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  1. Hi all, I'm new to the group. I've never posted and I've perused the most recent posts for my
    questions, to no avail. There's lots of irrelevant chit-chat so I lost patience wading through the
    posts. I'm not sure if I should expect any replies but what the heck.

    1) I'm looking for a bike trainer. What's good and why? (i.e.: roller, mag, liquid, etc...
    price, quality, durability, accurate simulation, etc... )

    2) There's a 120 km endurance race coming up in 6 months. My first question here is about food.
    How should I eat? (The days before the race and during race day?) Second question... What's
    an ideal way to train for this? (As a little background, this is a non-technical race. It's
    almost entirely back roads with only minor elevation changes. Most important to note, much
    of the course is sandy.) I intend to lose the knobbies and put on the slickest mtb tires I
    can find and pump them as hard as they'll take.

    Thanks Peb0

  2. "Peb0" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Hi all, I'm new to the group. I've never posted and I've perused the most recent posts for my
    questions, to no avail. There's lots of irrelevant chit-chat so I lost patience wading through the
    posts. I'm not sure if I should expect any replies but what the heck.

    1) I'm looking for a bike trainer. What's good and why? (i.e.:


    roller,

    Quoted message said:

    mag, liquid, etc... price, quality, durability, accurate simulation, etc... )

    I like rollers because a) I don't have to attach my bike to anything, b) it's more realistic riding,
    you have to pay attention to what you're doing,
    c) it's easy to find cheap used rollers, d) they're more fun because you can do tricks like riding
    no handed, not a trivial thing to do.

    Quoted message said:


    2) There's a 120 km endurance race coming up in 6 months. My first
    question here is about food. How should I eat? (The days before the race


    and

    Quoted message said:

    during race day?) Second question... What's an ideal way to train for


    this?

    Quoted message said:

    (As a little background, this is a non-technical race. It's almost


    entirely

    Quoted message said:

    back roads with only minor elevation changes. Most important to note, much of the course is
    sandy.) I intend to lose the knobbies and put on the slickest mtb tires I can find and pump them
    as hard as they'll take.

    Can't help you there other than to be sure that you're hydrated before the race.

    Greg

  3. Peb0 said:

    Hi all, I'm new to the group. I've never posted and I've perused the most recent posts for my
    questions, to no avail. There's lots of irrelevant chit-chat so I lost patience wading through the
    posts. I'm not sure if I should expect any replies but what the heck.

    1) I'm looking for a bike trainer. What's good and why? (i.e.: roller, mag, liquid, etc...
    price, quality, durability, accurate simulation, etc... )

    2) There's a 120 km endurance race coming up in 6 months. My first question here is about
    food. How should I eat? (The days before the race and during race day?) Second question...
    What's an ideal way to train for this? (As a little background, this is a non-technical
    race. It's almost entirely back roads with only minor elevation changes. Most important to
    note, much of the course is sandy.) I intend to lose the knobbies and put on the slickest
    mtb tires I can find and pump them as hard as they'll take.

    Thanks Peb0

    I don't own a trainer nor do I race, but I've seen several discussions on your questions in the
    past. While you may have perused the most recent posts, you don't indicate whether you searched
    through the NG archives.

    Try using the google NG search functions. Also check and/or post in reb.bicycles.racing. I recall
    seeing similar discussions there in recent weeks.

  4. Get on your bike and pedal.

    I MTB 2004

  5. Peb0 said:

    Hi all, I'm new to the group. I've never posted and I've perused the most recent posts for my
    questions, to no avail. There's lots of irrelevant chit-chat so I lost patience wading through the
    posts. I'm not sure if I should expect any replies but what the heck.

    1) I'm looking for a bike trainer. What's good and why? (i.e.: roller, mag, liquid, etc...
    price, quality, durability, accurate simulation, etc... )

    2) There's a 120 km endurance race coming up in 6 months. My first question here is about
    food. How should I eat? (The days before the race and during race day?) Second question...
    What's an ideal way to train for this? (As a little background, this is a non-technical
    race. It's almost entirely back roads with only minor elevation changes. Most important to
    note, much of the course is sandy.) I intend to lose the knobbies and put on the slickest
    mtb tires I can find and pump them as hard as they'll take.

