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  1. Well it's finally arrived and well chuffed I am with it too. Amazing
    number of features packed into it. Okay, it's probably not essential
    for a GPS to have a stopwatch, alarm clock, calculator and so one, but
    it doesn't hurt to have them, they may come in useful, and they're a lot
    more potentially useful than those stupid games.

    And the colour! I know it shouldn't really make much difference but it
    does! It looks so cool compared to the drab low res black and white
    screen I've been looking at for the past five years. You have a choice
    of colour schemes and it automatically switches to a night time colour
    scheme when it gets dark. Rather useful that, especially when using it
    in a car at night. Oh yes, I bought a dash mount and cigarette lighter
    adapter for the car. Car nav wasn't my main reason for buying it of
    course, but if it has the capability I may as well make use of it.

    Can't make full use of the auto-routing yet, still wondering whether to
    splash out on one of these new CitySelect CDs - inbuilt auto-routing,
    automatic recalculation if you take a wrong turn, plus locking to road
    and instructions at each junction (might come in useful if I ever leave
    Wales!) I did try following a route in the car which was very
    interesting. It didn't lock to the roads and I had to plot a route the
    old fashioned way, but it did show off a rather clever new feature - 10
    seconds before you arrive at a junction it switches to a stationary
    close up view of the junction with directions for which way to turn and
    the position arrow (which normally stays in the same place on the
    screen) moves up from the bottom of the screen and through the junction,
    then it switches back to whatever screen you were using before. Quite
    clever.

    As for the accuracy and lock strength, I can't say that I can see any
    real difference between it and the GPS12. Presumaby this will change
    when Egnos comes online. The altimeter is good fun though. Not as
    stable as I'd hoped, but then I haven't yet used it anywhere with a
    really clear sky view.

    I did take it for a quick trip down to my local reference trig point at
    Blackpill...

    SS 62171 90903, 10m (official OS grid ref converted from WGS84 using
    OziExplorer)

    ....and got the following results;

    SS 62171 90905, 10.0m (60CS - barometric)
    SS 62170 90904, 13.1m (60CS - average of 200 samples - EPE 4.4m)
    SS 62171 90904, 11.9m (60CS - average of 100 samples - EPE 5.0m)
    SS 62171 90905 (GPS12 - long average)

    As usual, very accurate results were obtained, the horizontal
    coordinates being no more than 2m out, in spite of the EPE suggesting a
    much larger error. The GPS12 performed just as well in the horizontal
    department.

    What I was most interested in of course was the altitude (it always
    reads 10-15m too high with the GPS12). Annoyingly the GPS only displays
    the altitude rounded to the nearest metre, even though it saves the
    waypoint with one decimal place. In the case of normal (barometric)
    waypoints, they are all rounded to the nearest metre, but if you average
    the waypoint it averages the GPS altitude and thus you get a fraction as
    well.

    At first glance the barometer seems to have given the best result,
    having had about 20 mins to settle down before reaching the trig
    (accurately calibrated after switching it on), but the reading was taken
    from the top of the trig so you have to subtract roughly a metre, thus
    it's one metre too low. That puts the two averaged waypoints at 12.1m
    and 10.9m, just one or two metres over. Why the barometer should be
    reading lower than the GPS altitude I don't know. I thought the autocal
    would have settled within 20 mins after starting with a spot on
    calibration (determined earlier in the day with a very long averaging
    session - the result corresponding to what I'd always believed from the
    contours).

    Anyway, all of the altitude readings were within 2m of the actual
    altitude, which I'm quite happy with. I could be picky and complain,
    but it's way better than the GPS12 and should be even better when EGNOS
    comes into force.

    Anyway. Great unit, thoroughly recommended. Light years ahead of older
    models. And no problems with the battery compartment so far.

    Paul
    --
    http://www.wilderness-wales.co.uk
    http://www.wildwales.fsnet.co.uk
    http://www.photosig.com/go/users/userphotos?id=118749

  2. Paul Saunders said:

    Well it's finally arrived and well chuffed I am with it too.

    Knowing your insatiable appetite for trackpoints etc I'm surprised you
    didn't choose the 76CS with its bigger memory ?

    --
    Boo

  3. "Paul Saunders" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Well it's finally arrived and well chuffed I am with it too. Amazing
    number of features packed into it. Okay, it's probably not essential
    for a GPS to have a stopwatch, alarm clock, calculator and so one, but
    it doesn't hurt to have them, they may come in useful, and they're a lot
    more potentially useful than those stupid games.

