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  1. What do you call a straight-edge that has one of its sides so perfectly
    notched that the teeth of a bicycle sprocket (the 'cogwheel' thing) will
    mesh perfectly into it? Naturally, the spacing of the notches on the
    straight-edge is going to depend on the spacing of the teeth, and this
    is going to vary quite a bit. I don't think that what I am looking for,
    is found at a bicycle shop, I'm probably going to have to go to a machine
    shop to get one, though I'd prefer getting one on the cheap rather than
    buying something brand new, or worse - shudder - cut one out of a metal
    yardstick using a Dremel.

    I'm trying to build a bicycle-powered 'forklift' if that helps anybody
    understand my objective here. The platform is supposed to rise up from
    the jacking action of a cogwheel cranking the straight-edge up from
    under.

    I only want the 'forklift' to go up 3 or 4 feet or so, and no higher.

  2. I wrote:
    |What do you call a straight-edge that has one of its sides so perfectly
    |notched that the teeth of a bicycle sprocket (the 'cogwheel' thing) will
    |mesh perfectly into it? Naturally, the spacing of the notches on the
    |straight-edge is going to depend on the spacing of the teeth, and this
    |is going to vary quite a bit. I don't think that what I am looking for,
    |is found at a bicycle shop, I'm probably going to have to go to a machine
    |shop to get one, though I'd prefer getting one on the cheap rather than
    |buying something brand new, or worse - shudder - cut one out of a metal
    |yardstick using a Dremel.

    Can anybody speculate what kind of a price should I expect to pay for a
    straight-edge that has one of its sides notched in the fashion described
    above?

    |I'm trying to build a bicycle-powered 'forklift' if that helps anybody
    |understand my objective here. The platform is supposed to rise up from
    |the jacking action of a cogwheel cranking the straight-edge up from
    |under.
    |
    |I only want the 'forklift' to go up 3 or 4 feet or so, and no higher.

    Whoooops, I meant to write 'platform' in the sentence above. 🙂

  3. "Matthew Montchalin" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:


    Can anybody speculate what kind of a price should I expect to pay for a
    straight-edge that has one of its sides notched in the fashion described
    above?

    |I'm trying to build a bicycle-powered 'forklift' if that helps anybody
    |understand my objective here. The platform is supposed to rise up from
    |the jacking action of a cogwheel cranking the straight-edge up from
    |under.
    |
    |I only want the 'forklift' to go up 3 or 4 feet or so, and no higher.

    Whoooops, I meant to write 'platform' in the sentence above. 🙂

    Go to www.emachineshop.com
    Get the free CAD program, design it, and submit it for pricing.

    Or....another design...use the chains(s) to actuate a block and tackle
    contraption, raising your platform.

    Pete

  4. Matthew Montchalin said:

    What do you call a straight-edge that has one of its sides so
    perfectly notched that the teeth of a bicycle sprocket (the
    'cogwheel' thing) will mesh perfectly into it? Naturally, the
    spacing of the notches on the straight-edge is going to depend on the
    spacing of the teeth, and this is going to vary quite a bit. I don't
    think that what I am looking for, is found at a bicycle shop, I'm
    probably going to have to go to a machine shop to get one, though I'd
    prefer getting one on the cheap rather than buying something brand
    new, or worse - shudder - cut one out of a metal yardstick using a
    Dremel.

    I'm trying to build a bicycle-powered 'forklift' if that helps anybody
    understand my objective here. The platform is supposed to rise up
    from the jacking action of a cogwheel cranking the straight-edge up
    from under.

    I only want the 'forklift' to go up 3 or 4 feet or so, and no higher.

    I would think the easier way to do this would be to spin a suspended
    cogwheel which winds up a chain or cable or rope and let that lift the
    platform from above. Bicycle cogs are designed to mesh with bicycle
    chains, not straight rows of solid notches. Using a straight row of
    notches and a circular cogwheel you would only be able to engage one or
    two teeth at a time, and given the narrow profile of the teeth this means
    tremendous stresses for all but the lightest of loads.

