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  1. OK, during the last few weeks of hard riding, I have to eat more carbs. I
    ate pasta (dinner at fiancee's house) on Wednesday night, then had fruit
    and brown/wild rice (mixture) Thursday, fruit and very thin crust (1/8
    inch or less) pizza (no cheese) Friday, and had the best rides on Thursday
    (my "easy" ride) and Saturday (my long ride) I've had in a long, long
    time. During Saturday's ride, I actually was cruising on some downhills,
    whereas for the last two weekends, I've been unable to put out any power
    on those same downhills. I plan on eating fruit and brown/wild rice
    mixture daily for the next several weeks. I've also changed what I'm
    eating for the long ride. Instead of taking a drink of protein and carbs,
    last weekend, I had a power-type bar (30g carbs). This weekend, I not
    only had a bar but I also took about 20 g of maltodextrin. I did that
    because the hardest part of my ride occurs in the first 20 miles of the
    ride, so I'd like to have the carbs then. I had one bar (270 cals and 30g
    carbs) for the ride. I had several drinks of whey protein/maltodextrin
    during the ride, one drink of just maltodextrin during the ride. My
    stomach was growling, and unlike Pat, I don't like that. So, before my
    last set of hills on the way home, I ate some protein/maltodextrin. I
    took about 130 ounces of water with me and drank it all (and wanted
    more). I've been putting some lite salt in my powders to try and prevent
    cramps. I've also been trying to take magnesium pills for a fews days
    before long rides. Luckily, it wasn't that hot during this ride, until
    the end of the ride.

    My next three rides are as follows: 90, 100, 100/125 (where I'll ride
    either 100 or 125 miles for my last long ride of the season). Here's the
    data from this weekend's ride:

    Length: 75.4 miles
    Time: 6:27:10
    Avg. HR: 149 (80% of Max. HR of 186)
    Highest HR: 170 (91% of Max. HR of 186) -- don't know why I didn't go
    higher; I rode basically the same hills as last weekend

    Total elevation gained: 5659 feet
    Avg. speed: 12.4 mph (calculated while moving - I stopped at least 4
    times)
    Max. speed: 47.3 mph
    Calories burnt: 5915 (according to HR monitor)

    According to the data, I spent zero percent of the time above 170 bpm,
    spent 25.8% of the time between 161-170 bpm, and spent 31.6% of the time
    between 151-160 bpm. I'm not sure why my HR was so low -- I had no time
    above 170? Yet last weekend, I spent 19.7% of the time at or above 171
    bpm? Last weekend, I basically rode in the rain, whereas this weekend, it
    was cool and did not rain at all. Nonetheless, the ride is the same for
    62 miles. I don't get it.

    Anyway, while I won't be transferring to my pre-low-carb diet of oats for
    breakfast, pasta for lunch, and brown rice and beans for dinner (with rice
    cakes for snack), I am going to add more fruit and brown rice for the next
    few weeks. Without adding more carbs in, I don't seem to be able to
    recuperate.

    --
    Bob M
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  2. "Bob M" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    OK, during the last few weeks of hard riding, I have to eat more carbs. I
    ate pasta (dinner at fiancee's house) on Wednesday night, then had fruit
    and brown/wild rice (mixture) Thursday, fruit and very thin crust (1/8
    inch or less) pizza (no cheese) Friday, and had the best rides on Thursday
    (my "easy" ride) and Saturday (my long ride) I've had in a long, long
    time. During Saturday's ride, I actually was cruising on some downhills,
    whereas for the last two weekends, I've been unable to put out any power
    on those same downhills. I plan on eating fruit and brown/wild rice
    mixture daily for the next several weeks. I've also changed what I'm
    eating for the long ride. Instead of taking a drink of protein and carbs,
    last weekend, I had a power-type bar (30g carbs). This weekend, I not
    only had a bar but I also took about 20 g of maltodextrin. I did that
    because the hardest part of my ride occurs in the first 20 miles of the
    ride, so I'd like to have the carbs then. I had one bar (270 cals and 30g
    carbs) for the ride. I had several drinks of whey protein/maltodextrin
    during the ride, one drink of just maltodextrin during the ride. My
    stomach was growling, and unlike Pat, I don't like that. So, before my
    last set of hills on the way home, I ate some protein/maltodextrin. I
    took about 130 ounces of water with me and drank it all (and wanted
    more). I've been putting some lite salt in my powders to try and prevent
    cramps. I've also been trying to take magnesium pills for a fews days
    before long rides. Luckily, it wasn't that hot during this ride, until
    the end of the ride.

