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  1. French sports minister Jean-Francois Lamour wants Floyd Landis and other drug cheats to help the authorities expose those who supply illegal substances to sportsmen...http://www.rte.ie/sport/2006/0806/landisf.html

    We are at war against the Lab, against this mafia making money with drug.
    As correctly said the french minister " 'The governments from all countries must clarify the grey area around the penal code for illegal performance-enhancing drugs in sport. "

  2. Montesquiou said:

    French sports minister Jean-Francois Lamour wants Floyd Landis and other
    drug cheats to help the authorities expose those who supply illegal
    substances to sportsmen………http://www.rte.ie/sport/2006/0806/landisf.html

    Has he personally been active in policing whatever sports he has
    jurisdiction over, or is he just blah-blah-blah...?

    Steve

    Quoted message said:


    We are at war against the Lab, against this mafia making money with drug.
    As correctly said the french minister " 'The governments from all
    countries must clarify the grey area around the penal code for illegal
    performance-enhancing drugs in sport. "

  3. "Steven Bornfeld" <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de
    news: [email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Montesquiou said:

    French sports minister Jean-Francois Lamour wants Floyd Landis and other
    drug cheats to help the authorities expose those who supply illegal
    substances to sportsmen………http://www.rte.ie/sport/2006/0806/landisf.html

    Has he personally been active in policing whatever sports he has
    jurisdiction over, or is he just blah-blah-blah...?

    Steve


    I hope you also don’t trust in any politician.
    What a politician use to do ?
    To follow the opinion of his fellow citizens.

    They are telling to him : We don’t want cheaters any more.
    Armstrong, Virenque Landis etc ….

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    We are at war against the Lab, against this mafia making money with drug.
    As correctly said the french minister " 'The governments from all
    countries must clarify the grey area around the penal code for illegal
    performance-enhancing drugs in sport. "


  4. Montesquiou said:

    I hope you also donÂ’t trust in any politician.
    What a politician use to do ?
    To follow the opinion of his fellow citizens.

    They are telling to him : We donÂ’t want cheaters any more.
    Armstrong, Virenque Landis etc Â….

    Some limousines look like bandwagons, some bandwagons look like
    limousines.

  5. Quoted message said:

    They are telling to him : We don't want cheaters any more.
    Armstrong, Virenque Landis etc ..

    Armstrong was the most tested athlete on the planet, and always tested
    clean, so please do NOT include him in your list of cheaters.

  6. "George Ball" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    They are telling to him : We don't want cheaters any more.
    Armstrong, Virenque Landis etc ..

    Armstrong was the most tested athlete on the planet, and always tested
    clean, so please do NOT include him in your list of cheaters.

    George, you're missing their point - they are willing to believe that people
    are positive even if they've never tested positive. They're positive even
    though they've never even seen dope. They're positive because the results of
    the racing demonstrates that their choice of winner never occurred.

    Hell, you ought to know that by now.

  7. "George Ball" <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de news:
    [email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    They are telling to him : We don't want cheaters any more.
    Armstrong, Virenque Landis etc ..

    Armstrong was the most tested athlete on the planet, and always tested
    clean, so please do NOT include him in your list of cheaters.

    He did test positive in 1999 (corticoïdes), and then came up with a
    postdated medical exemption, while he had said before the test that he did
    not have any exemptions.
    You can say that he had a poor memory, that he forgott to say it before the
    test, that he said it in English to an ingnorant French, whatever. But pls,
    this tale of "the most tested athlete on the planet, and always tested
    clean" is boring and inacurate.

  8. Montesquiou said:


    "George Ball" <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de news:
    [email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    They are telling to him : We don't want cheaters any more.
    Armstrong, Virenque Landis etc ..

    Armstrong was the most tested athlete on the planet, and always tested
    clean, so please do NOT include him in your list of cheaters.

    He did test positive in 1999 (corticoïdes), and then came up with a
    postdated medical exemption, while he had said before the test that he did
    not have any exemptions.
    You can say that he had a poor memory, that he forgott to say it before the
    test, that he said it in English to an ingnorant French, whatever. But pls,
    this tale of "the most tested athlete on the planet, and always tested
    clean" is boring and inacurate.

    Butt rub? You claim he's doped over asscream?

    Get over it.

    Ron

  9. "RonSonic" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Montesquiou said:


    "George Ball" <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de news:
    [email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    > They are telling to him : We don't want cheaters any more.
    > Armstrong, Virenque Landis etc ..