    Thanks Peb0


    You might compare what's showing up through your ISP with Google Groups. I know of a thread
    regarding trainers that I posted to this week (I like my schwinn spinner) and someone else
    recommended a Concept 2 rower (also good-maybe better for mountain biking FTM).

    As for #2 unless you can stomach 4 hours on a trainer (ick!) get out and ride. If you condition
    yourself to be riding 3-4 hours regularly, you'll only need a few cliff bars and bananas and lots of
    water to race that kind of distance under those conditions. Train like you race.

    Cheers, Shawn

  6. <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Get on your bike and pedal.

    I MTB 2004


    hmmm... informative and helpful. How can you get such a quality response in such a concise format?

    Quoted message said:
  7. Peb0 said:

    <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Get on your bike and pedal.

    I MTB 2004


    hmmm... informative and helpful. How can you get such a quality response in such a concise format?

    Sound's like the man didn't get his money's worth. Crazy, I say you refund whatever he paid you.
    Obviously you failed to realize you were obligated to give the man the answer he was looking for. I
    do think Peb is quite right in demanding that you give him something for nothing.

    Personally, I try not to get worked up about the answer when asking for free advice. ... and frankly
    who can argue with "Get on your bike and pedal"? That's about all you really need to know.

    Tom

  8. "Shawn Curry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Peb0 said:

    Hi all, I'm new to the group. I've never posted and I've perused the most recent posts for my
    questions, to no avail. There's lots of irrelevant chit-chat so I lost patience wading through
    the posts. I'm not sure if I should expect any replies but what the heck.

    1) I'm looking for a bike trainer. What's good and why? (i.e.:


    roller,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    mag, liquid, etc... price, quality, durability, accurate simulation, etc... )

    2) There's a 120 km endurance race coming up in 6 months. My first
    question here is about food. How should I eat? (The days before the race


    and

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    during race day?) Second question... What's an ideal way to train for


    this?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    (As a little background, this is a non-technical race. It's almost


    entirely

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    back roads with only minor elevation changes. Most important to note,


    much

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    of the course is sandy.) I intend to lose the knobbies and put on the slickest mtb tires I can
    find and pump them as hard as they'll take.

    Thanks Peb0


    You might compare what's showing up through your ISP with Google Groups.
    I know of a thread regarding trainers that I posted to this week

    I may have found that thread already... thanks

    Quoted message said:

    (I like my schwinn spinner) and someone else recommended a Concept 2 rower (also good-maybe better
    for mountain biking FTM).

    As for #2 unless you can stomach 4 hours on a trainer (ick!) get out and ride. If you condition
    yourself to be riding 3-4 hours regularly, you'll only need a few cliff bars and bananas and lots
    of water to race that kind of distance under those conditions. Train like you race.> Cheers, Shawn

    Getting out and riding is easier said than done. First off, the -30 degree weather just broke
    (today is a balmy -3), so riding outside is rather hostile. I can do it sometimes but other
    times it's just too harsh. I realize that spring is just around the corner and that's a good
    thing, but I can see getting a good trainer as a longer term solution as well. My other reason
    for wanting a trainer is that I live in the Canadian praries. I can imagine that 2 hours on a
    trainer can not be more monotonous than a 2 hour ride down dusty mile roads. If I want to ride
    trails, it's a minimum half hour drive one way, so that means that approximately 1.5 hours are
    wasted packing up and driving, when sometimes, all I want to do is spin and keep my cardio in
    shape. Having a full-time job, wife, kids and other commitments means that by the time I get
    home from work and have supper, it's pretty difficult to squeeze 4 hours out of the evening
    just for riding (don't get me wrong, I've done it, but it burns up those valuable brownie
    points like crazy). It would be ideal to simply hop out to the garage and spin for a couple of
    hours each day during the week and on weekends actually hit some trails. I suspect the race
    will take me approx. 6 hours. Last year the winning time was just under 4 hours. (It was
    accidentally extended to just over 130km when the lead quad took a wrong turn and added 10+km
    to the race.) My riding buddy did it in just over 6 hours and I have never ridden 120km in 1
    day in my life 🙂 If I expect to show any competitevness against my riding partner, I need to
    ride without him sometimes. 🙂

  9. "Peb0" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    Getting out and riding is easier said than done. First off, the -30 degree weather just broke
    (today is a balmy -3), so riding outside is


    rather

    Quoted message said:

    hostile. I can do it sometimes but other times it's just too harsh. I realize that spring is just
    around the corner and that's a good thing, but


    I

    Quoted message said:

    can see getting a good trainer as a longer term solution as well. My other reason for wanting
    a trainer is that I live in the Canadian praries. I can imagine that 2 hours on a trainer can
    not be more


    monotonous

    Quoted message said:

    than a 2 hour ride down dusty mile roads.