    FWIW, I've been experimenting this season with a homemade "Ade" drink, in an
    attempt to lessen cramping issues. My formula includes additional sodium,
    potassium from "no salt" (straight potassium chloride), and magnesium from
    powdered magnesium citrate, along with some other stuff. So far this year,
    I've not cramped once, despite participating in some of the hardest rides
    I've ever done. Of course, it's hard to say whether that's due to the drink
    mixture, or better training. But, I think you're on the right track with
    the supplemental potassium and magnesium.

    Quoted message said:

    My next three rides are as follows: 90, 100, 100/125 (where I'll ride
    either 100 or 125 miles for my last long ride of the season). Here's the
    data from this weekend's ride:

    Length: 75.4 miles
    Time: 6:27:10
    Avg. HR: 149 (80% of Max. HR of 186)
    Highest HR: 170 (91% of Max. HR of 186) -- don't know why I didn't go
    higher; I rode basically the same hills as last weekend

    Total elevation gained: 5659 feet
    Avg. speed: 12.4 mph (calculated while moving - I stopped at least 4
    times)
    Max. speed: 47.3 mph
    Calories burnt: 5915 (according to HR monitor)

    According to the data, I spent zero percent of the time above 170 bpm,
    spent 25.8% of the time between 161-170 bpm, and spent 31.6% of the time
    between 151-160 bpm. I'm not sure why my HR was so low -- I had no time
    above 170? Yet last weekend, I spent 19.7% of the time at or above 171
    bpm? Last weekend, I basically rode in the rain, whereas this weekend, it
    was cool and did not rain at all. Nonetheless, the ride is the same for
    62 miles. I don't get it.

    It will vary from ride to ride depending on how your training has been
    going, how much sleep you've been getting, stress in your life, etc. In
    general, the more fit you get, the lower your heart rate will be at the same
    level of work (up to a point, anyway). Riding in the rain might have been
    harder on you, or perhaps you're just getting "trained up". You may also
    want to track your resting heart rate, to see how it correlates with how
    you're feeling on the bike.

    Quoted message said:


    Anyway, while I won't be transferring to my pre-low-carb diet of oats for
    breakfast, pasta for lunch, and brown rice and beans for dinner (with rice
    cakes for snack), I am going to add more fruit and brown rice for the next
    few weeks. Without adding more carbs in, I don't seem to be able to
    recuperate.

    You're probably doing this already, but some post-ride protein is also
    important for muscle recovery. Current recommendations are for carbs and
    protein in a 4:1 ratio by weight, post-ride (I try to do this after every
    hard ride, but don't bother after easier efforts).. The carbs/protein should
    be consumed immediately after the ride (or, within the first hour). During
    this hour, they say your "glycogen window" is open, and your body is most
    receptive to taking on carbs and protein and utilizing them immediately for
    muscle recovery. Just don't overdo it - a glass of OJ with protein powder
    or a tuna sandwich will suffice.

    --
    ~_-*
    ....G/ \G
    http://www.CycliStats.com
    CycliStats - Software for Cyclists

    Quoted message said:

    --
    Bob M
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  3. No, you didn't have to eat more carbs.

    Especially not at the slow speed you ride.