    Armstrong was the most tested athlete on the planet, and always tested
    clean, so please do NOT include him in your list of cheaters.

    He did test positive in 1999 (corticoïdes), and then came up with a
    postdated medical exemption, while he had said before the test that he did
    not have any exemptions.
    You can say that he had a poor memory, that he forgott to say it before
    the
    test, that he said it in English to an ingnorant French, whatever. But
    pls,
    this tale of "the most tested athlete on the planet, and always tested
    clean" is boring and inacurate.

    Butt rub? You claim he's doped over asscream?

    There's the French claim again that they're all doping with dope no one can
    see or test for. All except the French riders of course. They're as pure as
    the drive snow.

  10. RonSonic said:
    Montesquiou said:


    "George Ball" <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de news:
    [email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    > They are telling to him : We don't want cheaters any more.
    > Armstrong, Virenque Landis etc ..

    Armstrong was the most tested athlete on the planet, and always tested
    clean, so please do NOT include him in your list of cheaters.

    He did test positive in 1999 (corticoïdes), and then came up with a
    postdated medical exemption, while he had said before the test that he did
    not have any exemptions.
    You can say that he had a poor memory, that he forgott to say it before the
    test, that he said it in English to an ingnorant French, whatever. But pls,
    this tale of "the most tested athlete on the planet, and always tested
    clean" is boring and inacurate.

    Butt rub? You claim he's doped over asscream?

    Get over it.

    Ron

    Must be the Boudreaux's Butt Paste (www.buttpaste.com) . That stuff
    works wonders, but I didn't know it would lead to a positive dope test.

  11. "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> a écrit dans le message de news:
    [email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "RonSonic" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Montesquiou said:


    "George Ball" <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de news:
    [email hidden]...
    >> They are telling to him : We don't want cheaters any more.
    >> Armstrong, Virenque Landis etc ..
    >
    > Armstrong was the most tested athlete on the planet, and always tested
    > clean, so please do NOT include him in your list of cheaters.
    >

    He did test positive in 1999 (corticoïdes), and then came up with a
    postdated medical exemption, while he had said before the test that he
    did
    not have any exemptions.
    You can say that he had a poor memory, that he forgott to say it before
    the
    test, that he said it in English to an ingnorant French, whatever. But
    pls,
    this tale of "the most tested athlete on the planet, and always tested
    clean" is boring and inacurate.

    Butt rub? You claim he's doped over asscream?

    There's the French claim again that they're all doping with dope no one
    can see or test for.

    When did they said it ?
    Source ?
    or it is just because you are angry with them ?

    Yes Armstrong tested positive in 1999. It is a fact, you like it or not.

    All except the French riders of course. They're as pure as

    Quoted message said:

    the drive snow.

  12. Actaully he did not test positive. The level of triamcinolone found in
    his blood was 0.2. The lower limit for a positive reading was 6.0, 30x
    more than his test. It wasn't even close to
    being positive.

    Other riders had levels below 6.0 as well: Tom Steels had a level of
    1.8 on July 5. Michele Coppolillo, July 6, 1.6. Mariano Piccoli, July
    7, 1.3. Daniele Nardello, July 8, 1.7. These are levels that were 6-9x
    more than Armstrong's, yet they did not face the same public
    accusations.

    See: http://www.cyclingnews.com/results/1999/jul99/jul22.shtml

    The race organizers accepted his explaination that he neglected to
    declare his use of a topical saddle sore cream. After careful
    examination, they ruled that the use of that cream did not violate
    doping rules. Did you see some evidence they didn't?

    Montesquiou said:

    "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> a écrit dans le message de news:
    [email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "RonSonic" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Tue, 8 Aug 2006 13:16:03 +0200, <Montesquiou> wrote:

    >
    >"George Ball" <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de news:
    >[email hidden]...
    >>> They are telling to him : We don't want cheaters any more.
    >>> Armstrong, Virenque Landis etc ..
    >>
    >> Armstrong was the most tested athlete on the planet, and always tested
    >> clean, so please do NOT include him in your list of cheaters.
    >>
    >
    >He did test positive in 1999 (corticoïdes), and then came up with a
    >postdated medical exemption, while he had said before the test that he
    >did
    >not have any exemptions.
    >You can say that he had a poor memory, that he forgott to say it before
    >the
    >test, that he said it in English to an ingnorant French, whatever. But
    >pls,
    >this tale of "the most tested athlete on the planet, and always tested
    >clean" is boring and inacurate.

    Butt rub? You claim he's doped over asscream?