    Hi, Glad you like it. I am pleased with my 60C, and yes the colour is


    good. It would appear that auto routing is reasonable with the City Select
    pack, but that is only available in the UK with the (2) car mounts and
    cables etc as an automotive kit, and even then at around £206.00. You may
    be able to get it from the US cheaper!!
    Can't comment on the elevation info, I used to like my old Summit and Vista
    for that but did not use it much. The 60c still has GPS elevation data but
    no graphical display.
    I have not had any battery problems (2200mh Ansmann Nimh cells) as they are
    quite large. The are ok for two good days walking, but nowhere near the
    30hrs shown. Garmin do a fix for loose batteries.
    The automatic enlarged junction view can be turned off (it can be a bit of a
    pain when walking).
    Signal strength is better than my old Vista, (it will normally work in my
    pocket) but it does drop its signal at odd times for no good reason ( laid
    on a bench, face up whilst having my lunch).
    I have put a PDA screen protector (Belkin Palm Zire) on mine to try to save
    the screen from scratches.
    Not sure if you have found the track log colour tab on the track setup page,
    something added after the manual was written, although the colour does
    sometime revert to black or transparent when you do a software update.
    Regards
    Joe

  4. "Paul Saunders" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...
    | Well it's finally arrived and well chuffed I am with it too. Amazing
    | number of features packed into it. Okay, it's probably not essential
    | for a GPS to have a stopwatch, alarm clock, calculator and so one, but
    | it doesn't hurt to have them, they may come in useful, and they're a lot
    | more potentially useful than those stupid games.
    |
    | And the colour! I know it shouldn't really make much difference but it
    | does! It looks so cool compared to the drab low res black and white
    | screen I've been looking at for the past five years. You have a choice
    | of colour schemes and it automatically switches to a night time colour
    | scheme when it gets dark. Rather useful that, especially when using it
    | in a car at night. Oh yes, I bought a dash mount and cigarette lighter
    | adapter for the car. Car nav wasn't my main reason for buying it of
    | course, but if it has the capability I may as well make use of it.

    <snip>

    | Paul

    I don't know, boys and their toys... :-P

    I'm really surprised that you haven't got a mobile phone Paul! :-)

    Ste

  5. [email hidden] said...

    Quoted message said:

    I don't know, boys and their toys... :-P

    I'm really surprised that you haven't got a mobile phone Paul! :-)


    He has! He got one for Christmas :-)
    --
    Fran
    If you need my email address please ask.

  6. "Fran" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...
    | [email hidden] said...
    | > I don't know, boys and their toys... :-P
    | >
    | > I'm really surprised that you haven't got a mobile phone Paul! :-)
    | >
    | He has! He got one for Christmas :-)
    | --
    | Fran

    Just as I expected! :-)

    Ho ho ho! ;-)

    Ste

  7. Boo said:

    Knowing your insatiable appetite for trackpoints etc I'm surprised you
    didn't choose the 76CS with its bigger memory ?

    I was orginally going to get the 76CS but changed my mind for a number
    of reasons, size being one of them.

    Although it has more memory, the track point numbers are the same. The
    memory only affects the maps you load into it.

    Paul
    --
    http://www.wilderness-wales.co.uk
    http://www.wildwales.fsnet.co.uk
    http://www.photosig.com/go/users/userphotos?id=118749

  8. Joe said:

    Hi, Glad you like it. I am pleased with my 60C, and yes the colour is
    good. It would appear that auto routing is reasonable with the City
    Select pack, but that is only available in the UK with the (2) car
    mounts and cables etc as an automotive kit, and even then at around
    £206.00. You may be able to get it from the US cheaper!!

    I think GPS Warehouse are offering it for £158 or thereabouts. I just
    bought the other stuff off them, not the CD. Not entirely convinced
    that I really need it. I already have an older Mapsource CD which gives
    me all the roads, but not autorouting.

    Quoted message said:

    Can't comment on the elevation info, I used to like my old Summit and
    Vista for that but did not use it much. The 60c still has GPS
    elevation data but no graphical display.

    The barometer is pretty cool. I've had it in stationary barometer mode
    for the last 24 hours and it's recorded a nice baro graph. Pressure has
    increased from 1017mb yesterday to 1025mb at the moment. The weather
    seems to be getting better.

    Quoted message said:

    I have not had any battery problems

    Nor me.

    Quoted message said:

    Signal strength is better than my old Vista,

    Doesn't seem much different to my GPS12, which was always good in
    forests for example.

    Quoted message said:

    but it does drop its signal at odd times for no good
    reason ( laid on a bench, face up whilst having my lunch).

    Well there's your good reason! It's designed to be used upright, not
    face up. Face up is for eTrexes, this one uses a quad-helix aerial that
    works best in the upright position.