    --
    Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. -- MFW

    "Bob M" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    OK, during the last few weeks of hard riding, I have to eat more carbs. I
    ate pasta (dinner at fiancee's house) on Wednesday night, then had fruit
    and brown/wild rice (mixture) Thursday, fruit and very thin crust (1/8
    inch or less) pizza (no cheese) Friday, and had the best rides on Thursday
    (my "easy" ride) and Saturday (my long ride) I've had in a long, long
    time. During Saturday's ride, I actually was cruising on some downhills,
    whereas for the last two weekends, I've been unable to put out any power
    on those same downhills. I plan on eating fruit and brown/wild rice
    mixture daily for the next several weeks. I've also changed what I'm
    eating for the long ride. Instead of taking a drink of protein and carbs,
    last weekend, I had a power-type bar (30g carbs). This weekend, I not
    only had a bar but I also took about 20 g of maltodextrin. I did that
    because the hardest part of my ride occurs in the first 20 miles of the
    ride, so I'd like to have the carbs then. I had one bar (270 cals and 30g
    carbs) for the ride. I had several drinks of whey protein/maltodextrin
    during the ride, one drink of just maltodextrin during the ride. My
    stomach was growling, and unlike Pat, I don't like that. So, before my
    last set of hills on the way home, I ate some protein/maltodextrin. I
    took about 130 ounces of water with me and drank it all (and wanted
    more). I've been putting some lite salt in my powders to try and prevent
    cramps. I've also been trying to take magnesium pills for a fews days
    before long rides. Luckily, it wasn't that hot during this ride, until
    the end of the ride.

    My next three rides are as follows: 90, 100, 100/125 (where I'll ride
    either 100 or 125 miles for my last long ride of the season). Here's the
    data from this weekend's ride:

    Length: 75.4 miles
    Time: 6:27:10
    Avg. HR: 149 (80% of Max. HR of 186)
    Highest HR: 170 (91% of Max. HR of 186) -- don't know why I didn't go
    higher; I rode basically the same hills as last weekend

    Total elevation gained: 5659 feet
    Avg. speed: 12.4 mph (calculated while moving - I stopped at least 4
    times)
    Max. speed: 47.3 mph
    Calories burnt: 5915 (according to HR monitor)

    According to the data, I spent zero percent of the time above 170 bpm,
    spent 25.8% of the time between 161-170 bpm, and spent 31.6% of the time
    between 151-160 bpm. I'm not sure why my HR was so low -- I had no time
    above 170? Yet last weekend, I spent 19.7% of the time at or above 171
    bpm? Last weekend, I basically rode in the rain, whereas this weekend, it
    was cool and did not rain at all. Nonetheless, the ride is the same for
    62 miles. I don't get it.

    Anyway, while I won't be transferring to my pre-low-carb diet of oats for
    breakfast, pasta for lunch, and brown rice and beans for dinner (with rice
    cakes for snack), I am going to add more fruit and brown rice for the next
    few weeks. Without adding more carbs in, I don't seem to be able to
    recuperate.

    --
    Bob M
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  4. "JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    No, you didn't have to eat more carbs.

    True...but, only if he doesn't want to maximize his performance and hasten
    his recovery.

    Quoted message said:


    Especially not at the slow speed you ride.

    Bob's ride averaged 75 feet of climbing per mile, which qualifies as
    "Mountainous". Given that, and the fact he's not a flyweight, 12.4 mph is a
    quite respectable average speed for those riding conditions.

    By way of comparison, I completed the Markleeville Death Ride
    (www.deathride.com) back in July - 129 miles, and 16,000 feet of climbing
    (117 feet per mile). I estimate I finished around the 25th percentile
    (i.e., before 75% of the riders finished, or abandoned), and my average
    speed was 13.52 mph.

    Bob - ignore Bitter Boy, and keep those pedals turning.

    ~_-*
    ....G/ \G
    http://www.CycliStats.com
    CycliStats - Software for Cyclists

    Quoted message said:


    --
    Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. -- MFW

    "Bob M" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    OK, during the last few weeks of hard riding, I have to eat more carbs.