    There's the French claim again that they're all doping with dope no one
    can see or test for.

    When did they said it ?
    Source ?
    or it is just because you are angry with them ?

    Yes Armstrong tested positive in 1999. It is a fact, you like it or not.

    All except the French riders of course. They're as pure as

    Quoted message said:

    the drive snow.

  13. Montesquiou said:

    French sports minister Jean-Francois Lamour wants Floyd Landis and other drug cheats to help the authorities expose those who supply illegal substances to sportsmen...http://www.rte.ie/sport/2006/0806/landisf.html

    We are at war against the Lab, against this mafia making money with drug.
    As correctly said the french minister " 'The governments from all countries must clarify the grey area around the penal code for illegal performance-enhancing drugs in sport. "

    This is just another example of French government at its worst. It
    demands a defenseless individual surrender his opportunity to prove his
    innocence.

    Should Landis prove his innocence, it would be supreme embrassment to
    the brazzen French official who attacks him. What kind of sick
    culture supports such governmental abuse of the helpless?

  14. "Tere" <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de news:
    [email hidden]...
    *****
    Sorry if I "top post", but it seems to be allowed.....

    If you you read carefully the article, you will note that it is "exogenous"
    corticoid we are talking about.(triamcinolone acétonide, a synthetic
    corticoid ). As I know triamcinolone acétonide were not allowed.
    It is not ?
    If not allowed I call it positive test. Indeed it is the reason why
    Armstrong asked his doctor to postdat his medical exemption.

    "....if the urine tests detect this product, it is undoubtedly, an
    indication that the patient has taken it. There cannot be any confusion
    between the body naturally producing the substance and taken it
    exogenously."
    The laboratory of Châtenay-Malabry, after a year's work, perfected a test 10
    days before the start of this Tour. Put to the the UCI, the method was
    accepted by them. The President, Hein Verbruggen, informed teams on the 2nd
    of July, the day befre the start of the Tour at Puy-du-Fou.
    Once again the Lab ... Wonder why Armstrong was not a fan of this french
    Lab.

    OK. Another French plot ... [censored] ! The Lab also gave the name of Christophe
    Rinero... a French rider

    ****************

    Actaully he did not test positive. The level of triamcinolone found in
    his blood was 0.2. The lower limit for a positive reading was 6.0, 30x
    more than his test. It wasn't even close to
    being positive.

    Other riders had levels below 6.0 as well: Tom Steels had a level of
    1.8 on July 5. Michele Coppolillo, July 6, 1.6. Mariano Piccoli, July
    7, 1.3. Daniele Nardello, July 8, 1.7. These are levels that were 6-9x
    more than Armstrong's, yet they did not face the same public
    accusations.

    See: http://www.cyclingnews.com/results/1999/jul99/jul22.shtml

    The race organizers accepted his explaination that he neglected to
    declare his use of a topical saddle sore cream. After careful
    examination, they ruled that the use of that cream did not violate
    doping rules. Did you see some evidence they didn't?

    Montesquiou said:

    "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> a écrit dans le message de news:
    [email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "RonSonic" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Tue, 8 Aug 2006 13:16:03 +0200, <Montesquiou> wrote:

    >
    >"George Ball" <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de news:
    >[email hidden]...
    >>> They are telling to him : We don't want cheaters any more.
    >>> Armstrong, Virenque Landis etc ..
    >>
    >> Armstrong was the most tested athlete on the planet, and always
    >> tested
    >> clean, so please do NOT include him in your list of cheaters.
    >>
    >
    >He did test positive in 1999 (corticoïdes), and then came up with a
    >postdated medical exemption, while he had said before the test that he
    >did
    >not have any exemptions.
    >You can say that he had a poor memory, that he forgott to say it before
    >the
    >test, that he said it in English to an ingnorant French, whatever. But
    >pls,
    >this tale of "the most tested athlete on the planet, and always tested
    >clean" is boring and inacurate.

    Butt rub? You claim he's doped over asscream?

    There's the French claim again that they're all doping with dope no one
    can see or test for.

    When did they said it ?
    Source ?
    or it is just because you are angry with them ?

    Yes Armstrong tested positive in 1999. It is a fact, you like it or not.

    All except the French riders of course. They're as pure as

    Quoted message said:

    the drive snow.

  15. I recall that soon after taking office, he was in the car following
    Richard
    Virenque's victory on the Ventoux, and he was applauding him as he
    crossed the finish line. Of course, Virenque admitted his guilt (after
    2 years
    of denying it, in which he won races due to presumption of innocence),
    and Virenque is French.