    Quoted message said:

    I have put a PDA screen protector (Belkin Palm Zire) on mine to try
    to save the screen from scratches.
    Not sure if you have found the track log colour tab on the track
    setup page,

    Yep, I've been using that already as a way off adding my own simple
    mapping detail. Unfortunately, anything loaded into a saved track slot
    is shown as a continous track, breaks are not shown, so it's not good
    for showing discontinous areas of detail like contour lines for example.
    Pain in the butt.

    Paul
    --
    http://www.wilderness-wales.co.uk
    http://www.wildwales.fsnet.co.uk
    http://www.photosig.com/go/users/userphotos?id=118749

  9. ste© said:

    I don't know, boys and their toys... :-P

    Men and their multi-billion dollar hardware! :-)

    Quoted message said:

    I'm really surprised that you haven't got a mobile phone Paul! :-)

    I have. I hate it. Hardly ever use it.

    Might be a good thing to leave behind when I'm doing ultra lightweight
    camping...

    Paul
    --
    http://www.wilderness-wales.co.uk
    http://www.wildwales.fsnet.co.uk
    http://www.photosig.com/go/users/userphotos?id=118749

  10. "Paul Saunders" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...
    | ste© wrote:
    |
    | > I don't know, boys and their toys... :-P
    |
    | Men and their multi-billion dollar hardware! :-)

    Really, I didn't realise your GPS cost that much! ;-)

    | > I'm really surprised that you haven't got a mobile phone Paul! :-)
    |
    | I have. I hate it. Hardly ever use it.

    Maybe it hasn't got enough toys on it to keep you happy! :-)

    | Might be a good thing to leave behind when I'm doing ultra lightweight
    | camping...

    My phone only weighs about 80g, and fits in a shirt pocket no problem. Your
    idea of ultra lightweight camping is to *only* carry one camera and a few
    lenses, a few kilos in total - all on that waist belt no doubt! :-)

    | Paul

    Ste

  11. ste© said:

    Really, I didn't realise your GPS cost that much! ;-)

    You should see the hole in my credit card!

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I'm really surprised that you haven't got a mobile phone Paul! :-)

    I have. I hate it. Hardly ever use it.

    Maybe it hasn't got enough toys on it to keep you happy! :-)

    Pretty useless actually. All it does is annoy me when people phone me
    up.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Might be a good thing to leave behind when I'm doing ultra
    lightweight camping...

    My phone only weighs about 80g,

    Mine weighs 120g. You don't think I'd spash out on a new one do you?
    Maybe I should get a newer one, then I could save less weight by leaving
    it behind.

    Quoted message said:

    Your idea of ultra lightweight camping is to *only* carry
    one camera and a few lenses, a few kilos in total

    930g - Canon 300D & 18-55mm lens, lens hood, battery, flash card &
    tripod mount
    565g - Camera bag & accessories (2 spare batteries, flash cards, silica
    gel, camera remote, lens cleaner)
    310g - Sigma 55-210mm lens
    79g - polariser & infrared filter
    535g - Lightweight tripod
    144g - Belt

    Total 2.563 kilograms. Not bad at all for a complete ultralightweight
    SLR camera outfit.

    Once I can afford them, I'll be using decent lenses instead. That will
    up the weight a bit.

    Paul
    --
    http://www.wilderness-wales.co.uk
    http://www.wildwales.fsnet.co.uk
    http://www.photosig.com/go/users/userphotos?id=118749

  12. In article <[email hidden]>, Paul Saunders
    <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I'm really surprised that you haven't got a mobile phone Paul! :-)

    I have. I hate it. Hardly ever use it.

    Tell me about it !

    I have tried phoning you several times on your mobile when you are using
    the Internet - Switch the damned thing on or get Broadband :-)
    --
    Bill Grey
    http://www.billboy.co.uk

  13. In article <[email hidden]>, Paul Saunders
    <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    Really, I didn't realise your GPS cost that much! ;-)

    You should see the hole in my credit card!

    f1.2

    --
    Bill Grey
    http://www.billboy.co.uk

  14. W. D. Grey said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, Paul Saunders
    <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I'm really surprised that you haven't got a mobile phone Paul! :-)

    I have. I hate it. Hardly ever use it.

    Tell me about it !

    I have tried phoning you several times on your mobile when you are using
    the Internet - Switch the damned thing on or get Broadband :-)

    The best thing for all those who don't want the immediate
    intrusiveness of being phoned on their mobile is to get people to text
    them. All the convenience of email - and the ability to choose
    whether/when to answer.

    --

    Paul

    (Watch this space)

  15. W. D. Grey <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, Paul Saunders
    <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I'm really surprised that you haven't got a mobile phone Paul! :-)

    I have. I hate it. Hardly ever use it.