    I

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    ate pasta (dinner at fiancee's house) on Wednesday night, then had fruit
    and brown/wild rice (mixture) Thursday, fruit and very thin crust (1/8
    inch or less) pizza (no cheese) Friday, and had the best rides on


    Thursday

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    (my "easy" ride) and Saturday (my long ride) I've had in a long, long
    time. During Saturday's ride, I actually was cruising on some


    downhills,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    whereas for the last two weekends, I've been unable to put out any power
    on those same downhills. I plan on eating fruit and brown/wild rice
    mixture daily for the next several weeks. I've also changed what I'm
    eating for the long ride. Instead of taking a drink of protein and


    carbs,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    last weekend, I had a power-type bar (30g carbs). This weekend, I not
    only had a bar but I also took about 20 g of maltodextrin. I did that
    because the hardest part of my ride occurs in the first 20 miles of the
    ride, so I'd like to have the carbs then. I had one bar (270 cals and


    30g

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    carbs) for the ride. I had several drinks of whey protein/maltodextrin
    during the ride, one drink of just maltodextrin during the ride. My
    stomach was growling, and unlike Pat, I don't like that. So, before my
    last set of hills on the way home, I ate some protein/maltodextrin. I
    took about 130 ounces of water with me and drank it all (and wanted
    more). I've been putting some lite salt in my powders to try and


    prevent

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    cramps. I've also been trying to take magnesium pills for a fews days
    before long rides. Luckily, it wasn't that hot during this ride, until
    the end of the ride.

    My next three rides are as follows: 90, 100, 100/125 (where I'll ride
    either 100 or 125 miles for my last long ride of the season). Here's


    the

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    data from this weekend's ride:

    Length: 75.4 miles
    Time: 6:27:10
    Avg. HR: 149 (80% of Max. HR of 186)
    Highest HR: 170 (91% of Max. HR of 186) -- don't know why I didn't go
    higher; I rode basically the same hills as last weekend

    Total elevation gained: 5659 feet
    Avg. speed: 12.4 mph (calculated while moving - I stopped at least 4
    times)
    Max. speed: 47.3 mph
    Calories burnt: 5915 (according to HR monitor)

    According to the data, I spent zero percent of the time above 170 bpm,
    spent 25.8% of the time between 161-170 bpm, and spent 31.6% of the time
    between 151-160 bpm. I'm not sure why my HR was so low -- I had no time
    above 170? Yet last weekend, I spent 19.7% of the time at or above 171
    bpm? Last weekend, I basically rode in the rain, whereas this weekend,


    it

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    was cool and did not rain at all. Nonetheless, the ride is the same for
    62 miles. I don't get it.

    Anyway, while I won't be transferring to my pre-low-carb diet of oats


    for

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    breakfast, pasta for lunch, and brown rice and beans for dinner (with


    rice

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    cakes for snack), I am going to add more fruit and brown rice for the


    next

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    few weeks. Without adding more carbs in, I don't seem to be able to
    recuperate.

    --
    Bob M
    remove ".x" to reply

  5. "GaryG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    "JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    No, you didn't have to eat more carbs.

    True...but, only if he doesn't want to maximize his performance and hasten
    his recovery.

    He's been posting like this at least as far back as '02, with very little
    progress to show for it.

    Obviously, taking in the extra carbs isn't helping his performance or his
    weight.

  6. "JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    "GaryG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    No, you didn't have to eat more carbs.

    True...but, only if he doesn't want to maximize his performance and


    hasten

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    his recovery.

    He's been posting like this at least as far back as '02, with very little
    progress to show for it.

    Obviously, taking in the extra carbs isn't helping his performance or his
    weight.

    And you, obviously, don't know diddly about cycling performance.

    To reiterate the parts you snipped: 12.4 mph average speed, in mountainous
    terrain, is a respectable pace. It clearly won't win a race, but
    maintaining that kind of speed for 75 miles in the mountains is an
    unambiguous measure of aerobic fitness and endurance.

    BTW, since you claim to be an expert in this arena, perhaps you'd care to
    share some of your own cycling results with us. We'd all like to know how
    fast you rode on your most recent 75 mile ride (and whether or not your bike
    sports the purple or the pink flowered basket on the handlebars).