    Lamour is a former Olympic gold medallist, and knows all about
    what goes on in sport. He's also completely jingoistic when it comes to
    French
    sports, as is typical of all French Olympic athletes, for example,
    their reaction to losing the 2012 Olympics. Apart from Paris mayor
    Delanoe, the organising committee's reaction was to imply that London
    cheated, since the Paris organisation did their best (they could not
    imagine
    that they could be beaten, even if they did their best).
    Even better were the comments after the London bombings, e.g.,
    beloved "friendly giant" David Douillet: "Could you imagine if we had
    won the
    games, could you imagine Paris being bombed?"
    Just to give you an idea of their amazing chauvinism.

    -ilan

    Montesquiou said:

    French sports minister Jean-Francois Lamour wants Floyd Landis and other drug cheats to help the authorities expose those who supply illegal substances to sportsmen...http://www.rte.ie/sport/2006/0806/landisf.html

    We are at war against the Lab, against this mafia making money with drug.
    As correctly said the french minister " 'The governments from all countries must clarify the grey area around the penal code for illegal performance-enhancing drugs in sport. "


    0_01F2_01C6B9C0.60523EE0--

  16. "ilan" <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de news:
    [email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I recall that soon after taking office, he was in the car following
    Richard
    Virenque's victory on the Ventoux, and he was applauding him as he
    crossed the finish line. Of course, Virenque admitted his guilt (after
    2 years
    of denying it, in which he won races due to presumption of innocence),
    and Virenque is French.

    Lamour is a former Olympic gold medallist, and knows all about
    what goes on in sport. He's also completely jingoistic when it comes to
    French
    sports, as is typical of all French Olympic athletes, for example,
    their reaction to losing the 2012 Olympics. Apart from Paris mayor
    Delanoe, the organising committee's reaction was to imply that London
    cheated, since the Paris organisation did their best (they could not
    imagine
    that they could be beaten, even if they did their best).
    Even better were the comments after the London bombings, e.g.,
    beloved "friendly giant" David Douillet: "Could you imagine if we had
    won the
    games, could you imagine Paris being bombed?"
    Just to give you an idea of their amazing chauvinism.

    You know, cher Ilan, I regret you missed the point.
    I suppose you even don't know what you are talking about.

    when you read it...
    http://mediamatters.org/items/200507080002

    You can say that what Douillet said was nothing.
    Since you live in Montréal, I suppose you understand the French linguage.

    Ilian,
    J'ose espérer que votre message n'a été qu'un dérapage. Que vous vous êtes
    laissé prendre à votre jeu.
    Défendez votre position, attaquez moi dans mes idées si vous le voulez, mais
    de grace n'insultez pas un peuple et un pays parceque celà vous est agréable
    ou assouvit un haine enfouie en vous.

    Les Français ne sont pas plus "amazing chauvinist" que vos compatriotes. Un
    Ministre français applaudit un courreur Français ? La belle affaire !
    Aucun autre Ministre au monde ne l'aurait fait, n'est-ce pas ?
    Gardez pour vous ce genre de remarque et de généralisation qui ne vous
    ennoblissent pas.
    Traitez moi de chauvin, si vous le voulez, je sais me défendre, mais n'ayez
    plus la lâcheté d'attaquer dans le dos ceux qui ne sont pas ici pour se
    défendre.
    Affaire terminée.
    ..

    Quoted message said:

    -ilan

    Montesquiou said:

    French sports minister Jean-Francois Lamour wants Floyd Landis and other
    drug cheats to help the authorities expose those who supply illegal
    substances to sportsmen...http://www.rte.ie/sport/2006/0806/landisf.html

    We are at war against the Lab, against this mafia making money with drug.
    As correctly said the french minister " 'The governments from all
    countries must clarify the grey area around the penal code for illegal
    performance-enhancing drugs in sport. "


    0_01F2_01C6B9C0.60523EE0--

  17. Montesquiou said:

    "Tere" <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de news:
    [email hidden]...