    Believe me, it is, it REALLY is.

    Greg

  10. re: Trainer, I'm a big fan of getting another rear wheel that has a small tight slick installed. It
    is so much smoother, quieter, and therefore more tolerable to my co-inhabitants, a quick wheel
    change and onto the trainer it goes, my muddy dirty knobby wheel gets the porch.

    Because I have disks, I use a folded fake credit card, these come in the mail to hold the pistons in
    position, so that they don't popout, because my second wheel does not have the disk mounted. Not
    having a brake doesnt' seem to matter as there is plenty of friction to stop the wheel.

    Eating, I suggest eating as much protien foods early on, like rice and bean combinations, soybeans
    and such with a minimal amount of animal protien. Then as race day approces within 5 days, I lay low
    on any food that could cause me gas or indigestion and eat whatever I want usually grilled cheese
    and spaghetti, things that I personally like. I also eat potato and split pea soups. The goal for me
    is not to risk eating any bad vegi's the few days before the race. I also stay up on my vitamin
    supplements. And finally for hydration, I mix 20% natural juice into my water, usually any
    berry/grape juice; the small amount of salt and sugar facilitate water absorbtion.

    HTH

    JeffP.....

    "Peb0" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Shawn Curry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Peb0 said:

    Hi all, I'm new to the group. I've never posted and I've perused the most recent posts for my
    questions, to no avail. There's lots of irrelevant chit-chat so I lost patience wading through
    the posts. I'm not sure if I should expect any replies but what the heck.

    1) I'm looking for a bike trainer. What's good and why? (i.e.:


    roller,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    mag, liquid, etc... price, quality, durability, accurate simulation, etc... )

    2) There's a 120 km endurance race coming up in 6 months. My first
    question here is about food. How should I eat? (The days before the race


    and

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    during race day?) Second question... What's an ideal way to train for


    this?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    (As a little background, this is a non-technical race. It's almost


    entirely

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    back roads with only minor elevation changes. Most important to note,


    much

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    of the course is sandy.) I intend to lose the knobbies and put on the slickest mtb tires I can
    find and pump them as hard as they'll take.

    Thanks Peb0


    You might compare what's showing up through your ISP with Google Groups.
    I know of a thread regarding trainers that I posted to this week

    I may have found that thread already... thanks

    Quoted message said:

    (I like my schwinn spinner) and someone else recommended a Concept 2 rower (also good-maybe
    better for mountain biking FTM).

    As for #2 unless you can stomach 4 hours on a trainer (ick!) get out and ride. If you condition
    yourself to be riding 3-4 hours regularly, you'll only need a few cliff bars and bananas and
    lots of water to race that kind of distance under those conditions. Train like you race.>
    Cheers, Shawn

    Getting out and riding is easier said than done. First off, the -30 degree weather just broke
    (today is a balmy -3), so riding outside is rather hostile. I can do it sometimes but other
    times it's just too harsh. I realize that spring is just around the corner and that's a good
    thing, but I can see getting a good trainer as a longer term solution as well. My other
    reason for wanting a trainer is that I live in the Canadian praries. I can imagine that 2
    hours on a trainer can not be more monotonous than a 2 hour ride down dusty mile roads. If I
    want to ride trails, it's a minimum half hour drive one way, so that means that approximately
    1.5 hours are wasted packing up and driving, when sometimes, all I want to do is spin and
    keep my cardio in shape. Having a full-time job, wife, kids and other commitments means that
    by the time I get home from work and have supper, it's pretty difficult to squeeze 4 hours
    out of the evening just for riding (don't get me wrong, I've done it, but it burns up those
    valuable brownie points like crazy). It would be ideal to simply hop out to the garage and
    spin for a couple of hours each day during the week and on weekends actually hit some trails.
    I suspect the race will take me approx. 6 hours. Last year the winning time was just under 4
    hours. (It was accidentally extended to just over 130km when the lead quad took a wrong turn
    and added 10+km to the race.) My riding buddy did it in just over 6 hours and I have never
    ridden 120km in 1 day in my life 🙂 If I expect to show any competitevness against my riding
    partner, I need to ride without him sometimes. 🙂