  5. "Matthew Montchalin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    What do you call a straight-edge that has one of its sides so perfectly
    notched that the teeth of a bicycle sprocket (the 'cogwheel' thing) will
    mesh perfectly into it? Naturally, the spacing of the notches on the
    straight-edge is going to depend on the spacing of the teeth, and this
    is going to vary quite a bit. I don't think that what I am looking for,
    is found at a bicycle shop, I'm probably going to have to go to a machine
    shop to get one, though I'd prefer getting one on the cheap rather than
    buying something brand new, or worse - shudder - cut one out of a metal
    yardstick using a Dremel.

    I'm trying to build a bicycle-powered 'forklift' if that helps anybody
    understand my objective here. The platform is supposed to rise up from
    the jacking action of a cogwheel cranking the straight-edge up from
    under.

    I only want the 'forklift' to go up 3 or 4 feet or so, and no higher.

    I think what you are trying to describe is a rack/pinion gear device.

  6. On Fri, 30 Jul 2004, di wrote:
    |> I don't think that what I am looking for, is found at a bicycle shop,
    |> I'm probably going to have to go to a machine shop to get one, though
    |> I'd prefer getting one on the cheap rather than buying something brand
    |> new, or worse - shudder - cut one out of a metal yardstick using a
    |> Dremel.
    |>
    |> I'm trying to build a bicycle-powered 'forklift' if that helps anybody
    |> understand my objective here. The platform is supposed to rise up from
    |> the jacking action of a cogwheel cranking the straight-edge up from
    |> under.
    |>
    |> I only want the 'forklift' to go up 3 or 4 feet or so, and no higher.
    |>
    |
    |I think what you are trying to describe is a rack/pinion gear device.

    Thanks for the lead!

  7. On Fri, 30 Jul 2004, Pete wrote:
    |"Matthew Montchalin" <[email hidden]> wrote
    |>
    |> Can anybody speculate what kind of a price should I expect to pay for a
    |> straight-edge that has one of its sides notched in the fashion described
    |> above?
    |>
    |> |I'm trying to build a bicycle-powered 'forklift' if that helps anybody
    |> |understand my objective here. The platform is supposed to rise up from
    |> |the jacking action of a cogwheel cranking the straight-edge up from
    |> |under.
    |> |
    |> |I only want the 'forklift' to go up 3 or 4 feet or so, and no higher.
    |>
    |> Whoooops, I meant to write 'platform' in the sentence above. 🙂
    |
    |Go to www.emachineshop.com

    Thanks for the lead!

    |Get the free CAD program, design it, and submit it for pricing.
    |
    |Or....another design...use the chains(s) to actuate a block and tackle
    |contraption, raising your platform.

    Thanks, I'll give it some thought.

  8. Matthew Montchalin said:

    What do you call a straight-edge that has one of its sides so perfectly
    notched that the teeth of a bicycle sprocket (the 'cogwheel' thing) will
    mesh perfectly into it?

    A rack. cf "rack and pinion".

    Quoted message said:

    Naturally, the spacing of the notches on the
    straight-edge is going to depend on the spacing of the teeth, and this
    is going to vary quite a bit. I don't think that what I am looking for,
    is found at a bicycle shop, I'm probably going to have to go to a machine
    shop to get one, though I'd prefer getting one on the cheap rather than
    buying something brand new, or worse - shudder - cut one out of a metal
    yardstick using a Dremel.

    Unless you can handle heavy side loads and considerable torque on the
    pinion, a rack and pinion is not a really great lifting mechanism for
    more than just trivial weight.

    Quoted message said:

    I'm trying to build a bicycle-powered 'forklift' if that helps anybody
    understand my objective here. The platform is supposed to rise up from
    the jacking action of a cogwheel cranking the straight-edge up from
    under.

    I only want the 'forklift' to go up 3 or 4 feet or so, and no higher.

    Why not build a mast a bit taller than the top of the range that you
    want to reach, hang a free-wheeling sprocket there, loop the chain
    over it, and use the chain to pull the load up? That's the way it's
    done on lots of forklifts. This has the distinct advantage of needing
    no custom-machined rack.

    One pair of notes:

    If you want the rack to travel and the pinion to stay fixed, bear in
    mind that the rack must have someplace to go, *and* somplace to start
    from. If it's intended to rise 3 feet, there has to be at least three
    feet of space below it for the rack to occupy before it starrts to
    rise.