    Montesquiou said:

    "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> a écrit dans le message de news:
    [email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "RonSonic" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...
    > On Tue, 8 Aug 2006 13:16:03 +0200, <Montesquiou> wrote:
    >>"George Ball" <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de news:
    >>[email hidden]...
    >>>> They are telling to him : We don't want cheaters any more.
    >>>> Armstrong, Virenque Landis etc ..
    >>>
    >>> Armstrong was the most tested athlete on the planet, and always
    >>> tested
    >>> clean, so please do NOT include him in your list of cheaters.
    >>>
    >>
    >>He did test positive in 1999 (corticoïdes), and then came up with a
    >>postdated medical exemption, while he had said before the test that he
    >>did
    >>not have any exemptions.
    >>You can say that he had a poor memory, that he forgott to say it before
    >>the
    >>test, that he said it in English to an ingnorant French, whatever. But
    >>pls,
    >>this tale of "the most tested athlete on the planet, and always tested
    >>clean" is boring and inacurate.
    >
    > Butt rub? You claim he's doped over asscream?

    There's the French claim again that they're all doping with dope no one
    can see or test for.

    When did they said it ?
    Source ?
    or it is just because you are angry with them ?

    Yes Armstrong tested positive in 1999. It is a fact, you like it or not.

    All except the French riders of course. They're as pure as

    Quoted message said:

    the drive snow.


    Actaully he did not test positive. The level of triamcinolone found in
    his blood was 0.2. The lower limit for a positive reading was 6.0, 30x
    more than his test. It wasn't even close to
    being positive.

    Other riders had levels below 6.0 as well: Tom Steels had a level of
    1.8 on July 5. Michele Coppolillo, July 6, 1.6. Mariano Piccoli, July
    7, 1.3. Daniele Nardello, July 8, 1.7. These are levels that were 6-9x
    more than Armstrong's, yet they did not face the same public
    accusations.

    See: http://www.cyclingnews.com/results/1999/jul99/jul22.shtml

    The race organizers accepted his explaination that he neglected to
    declare his use of a topical saddle sore cream. After careful
    examination, they ruled that the use of that cream did not violate
    doping rules. Did you see some evidence they didn't?

    Sorry if I "top post", but it seems to be allowed.....

    Opps! No, the net-cops just showed up... either I fix it or they run
    me in 🙂

    Quoted message said:

    If you you read carefully the article, you will note that it is "exogenous"
    corticoid we are talking about.(triamcinolone acétonide, a synthetic
    corticoid ). As I know triamcinolone acétonide were not allowed.
    It is not ?

    If it had been properly declared, it WOULD have been allowed.

    Quoted message said:

    If not allowed I call it positive test.

    That is your opinion, not a fact. The fact is the UCI/Société have a
    different standard for what is positive.

    Quoted message said:

    Indeed it is the reason why
    Armstrong asked his doctor to postdat his medical exemption.

    He did not meet the standard for positive test, not even close. They
    accepted his explaination and issued a public statment clearing 100% of
    any drug use. That, by defination, is a negative result.

    Quoted message said:

    "....if the urine tests detect this product, it is undoubtedly, an
    indication that the patient has taken it. There cannot be any confusion
    between the body naturally producing the substance and taken it
    exogenously."

    He didn't deny taking it. He admitted using a saddle sore cream
    containing the drug. He failed to declare it. He was certainly cited
    for that and maybe penalized, but that is not a doping violation.

    Just to be clear, do you think Armstrong used peformance enhancing
    steroids in 1999 (as opposed to a saddle sore cream)?

    Quoted message said:

    The laboratory of Châtenay-Malabry, after a year's work, perfected a test 10
    days before the start of this Tour. Put to the the UCI, the method was
    accepted by them. The President, Hein Verbruggen, informed teams on the 2nd
    of July, the day befre the start of the Tour at Puy-du-Fou.
    Once again the Lab ... Wonder why Armstrong was not a fan of this french
    Lab.

    OK. Another French plot ... [censored] ! The Lab also gave the name of Christophe
    Rinero... a French rider

    Ok, I'm not exactly sure what you are trying to say here 🙂

  18. Tere said:

    Actaully he did not test positive. The level of triamcinolone found in
    his blood was 0.2. The lower limit for a positive reading was 6.0, 30x
    more than his test. It wasn't even close to
    being positive.

    Correct. However, when you have nothing else, you have to grab at
    straws.

  19. "Tere" <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de news:
    [email hidden]...

    Montesquiou said:

    "Tere" <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de news:
    [email hidden]...