  11. "G.T." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Peb0" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    Getting out and riding is easier said than done. First off, the -30 degree weather just
    broke (today is a balmy -3), so riding outside is


    rather

    Quoted message said:

    hostile. I can do it sometimes but other times it's just too harsh. I realize that spring is
    just around the corner and that's a good thing,


    but

    Quoted message said:

    I

    Quoted message said:

    can see getting a good trainer as a longer term solution as well.
    My other reason for wanting a trainer is that I live in the


    Canadian

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    praries. I can imagine that 2 hours on a trainer can not be more


    monotonous

    Quoted message said:

    than a 2 hour ride down dusty mile roads.

    Believe me, it is, it REALLY is.

    To add to that, I've done some 2 hour rides on boring, flat desert roads that were infinitely more
    interesting than a roller session.

    Greg

  12. tcmedara said:
    Peb0 said:

    <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Get on your bike and pedal.

    I MTB 2004


    hmmm... informative and helpful. How can you get such a quality response in such a concise
    format?

    Sound's like the man didn't get his money's worth. Crazy, I say you refund whatever he paid you.
    Obviously you failed to realize you were obligated to give the man the answer he was looking for.
    I do think Peb is quite right in demanding that you give him something for nothing.

    Personally, I try not to get worked up about the answer when asking for free advice. ... and
    frankly who can argue with "Get on your bike and pedal"? That's about all you really need to know.

    Tom

    Do you think we should advice him to buy a helmet? No lets not, I mean how much advice can we give
    away for free.

    --
    Perre

    You have to be smarter than a robot to reply.

  13. "G.T." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "G.T." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Peb0" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    Getting out and riding is easier said than done. First off,


    the -30

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    degree weather just broke (today is a balmy -3), so riding outside is


    rather

    Quoted message said:

    hostile. I can do it sometimes but other times it's just too harsh. I realize that spring is
    just around the corner and that's a good thing,


    but

    Quoted message said:

    I

    Quoted message said:

    can see getting a good trainer as a longer term solution as well.
    My other reason for wanting a trainer is that I live in the


    Canadian

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    praries. I can imagine that 2 hours on a trainer can not be more


    monotonous

    Quoted message said:

    than a 2 hour ride down dusty mile roads.

    Believe me, it is, it REALLY is.

    To add to that, I've done some 2 hour rides on boring, flat desert roads that were infinitely more
    interesting than a roller session.

    Greg


    I have never lasted more than 40 minutes on a trainer. I could ride all day on the road or on the
    trails. But then again it takes me all day to ride. For the cold weather months, that's my only
    option. I do run to keep some cardio but that trainer is worse than running on a treadmill. During
    the mud season, I ride the road. After the mud clears, I hit the trails. I do try to get out when
    the stuff is frozen and not so treacherous as it is now.

    Don't know anything about rollers but everything I've heard is good.

    GP

  14. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Peb0 said:


    My other reason for wanting a trainer is that I live in the Canadian praries. I can imagine
    that 2 hours on a trainer can not be more monotonous than a 2 hour ride down dusty mile roads.

    Oh yes it can! At least for me. It depends on the person really. When I have to to a trainer "ride"
    I put videos on the TV (motorcycle trials, Tour de France, etc) and I can't stand more than an hour
    even then.

    Rollers are difficult to ride. You'll need road tires. You can't stand up on a trainer, too much
    stress on the frame. If you can stand up on rollers you're a god. You'll sweat all over your bike.
    Sweat is bad for bike parts. Put a towel over the headset.

    Quoted message said:

    If I want to ride trails, it's a
    minimum half hour drive one way

    Suck. I empathize, the closest legal trailhead is about that much of a drive for me.