    Machining may not be needed; just weld the ends of a piece of chain to
    a flat steel bar, and voila! A rack.
    --
    Typoes are a feature, not a bug.
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  9. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I'm trying to build a bicycle-powered 'forklift' if that helps anybody
    understand my objective here. The platform is supposed to rise up from
    the jacking action of a cogwheel cranking the straight-edge up from
    under.

    I only want the 'forklift' to go up 3 or 4 feet or so, and no higher.

    I think what you are trying to describe is a rack/pinion gear device.

    Just nail a chain to a board...dah

  10. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: a bicycle-powered forklift?
    From: Matthew Montchalin [email hidden]
    Date: 7/30/2004 3:39 PM US Eastern Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    On Fri, 30 Jul 2004, Pete wrote:
    |"Matthew Montchalin" <[email hidden]> wrote
    |>
    |> Can anybody speculate what kind of a price should I expect to pay for a
    |> straight-edge that has one of its sides notched in the fashion described
    |> above?
    |>
    |> |I'm trying to build a bicycle-powered 'forklift' if that helps anybody
    |> |understand my objective here. The platform is supposed to rise up from
    |> |the jacking action of a cogwheel cranking the straight-edge up from
    |> |under.
    |> |
    |> |I only want the 'forklift' to go up 3 or 4 feet or so, and no higher.
    |>
    |> Whoooops, I meant to write 'platform' in the sentence above. 🙂
    |
    |Go to www.emachineshop.com

    Thanks for the lead!

    |Get the free CAD program, design it, and submit it for pricing.
    |
    |Or....another design...use the chains(s) to actuate a block and tackle
    |contraption, raising your platform.

    Thanks, I'll give it some thought.

    I think you'd have more luck looking in sailboat parts...this is definitely OT

  11. Matthew Montchalin <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:


    I'm trying to build a bicycle-powered 'forklift' if that helps anybody
    understand my objective here. The platform is supposed to rise up from
    the jacking action of a cogwheel cranking the straight-edge up from
    under.

    I only want the 'forklift' to go up 3 or 4 feet or so, and no higher.

    If you are trying to lift anything at all substantial, I'd recommend
    adapting an automatic braking hand winch to pedal power. Such a
    device has a hand crank that pulls hard on a cable when cranked in one
    direction, and spools the cable out in a controlled fashion when
    cranked in the other direction. Here is an example:

    http://www.megatoolsource.com/h/Hand-Winches/Automatic-Braking-Hand-Winch-28674.htm

    If you replaced the crank handle with a sprocket, and placed the winch
    at the top of your "forklift", you could then drive it in either
    direction with a chain connected to a bike crank elsewhere on the
    contraption.

    Chalo Colina

  12. On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 09:43:57 -0700, Matthew Montchalin <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    What do you call a straight-edge that has one of its sides so perfectly
    notched that the teeth of a bicycle sprocket (the 'cogwheel' thing) will
    mesh perfectly into it? Naturally, the spacing of the notches on the
    straight-edge is going to depend on the spacing of the teeth, and this
    is going to vary quite a bit. I don't think that what I am looking for,
    is found at a bicycle shop, I'm probably going to have to go to a machine
    shop to get one, though I'd prefer getting one on the cheap rather than
    buying something brand new, or worse - shudder - cut one out of a metal
    yardstick using a Dremel.

    I'm trying to build a bicycle-powered 'forklift' if that helps anybody
    understand my objective here. The platform is supposed to rise up from
    the jacking action of a cogwheel cranking the straight-edge up from
    under.

    I only want the 'forklift' to go up 3 or 4 feet or so, and no higher.

    So you want to make a rack gear and use a cog to drive it. Bad idea. The teeth
    on a chainwheel are designed to mesh with a chain, not a gear. They will NOT
    reliably support any amount of weight like this - at least not enough weight to
    make all the monkey-motion desireable.

    You'll want a chain wrapped around it and use the chain to do your lifting.
    There are all sorts of industrial lifting gadgets, including some fork lifts
    that incorporate a chain. That's what you'll want to emulate.