    GG

  7. Did you notice that this is alt.support.diet.low-carb?

    Of course not.

    Do you know anything about low carb dieting?

    Of course not.

    Why?
    --
    You take stupid to a new level. -- MFW

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    "GaryG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    > No, you didn't have to eat more carbs.

    True...but, only if he doesn't want to maximize his performance and


    hasten

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    his recovery.

    He's been posting like this at least as far back as '02, with very little
    progress to show for it.

    Obviously, taking in the extra carbs isn't helping his performance or his
    weight.

    And you, obviously, don't know diddly about cycling performance.

    To reiterate the parts you snipped: 12.4 mph average speed, in mountainous
    terrain, is a respectable pace. It clearly won't win a race, but
    maintaining that kind of speed for 75 miles in the mountains is an
    unambiguous measure of aerobic fitness and endurance.

    BTW, since you claim to be an expert in this arena, perhaps you'd care to
    share some of your own cycling results with us. We'd all like to know how
    fast you rode on your most recent 75 mile ride (and whether or not your
    bike
    sports the purple or the pink flowered basket on the handlebars).

    GG

  8. "JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Did you notice that this is alt.support.diet.low-carb?

    Sure...but this thread was about cycling performance.

    Quoted message said:

    Do you know anything about low carb dieting?

    Most authorities on the subject are in agreement that low carb is
    incompatible with endurance-oriented athletic endeavors...at least, it's
    incompatible with higher levels of performance.

    Activities like cycling, running, cross-country skiing, etc. are very
    time-efficient ways to burn a lot of calories (which is why most endurance
    athletes are typically thin to begin with). Combined with the body's needs
    for glycogen to fuel higher intensity levels, low carbing is not generally
    recommended for endurance athletes - it's essentially depriving the body of
    the primary fuel source required for endurance activities.

    This isn't to say that low carb diets are not useful...for many people, a
    low carb diet is a valid way of reducing caloric intake and achieving a
    calorie deficit. But, for folks who spend much time running, cycling, etc.,
    it simply doesn't make much sense.

    If you have any links to scientific studies in which low-carbing endurance
    athletes were studied, please post them. Likewise, if you have any links to
    cycling or running coaches who advocate low-carbing for their athletes.

    ~_-*
    ....G/ \G
    http://www.CycliStats.com
    CycliStats - Software for Cyclists

    Quoted message said:

    --
    You take smart to a new level. -- MFW

    "GaryG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "GaryG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    > "JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    >> No, you didn't have to eat more carbs.
    >
    > True...but, only if he doesn't want to maximize his performance and


    hasten

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    > his recovery.
    >

    He's been posting like this at least as far back as '02, with very


    little

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    Quoted message said:

    progress to show for it.

    Obviously, taking in the extra carbs isn't helping his performance or


    his

    Quoted message said:
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    Quoted message said:

    weight.

    And you, obviously, don't know diddly about cycling performance.

    To reiterate the parts you snipped: 12.4 mph average speed, in


    mountainous

    Quoted message said:
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    terrain, is a respectable pace. It clearly won't win a race, but
    maintaining that kind of speed for 75 miles in the mountains is an
    unambiguous measure of aerobic fitness and endurance.

    BTW, since you claim to be an expert in this arena, perhaps you'd care


    to

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    share some of your own cycling results with us. We'd all like to know


    how

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    fast you rode on your most recent 75 mile ride (and whether or not your
    bike
    sports the purple or the pink flowered basket on the handlebars).

    GG

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    "JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Did you notice that this is alt.support.diet.low-carb?

    Sure...but this thread was about cycling performance.

    Which newsgroup was this again?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Do you know anything about low carb dieting?

    Most authorities on the subject are in agreement that low carb is
    incompatible with endurance-oriented athletic endeavors...at least, it's
    incompatible with higher levels of performance.

    Uh... exactly?

    Perhaps Bobby should lose some weight using a low carb diet, and then his
    performance would improve.

    In any case, what he's been trying to do for over 3 years now is not working
    and has never worked for him.