    Quoted message said:

    , so that means that approximately 1.5 hours are wasted packing up and driving, when sometimes, all
    I want to do is spin and keep my cardio in shape. Having a full-time job, wife, kids and other
    commitments means that by the time I get home from work and have supper, it's pretty difficult to
    squeeze 4 hours out of the evening just for riding (don't get me wrong, I've done it, but it burns
    up those valuable brownie points like crazy).

    Try to get your riding done in the morning.

    Also, make your wife understand that riding is important to you. It'll be tough to train enough if
    you're getting hassled every time you want to ride. You'll have to offer to do something in return,
    like watch the kids when she's doing her hobby.

    You may just have to learn to sleep less.

    Quoted message said:

    It would be ideal to simply hop out to the garage and spin for a couple of hours each day during
    the week and on weekends actually hit some trails.

    If that's what it takes, you'll do it.

    Quoted message said:

    I suspect the race will take me approx. 6 hours. Last year the winning time was just under 4
    hours. (It was accidentally extended to just over 130km when the lead quad took a wrong turn
    and added 10+km to the race.) My riding buddy did it in just over 6 hours and I have never
    ridden 120km in 1 day in my life 🙂 If I expect to show any competitevness against my riding
    partner, I need to ride without him sometimes. 🙂

    As it warms up, start doing longer and longer rides. You need to build up to the 6 hours.

    Before the event, eat a lot of carbs. Do not experiment with wierd food the night before. Like say a
    "mexican pizza" with extra jalapenos. (I ate one the night before the Markleeville Death Ride last
    year. Fortunately I have an iron stomach when it comes to spicy food, but it could have easily
    turned out badly and ruined 8 months of training).

    The depletion phase of carb loading is bunk, don't bother.

    On the event itself, eat solid food and drink a sports drink that you have used before. If it's hot,
    you should phase out the sports drink after 4 hours or so and go to water. Otherwise you will bloat
    up like the Hindenburg.

    "Long Distance Cycling" by Fred Matheny and someone else who's name I can't remember (but could well
    be Ed Burke) is one of the better books on training and riding long events.

    Also, make a training plan that gets you used to the time and distance. Traditional wisdom is that
    you don't want to increase training time more than 10% a week. Even that's a lot, four consecutive
    weeks where you add 10% and you'll need a rest. I like to put in one easy week per month, to use
    when I'm feeling tired or I'm busy doing something else.

    Don't get too slavish about sticking to your plan. You'll have bad days when you're supposed to do a
    long hard ride, weeks when it's raining and you don't want to ride, and distractions from work and
    family. If there are other shorter events you can do in the months leading up to the big one, that
    will both help your training and let you know how you're doing. (and hopefully be fun as well)

    Good luck!

    Eric

  15. Eric M said:
    In article said:

    My other reason for wanting a trainer is that I live in the Canadian praries. I can imagine
    that 2 hours on a trainer can not be more monotonous than a 2 hour ride down dusty mile roads.

    Oh yes it can! At least for me. It depends on the person really. When I have to to a trainer
    "ride" I put videos on the TV (motorcycle trials, Tour de France, etc) and I can't stand more than
    an hour even then.

    Rollers are difficult to ride. You'll need road tires.

    No you don't.

    Quoted message said:

    You can't stand up on a trainer, too much stress on the frame. If you can stand up on rollers
    you're a god.

    I'm not a god and I sure as hell need to stand up to relieve the boredom.

    Quoted message said:

    You'll sweat all over your bike. Sweat is bad for bike parts. Put a towel over the headset.

    Yes, indeedy, I put a bike condom on mine when I ride, especially since my sweat is highly toxic
    along with being corrosive.

    Greg

    --
    "Destroy your safe and happy lives before it is too late, the battles we fought were long and hard,
    just not to be consumed by rock n' roll..." - The Mekons

  16. "Per Elmsäter" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    tcmedara said:
    Peb0 said:

    <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
    > Get on your bike and pedal.
    >
    > I MTB 2004
    >
    >
    >
    hmmm... informative and helpful. How can you get such a quality response in such a concise
    format?

