't get through
    the 25 fly, what made you think you could get through a 50 fly?

    I thought I would get quciker sooner.

    Quoted message said:


    In fact you can get through a 200IM. You swam 4k without stopping.
    That's 20 x 200 without stopping, and you used all five strokes,
    whatever that means.

    4 strokes, free, back breast and E back. No fly....

    Quoted message said:


    You know you can get through both a 200IM or a 100IM.

    So what is your realk problem, because it is not butterfly.

    You should stop talking and swim the race.

    and get DQed.

  18. Micheal Artindale said:

    "Martin Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Micheal Artindale said:

    "Martin Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    >Micheal Artindale wrote:
    >
    >
    >>"Steph" <[email hidden]_CUT> wrote:
    >
    >>>So what.. your goal is to simply finish without being DQ'd?
    >>>Sorry I don't get it; you said you cn swim 4km - but the goal is to
    >>>compete in the 100IM. Again... seriously? [censored], over in 2 minutes or
    >>>less?
    >>
    >>
    >>I have many goals. This goal, is to be able to do the 200IM


    competitivy,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    in

    >>otherwords, not last place, and not DQed. the 100IM would be something

    to

    >>tell me if the 200IM is possible for me to do in the near future.
    >
    >That wasn't the goal you stated. The goal was to enter and swim a 100IM.
    >- period. Now you have changed it. Now you say the goal is to enter and
    >swim a 200IM, not a 100IM, AND you have to do better than last place,
    >AND you can't get DQed.
    >
    >Why do you do this to yourself? You do it every time.
    >

    You do your homework on some things, but not on others?

    I originally wanted to do the 200IM, I changed it because of the fly.

    You don't think that proves the point? You set the 200IM as your goal.
    Then you reneged on that because it had a 50 fly in it. So you changed
    your goal to the 100IM, which has a 25 fly in it. Now you are on the
    horns of a dilemma? Because of a 25 fly? If you really can't get through
    the 25 fly, what made you think you could get through a 50 fly?

    I thought I would get quciker sooner.

    Quoted message said:


    In fact you can get through a 200IM. You swam 4k without stopping.
    That's 20 x 200 without stopping, and you used all five strokes,
    whatever that means.

    4 strokes, free, back breast and E back. No fly....

    Quoted message said:


    You know you can get through both a 200IM or a 100IM.

    So what is your realk problem, because it is not butterfly.

    You should stop talking and swim the race.

    and get DQed.

    My fly seriously sucks - I don't like it, I don't train it.

    But I can swim it well enough to do a 100m IM. After the dive start,
    you actually only have to swim about 20m of it. You have the momentum
    of the dive, and it's the first length so you are not tired.

    If, like you say, you are training "all four strokes" on a daily basis,
    then 25m of fly would be easily within your grasp. If you think you're
    going to be DQ'ed on some esoteric technique rule violation, then you
    are vastly overestimating the level of official zealousness at the
    average masters meet. I have rarely seen a DQ at a masters meet, and
    then usually only for a false start or some really obvious rule
    violation.

    Go swim the race. Report back how you got on. No matter what the
    result - DQ, finished last, whatever - at least you will be able to
    report on something that you have actually done, rather than something
    you are maybe thinking of doing one day, which is pretty much all your
    other posts are ever about.

    Liz D

  19. "Martin Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Pat in TX said:
    Quoted message said:

    That wasn't the goal you stated. The goal was to enter and swim a 100IM.
    - period. Now you have changed it. Now you say the goal is to enter and
    swim a 200IM, not a 100IM, AND you have to do better than last place, AND
    you can't get DQed.

    Why do you do this to yourself? You do it every time.

    1. He's doing it to us, not himself.
    2. He's a drama queen.
    3. He lives to be able to post new "delimmas" that coaches here will rush
    to help him through.
    4. Did I mention drama queen?

    Pat in TX, wondering what Micheal's next delimma will be so that he can
    start a new thread.....

    That's all true, but his so-called dilemmas are false. Take this great
    100IM fiasco. There is no dilemma here. He either wants to swim it or he
    doesn't. It truely doesn't matter if he gets DQed. The swim doesn't mean
    anything to anyone but him. He isn't going to win. He will probably get
    last place, except that he will probably get DQed so he won't place at
    all. The purpose is to swim the race and reach the goal, learn from the
    experience, and, as an added bonus, if he gets DQed, the person who DQ's
    him can tell him what he did wrong and how to fix it.

    But he completely ignores the reason he set the goal in the first place,
    and instead, as he does with all his other goals, he talks himself out of
    it by stirring up a storm of excuses in his alleged mind. It is one thing
    to set a goal and fail to reach it in the attempt. That's honorable.
    That's sport. It is quite another thing to set a goal and then don't even
    suit up.

    I don't know why this pisses me off so much. Maybe it's because most of
    the important stuff I know I learned from failing.

    If you keep feeding this troll, he'll get a big gut, then have another
    excuse not to do the things he plans to do.

  20. Micheal Artindale said:


    "Martin Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Micheal Artindale said:

    "Martin Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    >Micheal Artindale wrote:
    >
    >
    >>"Steph" <[email hidden]_CUT> wrote:
    >
    >>>So what.. your goal is to simply finish without being DQ'd?
    >>>Sorry I don't get it; you said you cn swim 4km - but the goal is to
    >>>compete in the 100IM. Again... seriously? [censored], over in 2 minutes or
    >>>less?
    >>
    >>
    >>I have many goals. This goal, is to be able to do the 200IM


    competitivy,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    in

    >>otherwords, not last place, and not DQed. the 100IM would be something

    to

    >>tell me if the 200IM is possible for me to do in the near future.
    >
    >That wasn't the goal you stated. The goal was to enter and swim a 100IM.
    >- period. Now you have changed it. Now you say the goal is to enter and
    >swim a 200IM, not a 100IM, AND you have to do better than last place,
    >AND you can't get DQed.
    >
    >Why do you do this to yourself? You do it every time.
    >

    You do your homework on some things, but not on others?

    I originally wanted to do the 200IM, I changed it because of the fly.

    You don't think that proves the point? You set the 200IM as your goal.
    Then you reneged on that because it had a 50 fly in it. So you changed
    your goal to the 100IM, which has a 25 fly in it. Now you are on the
    horns of a dilemma? Because of a 25 fly? If you really can't get through
    the 25 fly, what made you think you could get through a 50 fly?

    I thought I would get quciker sooner.

    But your speed has nothing to do with entering the race. Your goal was
    to swim a 200IM in a race. Now it is a 100IM. Speed has nothing to do
    with achieving this goal. You are simply setting up obstacles that
    don't exist.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    In fact you can get through a 200IM. You swam 4k without stopping.
    That's 20 x 200 without stopping, and you used all five strokes,
    whatever that means.

    4 strokes, free, back breast and E back. No fly....

    Quoted message said:


    You know you can get through both a 200IM or a 100IM.

    So what is your realk problem, because it is not butterfly.

    You should stop talking and swim the race.

    and get DQed.

    Why is that a problem for you? What do you think it means when Micheal
    Artindale gets DQed in a 100IM?

    They don't arrest you.

    They don't make you go to your room.

    Youth don't laugh at you. There won't even be any youth there.

    They might make you take off your speedo and do the limbo around the
    deck, but everybody has to do that at some point.

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