    Tell me about it !

    I have tried phoning you several times on your mobile when you are using
    the Internet - Switch the damned thing on or get Broadband :-)

    You sound just like my girl friend, Bill, she is always saying the same
    thing to me!

    Seriously, there is no point in owning a moby if you don't have it
    switched on when you are out and about.

    (That assumes that you have people who you wish to be able to contact
    you, if you are a hermit you don't need a moby).
    --
    Gordon

  16. Paul Rooney <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:
    W. D. Grey said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, Paul Saunders
    <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:

    > I'm really surprised that you haven't got a mobile phone Paul! :-)

    I have. I hate it. Hardly ever use it.

    Tell me about it !

    I have tried phoning you several times on your mobile when you are using
    the Internet - Switch the damned thing on or get Broadband :-)

    The best thing for all those who don't want the immediate
    intrusiveness of being phoned on their mobile is to get people to text
    them. All the convenience of email - and the ability to choose
    whether/when to answer.


    That's how I keep in touch with my family.

    Often it's simply: "Arrived safely".

    It's very useful, but it's a pain that the phones we have are not
    compatible between the US and UK, as my 'other' daughter is over from CA
    and swanning around the UK.

    Daughter and I have 'hands free' set-ups, so it was useful on family
    trip to see some old friends the other day in two cars.
    --
    Gordon

  17. "Paul Saunders" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...
    | ste© wrote:
    |
    | > Really, I didn't realise your GPS cost that much! ;-)
    |
    | You should see the hole in my credit card!
    |
    | >>> I'm really surprised that you haven't got a mobile phone Paul! :-)
    | >>
    | >> I have. I hate it. Hardly ever use it.
    | >
    | > Maybe it hasn't got enough toys on it to keep you happy! :-)
    |
    | Pretty useless actually. All it does is annoy me when people phone me
    | up.

    How come you got one then? Just put it on vibrate, or do what Gordon said,
    and get them to text you.

    | >> Might be a good thing to leave behind when I'm doing ultra
    | >> lightweight camping...
    | >
    | > My phone only weighs about 80g,
    |
    | Mine weighs 120g. You don't think I'd spash out on a new one do you?
    | Maybe I should get a newer one, then I could save less weight by leaving
    | it behind.

    You must have more money than sense then! :-)

    | > Your idea of ultra lightweight camping is to *only* carry
    | > one camera and a few lenses, a few kilos in total
    |
    | 930g - Canon 300D & 18-55mm lens, lens hood, battery, flash card &
    | tripod mount
    | 565g - Camera bag & accessories (2 spare batteries, flash cards, silica
    | gel, camera remote, lens cleaner)
    | 310g - Sigma 55-210mm lens
    | 79g - polariser & infrared filter
    | 535g - Lightweight tripod
    | 144g - Belt
    |
    | Total 2.563 kilograms. Not bad at all for a complete ultralightweight
    | SLR camera outfit.

    Hopefully that's what my 'normal' D-SLR outfit will be like in the next
    year. :-S

    And speaking of polarisers, my polariser is [censored], as I can hardly tell the
    difference between it being on and off, even when I'm in the ideal
    conditions, with the camera 90 degrees to the sun or whatever. Can you get
    different strength polarisers? I've got a Cokin A series one, and I'm not
    impressed with it. I've seen pro photos that have a very deep and dark blue
    sky, but I could never get anything like that with this one. :-(

    | Once I can afford them, I'll be using decent lenses instead. That will
    | up the weight a bit.

    Just sell you phone and new GPS and get them now! ;-)

    | Paul

    Ste

  18. In article <[email hidden]>, Paul Saunders
    <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:

    535g - Lightweight tripod

    Interesting, which one and where from?

    --

    Dominic Sexton
    http://www.dscs.demon.co.uk/

  19. In article <[email hidden]>, Gordon
    <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:

    You sound just like my girl friend, Bill, she is always saying the same
    thing to me!

    Seriously, there is no point in owning a moby if you don't have it
    switched on when you are out and about.

    or In and about !

    --
    Bill Grey
    http://www.billboy.co.uk

  20. "Dominic Sexton" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...
    | In article <[email hidden]>, Paul Saunders
    | <[email hidden]> writes
    | >535g - Lightweight tripod
    |
    | Interesting, which one and where from?
    |
    | --
    |
    | Dominic Sexton

    Not sure if mine is the same or not (probably not), but I recently bought a
    £17.99 tripod from Jessops, their own brand Atlantic Alfa 3QR. It weighs in
    about 0.6kg I think.

    Ste

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