    Sound's like the man didn't get his money's worth. Crazy, I say you refund whatever he paid you.
    Obviously you failed to realize you were obligated to give the man the answer he was looking
    for. I do think Peb is quite right in demanding that you give him something for nothing.

    Personally, I try not to get worked up about the answer when asking for free advice. ...

    Who's worked up. I just thought a nice thank-you was in order for all of the expert advice offered.
    I thought I asked a relatively straight forward question and I demanded nothing from anyone. What I
    don't understand is, why waste the effort to make a pathetic attempt at sarcasm. I have never posted
    here before and have no history with any of you. I simply wanted to know, from anyone willing to
    share their experience, what type of trainers are good and why they think so. I never suggested or
    implied that it was meant as a substitute for real riding. I ride everytime I can. I just want to
    supplement it. If you know nothing about trainers or don't feel the need to share, then fine...
    don't. I didn't realize that mountainbiking relevant topics were off limits.

    Perhaps you would prefer that this group be filled with mikey clones.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    and frankly who can argue with "Get on your bike and pedal"? That's about all you really need
    to know.

    ??? So you mean to say that no method of training is superior to another?
    1) Sprints one day, one day rest, endurance the next day... repeat
    V.S.
    2)Eat 10 big macs, put your bike on the rack, fart twice and then decide it's too icky outside

    Will both give you the same results???

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    Tom

    Do you think we should advice him to buy a helmet? No lets not, I mean how much advice can we give
    away for free.

    That's quite alright. I can just imagine where you keep your helmet.

    Quoted message said:


    --
    Perre

    You have to be smarter than a robot to reply.

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    Quoted message said:


    "G.T." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Peb0" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    Getting out and riding is easier said than done. First off,


    the -30

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    degree weather just broke (today is a balmy -3), so riding outside is


    rather

    Quoted message said:

    hostile. I can do it sometimes but other times it's just too harsh. I realize that spring is
    just around the corner and that's a good thing,


    but

    Quoted message said:

    I

    Quoted message said:

    can see getting a good trainer as a longer term solution as well.
    My other reason for wanting a trainer is that I live in the


    Canadian

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    praries. I can imagine that 2 hours on a trainer can not be more


    monotonous

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    than a 2 hour ride down dusty mile roads.

    Believe me, it is, it REALLY is.

    To add to that, I've done some 2 hour rides on boring, flat desert roads that were infinitely more
    interesting than a roller session.

    Greg

    Thanks for the replies. I'm not trying to debate whether a trainer would be more fun that riding. My
    monotonous comment aside, I know that I will still prefer real riding over a trainer. Reality is
    that having a trainer will give me more opportunity to ... train. Right now, I can't get out as
    often as I would like and a trainer would allow me to workout without leaving the house or to spin
    at night, etc... many opportunities I don't currently have.

    Peb0

  18. Peb0 said:

    2) There's a 120 km endurance race coming up in 6 months. My first question here is about
    food. How should I eat? (The days before the race and during race day?) Second question...
    What's an ideal way to train for this? (As a little background, this is a non-technical
    race. It's almost entirely back roads with only minor elevation changes. Most important to
    note, much of the course is sandy.) I intend to lose the knobbies and put on the slickest
    mtb tires I can find and pump them as hard as they'll take.

    Get used to long rides, work up to as long as you think it will take to do the race. Long rides may
    teach you things about saddle position, hand position, etc. that you didn't know. You want to find
    out about that a month before the race, not 3 hours into it. Mix in shorter harder rides, that will
    help with riding on those days where you just don't have as much time (and it has a different
    training effect - you can't train well by only doing long slow rides.)

    Figure out something you can eat during these rides that doesn't make your stomach all loopy. I can
    eat most things, but others are more sensitive. Clif bars and gels are usually a safe bet. Eat
    regularly during the ride - too much at once slows you down. How sandy is the course? If it's
    hardpack with a thin layer of sand, your idea is fine, if it's soft-surfaced, bigger tires with
    lower pressure may help.

  19. Peb0 said:

    "Per Elmsäter" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

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    tcmedara said:

    Peb0 <[email hidden]> wrote:
    > <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
    >> Get on your bike and pedal.
    >>
    >> I MTB 2004
    >>
    >>
    >>
    > hmmm... informative and helpful. How can you get such a quality response in such a concise
    > format?