    Ron

  13. On Sat, 31 Jul 2004, RonSonic wrote:
    |On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 09:43:57 -0700, Matthew Montchalin <[email hidden]>
    |wrote:
    |>I'm trying to build a bicycle-powered 'forklift' if that helps anybody
    |>understand my objective here. The platform is supposed to rise up from
    |>the jacking action of a cogwheel cranking the straight-edge up from
    |>under.
    |>
    |>I only want the 'forklift' to go up 3 or 4 feet or so, and no higher.
    |
    |So you want to make a rack gear and use a cog to drive it. Bad idea.

    You sure?

    |The teeth on a chainwheel are designed to mesh with a chain, not a gear.
    |They will NOT reliably support any amount of weight like this - at least
    |not enough weight to make all the monkey-motion desireable.

    The load to be lifted is about 15 to 25 pounds.

    |You'll want a chain wrapped around it and use the chain to do your lifting.
    |There are all sorts of industrial lifting gadgets, including some fork lifts
    |that incorporate a chain. That's what you'll want to emulate.

    Two bicycles are mounted in tandem, and the elevating platform rests
    between the two. Since the contraption is intended for traveling into
    a field and hoisting up booms with light fixtures at the ends of poles,
    a cogwheel & rack arrangement ought to work well enough. It may have
    been misleading to say it would be a forklift as opposed to an elevating
    platform, but all I really want is for the thing to raise up about 3 or
    4 feet above its base level.

  14. Matthew Montchalin said:

    On Sat, 31 Jul 2004, RonSonic wrote:
    |On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 09:43:57 -0700, Matthew Montchalin <[email hidden]>
    |wrote:
    |>I'm trying to build a bicycle-powered 'forklift' if that helps anybody
    |>understand my objective here. The platform is supposed to rise up from
    |>the jacking action of a cogwheel cranking the straight-edge up from
    |>under.
    |>
    |>I only want the 'forklift' to go up 3 or 4 feet or so, and no higher.
    |
    |So you want to make a rack gear and use a cog to drive it. Bad idea.

    You sure?

    |The teeth on a chainwheel are designed to mesh with a chain, not a gear.
    |They will NOT reliably support any amount of weight like this - at least
    |not enough weight to make all the monkey-motion desireable.

    The load to be lifted is about 15 to 25 pounds.

    For that little weight, you're swatting flies with sledgehammers.
    Lift it by hand.

    Quoted message said:

    |You'll want a chain wrapped around it and use the chain to do your lifting.
    |There are all sorts of industrial lifting gadgets, including some fork lifts
    |that incorporate a chain. That's what you'll want to emulate.

    Two bicycles are mounted in tandem, and the elevating platform rests
    between the two. Since the contraption is intended for traveling into
    a field and hoisting up booms with light fixtures at the ends of poles,
    a cogwheel & rack arrangement ought to work well enough. It may have
    been misleading to say it would be a forklift as opposed to an elevating
    platform, but all I really want is for the thing to raise up about 3 or
    4 feet above its base level.

    This sounds like an awful lot of work to misautomate a relatively
    simple and easily performed task.
    --
    Typoes are a feature, not a bug.
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  15. On Sat, 31 Jul 2004, Werehatrack wrote:
    |On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 20:11:44 -0700, Matthew Montchalin
    |<[email hidden]> wrote:
    |
    |>On Sat, 31 Jul 2004, RonSonic wrote:
    |>|On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 09:43:57 -0700, Matthew Montchalin <[email hidden]>
    |>|wrote:
    |>|>I'm trying to build a bicycle-powered 'forklift' if that helps anybody
    |>|>understand my objective here. The platform is supposed to rise up from
    |>|>the jacking action of a cogwheel cranking the straight-edge up from
    |>|>under.
    |>|>
    |>|>I only want the 'forklift' to go up 3 or 4 feet or so, and no higher.
    |>|
    |>|So you want to make a rack gear and use a cog to drive it. Bad idea.
    |>
    |>You sure?
    |>
    |>|The teeth on a chainwheel are designed to mesh with a chain, not a gear.
    |>|They will NOT reliably support any amount of weight like this - at least
    |>|not enough weight to make all the monkey-motion desireable.
    |>
    |>The load to be lifted is about 15 to 25 pounds.
    |
    |For that little weight, you're swatting flies with sledgehammers.