    Montesquiou said:

    "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> a écrit dans le message de news:
    [email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "RonSonic" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...
    > On Tue, 8 Aug 2006 13:16:03 +0200, <Montesquiou> wrote:
    >>"George Ball" <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de news:
    >>[email hidden]...
    >>>> They are telling to him : We don't want cheaters any more.
    >>>> Armstrong, Virenque Landis etc ..
    >>>
    >>> Armstrong was the most tested athlete on the planet, and always
    >>> tested
    >>> clean, so please do NOT include him in your list of cheaters.
    >>>
    >>
    >>He did test positive in 1999 (corticoïdes), and then came up with a
    >>postdated medical exemption, while he had said before the test that
    >>he
    >>did
    >>not have any exemptions.
    >>You can say that he had a poor memory, that he forgott to say it
    >>before
    >>the
    >>test, that he said it in English to an ingnorant French, whatever.
    >>But
    >>pls,
    >>this tale of "the most tested athlete on the planet, and always
    >>tested
    >>clean" is boring and inacurate.
    >
    > Butt rub? You claim he's doped over asscream?

    There's the French claim again that they're all doping with dope no
    one
    can see or test for.

    When did they said it ?
    Source ?
    or it is just because you are angry with them ?

    Yes Armstrong tested positive in 1999. It is a fact, you like it or not.

    All except the French riders of course. They're as pure as

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    the drive snow.


    Actaully he did not test positive. The level of triamcinolone found in
    his blood was 0.2. The lower limit for a positive reading was 6.0, 30x
    more than his test. It wasn't even close to
    being positive.

    Other riders had levels below 6.0 as well: Tom Steels had a level of
    1.8 on July 5. Michele Coppolillo, July 6, 1.6. Mariano Piccoli, July
    7, 1.3. Daniele Nardello, July 8, 1.7. These are levels that were 6-9x
    more than Armstrong's, yet they did not face the same public
    accusations.

    See: http://www.cyclingnews.com/results/1999/jul99/jul22.shtml

    The race organizers accepted his explaination that he neglected to
    declare his use of a topical saddle sore cream. After careful
    examination, they ruled that the use of that cream did not violate
    doping rules. Did you see some evidence they didn't?

    Sorry if I "top post", but it seems to be allowed.....

    Opps! No, the net-cops just showed up... either I fix it or they run
    me in 🙂

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    If you you read carefully the article, you will note that it is
    "exogenous"
    corticoid we are talking about.(triamcinolone acétonide, a synthetic
    corticoid ). As I know triamcinolone acétonide were not allowed.
    It is not ?

    If it had been properly declared, it WOULD have been allowed.

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    If not allowed I call it positive test.

    That is your opinion, not a fact. The fact is the UCI/Société have a
    different standard for what is positive.

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    Indeed it is the reason why
    Armstrong asked his doctor to postdat his medical exemption.

    He did not meet the standard for positive test, not even close. They
    accepted his explaination and issued a public statment clearing 100% of
    any drug use. That, by defination, is a negative result.

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    "....if the urine tests detect this product, it is undoubtedly, an
    indication that the patient has taken it. There cannot be any confusion
    between the body naturally producing the substance and taken it
    exogenously."

    He didn't deny taking it. He admitted using a saddle sore cream
    containing the drug. He failed to declare it. He was certainly cited
    for that and maybe penalized, but that is not a doping violation.

    Just to be clear, do you think Armstrong used peformance enhancing
    steroids in 1999 (as opposed to a saddle sore cream)?

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    The laboratory of Châtenay-Malabry, after a year's work, perfected a test
    10
    days before the start of this Tour. Put to the the UCI, the method was
    accepted by them. The President, Hein Verbruggen, informed teams on the
    2nd
    of July, the day befre the start of the Tour at Puy-du-Fou.
    Once again the Lab ... Wonder why Armstrong was not a fan of this french
    Lab.

    OK. Another French plot ... [censored] ! The Lab also gave the name of
    Christophe
    Rinero... a French rider

    Ok, I'm not exactly sure what you are trying to say here 🙂

    *****
    During the UCI of Verbruggen, Lance Armstrong could write under the heading
    "Drugs Taken" - Nothing.
    Later he said : " he had never taken any corticoids "
    Yes, Nothing ! in short no drug that the Lab could dectect,
    For the " triamcinolone acétonide, a synthetic corticoid " ?
    Well . next quesion..

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    There's the French claim again that they're all doping with dope no one
    can see or test for.

    When did they said it ? Source ? or it is just because you are angry with
    them ?

    Exactly what did you mean by "postdating"?

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    Yes Armstrong tested positive in 1999. It is a fact, you like it or not.

    No, an unreliable lab claims that he tested positive. Of course they
    accidently used up all of the sample and couldn't answer any scientific
    questions about the testing procedure put to them. But they were RIGHT!

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