    Sound's like the man didn't get his money's worth. Crazy, I say you refund whatever he paid you.
    Obviously you failed to realize you were obligated to give the man the answer he was looking
    for. I do think Peb is quite right in demanding that you give him something for nothing.

    Personally, I try not to get worked up about the answer when asking for free advice. ...

    Who's worked up. I just thought a nice thank-you was in order for all of the expert advice
    offered. I thought I asked a relatively straight forward question and I demanded nothing from
    anyone. What I don't understand is, why waste the effort to make a pathetic attempt at sarcasm. I
    have never posted here before and have no history with any of you. I simply wanted to know, from
    anyone willing to share their experience, what type of trainers are good and why they think so. I
    never suggested or implied that it was meant as a substitute for real riding. I ride everytime I
    can. I just want to supplement it. If you know nothing about trainers or don't feel the need to
    share, then fine... don't. I didn't realize that mountainbiking relevant topics were off limits.

    Perhaps you would prefer that this group be filled with mikey clones.

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    and frankly who can argue with "Get on your bike and pedal"? That's about all you really need
    to know.

    ??? So you mean to say that no method of training is superior to another?
    1) Sprints one day, one day rest, endurance the next day... repeat
    V.S.
    2)Eat 10 big macs, put your bike on the rack, fart twice and then decide it's too icky outside

    Will both give you the same results???

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    Tom

    Do you think we should advice him to buy a helmet? No lets not, I mean how much advice can we
    give away for free.

    That's quite alright. I can just imagine where you keep your helmet.

    A little bit of humor will get you a long way. Sarcasm won't get you much. Can I spell it out much
    clearer than that?

    --
    Perre

    You have to be smarter than a robot to reply.

  20. "Benjamin Weiner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:40272cb8$1@darkstar...

    Quoted message said:
    Peb0 said:

    2) There's a 120 km endurance race coming up in 6 months. My first
    question here is about food. How should I eat? (The days before the race


    and

    Quoted message said:
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    during race day?) Second question... What's an ideal way to train for


    this?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    (As a little background, this is a non-technical race. It's almost


    entirely

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    back roads with only minor elevation changes. Most important to note,


    much

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    of the course is sandy.) I intend to lose the knobbies and put on the slickest mtb tires I can
    find and pump them as hard as they'll take.

    Get used to long rides, work up to as long as you think it will take to do the race. Long rides
    may teach you things about saddle position, hand position, etc. that you didn't know. You want to
    find out about that a month before the race, not 3 hours into it.

    I've learned that going for about 30-40 kms and trying to hold 25km/hr the whole way makes my pelvic
    area all tingly. I'm torn between getting a new saddle or just enjoying it 🙂 I also noted that if I
    do not deliberately adjust my grip and occasionally wiggle my fingers, then my hands go tingly. Same
    goes for my toes but I just got some new clipless shoes (this is going to be a treat) so hopefully
    soon I can put a longer run in and see how that works for me.

    Quoted message said:

    Mix in shorter harder rides, that will help with riding on those days where you just don't have
    as much time (and it has a different training effect - you can't train well by only doing long
    slow rides.)

    I've got a bazillion miles of endurance training in everydirection away from my house but we've also
    got a couple of real good, hard, grind hills. One is about a 1km "V" (.5km down then .5km up) For
    most of last summer I couldn't even make it up either side of it. My riding partner wants to go 1
    day a week to this thing and just go back and forth till we puke.

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    Figure out something you can eat during these rides that doesn't make your stomach all loopy. I
    can eat most things, but others are more sensitive. Clif bars and gels are usually a safe bet.

    I can stomache just about anything. Just looking for pointers to start me off. I'll adjust and
    experiment long before the race.

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    Eat regularly during the ride - too much at once slows you down. How sandy is the course? If it's
    hardpack with a thin layer of sand, your idea is fine, if it's soft-surfaced, bigger tires with
    lower pressure may help.

    I was thinking the same. I'll ask around to get a feel just how sandy it is. Like you said, if it's
    softer, deeper sand, I would be inclined to think like offroading 4x4 tires and drop the pressure a
    little, so that it stays on top rather than digs in.

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