    I don't see it quite like that.

    |Lift it by hand.

    Or perhaps an electric motor? I sort of like the crank-cogwheel-cogwheel
    concept more.

    |>|You'll want a chain wrapped around it and use the chain to do your lifting.
    |>|There are all sorts of industrial lifting gadgets, including some fork lifts
    |>|that incorporate a chain. That's what you'll want to emulate.
    |>
    |>Two bicycles are mounted in tandem, and the elevating platform rests
    |>between the two. Since the contraption is intended for traveling into
    |>a field and hoisting up booms with light fixtures at the ends of poles,
    |>a cogwheel & rack arrangement ought to work well enough. It may have
    |>been misleading to say it would be a forklift as opposed to an elevating
    |>platform, but all I really want is for the thing to raise up about 3 or
    |>4 feet above its base level.
    |
    |This sounds like an awful lot of work to misautomate a relatively
    |simple and easily performed task.

    Simple tasks get pretty tiring after doing the same thing, over and
    over again. Since the lights have to be raised up to the same level,
    over and over again, everytime we go to a new location, a physical limit
    of some kind is highly desirable. Bicycles make setting things up pretty
    fast, even if they are bolted in tandem. Ride to the location, raise the
    booms (if they aren't already up, that is, which I sort of doubt), and
    there you are. The expensive part is the rack, but I like the suggestion
    of welding - maybe nailing - a bicycle chain onto the side of a board,
    at strategic locations, and there we be.

  16. "Matthew Montchalin" wrote: (clip) Bicycles make setting things up pretty
    fast, even if they are bolted in tandem.(clip)
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    I don't think you mean "tandem." Do you mean side-by-side? Tandem would
    mean one bike following the other.
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    (clip) The expensive part is the rack, but I like the suggestion of
    welding - maybe nailing - a bicycle chain onto the side of a board, at
    strategic locations, and there we be.
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    If you insist on raising the load in this way, why don't you use a rack and
    pinion? (Gear raising a rack instead of a sprocket raising a chain.)

  17. Sat, 31 Jul 2004 15:51:06 GMT,
    <[email hidden]>,

    Leo Lichtman said:

    I don't think you mean "tandem." Do you mean side-by-side? Tandem would
    mean one bike following the other.

    That's commonly referred to as a "sociable tandem" as opposed to an
    "inline tandem". They've been around since the beginning.

    A sociable tandem can be set up with three or four wheels so while
    they're not strictly bicycles, they are fun to ride.

    Here they're sharing the added load of a sound system and generators.

    http://www3.telus.net/dgphoto/projects/20004%202/images/4-1.jpg
    http://nai.dyndns.org/events/CM20040625/p13.htm
    --
    zk

  18. Leo Lichtman wrote:
    |If you insist on raising the load in this way, why don't you use a rack and
    |pinion? (Gear raising a rack instead of a sprocket raising a chain.)

    Rack and pinion is a very good idea, it may have been what I intended,
    but for the want of using the proper terminology. And along those lines,
    does anybody have a link with pictures of rack-and-pinion technology
    combined with bicycle (pedal operated or manually cranked) technology?

  19. In rec.bicycles.misc Matthew Montchalin said:

    I only want the 'forklift' to go up 3 or 4 feet or so, and no higher.

    As a cyclist AND a forklift operator, I have to wonder why.

  20. On Sat, 31 Jul 2004 20:36:20 +0000 (UTC), [email hidden]

    Quoted message said:
    In rec.bicycles.misc Matthew Montchalin said:

    I only want the 'forklift' to go up 3 or 4 feet or so, and no higher.

    As a cyclist AND a forklift operator, I have to wonder why.

    Heheheh...I forgot that I've been running one of these for the past
    week and a half: http://www.halcoinc.com/gradall/gradall.jpg

    So, I'll have to say exactly the same thing:
    As a cyclist AND a forklift operator, I have to wonder why.

    BTW, I do _NOT_ want to lift a pallet of roof shingles with leg
    power. Diesel is much easier.
    --
    Rick Onanian

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