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    "GaryG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Did you notice that this is alt.support.diet.low-carb?

    Sure...but this thread was about cycling performance.

    Which newsgroup was this again?

    Sorry if my posts disturb you JC...perhaps you'd be more comfortable in a
    moderated group.

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Do you know anything about low carb dieting?

    Most authorities on the subject are in agreement that low carb is
    incompatible with endurance-oriented athletic endeavors...at least, it's
    incompatible with higher levels of performance.

    Perhaps Bobby should lose some weight using a low carb diet, and then his
    performance would improve.

    There are many paths to achieving a caloric deficit (the only way to lose
    weight). For some folks, it's low carb. For others, eating a more
    "balanced" diet and incorporating endurance exercise activities into their
    lifestyle does the trick. FWIW, I know a lot of thin, hard-bodied men and
    women who ride and run a lot, and none of them use low carb to maintain
    their weight.

    So, perhaps Bob is now on the right path, after attempting low carb and not
    finding success. If one path doesn't work, try another. This is
    particularly important if the other path increases your cardiovascular
    fitness, and gives you joy (something Bob seems to have found with cycling,
    and something that seems distinctly lacking in your posts).

    Quoted message said:


    In any case, what he's been trying to do for over 3 years now is not


    working

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    and has never worked for him.

    I guess that depends on your definition of "worked"...being able to ride a
    bike at a respectable speed for 75 miles, in the mountains, sounds like it's
    working reasonably well for him from a fitness perspective.

    GG
    http://www.WeightWare.com
    Computer-Assisted Weight Management

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  11. This group is called alt.support.diet.low-carb.

    That is why discussions of fitness and diet are centered around a low carb
    diet here.

    Obviously this is beyond your comprehension.

    --
    You take stupid to a new level. -- MFW

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    "JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    > Did you notice that this is alt.support.diet.low-carb?

    Sure...but this thread was about cycling performance.

    Which newsgroup was this again?

    Sorry if my posts disturb you JC...perhaps you'd be more comfortable in a
    moderated group.

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    > Do you know anything about low carb dieting?

    Most authorities on the subject are in agreement that low carb is
    incompatible with endurance-oriented athletic endeavors...at least,
    it's
    incompatible with higher levels of performance.

    Perhaps Bobby should lose some weight using a low carb diet, and then his
    performance would improve.

    There are many paths to achieving a caloric deficit (the only way to lose
    weight). For some folks, it's low carb. For others, eating a more
    "balanced" diet and incorporating endurance exercise activities into their
    lifestyle does the trick. FWIW, I know a lot of thin, hard-bodied men and
    women who ride and run a lot, and none of them use low carb to maintain
    their weight.

    So, perhaps Bob is now on the right path, after attempting low carb and
    not
    finding success. If one path doesn't work, try another. This is
    particularly important if the other path increases your cardiovascular
    fitness, and gives you joy (something Bob seems to have found with
    cycling,
    and something that seems distinctly lacking in your posts).

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    In any case, what he's been trying to do for over 3 years now is not


    working

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    and has never worked for him.

    I guess that depends on your definition of "worked"...being able to ride a
    bike at a respectable speed for 75 miles, in the mountains, sounds like
    it's
    working reasonably well for him from a fitness perspective.

    GG
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    Computer-Assisted Weight Management

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  12. JC Der Koenig said:

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    No, you didn't have to eat more carbs.

    True...but, only if he doesn't want to maximize his performance and hasten
    his recovery.

    He's been posting like this at least as far back as '02, with very little
    progress to show for it.

    <snip>

    Some of us are slower learners than others .....

  13. "jbuch" <jbuch@CUT_HERE.revealed.net> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    JC Der Koenig said:

    "GaryG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    "JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    >No, you didn't have to eat more carbs.

    True...but, only if he doesn't want to maximize his performance and
    hasten
    his recovery.

    He's been posting like this at least as far back as '02, with very little
    progress to show for it.

    <snip>

    Some of us are slower learners than others .....

    If he's going to figure this out before he dies, he better step it up a
    little.

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